Why Aren't You Going To Vote For Dagger?

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

It doesn't really matter who's in the ABC Party, or who ran. The fact that you guys had more than triple the members La Resistance had, and like double the members the DFP had makes that fact meaningless.

We have 60 people. Are you sure of your facts? Last I checked DFP had 43 and LR had 36.

And here's the more important thing. Why did so many join the ABC party? Maybe to vote for Dagger in the first place.

Meanwhile, this thread exists, and is nearly 20 pages long (it's 4 pages for me, and I show 50 posts a page) filled with people who are going on about exactly why they're not voting for Dagger.

Not a single one of them supported Dagger at any point. So where does the convincing part kick in?

 

[Gelgarin]

And here's the more important thing. Why did so many join the ABC party? Maybe to vote for Dagger in the first place.

Because they were bombarded with PMs and rep. We have a twenty page thread of people outlining why Dagger is a terrible choice and thus far about two people have stepped up to defend him (badly). From that we can deduce that his supporters either don't care, or don't have an argument to defend him. Both symptomatic of just being in it for the rep.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

We have 60 people. Are you sure of your facts? Last I checked DFP had 43 and LR had 36.

And here's the more important thing. Why did so many join the ABC party? Maybe to vote for Dagger in the first place.

Not a single one of them supported Dagger at any point. So where does the convincing part kick in?

Look, I'll concede for the time being. My numbers came straight from my ass, as I was looking at how many people actually voted in these elections. I'm not trying to convince you to not to vote for Dagger, but I seriously don't even think he's going to hit second place. It's just a gut feeling, based on the general feeling toward Dagger from people who have voiced their opinions throughout this entire process.

FWIW, 16 people voted in the LR 2nd primary.

 

[ABMorales787]

I was kinda certain I was more popular than Dagger. Why the hell did I only get one vote? More importantly, how did he lobby for so many votes? I was in the TNA section and Habs was tossing sermons left and right. All Dagger did was say the same thing over and over.

Yeah, I kinda feel offended that I got one supporter for all my troubles.

 

[LSN80]

Because they were bombarded with PMs and rep.

Can you confirm either one? I dont know about you, but if I were bombarded with PM's, it would leave quite the sour taste in my mouth, and push me away from voting for someone.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

People forget things so easily. PM's were sent ONCE to a group of about 14 to 15 posters to join. I was one of them. We were called elitists back then. A few more people joined because of the recognizable names that they saw in our party. The ABC party has the most amount of visibility in the non spam sections after all. Then two parties, the WFU and the PPM merged with us because of our open mindedness more than anything else. They joined because they thought that either member of their parties had as good a chance of winning this thing as anyone else, which is true and was justified with Killjoy, originally the leader of the WFU reaching as far as the second primary. Any other reason is downright false.

Just like the Dagger has a history of being a bad guy thing is false. Seriously there is the incident of the video game and some flame war with a guy who had been calling him a "f***ger" for months. If we let flame wars decide this thing then Dagger has had by far the fewest flame wars among the three candidates.

 

[Davi323]

I received one PM from Dagger inviting me to join the ABC party (may have been part of that mass PM), and one to solicit my support in each primary round. Three total. That's it. If he was "bombarding" people, he must have left me off of his list.

 

[shattered dreams]

I really thought Gelgarin was beyond the stupid "logic" that people use to trash whatever TNA does. 5-10 people agree with me and less don't therefore I have discovered a universal truth. Most people don't seem to have much of a reason to actually dislike Dagger as much as they do so what exactly is going on here?

I think this is a case study on the ten percenters. Too many people are caught up in this myth that their opinion carries extra weight around here. I like this, therefore it must be. Too bad when it comes to voting in an election or watching a wrestling show everyone counts the same. Apparently instead of choosing to deal with the obvious reality of a silent majority people are lashing out trying to preserve their precious social hierarchy with conspiracy theories. When the prevailing complaint boils down to why am I not worth more than someone I prefer to look down on for various haughty reasons, then I have trouble taking it seriously. I think what has supposedly happened here is an important lesson that many around here could learn from but I am sure they will choose to stick their heads in the sand because it is easier.

I guess the secondary issue is jealousy. People look at Dagger and say he is no better than I am, so why is he getting this chance? Well, maybe he is better than you because he played the game better. The idea that Dagger is a terrible candidate is as misguided as the idea that Coco isn't a good poster when he wants to be. I am not sure why Dagger is being vilified for stuff he didn't even say about stereotyping spam posters yet Coco has routinely done just that to the non-spam sections. Why isn't anyone flipping their shit over that? Oh right, it is predominantly the spam types that make a lot of noise in threads like these, so of course their view is going to be overrepresented.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I flipped shit over Coco making a mountain out of a molehill when it came to spam vs non spam.

But then I am just another Dagger supporter and Dagger is the guy who has a flame war every month.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I really thought Gelgarin was beyond the stupid "logic" that people use to trash whatever TNA does. 5-10 people agree with me and less don't therefore I have discovered a universal truth. Most people don't seem to have much of a reason to actually dislike Dagger as much as they do so what exactly is going on here?

I think this is a case study on the ten percenters. Too many people are caught up in this myth that their opinion carries extra weight around here. I like this, therefore it must be. Too bad when it comes to voting in an election or watching a wrestling show everyone counts the same. Apparently instead of choosing to deal with the obvious reality of a silent majority people are lashing out trying to preserve their precious social hierarchy with conspiracy theories. When the prevailing complaint boils down to why am I not worth more than someone I prefer to look down on for various haughty reasons, then I have trouble taking it seriously. I think what has supposedly happened here is an important lesson that many around here could learn from but I am sure they will choose to stick their heads in the sand because it is easier.

I guess the secondary issue is jealousy. People look at Dagger and say he is no better than I am, so why is he getting this chance? Well, maybe he is better than you because he played the game better. The idea that Dagger is a terrible candidate is as misguided as the idea that Coco isn't a good poster when he wants to be. I am not sure why Dagger is being vilified for stuff he didn't even say about stereotyping spam posters yet Coco has routinely done just that to the non-spam sections. Why isn't anyone flipping their shit over that? Oh right, it is predominantly the spam types that make a lot of noise in threads like these, so of course their view is going to be overrepresented.

And for the second consecutive day, I find myself agreeing with shattered and applauding what he is saying. What the hell is going on here?

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Too many people are caught up in this myth that their opinion carries extra weight around here. I like this, therefore it must be.

Which is funny, because then you came up with some baseless assumption while parading it as a universal truth:

I guess the secondary issue is jealousy. People look at Dagger and say he is no better than I am, so why is he getting this chance? Well, maybe he is better than you because he played the game better.

 

[LSN80]

Which is funny, because then you came up with some baseless assumption while parading it as a universal truth:

"I guess" and "maybe" are hardly parading an idea around like it's a Universal truth. It's speculatory, nothing more.

 

[ABMorales787]

I don't get the jealousy thing. Crock and Coco aren't getting that flack at all. Am I jealous of Daggers position? I'm rather curious of what people would say have I won, but if Dagger hadn't turned into such a blackmark, he'd have my full support.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

"I guess" and "maybe" are hardly parading an idea around like it's a Universal truth. It's speculatory, nothing more.

He said his universal truth is that people don't have a reason to not like dagger. Then he came up with jealousy.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

My biggest issue with Dagger right now is that it has been almost a full day since KB sent out the last debate question and he still hasn't responded (draw your own conclusion as to why).

Can we please get on with this election so that instead of spending our time bitching at each other over these trivial matters we can get back to bitching at each other for other trivial matters?

Word to your mother

 

[shattered dreams]

I don't get the jealousy thing. Crock and Coco aren't getting that flack at all. Am I jealous of Daggers position? I'm rather curious of what people would say have I won, but if Dagger hadn't turned into such a blackmark, he'd have my full support.

They would be all over your alleged use of the report button, blasphemous desire to actually do the job and marginal current staff opinions. You know, the things that are really important here.

 

[Davi323]

Can we please get on with this election so that instead of spending our time bitching at each other over these trivial matters we can get back to bitching at each other for other trivial matters?

Exactly. We are the IWC, dammit, we need to bitch about different shit daily!

 

[Gelgarin]

You're a fucking moron if you are seriously unable to separate the ideas of using a consensus opinion on a wrestling forum as a model for charting a 2,000,000 strong television audience, and using the consensus opinion on a wrestling forum as a model for charting opinion on aforementioned wrestling forum.
The limitless quantity of people of the mindset that Dagger totally sucks are indeed relevant. Many of them are the people he would be expected to work alongside. The people with the best understanding of the job in question consider Dagger poorly equipped to do it. I know your recent "I'm as good as Slyfox... seriously." kick places their opinions as irrelevant, but from a more reasoned perspective that's not the case.

As for the rest; give me a break. You're the one who is reliably bemoaning the "social hierarchy". You talk about the ethereal silent majority, sneered at by spam posters. You regularly go on about the "Old Guard" ignoring or looking down upon new posters to preserve their status... and then you accuse everyone else of peddling conspiracy theories. Seriously?

On the subject of faulty logic, do you honestly see how laughable it is for you to be arguing that people don't appear to have a valid reason to hate Dagger in a thread full of people explaining in detail why they hate Dagger. Come to think of it, you seem to be displaying an undiscovered talent for interpreting people's motivation in clear contrast to what they are actually saying with your newest envy theory.

In contrast you're able to brush away all of the reasoned assertions about how bad a candidate Dagger is simply by saying that it is so. Magical.

 

[Chess]

Was there really any need for this election when the majority of current Mods want Coco to be elected? The fact that a mod has made a thread to diss one of the three candidates is staggering to me, if not damn out of order.

It's great that you think Dagger is undeserving, a bad poster and temperamental when critised, but guess what? He has loyal supporters, he has people who actually think he is a decent poster and maybe think it would be a good thing that it is not just a massive spooning session going on in the 'Boardroom'. Perhaps the boardroom needs someone to stir shit up rather than just adding another cock to the party. Perhaps some of the boardroom needs to feel threatened by who the people want. I am sure certain mods expected Coco to walk this, now they fear Dagger may actually win so they start to promote hate and bring up the past about his game and his crying.

I love it when "persecuted people" start persecuting others due to their own insecurity about their own abilities.

You need to remember that this is the internet and we normally always go against authority, we will go up against certain mods and power reppers, we will make our own opinions and hopefully this will fuck with you. I hope Dagger wins just so you can realise that although you may be a mod of a little wrestling site, you're nothing special. You are someone who craves power when in reality you have none, you think you are important when in reality you mean nothing to the majority of the forum or to society as a whole. Infact this whole election means shit and is no longer interesting. You can tell this as there is only 350 views of the debate yet nearly 3500 views of this shitty hate thread. As Davi said, we just want to bitch about something so I thought I would bitch about YOU!

 

[DirtyJosé]

Was there really any need for this election when the majority of current Mods want Coco to be elected? The fact that a mod has made a thread to diss one of the three candidates is staggering to me, if not damn out of order.

It's great that you think Dagger is undeserving, a bad poster and temperamental when critised, but guess what? He has loyal supporters, he has people who actually think he is a decent poster and maybe think it would be a good thing that it is not just a massive spooning session going on in the 'Boardroom'. Perhaps the boardroom needs someone to stir shit up rather than just adding another cock to the party. Perhaps some of the boardroom needs to feel threatened by who the people want. I am sure certain mods expected Coco to walk this, now they fear Dagger may actually win so they start to promote hate and bring up the past about his game and his crying.

I love it when "persecuted people" start persecuting others due to their own insecurity about their own abilities.

You need to remember that this is the internet and we normally always go against authority, we will go up against certain mods and power reppers, we will make our own opinions and hopefully this will fuck with you. I hope Dagger wins just so you can realise that although you may be a mod of a little wrestling site, you're nothing special. You are someone who craves power when in reality you have none, you think you are important when in reality you mean nothing to the majority of the forum or to society as a whole. Infact this whole election means shit and is no longer interesting. You can tell this as there is only 350 views of the debate yet nearly 3500 views of this shitty hate thread. As Davi said, we just want to bitch about something so I thought I would bitch about YOU!

Welp, somebody asked for another voice for Dagger's side, and here it is. And what a surprise, it's an ignorant dipshit with a hard on for fucking over the mods because he got one too many infractions or something. So there we go; on one side we have mods and respected posters discussing that they do not find the idea of a Dagger modship as beneficial to the site, and then a mouth breather like this out to just "stick it to the man" who really believes that somehow Dagger would stir shit up in the Board Room. I read the bolded part and I'm reminded of Sly's statement at the beginning: that anyone who won that staff felt was taking this as a joke or was otherwise in this for the wrong reasons would not get the job. I think the bolded text illustrates as bad a reason as any to want the job.

 

[Ty Burna]

Who are you?

Edit: Not you Jose, I would never forget you.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Was there really any need for this election when the majority of current Mods want Coco to be elected? The fact that a mod has made a thread to diss one of the three candidates is staggering to me, if not damn out of order.

It's great that you think Dagger is undeserving, a bad poster and temperamental when critised, but guess what? He has loyal supporters, he has people who actually think he is a decent poster and maybe think it would be a good thing that it is not just a massive spooning session going on in the 'Boardroom'. Perhaps the boardroom needs someone to stir shit up rather than just adding another cock to the party. Perhaps some of the boardroom needs to feel threatened by who the people want. I am sure certain mods expected Coco to walk this, now they fear Dagger may actually win so they start to promote hate and bring up the past about his game and his crying.

I love it when "persecuted people" start persecuting others due to their own insecurity about their own abilities.

You need to remember that this is the internet and we normally always go against authority, we will go up against certain mods and power reppers, we will make our own opinions and hopefully this will fuck with you. I hope Dagger wins just so you can realise that although you may be a mod of a little wrestling site, you're nothing special. You are someone who craves power when in reality you have none, you think you are important when in reality you mean nothing to the majority of the forum or to society as a whole. Infact this whole election means shit and is no longer interesting. You can tell this as there is only 350 views of the debate yet nearly 3500 views of this shitty hate thread. As Davi said, we just want to bitch about something so I thought I would bitch about YOU!

You're mad that politics is going on in politics?

 

[The Doctor]

Perhaps the boardroom needs someone to stir shit up rather than just adding another cock to the party.

This is actually the reason I wanted Coco to win, back when this thing first started. I felt that he's really what the staff needs - a contrarian. Someone intelligent, but not afraid to speak his mind and disagree with the majority. As a former member of staff I know that there can really be a bit of a "Let's all think the exact same way as to not upset the status quo" vibe. And I think most everyone sees that under his mischievous outer shell is a brilliant and insightful mind that could really help the place out. If you don't think Coco is a visionary who says the uncomfortable truth, look at his shoot on WZCW. He was completely correct in almost everything he said. Maybe his timing could have been better, but he didn't deserve to be blacklisted just for giving some actual constructive criticism.

Crock would likely fall in line with everyone else's thinking. Not saying that's a bad thing but it's not really all that exciting.

Dagger would divide the staff negatively rather than make them all think differently about various situations, and when he didn't he'd just restate the same status quo bullshit or come up with something ridiculous.

 

[Ty Burna]

We reaaaaaaaally going there again with this Doc?

Pass.

 

[The Doctor]

We reaaaaaaaally going there again with this Doc?

Pass.

Come on. I like WZCW, but there are times where not everything is all fine and dandy in the fed. Do I agree with the way he stated his opinion? Nope. Do I agree with some of the views he expressed? Yes, because they were true. Anyway, I digress. That was just an example of him attempting to stir things up positively by having people actually think about a situation rather than sit around and smile at each other and pretend it's all well and good. It may have been a little misguided in the way he did it, but come on. You can't disagree that many people are in it because they want to win matches rather than because they want to make a compelling narrative.

I wasn't trying to turn this into a "fed drama" debate, just providing an example of the sort of forward thinking Coco could bring to the table. Not every remotely negative thing said about the fed is a personal attack on the way it's run. Discussion and debate should be encouraged.