The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Little Jerry Lawler]

First off I am definitely not a Cena fan but to say he should be fired is some of the stupidest shit ever he generated more money than anybody else on the roster the last couple years so from a business standpoint that would be downright ******ed. I'm sure there is a couple guys that Vince isn't impressed by but as long as they put asses in seats they're not going anywhere and ultimately that's what wrestling is all about.
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What? wait what? this is not about money this is about wrestling and yes vince would hire someone who couldn't wrestle if it meant money. He likes money more then talent thats why we lost so many good superstars over the years. Orton said it best cena is a marketing bitch, and he needs to improve his wrestling skills. Triple h said it on national tv, hell i remember a raw where cena said "i might not be the best wrestler but i can sure fight". Well this is wrestling not ufc!

I read a reply from some eminem fan, who evidently proves my point as to who cena fans are. Sorry rap is not music and cena can't wrestle.

FACT: Cena = BS

We wonder why the ratings will never be 8.0's again now there 3.4's average, because they push cena to damn much and half the kids are asleep and the adults are falling asleep by his crappy wrestling.

Its just a damn opinion get over yourself and out of cena's ass!

Are you serious? The highest ratings the WWE has had over the past five years on RAW are with Cena as champion. How is his wrestling crappy and if you can give me three reasons as why it is (which I doubt) then I would consider your argument "supportable."

 

[SavageTaker]

He likes money more then talent thats why we lost so many good superstars over the years.

Do you actually know the man Vince McMahon and have heard this come out of his mouth in order to make that statement. I'm guessing your answer is no. You don't know Vince and you shouldn't say things like that because well you don't know what he thinks.

Orton said it best cena is a marketing bitch,

There is a large amount of people who could care less for Orton and for what Orton has to say. Plus does it really matter what he thinks. The answer is no.

and he needs to improve his wrestling skills.

He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

I read a reply from some eminem fan, who evidently proves my point as to who cena fans are. Sorry rap is not music and cena can't wrestle.

I am a Cena fan yet I don't like Eminem or Rap. So you're trying to say that the only fans Cena has are...?

FACT: Cena = BS

Not really.

We wonder why the ratings will never be 8.0's again now there 3.4's average, because they push cena to damn much and half the kids are asleep and the adults are falling asleep by his crappy wrestling.

Hmm, it's kind of funny how the ratings increased when they decided to push Cena into the main event. It's also funny how the WWE was getting 3.4's and up or down when Cena wasn't even in the main event.

Its just a damn opinion get over yourself and out of cena's ass!

I think you're the one who needs to get over yourself and I am no where near Cena's ass.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I find it hard to believe that Orton called Cena a marketing bitch. I mean, they're good friends backstage and made their way in the WWE together. Somebody's either completely made that up or grossly misconstrued something that Orton said.

If Orton actually did say that, the man is a massive, massive, massive hypocrite.

 

[GSM]

Oh yeah right Orton said something like that yeah sure... HELL NO !!!
Oh it´s so ridicolous that people have to make up such BS, I never heard of something like that, and why should Orton say something like that Cena and Orton are known to be good friends and maybe someone was mistaking a promo with reality but of course it could be possible that I´m wrong but I definitely need proof.

But like I stated before it´s very unlikely.

I also love the fact that none of these Cena haters are actually able to defend their opinion in a civilized manner rather than throw stupid insults around.

 

[Paradox]

I couldn't agree more with you savagetaker. Cena is on of the best right now in all aspects. He is great on the mic, puts on some of the great matches. He has never screwed up a promo before, where even the undertaker did earlier this year.(don't bash me i like the undertaker, just making a point.)

Yes he has had some boring matches, but so has everyone. Even the great Bret Hart that people keep referring to. Look at his matches with Edge, these two have never put on a bad match likewise they have always delivered. Then look at his matches with HBK. They had a great match at Mania, and then an even better match on raw less then a month later. He had a great match last year with Triple h. He made Umaga look great in their last man standing match. Made Orton look legit, and Lashley. Heck the guy pulled a good match out of Khali as someone mentioned.

Just because he isn't a technical wrestler doesn't mean that he can't have good matches. Neither Stone Cold or the Rock who pioneered the Attitude era were technical wrestlers. Yet, I don't hear any Cena haters screaming at how bad they were. Never had and never will. Yes I will give you that Bret Hart was a great technical wrestler, arguably the best.

Though I don't know why everyone is arguing that Cena is better then Hart, and Hart is better then Cena. I don't think the point of this thread was is Cena the best wrestlers and entertainers of all time. It's why is he one of the best today. Personally I think that he is one of the best ever, There is no doubt that he is the best today. Name one that is better. He has made everyone that has stepped in the ring with him look great.

 

[ratedrko13]

obviously you guys want a thread where you can all kiss cena's ass, so ill leave you to it. This is stupid and this thread has began to suck just as much as cena's acting. let me start a thread called "Cena's fans kiss ass"

this thread is dedicated to cena and how "great" he is... sounds a little like an opinion, which is all i have stated and you get offended, well i guess cena is the best at what he does. Making a bunch of fans who have the intellect of a two year old. The post belongs in the trash, the only reason i am saying anything is because this whole thing is one sided, cena is not "great" !


KEY Word : Opinion!

True wrestling fans know the truth about cena and his so called "skills" which is why he got boood at mostly every wrestlemania and at tons of shows around the world. lets take some time to think that over.......

oh he sucks!

 

[I own a set of balls]

I like that John Cena has passion and love for wrestling unlike some other wrestlers. There has been many wrestlers that have came and gone and you never could feel some type of connection with them and that’s because they truly didn’t care about wrestling or its fans. I feel I have some type of weird connection with John because he actually cares about his fans and he cares about the fans that don’t care about him too.

Really? Because I have heard otherwise.

Based on MY experiences and hearings, he is quite the opposite when the cameras run out of batteries.

Many times I have heard that he mainly ignores your questions whether it's in the air port, at a local high school giving a pep talk, or at a movie theater. I have heard stories of the guy ignoring a group of fans asking him for an autograph, then he just looked at them and did not respond (which is why those group of fans turned against him in the first place). If the cameras are on, he seems nicer than your mother when you're a sleeping toddler.

Of course this can be complete BULLSHIT, but we do not have sufficient proof to say it is or isn't. I'm just throwing this out there to give another view of this Cena guy.

I heard the same thing about Triple H.

 

[Paradox]

obviously you guys want a thread where you can all kiss cena's ass, so ill leave you to it. This is stupid and this thread has began to suck just as much as cena's acting. let me start a thread called "Cena's fans kiss ass"

this thread is dedicated to cena and how "great" he is... sounds a little like an opinion, which is all i have stated and you get offended, well i guess cena is the best at what he does. Making a bunch of fans who have the intellect of a two year old. The post belongs in the trash, the only reason i am saying anything is because this whole thing is one sided, cena is not "great" !


KEY Word : Opinion!

True wrestling fans know the truth about cena and his so called "skills" which is why he got boood at mostly every wrestlemania and at tons of shows around the world. lets take some time to think that over.......

oh he sucks!

Let's look at this, no one has got offended, but you. We all have given reasons that we enjoy watching Cena, and why we feel like he is the best there is today. You have said that he's not and attacked our opinion. We defended, and now you're pissed off and are just ranting that Cena sucks, and telling us that we're kissing his ass. Then telling us that we have the intellect of a two year old. Now you are the one acting like child because not everyone agrees with you and your mad.

True wrestling fans... Wow, if your a true wrestling fan you would most likely agree that Hulk Hogan is one of the all time greatest. Yet Cena someone who is similar to him sucks because he has 5 moves just like Hogan, and does the same thing that Hogan did in everyone of his matches. Hogan set up the basic principle for all faces in a match. You get beat up for a majority of the match then you come back and win. That's true for all faces not just Cena. Look at the Rock and Stone Cold's matches when they were faces.

 

[Sharpshooter51]

I happen to agree, John Cena is the face of the company today, and the fact is, he is one of the top selling people in wrestling. Therefore, he is one of the best...from a marketing point of view. Cena sells

Yes, I also am a huge John Cena fan, I met him a couple years ago at a house show, and he is one the nicest people I have ever met

 

[ratedrko13]

i attacked your opinion... oh my god i am so sorry!

i didn't realize i was not allowed to have one, you must have been offended in the first place or you would have ignored me, oh but you call it defending. Its funny how someone can make a judgment and not allow others to without calling it "Hating" or whatever... what is this a cena religion group.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

i attacked your opinion... oh my god i am so sorry!

i didn't realize i was not allowed to have one, you must have been offended in the first place or you would have ignored me, oh but you call it defending. Its funny how someone can make a judgment and not allow others to without calling it "Hating" or whatever... what is this a cena religion group.

Well, if you come in here and just post baseless facts without anything to support them, then you don't have anything to stand on. At least the members of this "Cena Religion Group" as you so eloquently put it have facts that prove why Cena is the best in the business today.

 

[ipswichicon80]

John Cena gets boooed because he is a white meat babyface. He has no personality

 

[bobbem1988]

I personally dislike Cena as a wrestler his performance aren't always that bad he just isnt Bret Hart (honestly comparing Hart to Cena is a complete mismatch) and the post and Curt Hennig is right ok so he was only a midcard wrestler IC champ US champ what not but he damn well could wrestle...one thing i have to agree with though is cena can cut promos jsut not as well as a genius like Edge can who in doing so backs up his comments with excellent ring work

Cena love him or hate him will always be around the WWE the fact he sells quite a huge amount of merchandise sales from prodominantly children and women but there are plenty in the male 18-35 demographic who like cena...i dont but its not to mean that he cant get better HHH in his dvd admitted he openly told cena he sucked after a match and cena took the advice and is trying to make himself better...saying that the BIG Show feud has been some of the most awful wrestling ive ever seen Cena can work well with other talents who like hima rent as able as say Kurt Angle biggest example of this is JBL cena actually had some pretty good matches with him...

whatever is said of cena he provokes reaction from the fans which in hindsight means hes getting half of his job done successfully..not everybody likes the main guy with maybe the exception of Stone Cold...Hogan was always liked but often rubbished for his ring work as was the Ultimate Warrior who dispite giving the worst promos in history and being dreadful at wrestling was one of the most over superstars ever.

but in response there are better entertainers and wrestlers than john cena namely edge maybe those who hate cena like myself will never get Cena and will probably never like him

 

[scottshaw777]

Ok. First of all, Hogan was a great, if not the best entertainer in the wrestling business, and all the credit for him carrying the ball to where it is today. But, he wasnt a great wrestler. Ya he could drop a leg, bodyslam, and give u a big boot, but not a great wrestler. I love Hogan tho, becuz he was kind of a storyteller in the ring, and i was also pretty young.

On Cena. He is NOT the modern day Hulk Hogan, for there will never be another Hulkster. He may act like hes fighting the good fight and give similar promos, but i couldnt disagree more. Here is why i LIKE Cena. His passion. He no doubt loves the business, he's got the look, and he is a pretty witty guy. Pretty funny. His 5 questions with the champ gave u a taste of his humor, as did his wwe dvd's. However, he isnt the best wrestler, his matches for SURE can get stale and repetitive. He is definetely no Curt Hennig or Bret Hart.

Finally, if the WWE wants to shake things up and get better ratings there is a couple things they could think about.
-Cena goes heel, like his thug image (entertaining, and everyone seemed to like it)
-have the program not be for elementary kids, go back to the attitude era
-remove all women wrestling, just make them all managers, announcers, what have u. (The matches are attrocious.)
-give HHH back his natural HEEL position
-and make me a writer.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

If I can be serious for a minute...

Look, this thread just craves flaming and personal attacks because John Cena is one of the most controversial wrestlers I've ever encountered. Either you really hate him, or you really love him. I'm one of those guys that is indifferent.

Sure, Cena's shtick annoys me most of the time, but he's also entertaining, and one of the better promo guys in the biz. Can't argue that. From his 'Word Life' rap battles, to his cutting down of guys like Edge, Orton, and Big Show. He can cut you into on the mic and no one can dispute that.

His wrestling leaves little to the imagination, but he's not paid to wrestle, he's paid to entertain. Hogan was an excellent wrestler, but the fact is, in the WWE, he was paid to Hulk up, Big Boot, and Leg drop. That's all. He didn't need to use technical wrestling to get over. He had charisma. Cena has charisma. That's why he's on TV, that's why he's shoved down our throats, and that's why many people hate him.

Like I said, I'm indifferent. I've had occasions where I couldn't stand him, and then occasions where I was glad to see him ( no pun intended ). So, to all of those who want to bash Cena and attack others that like him...either grow up or base your attacks on factual information, instead of being a fucking tool about it.

 

[Paradox]

i attacked your opinion... oh my god i am so sorry!

i didn't realize i was not allowed to have one, you must have been offended in the first place or you would have ignored me, oh but you call it defending. Its funny how someone can make a judgment and not allow others to without calling it "Hating" or whatever... what is this a cena religion group.

Way to prove my point, you attacked my opinion, and I attacked yours. The deference's is that I defend mine while you went off and cried and never defended your stance. Instead you went and said that we are kissing Cena's ass and that we are the Cena religion group. Like Little Jerry Lawler said, if your going to go to bashing someone have some facts to back it up. All you did was turn around and start bashing others for having an opinion that was different from yours.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

John Cena a good wrestler?

Yes he is. He has millions of fans which puts asses has good matches. The cheers he gets far out weigh the boos he gets from the 'cool' people

Oh lord, Curt Hennig is turning over in his grave

I don't even know why you put this so I'm just going to ignore it

He is appalling in the ring. Look at his matches with the Big Show, Orton..even Jericho struggles to get a decent match out of him.

Bug Show & Orton suck so lets not blame Cena for there lack of skill Mkay? As for Jericho he's no longer in his prime so I would blame it on both of them

Terrible wrestling skills.

Please explain his terrible wrestling skills so I can show you how you're wrong.

 

[Cmac3311]

John Cena was the coolest heel to cheer for years ago...
He was my fav when I was in high school but he just is too predictable for me...
The defying the odds gimmick is getting to be a bit much like 2 years too much.
I agree he has more than 5 moves but overall he is an awesome entertainer but his wrestling is becoming very stale, case in point WM 25, very underwhelming to say the least.

 

[Slam Master]

Cena move-set

flying shoulder blocks
hybrid suplex bomb
attitude adjuster
STFU
FIsherman's suplex(sloppily executed)
flipping neckbreaker
bulldog
flying legdrop off the top rope
clothesline

These are moves that I've seen him use since 2006. I watched some of his early stuff on youtube and I saw some pinning combinations, DDT, sunset flip, and some other stuff. He can definitely pull of some moves but I think he's booked to do just enough to get it done because he's a "powerhouse"

I do think he's entertaining, but I wouldn't call him a great wrestler. When you say he's great that's throwing him in with Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Curt Henning, and guys like that who COULD wrestle. He's the modern day Hulkster, and theres nothing wrong with that cus Hogan made a lot of money and was the most popular wrestler of his time. He's way better than Batista and I like him more than Batista but saying he's a great wrestler and this point in 2009 is maybe a stretch.

 

[Zeedeevel]

On the rise and fall of ecw dvd paul heyman stated that what he did with his guys was push the positives and hide the negatives, and that is what cena does very well with himself. Now personally I cant stand the guy, but mainly thats cuz Ive always cheered the heels. However Cena is not as bad as people say he is. I wouldnt rate him the best, but hes certainly not the worst. IMO what hurt Cena was his superman like title reign where he held the belt for a year and never actually lost it. When you overcome the odds so many times against a group of guys for a year straight, and then play a guy in peril against the guys it doesnt always work out well. Cena's repeat feuds are usually missing that initial interest that was there the first time. One must realize that this is not his fault tho, he is simply doing what he is told.

 

[Milkyway!]

Everyone talks about his five moves, but remember, some of the biggest in the business only had around five moves.

Examples?

Examples:

Oh yay!

Stone Cold Steve Austin: Stone Cold Stunner, run to the ropes then stomp toward the downed opponent while flipping him off then drop an elbow, place opponent on the second rope then run to the other rope and come back to jump on his neck, Million Dollar Dream(he only used it as Stone Cold when he was feeling saucy).

Suplexes, swinging neck breaker, sidewalk slam, Jumping on opponent to punch them, side russian leg sweep, could swing a chair like a maniac, wait, are none of these moves are moves now?

Hulk Hogan: No need to mention him.

There really isn't. Hogan knew as many moves as Beniot. Anyone that has seen a Hulk Hogan match at Saturday Nights Main Event knows, Hulk Hogan was a good wrestler. He could brawl, get technical, and was pretty fast. This whole Sidescoop slam, leg drop, hulk up into punches myth is one of the most interesting things I've ever heard, because Hulk only did that because the CROUD wanted to see that during the time, not a great wrestler. Outside of PPV's really Hulk wrestled extreamly well.

Ric Flair: Figure Four, chops, The Flair Flip(one of the most awesome in my opinion).

This baffles me. You're thinking of the Flair in 2009, 60 years old. Flair back in the 80's was one hella good wrestler. Hes not considered one of the greatest wrestlers in the world for nothing. Watch some of his stuff when WcW went to Japan, or anything to deal with Ricky Steamboat, I'm sure you can find 1 of their 2000 matches.

The Undertaker: Tombstone, The Last Ride, Old School

Once again, what the heck? Chokeslam, any type of slam, Hells gate, Snake Eyes, big boot, any submission manuever, jumping 3 foot clear over the ropes landing on his opponent, how the heck aren't these moves? If Undertaker had the stamina he did 20 years ago, and the wrestling skills he does now, The Undertaker would be the best professional wrestler to ever live, and hes still in the top 10.

The only difference with Cena is that he always pulls that Hulk Hogan thing where if it's a 20 minute match, he gets his ass kick for 17.5 minutes and takes 2.5 mounting an impressive comeback. It's predictable and lacks any real action witch brings me to my point, Cena is really hated because he represent the state that WWE and wrestling as a whole is in.

Thats obsurd, are we watching the same John Cena? The only time this really has happened is agiasnt The Big Show, they tried to test out to see if John could do what Hulk can. Just watch Rvd vs John Cena, Cena vs edge, Cena vs Hbk, Cena vs Jbl, Cena vs Jack Swagger, Cena vs Randy Orton, Cena vs The Big Show anytime before the last 2 months, do I really need to continue? John Cena knows more than 5 moves, and he doesn't use "The Hogan Effect" by any means necassary, outside of the last 2 pay per views. They gave it a test run, and it failed for the most part.

 

[falconsault]

Is it just me or does everyone forget that EVERY wrestler knows more than five moves? I mean really. Aren't they all taught, a scoop slam, headlock, sleeper hold, hammer lock, vertical suplex, clothes line, shoulder block, leg drop, power slam, and a few others when they are LEARNING to wrestle?

I mean I don't know about the rest of you, but to say someone knows only five moves, regardless of who it is, is just ridiculous in and of it's self. Now what you CAN say is that these certain wrestlers only have five SIGNATURE moves. But as Slam Master has already posted, Cena has 9, well 10 because he left off the sit out hip toss that he doesn't do all that often anymore.

So Cena has 10 moves, that's double the amount of moves that people that bash him say that he has. But again, these are just simply his signature moves.

I've nothing else really to say than to say that I think Cena is great and that is just personally my opinion. He has proven that he can help make anyone look golden in the ring, and he has no problem putting someone over. But I feel that I have the same opinion on a lot of things about him that has already been stated, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[SavageTaker]

Cena move-set

flying shoulder blocks
hybrid suplex bomb
attitude adjuster
STFU
FIsherman's suplex(sloppily executed)
flipping neckbreaker
bulldog
flying legdrop off the top rope
clothesline

These are moves that I've seen him use since 2006.

I don't know what show you've been watching then in the last 3 years then. I have seen him do way, way more than those 2 moves you put in bold. What you are basically saying is that in 3 years he has only used 2 moves, which is completely untrue.

I watched some of his early stuff on youtube and I saw some pinning combinations, DDT, sunset flip, and some other stuff. He can definitely pull of some moves but I think he's booked to do just enough to get it done because he's a "powerhouse"

He still does those moves. Either you're not paying attention when he wrestles or you're watching the wrong show. I have seen him do all of those moves and more.

I do think he's entertaining,

So do I.

but I wouldn't call him a great wrestler.

Then what would you call him.

When you say he's great that's throwing him in with Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Curt Henning, and guys like that who COULD wrestle.

So you're saying John Cena doesn't wrestle? Or that he doesn't know how to wrestle? Again, what show are you watching?

He's the modern day Hulkster, and theres nothing wrong with that cus Hogan made a lot of money and was the most popular wrestler of his time. He's way better than Batista and I like him more than Batista but saying he's a great wrestler and this point in 2009 is maybe a stretch.

I don't find it to be a stretch and I will continue saying it because I think it is the truth.

 

[Miko]

Alot of people have been saying this for a while now, yeah John Cena is one of the best today. What he does he does incredibly well.

Promo's? I've been saying for a long time that his promo's are cheesy as hell, yet he still delivers them better than they should be, he makes them sound almost believable. Imagine if he had better material to work with.

In the ring, he's good, I prefer him to a lot of the smark darlings, like Angle. He's pretty much the same as most of the other great main-eventers, Rock, Austin, Hogan even Hart didnt have many moves. Like John Cena what they did fit their style.

The difference between him and those guys is that when Hogan became unbeatable it was new, Austin and Rock carried it because they were so popular, Hart wasnt really unbeatable but his style was different from those guys. People these days dont really react well to corny unbeatable good guys, yet he's still winning people over, a testament to him maybe?

No point in justifying how many moves Cena has, he's just following the typical mold, WWE knows what entertains the masses, it's quite obviously closer to the Cena style of wrestling than watching 2 men roll around on the floor.

 

[GSM]

WWE knows what entertains the masses, it's quite obviously closer to the Cena style of wrestling than watching 2 men roll around on the floor.

Exactly,

The WWE is a multi million dollar company that made it´s fortune with wrestling.
The owner of the WWE is Vince McMahon, a man who was raised to understand wrestling and everything that surrounds it.

To state that John Cena can´t wrestle and has no charisma and then to state that no other opinion does have any meaning is BS.

So basically the haters are implying that the WWE and Vince McMahon is paying a man who can´t wrestle to well... WRESTLE ?!
It´s like Bill Gates pays his programmers to not programm or Don King promotes Boxers that don´t fight. That would be stupid or wouldn´t it ?!

And Miko is right, of course there are fans of real wrestling and amateur wrestling and any of that kind but these people are probably watching the olympic games rather than Wrestlemania.

And the statement that we´re asskissers is even more ridicolous, why could we kiss Cena´s ass without even really knowing or talking to him.