WWE already souring on Orton as champ!
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ThePeoplesChampion
Getting Noticed By Management
Why is everyone so shocked bout the low rating? Im a huge Orton fan but it would be the same as Sheamus or Cena or anyone else winning....Monday Night Football is here and of coarse there gonna take ratings with them... one of the most storied team in football the 49ers vs. the defending champs Saints and add that it was a good game. And people guess what the biggest rivalry in Football DA BEARS!!! vs Green Bay (for you foreigners or people not familiar with football...Bears vs. Packers is WWE's Austin vs. McMahon) as long as Monday Night Football has amazing games people are going to change the channel (me included....my bears trump wrestling anyday!) 1. Give Orton a shot he been doing quite well. 2. Wait till a team without a Manning, Brady or is not from Chicago, New York, New England or Dallas is in a Monday game and ratings will go up again people....its quite simple
I'm a fan of Orton's work, but as a good guy....I don't see him as a champion. I don't know what it is but I just don't see him as champion when he's a good guy. (I was saying this weeks before the paper view started to my bro.) I do believe that Sheamus should have kept the title so that it would make him look that much better.
It's just so unbelievable how he looks and how he is able to beat up the whole Nexus.
It's just so unbelievable how he looks and how he is able to beat up the whole Nexus.
I personally don't mind Orton as champ but like someone else said, Orton and Cena don't NEED the belt to get over. I think the smart thing, or at least what I would have done, would have been to put the title on Barrett or keep it on Sheamus. My reasons are that I feel that it was a huge mistake for WWE to have Cena defeat Nexus at Summerslam just when their momentum was going well. I would have had Barrett become champ to correct this and maintain Nexus' air of dominance.
Also, I have really grown to like Sheamus over the last while. He is the real deal. That's my only reason for that.
I also would have liked to have seen Jericho win.
Also, I have really grown to like Sheamus over the last while. He is the real deal. That's my only reason for that.
I also would have liked to have seen Jericho win.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
The interesting thing about Orton is how long he has been at the top without becoming a draw. Orton seems to have all the tools, and the spot, but it has never really reached that next level. For a long time I thought it was misuse by those booking him but at this point I am not sure what to think. It may have been he was too dedicated to being the traditional heel in an era where that art is lost on the masses. I always thought he was miscast as a heel anyway, although his off screen persona might have been an issue in other roles. Ironically it might be the lack of credible heels that hurts Randy here. There are not many guys to have matches with that are not obvious outcome scenarios.
ForeverRKO
Pre-Show Stalwart
People just wanna see john cena with the title .. orton's viper gimmick has been the best gimmick since he came into the wwe .. he had the best fueds ( orton vs triple h ) ( orton vs cena ) ( legacy vs dx ) .. i think if triple h was still around orton would be a great champion .. he'll push everyone he fueds with .. people knows he's a threat now by himself so they dont wanna see him with the title cuz it'll be like cena .. he'll lose the best like 4 times within a years title reign .
sheamus was boring as champion , if barrett gets the title .. cena will take it and it'll be another cena reign AGAIN .. which we dont wanna see .. orton is the only guy they can give the title to .
sheamus was boring as champion , if barrett gets the title .. cena will take it and it'll be another cena reign AGAIN .. which we dont wanna see .. orton is the only guy they can give the title to .
ForeverRKO
Pre-Show Stalwart
Its not even about orton gettin put over , its about MONEY , i believe the wwe notice that john cena is losing alot of fans , his movies dont sale , kids cheer for him but kids aint the ones buying the tickets to shows or movies its adult .. orton fans range from age 4 to 100 lol his fanbase is bigger than cena .. which if he was champ he would get more attention .. they using orton to make money since he's the only one with a bigger fanbase than cena .
ForeverRKO
Pre-Show Stalwart
Sheamus vs cena or sheamus vs orton ? Wow . Come on no , cena got his ass kicked by weak ass sheamus .. he never beat sheamus .. sheamus never beat orton .. orton as champion is perfect .. and orton will feud with nexus eventually when he's done with sheamus .. what if cena loses to barrett and joins nexus .. heel cena vs anti hero orton ? Priceless .
Its funny.. a thread on orton as champ turned into either sheamus bashing or cena bashing. People stick to the subject please. Now I believe it was pretty smart to put the title on Orton cuz of the following reasons:
1. Most over person on raw
2. As a face/tweeter it gives raw a fresh start in terms of rivalries
3. Sheamus wasnt a believable champion and title reign wasnt really that interesting anyway. I think he's getting the edge treatment( Transitional champion)
4. if he didnt win his momentum would have cooled
people complain about everything and so quickly and to point fingers on based on dirt sheets and bias. raw in general was very corny and MNF was the better option at the time. To the posters who mention orton in 2004 i say this. Wwe made him a face far too early with really no build-up and at the time he was just getting into his own as a heel. it was a bad decision but not orton's fault. If we didnt win at NOC and chase the title people would have found another reason to complain saying orton is dominating the title scene. He champ.... let it go.
P.S if cena wins at HIAC.... nexus would be completely buried
1. Most over person on raw
2. As a face/tweeter it gives raw a fresh start in terms of rivalries
3. Sheamus wasnt a believable champion and title reign wasnt really that interesting anyway. I think he's getting the edge treatment( Transitional champion)
4. if he didnt win his momentum would have cooled
people complain about everything and so quickly and to point fingers on based on dirt sheets and bias. raw in general was very corny and MNF was the better option at the time. To the posters who mention orton in 2004 i say this. Wwe made him a face far too early with really no build-up and at the time he was just getting into his own as a heel. it was a bad decision but not orton's fault. If we didnt win at NOC and chase the title people would have found another reason to complain saying orton is dominating the title scene. He champ.... let it go.
P.S if cena wins at HIAC.... nexus would be completely buried
Orton honestly has been on the best role of his career and no one can disagree with that. My thing is that he really deserves this title at this time and you never know sheamus could be booked to win the wwe title back at hell in a cell. I'm not sayin he should have a long reign like five months but atleast through survivor series and have him conflict with someone else. As far as sheamus bein champion goes my thing is he's been in the title hunt or champ to long. So if he does lose what is he gonna do? u.s title? they kinda made him too dominate and when triple h comes back and does what he needs to do sheamus will be out of a rivalry unless WWE can come up with somethin. But orton deserves this and everybody says well this perspn should've won no. If orton didn't win alot of us would've been like wtf and we all know that
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
Randy Orton just needs to have good exciting feud and everything will be alright. I think that him only being World Champion for a few days and people complaining is too over the top. Orton not to blame for RAW poor rating on monday...infact its other superstars fault...plus MNF was on and other tv shows premieres.
The Bears Vs. Packers is more like Tito Santana Vs. Rick Martel!
Anyway...
I think they decided to give him the title because he was on such a roll and to be a transitional champ... I truly believe he will lose the belt in the next month or so... I think The Miz or Wade Barrett will capture the title in the next 30 days. 60 days, by Survivor Series at the latest.
I don't think it hurts Sheamus. Sure anyone would rather be the world champion. But, now Sheamus will be able to move on to other feuds and hopefully other storylines to get him over.
Sheamus will be free to fued with Triple H now. I would rather have Orton as the champ, then Triple H comes back while Sheamus is champ. And then take the title.
I thought the guy that really should have won is Barrett. This would have been a perfect time to give it to him. That way he could have a solid 6 month reign and lose it before Mania. Then have 2 bigger names Main Event the show.
It could have made for a credible run. Then maybe Miz takes it a month or so before Mania.
Anyway...
I think they decided to give him the title because he was on such a roll and to be a transitional champ... I truly believe he will lose the belt in the next month or so... I think The Miz or Wade Barrett will capture the title in the next 30 days. 60 days, by Survivor Series at the latest.
I don't think it hurts Sheamus. Sure anyone would rather be the world champion. But, now Sheamus will be able to move on to other feuds and hopefully other storylines to get him over.
Sheamus will be free to fued with Triple H now. I would rather have Orton as the champ, then Triple H comes back while Sheamus is champ. And then take the title.
I thought the guy that really should have won is Barrett. This would have been a perfect time to give it to him. That way he could have a solid 6 month reign and lose it before Mania. Then have 2 bigger names Main Event the show.
It could have made for a credible run. Then maybe Miz takes it a month or so before Mania.
goldbergiswrestling
Pre-Show Stalwart
I agree with this, the problem is they are trying to appeal to a new fanbase instead of tryin to keep their old fanbase happy, but they arent doing anything a young man like myself would tune in to see if he wasnt already a wrestling fan. They want to make new children fans however the kids that like WWE already watched it cause they watch it with their parents, maybe not all but most of them.
That's ridiculous. I didn't expect Orton to win at NoC whatsoever. I expected a Cena win and then Miz to cash in the briefcase. That gets Miz his first major title, and for him to say he beat Cena for it. But that didn't happen. Orton won. And you know what... I LOVE IT!
We haven't seen a face Randy Orton in how long? Exactly. So since Edge isn't exactly the face we thought they would make him out to be, we are getting Orton. A bigger face. A younger face. A better face. Yes Orton is a great heel. We know that. But Orton can be a better face than Edge. He IS a better face than Edge. We don't have a major face on Raw right now in the headlining spot unless you count Cena, who people can't stand. Triple H is still out and to be quite honest, I don't care if he comes back. Does anybody really miss Triple H? I mean really? There is a fantastic youth movement in the WWE right now and it's working. Orton is a younger, better face than Edge and Triple H combined. Does Orton need the belt? No. But does anyone else in that 6-man match need it? No. Edge doesn't need it because we've seen heel Edge vs. every one of the faces in the match time and time again. Nobody wants to see Cena with it because Cena has been through it with all of those guys (that are worthy). You can't jusitfy putting it on Wade Barrett yet. He will get there soon enough because that dude knows exactly what to do all the time. He can cut a promo, he's got the look, and he's not stale in the ring. Sheamus can't win clean. He's going to be a transitional champion for the remainder of time unless something drastic changes. Orton is the only one left. And if you couldn't tell by the roar of the crowd when Orton won, people want him as champ. We want Orton as a face. It's going to work and everybody is going to put a foot in their mouths when they see it work. A face Orton is something the WWE needs. It's a change. If you keep Orton as a heel, who is he going to have a program with that you're not going to be totally sick of? Cena? HHH? Wrong. Nobody wants to see that. People bitch about nothing changing in the WWE. Now some major things are changing with Orton as a face, the youth finally getting the pushes they deserve, I foresee Cena turning heel within the next 6 months, and you're going to see the Miz jump up to main event status in that time also. You're getting your change. Quit complaining. Orton as a FACE champion is a good thing. You will see.
We haven't seen a face Randy Orton in how long? Exactly. So since Edge isn't exactly the face we thought they would make him out to be, we are getting Orton. A bigger face. A younger face. A better face. Yes Orton is a great heel. We know that. But Orton can be a better face than Edge. He IS a better face than Edge. We don't have a major face on Raw right now in the headlining spot unless you count Cena, who people can't stand. Triple H is still out and to be quite honest, I don't care if he comes back. Does anybody really miss Triple H? I mean really? There is a fantastic youth movement in the WWE right now and it's working. Orton is a younger, better face than Edge and Triple H combined. Does Orton need the belt? No. But does anyone else in that 6-man match need it? No. Edge doesn't need it because we've seen heel Edge vs. every one of the faces in the match time and time again. Nobody wants to see Cena with it because Cena has been through it with all of those guys (that are worthy). You can't jusitfy putting it on Wade Barrett yet. He will get there soon enough because that dude knows exactly what to do all the time. He can cut a promo, he's got the look, and he's not stale in the ring. Sheamus can't win clean. He's going to be a transitional champion for the remainder of time unless something drastic changes. Orton is the only one left. And if you couldn't tell by the roar of the crowd when Orton won, people want him as champ. We want Orton as a face. It's going to work and everybody is going to put a foot in their mouths when they see it work. A face Orton is something the WWE needs. It's a change. If you keep Orton as a heel, who is he going to have a program with that you're not going to be totally sick of? Cena? HHH? Wrong. Nobody wants to see that. People bitch about nothing changing in the WWE. Now some major things are changing with Orton as a face, the youth finally getting the pushes they deserve, I foresee Cena turning heel within the next 6 months, and you're going to see the Miz jump up to main event status in that time also. You're getting your change. Quit complaining. Orton as a FACE champion is a good thing. You will see.
C.M.Savior
Dark Match Winner
All of these posts on here are proof that the WWE just can not please the IWC.
No matter what they do, people find something to complain about. People think that they know what they want to see and when WWE decides to do something that the people "think" they want, everyone complains about it. Many people complain that Sheamus is not a credible champ and that he does not deserve the belt. They also complain that they dont want to see Cena as the champ anymore. So the WWE decides to give it to Orton; probably the most over and popular star right now who the WWE has been building for weeks now to look the strongest on the roster; and what happens....Everyone complains about it.
The same thing happens when someone has a long title run. People complain when the title changes hands all the time, but when someone has a long run, they complain that it is time for someone else to get the belt or that a ppv was crap because there were no title changes. It seems like there is no pleasing anyone these days!
And for the people making the assumption that due to Orton being the champion Raw had a record low rating, you do not know what you're talking about! They drew a 2.8 people! They've been getting anywhere from 2.9's to 3.4's for a long time now...It's not that big of a dip in the ratings. If you honestly think that one person being the champion single-handedly affacted the ratings then you must be high! The last time any one person single-handedly affected the ratings was probably back when Stone Cold was on every week. He is the only person in recent time that could single-handedly affect the ratings. People would tune it because they wanted to see what he was going to do. The rest Raw could be crap, but as long is Stone Cold was going to be on, people would watch it. It really does not matter who the champion is these days, if Raw has entertaining story lines and superstars, people will watch. Hornswaggle could be the freaking champ and as long as the rest of Raw had entertaining storylines and good matches that fans wanted to see, the people would still watch. Football season just began and that means the Raw is goin up against MNF. Their rating has always been slightly lower than normal when MNF is on. Im sure it will go up and down every week until MNF is done. It happens every year.
With that being said, I still would have liked to see Sheamus have the belt a little longer to have a better run than his past one. He needs to build his credability a lot more than Orton does but the people still are not really behind Sheamus so why not take the belt off of him. Also, there is more money in the chase. I think Orton should have chased the title for a couple more months and then get the title. However, Im not going to complain with the decision to give Orton the built. I have no problem with it once so ever. I mean, who else do you think really deserves the belt right now?! Orton is at the top of his game and is arguably the most over right now. He was going to get the belt sooner or later so what is the difference?! Orton has already been a multiple time champion and has even retained the title at Mania in a triple threat against HHH and Cena. He has already been a top dog and in the spotlight for a long time now so it really didn't matter when he got the belt. He was going to get it anyways and if he would have chased any longer, the fans probably would have eventually gotten tired of it and complained that Orton should already have the belt. When he finally would have won they belt they probably would have said that it was too late and that his match was too predictably because they knew he was going to win!
I just wish people wouldn't be so negative all the time. It is wrestling, just enjoy it for what it is. Do you sit there and pick every negative thing out of a movie or television show? And some people seem to think that they could book the WWE or any other wrestling promotion better than the WWE creative or anyone else. If that was the case then why don't half the people on here go get jobs for WWE, TNA, ROH, or any other wrestling promotion. Im sure it is a lot harder than you think and all the decisions and ideas have other purposes or much bigger purposes than what most people would think about. (or maybey purposes that people wouldn't even think about at all) All the booking and creative ideas do have logic and a purpose behind it. And to all the people who think they are bookers, you are not booking or working for creative for the WWE. You are not them and did not come up with their ideas. Therefore, you do not know what their logic behind the booking is. (unless you can read minds) I know some of the things the WWE does pisses us off and makes us scratch our heads sometimes, but do we really need to point out every little negative thing that we don't like. It is just like someones favorite actor/actress or artist/band. No matter how many great movies that actor/actress has, eventually they are going to have a bad one that you do not like. An artist/band may have many great songs or albums, but eventually they are going to have a bad song or album that you don't really like. If the majority of the stuff is good, why sit there and pick out every little negative aspect of a song or movie that you do not like. I just do not see the fun in that. Enjoy the stuff that you like and cheer or boo the superstarts that you like and hate, but don't point out every flaw that you see. Sometimes I wonder how the IWC can even still watch wrestling with as much negative stuff they write and point out about it. If you can only point out all the neagative stuff, (and lots of it) then why are you still watching it. If you can't find anything good to like or say about it, then just turn it off. It is that simply. People are way to negative about it sometimes. Just sit back and enjoy it.
And one last thing...haha I know I'm kind of venting all of my frustrations here, but this so called "report" of the WWE already souring on Orton is champion...Just because you read a report online that says something does not mean it is true! Im sure there are lots of stuff that gets reported that is true, but there are also lots of stuff that gets reported that is only partially true or not true at all. If you believed everything that you read on internet reports then you would still be waiting for lots of things to happen that havn't happened yet and probably never will because the report was not true. If the WWE is sour on Orton as champ then we will find out soon enough. (probably at HIAC) Until then, lets just sit back and enjoy it for what it is. If he loses the belt, then that will tell us that the WWE felt that he is not right yet for the title. I mean it has only been 3 days since he won the title! I hope he has a long run as champ and crushes everyone that challenges him.
No matter what they do, people find something to complain about. People think that they know what they want to see and when WWE decides to do something that the people "think" they want, everyone complains about it. Many people complain that Sheamus is not a credible champ and that he does not deserve the belt. They also complain that they dont want to see Cena as the champ anymore. So the WWE decides to give it to Orton; probably the most over and popular star right now who the WWE has been building for weeks now to look the strongest on the roster; and what happens....Everyone complains about it.
The same thing happens when someone has a long title run. People complain when the title changes hands all the time, but when someone has a long run, they complain that it is time for someone else to get the belt or that a ppv was crap because there were no title changes. It seems like there is no pleasing anyone these days!
And for the people making the assumption that due to Orton being the champion Raw had a record low rating, you do not know what you're talking about! They drew a 2.8 people! They've been getting anywhere from 2.9's to 3.4's for a long time now...It's not that big of a dip in the ratings. If you honestly think that one person being the champion single-handedly affacted the ratings then you must be high! The last time any one person single-handedly affected the ratings was probably back when Stone Cold was on every week. He is the only person in recent time that could single-handedly affect the ratings. People would tune it because they wanted to see what he was going to do. The rest Raw could be crap, but as long is Stone Cold was going to be on, people would watch it. It really does not matter who the champion is these days, if Raw has entertaining story lines and superstars, people will watch. Hornswaggle could be the freaking champ and as long as the rest of Raw had entertaining storylines and good matches that fans wanted to see, the people would still watch. Football season just began and that means the Raw is goin up against MNF. Their rating has always been slightly lower than normal when MNF is on. Im sure it will go up and down every week until MNF is done. It happens every year.
With that being said, I still would have liked to see Sheamus have the belt a little longer to have a better run than his past one. He needs to build his credability a lot more than Orton does but the people still are not really behind Sheamus so why not take the belt off of him. Also, there is more money in the chase. I think Orton should have chased the title for a couple more months and then get the title. However, Im not going to complain with the decision to give Orton the built. I have no problem with it once so ever. I mean, who else do you think really deserves the belt right now?! Orton is at the top of his game and is arguably the most over right now. He was going to get the belt sooner or later so what is the difference?! Orton has already been a multiple time champion and has even retained the title at Mania in a triple threat against HHH and Cena. He has already been a top dog and in the spotlight for a long time now so it really didn't matter when he got the belt. He was going to get it anyways and if he would have chased any longer, the fans probably would have eventually gotten tired of it and complained that Orton should already have the belt. When he finally would have won they belt they probably would have said that it was too late and that his match was too predictably because they knew he was going to win!
I just wish people wouldn't be so negative all the time. It is wrestling, just enjoy it for what it is. Do you sit there and pick every negative thing out of a movie or television show? And some people seem to think that they could book the WWE or any other wrestling promotion better than the WWE creative or anyone else. If that was the case then why don't half the people on here go get jobs for WWE, TNA, ROH, or any other wrestling promotion. Im sure it is a lot harder than you think and all the decisions and ideas have other purposes or much bigger purposes than what most people would think about. (or maybey purposes that people wouldn't even think about at all) All the booking and creative ideas do have logic and a purpose behind it. And to all the people who think they are bookers, you are not booking or working for creative for the WWE. You are not them and did not come up with their ideas. Therefore, you do not know what their logic behind the booking is. (unless you can read minds) I know some of the things the WWE does pisses us off and makes us scratch our heads sometimes, but do we really need to point out every little negative thing that we don't like. It is just like someones favorite actor/actress or artist/band. No matter how many great movies that actor/actress has, eventually they are going to have a bad one that you do not like. An artist/band may have many great songs or albums, but eventually they are going to have a bad song or album that you don't really like. If the majority of the stuff is good, why sit there and pick out every little negative aspect of a song or movie that you do not like. I just do not see the fun in that. Enjoy the stuff that you like and cheer or boo the superstarts that you like and hate, but don't point out every flaw that you see. Sometimes I wonder how the IWC can even still watch wrestling with as much negative stuff they write and point out about it. If you can only point out all the neagative stuff, (and lots of it) then why are you still watching it. If you can't find anything good to like or say about it, then just turn it off. It is that simply. People are way to negative about it sometimes. Just sit back and enjoy it.
And one last thing...haha I know I'm kind of venting all of my frustrations here, but this so called "report" of the WWE already souring on Orton is champion...Just because you read a report online that says something does not mean it is true! Im sure there are lots of stuff that gets reported that is true, but there are also lots of stuff that gets reported that is only partially true or not true at all. If you believed everything that you read on internet reports then you would still be waiting for lots of things to happen that havn't happened yet and probably never will because the report was not true. If the WWE is sour on Orton as champ then we will find out soon enough. (probably at HIAC) Until then, lets just sit back and enjoy it for what it is. If he loses the belt, then that will tell us that the WWE felt that he is not right yet for the title. I mean it has only been 3 days since he won the title! I hope he has a long run as champ and crushes everyone that challenges him.
Azogan v.2.0
Dark Match Winner
Culdnt agree with you more. Everyone knows if Shemaus was the champ, Triple H was coming back soon enough to take it from him. And i read all the post of people being tired of Cena and Orton being champ. 5 years ago, you people were saying the same thing about HHH. However, i will agree, they could have waited until WrestleMania to put the title on him. I watched NOC, and i to wasnt really "shocked" when he won. It was kinda like "Ok, he won." If anything i was thinking "Man that match was short" But give Orton a break, everyone who has said the low rating is a result of MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL and not Orton, have been watching wrestling for a while and at least on that topic know what they are talking about. RAW will never, NEVER beat Monday Night Football, that is fact. Give Orton a break
CotterHavok
Dark Match Jobber
Jericho is leaving for awhile or forever. This isn't TNA. You don't put the belt on a guy that won't be around.
Edge: is he heel or tweener? Pick a route then MAYBE give him a run. He has beengetting cheered alot lately. Run with it and keep Ryder around with him. Ryder gets sick of his shit grows a pair and hits high mid card with legit wins over Edge.
Cena/Barrett: If WWE does it right he could join Nexus, slowly see thier ways, Barrett gets the belt down the line Cena gets jealous and there is the end of Nexus or a face turn for Barrett and a fresh fued with a heel Cena.
Sheamus: He needs some clean, dominate wins to get over. Have him chase Orton for two months or so losing everytime and getting more and more angry and crazy. Have him beat the tar out of everyone in his way and finally crush Orton. There's your new monster heel.
Orton: Use this championship run to branch out his PG SCSA character on the stick and in the rig then drop the belt and continue to reek havoc. HE doesn't need the belt to get over but he can use it to get others over.
Edge: is he heel or tweener? Pick a route then MAYBE give him a run. He has beengetting cheered alot lately. Run with it and keep Ryder around with him. Ryder gets sick of his shit grows a pair and hits high mid card with legit wins over Edge.
Cena/Barrett: If WWE does it right he could join Nexus, slowly see thier ways, Barrett gets the belt down the line Cena gets jealous and there is the end of Nexus or a face turn for Barrett and a fresh fued with a heel Cena.
Sheamus: He needs some clean, dominate wins to get over. Have him chase Orton for two months or so losing everytime and getting more and more angry and crazy. Have him beat the tar out of everyone in his way and finally crush Orton. There's your new monster heel.
Orton: Use this championship run to branch out his PG SCSA character on the stick and in the rig then drop the belt and continue to reek havoc. HE doesn't need the belt to get over but he can use it to get others over.
C.M.Savior
Dark Match Winner
All of these posts on here are proof that the WWE just can not please the IWC.
No matter what they do, people find something to complain about. People think that they know what they want to see and when WWE decides to do something that the people "think" they want, everyone complains about it. Many people complain that Sheamus is not a credible champ and that he does not deserve the belt. They also complain that they dont want to see Cena as the champ anymore. So the WWE decides to give it to Orton; probably the most over and popular star right now who the WWE has been building for weeks now to look the strongest on the roster; and what happens....Everyone complains about it.
The same thing happens when someone has a long title run. People complain when the title changes hands all the time, but when someone has a long run, they complain that it is time for someone else to get the belt or that a ppv was crap because there were no title changes. It seems like there is no pleasing anyone these days!
And for the people making the assumption that due to Orton being the champion Raw had a record low rating, you do not know what you're talking about! They drew a 2.8 people! They've been getting anywhere from 2.9's to 3.4's for a long time now...It's not that big of a dip in the ratings. If you honestly think that one person being the champion single-handedly affacted the ratings then you must be high! The last time any one person single-handedly affected the ratings was probably back when Stone Cold was on every week. He is the only person in recent time that could single-handedly affect the ratings. People would tune it because they wanted to see what he was going to do. The rest Raw could be crap, but as long is Stone Cold was going to be on, people would watch it. It really does not matter who the champion is these days, if Raw has entertaining story lines and superstars, people will watch. Hornswaggle could be the freaking champ and as long as the rest of Raw had entertaining storylines and good matches that fans wanted to see, the people would still watch. Football season just began and that means the Raw is goin up against MNF. Their rating has always been slightly lower than normal when MNF is on. Im sure it will go up and down every week until MNF is done. It happens every year.
With that being said, I still would have liked to see Sheamus have the belt a little longer to have a better run than his past one. He needs to build his credability a lot more than Orton does but the people still are not really behind Sheamus so why not take the belt off of him. Also, there is more money in the chase. I think Orton should have chased the title for a couple more months and then get the title. However, Im not going to complain with the decision to give Orton the built. I have no problem with it once so ever. I mean, who else do you think really deserves the belt right now?! Orton is at the top of his game and is arguably the most over right now. He was going to get the belt sooner or later so what is the difference?! Orton has already been a multiple time champion and has even retained the title at Mania in a triple threat against HHH and Cena. He has already been a top dog and in the spotlight for a long time now so it really didn't matter when he got the belt. He was going to get it anyways and if he would have chased any longer, the fans probably would have eventually gotten tired of it and complained that Orton should already have the belt. When he finally would have won they belt they probably would have said that it was too late and that his match was too predictably because they knew he was going to win!
I just wish people wouldn't be so negative all the time. It is wrestling, just enjoy it for what it is. Do you sit there and pick every negative thing out of a movie or television show? And some people seem to think that they could book the WWE or any other wrestling promotion better than the WWE creative or anyone else. If that was the case then why don't half the people on here go get jobs for WWE, TNA, ROH, or any other wrestling promotion. Im sure it is a lot harder than you think and all the decisions and ideas have other purposes or much bigger purposes than what most people would think about. (or maybey purposes that people wouldn't even think about at all) All the booking and creative ideas do have logic and a purpose behind it. And to all the people who think they are bookers, you are not booking or working for creative for the WWE. You are not them and did not come up with their ideas. Therefore, you do not know what their logic behind the booking is. (unless you can read minds) I know some of the things the WWE does pisses us off and makes us scratch our heads sometimes, but do we really need to point out every little negative thing that we don't like. It is just like someones favorite actor/actress or artist/band. No matter how many great movies that actor/actress has, eventually they are going to have a bad one that you do not like. An artist/band may have many great songs or albums, but eventually they are going to have a bad song or album that you don't really like. If the majority of the stuff is good, why sit there and pick out every little negative aspect of a song or movie that you do not like. I just do not see the fun in that. Enjoy the stuff that you like and cheer or boo the superstarts that you like and hate, but don't point out every flaw that you see. Sometimes I wonder how the IWC can even still watch wrestling with as much negative stuff they write and point out about it. If you can only point out all the neagative stuff, (and lots of it) then why are you still watching it. If you can't find anything good to like or say about it, then just turn it off. It is that simply. People are way to negative about it sometimes. Just sit back and enjoy it.
And one last thing...haha I know I'm kind of venting all of my frustrations here, but this so called "report" of the WWE already souring on Orton is champion...Just because you read a report online that says something does not mean it is true! Im sure there are lots of stuff that gets reported that is true, but there are also lots of stuff that gets reported that is only partially true or not true at all. If you believed everything that you read on internet reports then you would still be waiting for lots of things to happen that havn't happened yet and probably never will because the report was not true. If the WWE is sour on Orton as champ then we will find out soon enough. (probably at HIAC) Until then, lets just sit back and enjoy it for what it is. If he loses the belt, then that will tell us that the WWE felt that he is not right yet for the title. I mean it has only been 3 days since he won the title! I hope he has a long run as champ and crushes everyone that challenges him.
No matter what they do, people find something to complain about. People think that they know what they want to see and when WWE decides to do something that the people "think" they want, everyone complains about it. Many people complain that Sheamus is not a credible champ and that he does not deserve the belt. They also complain that they dont want to see Cena as the champ anymore. So the WWE decides to give it to Orton; probably the most over and popular star right now who the WWE has been building for weeks now to look the strongest on the roster; and what happens....Everyone complains about it.
The same thing happens when someone has a long title run. People complain when the title changes hands all the time, but when someone has a long run, they complain that it is time for someone else to get the belt or that a ppv was crap because there were no title changes. It seems like there is no pleasing anyone these days!
And for the people making the assumption that due to Orton being the champion Raw had a record low rating, you do not know what you're talking about! They drew a 2.8 people! They've been getting anywhere from 2.9's to 3.4's for a long time now...It's not that big of a dip in the ratings. If you honestly think that one person being the champion single-handedly affacted the ratings then you must be high! The last time any one person single-handedly affected the ratings was probably back when Stone Cold was on every week. He is the only person in recent time that could single-handedly affect the ratings. People would tune it because they wanted to see what he was going to do. The rest Raw could be crap, but as long is Stone Cold was going to be on, people would watch it. It really does not matter who the champion is these days, if Raw has entertaining story lines and superstars, people will watch. Hornswaggle could be the freaking champ and as long as the rest of Raw had entertaining storylines and good matches that fans wanted to see, the people would still watch. Football season just began and that means the Raw is goin up against MNF. Their rating has always been slightly lower than normal when MNF is on. Im sure it will go up and down every week until MNF is done. It happens every year.
With that being said, I still would have liked to see Sheamus have the belt a little longer to have a better run than his past one. He needs to build his credability a lot more than Orton does but the people still are not really behind Sheamus so why not take the belt off of him. Also, there is more money in the chase. I think Orton should have chased the title for a couple more months and then get the title. However, Im not going to complain with the decision to give Orton the built. I have no problem with it once so ever. I mean, who else do you think really deserves the belt right now?! Orton is at the top of his game and is arguably the most over right now. He was going to get the belt sooner or later so what is the difference?! Orton has already been a multiple time champion and has even retained the title at Mania in a triple threat against HHH and Cena. He has already been a top dog and in the spotlight for a long time now so it really didn't matter when he got the belt. He was going to get it anyways and if he would have chased any longer, the fans probably would have eventually gotten tired of it and complained that Orton should already have the belt. When he finally would have won they belt they probably would have said that it was too late and that his match was too predictably because they knew he was going to win!
I just wish people wouldn't be so negative all the time. It is wrestling, just enjoy it for what it is. Do you sit there and pick every negative thing out of a movie or television show? And some people seem to think that they could book the WWE or any other wrestling promotion better than the WWE creative or anyone else. If that was the case then why don't half the people on here go get jobs for WWE, TNA, ROH, or any other wrestling promotion. Im sure it is a lot harder than you think and all the decisions and ideas have other purposes or much bigger purposes than what most people would think about. (or maybey purposes that people wouldn't even think about at all) All the booking and creative ideas do have logic and a purpose behind it. And to all the people who think they are bookers, you are not booking or working for creative for the WWE. You are not them and did not come up with their ideas. Therefore, you do not know what their logic behind the booking is. (unless you can read minds) I know some of the things the WWE does pisses us off and makes us scratch our heads sometimes, but do we really need to point out every little negative thing that we don't like. It is just like someones favorite actor/actress or artist/band. No matter how many great movies that actor/actress has, eventually they are going to have a bad one that you do not like. An artist/band may have many great songs or albums, but eventually they are going to have a bad song or album that you don't really like. If the majority of the stuff is good, why sit there and pick out every little negative aspect of a song or movie that you do not like. I just do not see the fun in that. Enjoy the stuff that you like and cheer or boo the superstarts that you like and hate, but don't point out every flaw that you see. Sometimes I wonder how the IWC can even still watch wrestling with as much negative stuff they write and point out about it. If you can only point out all the neagative stuff, (and lots of it) then why are you still watching it. If you can't find anything good to like or say about it, then just turn it off. It is that simply. People are way to negative about it sometimes. Just sit back and enjoy it.
And one last thing...haha I know I'm kind of venting all of my frustrations here, but this so called "report" of the WWE already souring on Orton is champion...Just because you read a report online that says something does not mean it is true! Im sure there are lots of stuff that gets reported that is true, but there are also lots of stuff that gets reported that is only partially true or not true at all. If you believed everything that you read on internet reports then you would still be waiting for lots of things to happen that havn't happened yet and probably never will because the report was not true. If the WWE is sour on Orton as champ then we will find out soon enough. (probably at HIAC) Until then, lets just sit back and enjoy it for what it is. If he loses the belt, then that will tell us that the WWE felt that he is not right yet for the title. I mean it has only been 3 days since he won the title! I hope he has a long run as champ and crushes everyone that challenges him.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Randy Orton being white hot for the past few months, as well as the push the E gave him, would inevitably lead him to the WWE Championship. Picking him to go over six men in the main event of Night of Champions was pretty good timing and made him look quite strong in the process (considering that he was the sole reason why Chris Jericho was eliminated in under 5 minutes), but allowed everyone else to look good since it was a Six Man match. If Orton didn't win at the NoC, he would of gotten the title within the next couple of PPV's. You'd be stupid to ignore him... but I think we should clear something up.
Despite what other sports and television shows might be broadcasting, leading to more viewers watching those programs over the WWE, I think the problem lies with how Randy Orton has been acting in his character. Yes, he has been going against the bad guys mostly and challenging them, as well as showing face characteristics in smiling, posing for the fans, etc... but he has been still talking in a heel voice, such as mentioning "I hurt people, some deserve it... others don't. Some I do for fun" or something along those lines. That's not what a face (let alone someone holding the championship and possibly becoming the face of the company) says at all, and I think the fans are a little taken aback by this. When he was on his way to the championship, it was okay to decimate everyone to get it... but holding it, people expect him to be the guy who represents us to defeat the bad guys with the utmost respect, not some psycho who wants to maim people. I think the killer line was when he mentioned "I am not an honourable man."
The WWE shouldn't sour on Orton just yet, it's only the first week. There are numerous ways to get the crowd and the company back into him as a viable champion such as the sympathetic angle (have Sheamus brutally attack Orton) and make another heel seem much more heelish than Orton. It's best to keep Orton on a leash when his promo skills come into play because that seems to be the weak point of the situation, as I see it. How do you think Orton got so damn hot in the past few months? Via talking? Orton might be awesome, but he isn't the Miz.... he built himself up through dominance, his matches and playing his character in the ring well.
Despite what other sports and television shows might be broadcasting, leading to more viewers watching those programs over the WWE, I think the problem lies with how Randy Orton has been acting in his character. Yes, he has been going against the bad guys mostly and challenging them, as well as showing face characteristics in smiling, posing for the fans, etc... but he has been still talking in a heel voice, such as mentioning "I hurt people, some deserve it... others don't. Some I do for fun" or something along those lines. That's not what a face (let alone someone holding the championship and possibly becoming the face of the company) says at all, and I think the fans are a little taken aback by this. When he was on his way to the championship, it was okay to decimate everyone to get it... but holding it, people expect him to be the guy who represents us to defeat the bad guys with the utmost respect, not some psycho who wants to maim people. I think the killer line was when he mentioned "I am not an honourable man."
The WWE shouldn't sour on Orton just yet, it's only the first week. There are numerous ways to get the crowd and the company back into him as a viable champion such as the sympathetic angle (have Sheamus brutally attack Orton) and make another heel seem much more heelish than Orton. It's best to keep Orton on a leash when his promo skills come into play because that seems to be the weak point of the situation, as I see it. How do you think Orton got so damn hot in the past few months? Via talking? Orton might be awesome, but he isn't the Miz.... he built himself up through dominance, his matches and playing his character in the ring well.
the rating have NOTHING to do with Orton winning. I don't think people understand how many people watch Monday Night Football. The rating drop at this point EVERY YEAR! I think if people in the WWE are really worried about the ratings right now they need to get a grip. Orton is hot right now but him feuding with Sheamus is just boring... I mean Sheamus and Orton in HiaC? I'd almost rather see Cena and Barrett in the Cell and the WWE Title match in a regular format but to me i think booking and football is to blame for people not 'caring' about Orton winning
I agree. Even though I really like Sheamus, I feel he would have been a much more credible champion if his wins hadn't have been portrayed as flukes. Even though his first win was a one on one win against Cena, they played it up like Cena just fell off the top rope through the table. In the same sense, Orton's win would be more credible in a single's match. Perhaps a cage match. I suppose this is true with all title matches with multiple participants however.
As far as ratings are concerned, I agree that it isn't something to be too concerned over considering it is up against Monday Night Football. I stated in a post a long time ago when TNA tried their Monday night "experiment" that if they were still on Monday nights when football started that they would get cancelled for sure due to low ratings. Can you imagine what TNA's ratings would be right now on a Monday night going up against Raw AND MNF? Especially when they are getting a 1.2 at best on Thursdays. Spike would pull the plug within a month.
Barrett should win right now due to he just got here the world tiltle is for people that have paid dues and have earned it to throw it on Barrett so so would disrespect to the Belt to me. As far as I'm concerned I think Shameus needed a clean win be to appear legit. As long a Super Cena didn't win I'm ok
Brahma Bull
Getting Noticed By Management
few things. one, if it was the worst ratings since 2 years ago, then this whole mnf has no grounds, because guess what, it was around last year too. the ratings were obviously going to drop, but they dropped lower than average. but i dont think it is all orton's fault.
people thought jericho was gone. he is not a huge draw, but he does have a huge fan base. even as a heel, people were in awe when he lost. even the wrestlers played the part that so many fans felt.
nexus is being burried. it started good. but super cena went and destroyed them. and im not going to trash cena, because he does care about the company but when he is told to win he will. but the air went out of that boat. make other guys besides barrett matter. maybe have 2 nexus members get the tag titles. or put a couple of them in a fued with another superstar. why is it miz vs bryan. i know why, but nexus can be involved 2. it always seems like it is just barrett with back up. make nexus matter individually. and not just with wins in one night. build some decent fueds with all of them, that still incorporate that they are still the nexus.
besides cena vs barrett and sheamus vs orton, the wwe is not using their resources well on raw. why does it seem like edge and jericho dont even matter. they have had better fueds than cena, sheamus, orton, etc. im not saying they are more over, but give them some good fueds. why just have jericho loose to morrison. why not use jericho to try to get morrison over with a good fued. same with edge. people didnt watch because it was going to be the same thing it has been. sheamus vs orton, cena vs barrett. change it up some.
finally, i think its true. orton as champ right now doesnt work. im not saying it wont, and he is insanely over, but he does way better chasing the title. people were dying for him to win. give him a wrestlemania moment. not a fucking noc moment. he is horrible at promos. it is pretty much his charisma that gets him over. he is hungry going for the title as the viper. but with it, he is just the guy people want to beat for the title. i think the same was true for scsa. im not bashing him now, but him chasing the title was way more exciting than him with the title. people wanted to see how he would outsmart mcmahon this week, not oh he has the title cool. but the reason scsa could make it work and still keep the ratings as champ is because the guy could cut promos. orton really cant. saying ill punt or rko you gets old.
im not saying dont give orton the title, because he is so huge not too. but build up his tweener character more than just i am hungry for the title, before you superman him and make him seem unbeatable and boring.
people thought jericho was gone. he is not a huge draw, but he does have a huge fan base. even as a heel, people were in awe when he lost. even the wrestlers played the part that so many fans felt.
nexus is being burried. it started good. but super cena went and destroyed them. and im not going to trash cena, because he does care about the company but when he is told to win he will. but the air went out of that boat. make other guys besides barrett matter. maybe have 2 nexus members get the tag titles. or put a couple of them in a fued with another superstar. why is it miz vs bryan. i know why, but nexus can be involved 2. it always seems like it is just barrett with back up. make nexus matter individually. and not just with wins in one night. build some decent fueds with all of them, that still incorporate that they are still the nexus.
besides cena vs barrett and sheamus vs orton, the wwe is not using their resources well on raw. why does it seem like edge and jericho dont even matter. they have had better fueds than cena, sheamus, orton, etc. im not saying they are more over, but give them some good fueds. why just have jericho loose to morrison. why not use jericho to try to get morrison over with a good fued. same with edge. people didnt watch because it was going to be the same thing it has been. sheamus vs orton, cena vs barrett. change it up some.
finally, i think its true. orton as champ right now doesnt work. im not saying it wont, and he is insanely over, but he does way better chasing the title. people were dying for him to win. give him a wrestlemania moment. not a fucking noc moment. he is horrible at promos. it is pretty much his charisma that gets him over. he is hungry going for the title as the viper. but with it, he is just the guy people want to beat for the title. i think the same was true for scsa. im not bashing him now, but him chasing the title was way more exciting than him with the title. people wanted to see how he would outsmart mcmahon this week, not oh he has the title cool. but the reason scsa could make it work and still keep the ratings as champ is because the guy could cut promos. orton really cant. saying ill punt or rko you gets old.
im not saying dont give orton the title, because he is so huge not too. but build up his tweener character more than just i am hungry for the title, before you superman him and make him seem unbeatable and boring.
