The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Slyfox696]

Well another night of Cena NOT being the focus of the show. I wonder how long it is until the next person states he is being "shoved down our throat". Raw has been all about Legacy vs Batista/McMahon's and HHH since the turn of the year, no one seems to be complaining about this but still go on about it being all about Cena.

Yes, but at least the ratings prove that Cena shouldn't be in the main-event and that Legacy vs. McMahons should be. After all, we've gone from a 3.9 to a 3.3 rating over the course of a month.

Wait, check that. That's not good at all. I think Cena supporters should demand Cena back in the main-event and shoved down our throats again. It'd be for the good of the ratings.

 

[Chrisjeffers]

Its not like we aren't hating on the 3 Ortons.... I mean legacy....they are getting old too...
I don't find it fair to bring up other annoying people to defend Cena....
I'm bashing Cena on the official john Cena Bashing thread...

And It looks as if WWE is listening to the "5%" of us that don't like Cena.... I'd really like to find out where you get these facts..... Because WWE has made a point of making Cena a midcard again! Cena Vs Miz could be cool.... but its midcard by far!

I don't like CENA!!!! But I like his losing streak.... I like watching him get beat up night after night! Weither you want to believe it or not the miz was right..... Little kids and their cougar mothers are his only fans!

A heel turn is whats needed when a face becomes stale.... Cena is stale......

But if I were writing for wwe I'd have Cena do an Anti-Obama thing.... insted of pro-bush!

Everyone would hate him....

(note) I don't cheer for the heels..... I cheer for the more entertaining wrestler.... That just happens to be the heels 70% of the time...

 

[The Todd]

I'm bashing Cena on the official john Cena Bashing thread...

It is actually the official john Cena thread, where people slate him so his fans can defend him.

And It looks as if WWE is listening to the "5%" of us that don't like Cena.... I'd really like to find out where you get these facts..... Because WWE has made a point of making Cena a midcard again! Cena Vs Miz could be cool.... but its midcard by far!

And, as slyfox has pointed out, look at the ratings. They have dropped a lot since Cena has not been in the main picture. I pointed out he has not been the main character for a while, yet everyone professes he is "shoved down our throats".

Little kids and their cougar mothers are his only fans!

His ONLY fans? Are you implying all his fans are kids and mothers? I can prove you wrong right there. I am not a kid nor a mother. You have no fact to back up that point, I do.

A heel turn is whats needed when a face becomes stale.... Cena is stale......

Oh yeah, that stale character that gets the loudest reaction every single night? If he was stale, he'd get a quiet or no reaction. Everyone has an opinion on Cena. They love or loathe him, so everyone makes a noise during his matches. So how is he stale?

Everyone would hate him....

Really? Because one thread on here had at least 15 people say they would "mark out" over a Cena heel turn. Turning him heel won't work because some idiots who boo him now would cheer him as a heel. He is in a no win situation.

 

[Chrisjeffers]

I love how you quote part of what I say.... You miss the part where I said Miz said.... which is a fact brought to us by wwe....
If he took a pollitical stance would the anti-Cena become anti-Obama? That would really suck if the states could be influanced by John Cena that much.....

I'm happy for you for being a Cena fan..... But this thread started as a Cena Bashing thread.... I didn't notice that it changed!

Cena was pushed too much.... Just like everyone else that was pushed too much... They are hated and loved.... Listening to a song 20 times over makes you like the song no matter how bad it is!

JBL was pushed too hard and people boo'd really hard to get him to leave.... People boo Cena to get him to leave....
And I love how you couldn't put your opinion down without insulting people the differ from your opinion.... I think you are a kid.... Get your fact present them in a fashoin that give you class.
"Really? Because one thread on here had at least 15 people say they would "mark out" over a Cena heel turn. Turning him heel won't work because some idiots who boo him now would cheer him as a heel. He is in a no win situation."

I'm sure there are idiots that cheer for Cena too!

 

[Chrisjeffers]

And technically a kid is a baby goat..... so there are no kids cheering for Cena.... so lets go with youth....Tell me your not a youth.... tell me your older then 28.... and cougar mothers.... ok drop the mothers if you like.... Cena is a good looking guy.... his younger fans a bandwaggon fans.... Who would you cheer for Cena vs Jeff Hardy?

 

[BooCocky]

I'm happy for you for being a Cena fan.

I'm also a Cena fan, and more than likely there are more fans than haters.

.... But this thread started as a Cena Bashing thread.... I didn't notice that it changed!

Wasn't this thread started by Slyfox? He is no Cena basher

Cena was pushed too much.... Just like everyone else that was pushed too much...

Defined pushed too much? Cena was given something right off the bat. He came out interfered a Angle promo. Had a match, held his own in the match. Improved in the ring on a daily basis, worked his ass of night in and night out just to make it in a company he loves.

They are hated and loved.

more than likely, More loved than hated.

... Listening to a song 20 times over makes you like the song no matter how bad it is!

at least you know Cena is coming out. Also, you know you love the little jingle.

JBL was pushed too hard and people boo'd really hard to get him to leave....

JBL is a heel, it is his job to get him to hate him, and he did a fine job the last 6 or so years. You really just compared a babyface to a top 3 heel in the WWE...

People boo Cena to get him to leave....

Only people who boo Cena are smarks, people who think it is cool to do move after move with no flow. No story telling, no selling of ones injury. Those same fans boo faces, and cheer the heels. Yeah, good way to rib Cena there fella.

And I love how you couldn't put your opinion down without insulting people the differ from your opinion.... I think you are a kid.... Get your fact present them in a fashoin that give you class.

Where are your facts? Obviously you dont have any. You think people are uninterested in Cena, yet that isn't true. When he left the main event the ratings dropped, and they dropped drastically. Roughly .6... Now they focus on Randy Orton, and now we realize how big of a ratings killer he really is.

"Really? Because one thread on here had at least 15 people say they would "mark out" over a Cena heel turn. Turning him heel won't work because some idiots who boo him now would cheer him as a heel. He is in a no win situation."

What do you mean? He is the biggest babyface in the ocmpany. When another face is ready to step up, I am sure the McMahon family has given this idea of a heel turn some though.

I'm sure there are idiots that cheer for Cena too!

I wouldn't call the majority idiots.

 

[The Todd]

I love how you quote part of what I say.... You miss the part where I said Miz said.... which is a fact brought to us by wwe....

I was sure I commented on your Miz thing. Ah well, my bad.

If he took a pollitical stance would the anti-Cena become anti-Obama? That would really suck if the states could be influanced by John Cena that much.....

Right I have no interest or knowledge whatsoever in the American political state, being British and all, so I can't make a comment because I have no clue what you're getting at.

I'm happy for you for being a Cena fan..... But this thread started as a Cena Bashing thread.... I didn't notice that it changed!

The bashing thread was made to stop noobs creating a million threads a day about "Cena sucks". The bashing thread was unneeded due to their already being a Cena thread where everyone was entitled to air their opinions and debate about them, which is what we're doing.

Cena was pushed too much.... Just like everyone else that was pushed too much... They are hated and loved.... Listening to a song 20 times over makes you like the song no matter how bad it is!

So you don't want them to be pushed as much? I honestly do not understand this argument that anyone is pushed too much, unless they mess up their shot. Cena has always drawn so why the fuss?

JBL was pushed too hard and people boo'd really hard to get him to leave.... People boo Cena to get him to leave....

JBL was meant to be booed, him being a heel and all. Booing him won't make him leave. Giving him no reaction will. I have heard a Cena interview where he states "as long as the fans are making a noise I am doing my job". Booing is doing nothing for him.

And I love how you couldn't put your opinion down without insulting people the differ from your opinion.... I think you are a kid.... Get your fact present them in a fashoin that give you class.

It would be pretty easy to insult your spelling and grammar but I won't since you obviously don't like it. You think I'm a kid? I am 19. Don't know what that counts as in America, but over here it's classed as an adult.

I'm sure there are idiots that cheer for Cena too!

Yeah probably.

And technically a kid is a baby goat..... so there are no kids cheering for Cena.... so lets go with youth....Tell me your not a youth.... tell me your older then 28....

Wait, so under 28 is a Youth is it? Sweet, nine more years to go then without responsibilities. Are you making out you're 28? If so, well done. You were born earlier so you obviously know much more than I do.

Cena is a good looking guy....

He's not my type.

Who would you cheer for Cena vs Jeff Hardy?

More than likely I would cheer Cena, but they are two of the top superstars so it would be close.

So what I have gotten from your post is you're saying you can only follow Cena or Hardy if you are a "youth" (under 28), would I be right? I'll enjoy the last years I have of being "allowed" to follow them then.

 

[Chrisjeffers]

I don't like Cena... My favorite wrestler of all time was Raven.... Not everyone is going to agree with me...
But I do believe that a little kid is an idiot.... No fault of his own.... with age comes wisdom. I also realize that most Cena fans are under 18! therefore.... Kids!

I don't agree with Anti-Cena fans either.... Most are bandwaggon fans too! I just plain don't like Cena..... In 2-4 years I might like him..... If it mattered I alos don't like Miz, Brian Kendrick, Cody Rhodes, Big show, or Triple H....
I'm not Anti-Cena.... I just don't like Cena!

 

[BooCocky]

So, wait, being 18 years of Age is considered being a kid? You're making no sense. Like I said before, Cena gets a huge pop from everyone, minus like 15% of an Audience. Which isn't really that much. The WWE doesn't care about one person not liking Cena. It's a business, and it is all about the majority.

I see plenty of people my age going to events wearing a Cena shirt. And if they aren't wearing them, I see people purchasing them all the time. I have about 6 friends who like the WWE, every single one of them is 21 years of age and older, and they are huge Cena fans.

You don't have to like him, but there is nothing you can do to get him out of the spot he is in. The man is brilliant, every PPV match, I am not disappointed. He might not wrestle a five star match, but he never disappoints. Especially when the lights are shining bright. Get over yourself, and enjoy the greatness that is John Cena...\m/\m/

 

[Chrisjeffers]

Booo! Cena is a great disappointment.... Face facts... He got something he was not ready for... Are you getting this from TV or a live show.... Cause the last show I remember seeing Cena was boo'd out.... But the replay of raw all I could hear was this little kid sceaming for him.....I was sitting near that little kid... I was shouting break his neck again... where was my voice? I was louder and closer.... But this little kid was heard throught the entire show!

WWE edits the croud reaction! thats why Jericho is dead in canada... he gets the largest pop of everyone...

Cena is still heavily boo'd.... WWE just doesn't want people to hear the true re-action!

 

[Chrisjeffers]

Oh yeah.... I forgot something.... People have said that since Cena stepped down the ratings have dropped! Prove to me that the drop in ratings has nothing to do with the draft and everything to do with Cena!

 

[BooCocky]

Booo! Cena is a great disappointment.... Face facts... He got something he was not ready for... Are you getting this from TV or a live show.... Cause the last show I remember seeing Cena was boo'd out.... But the replay of raw all I could hear was this little kid sceaming for him.....I was sitting near that little kid... I was shouting break his neck again... where was my voice? I was louder and closer.... But this little kid was heard throught the entire show!

WWE edits the croud reaction! thats why Jericho is dead in canada... he gets the largest pop of everyone...

Cena is still heavily boo'd.... WWE just doesn't want people to hear the true re-action!

Alright, so lemme get this straight, you are saying they edit a Live Broadcast? Yes, it isn't always live, but do you honestly believe they can edit out boo's within like 7 seconds? I don't believe it is possible. I've been to several shows, he gets a pop, a pretty good one at that. Actually, more than likely it'll be a top 3 pop.

Also, on your other post, when Cena was champ, and even before that, the ratings nearly hit a four. Then he got put in a lower feud, tried to give the spot to HHH and Orton and the ratings dropped. I don't recall the exact date, but I am sure I could find it out. Happened right before Wrestlemania.

Your hate for John Cena is ridiculous. You have yet to prove anything as to why you dislike him. You give some bullshit excuse on editing crowd reactions. Which seems pretty hard. Editing a whole crowd within 10 seconds would be a remarkable feat.

People can seem to grasp that John Cena is one hell of a entertainer/wrestler. He's produced some of the best matches the last 3 years or so. He's gotten the best match out of several superstars. I'll name a few, Khali, JBL, Umaga, Edge, and Bobby Lashley. That is a remarkable feature. John Cena is a star, and everyone knows that. It's just people like you who can't seem to grasp it in there little head. Just go watch and listen to another boring Morrison promo, while listening, you can hear the viewers televisions turning off.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Oh yeah.... I forgot something.... People have said that since Cena stepped down the ratings have dropped! Prove to me that the drop in ratings has nothing to do with the draft and everything to do with Cena!

It's obvious that Cena not being in the main event has caused a drop in ratings. You think WWE will wake up and realize that Orton will never have an impact in the business as much as Cena has and will continue to have. I like Orton as much as the next guy, but he has been boring so far in 2009. I prefer the cocky, arrogant Orton from 2005-2006 much better. Fact is that the ratings were high when Cena champ and has dropped when he hasn't. He puts on the best matches in the past five years and still gets huge reactions from the crowd and displays great ring psychology. Orton could have great ring psychology too if he didn't oversell every single hit.

 

[Zardoz]

Oh yeah.... I forgot something.... People have said that since Cena stepped down the ratings have dropped! Prove to me that the drop in ratings has nothing to do with the draft and everything to do with Cena!

dude cena is the best there is he is raitings he is everything wwe stends for
and if u want aprove that cena is raitings then here it is ;

* 9:00 - 3.23 - (Orton/Batista In Ring Opening)
* 9:15 - 3.12 - (Batista vs. Legacy)
* 9:30 - 3.29 - (Maryse and Jillian vs. Mickie James and Kelly, Chavo and Vickie Talk, In Ring PPV Hype)
* 9:45 - 3.20 - (Batista Attacks DiBiase, Kendrick vs. Carlito, Big Show Ring Entrance)
* 10:00 - 3.55 - (John Cena vs. Miz, Rhodes Searches For Batista and gets Beat Down, Santina in Vickie's Office)
* 10:15 - 3.29 - (Cole and King Discuss Batista Attacking Legacy, Beth vs. Santina)
* 10:30 - 3.16 - (Cena Interview, MVP Lounge, MVP and Kofi vs. Matt and Regal)
* 10:45 - 3.17 - (MVP and Kofi vs. Matt and Regal Continued, Orton Ring Entrance)
* Overrun - 3.89 - (Orton vs. Batista (it sucked )

even when raitings are down and low Cena is R A W ! no metter if he midcarder or Main event .
i can bet that if it was cena v orton it could be much bigger then this steroid pillow batista.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

In order for me to take Cena seriously, he's going to have to start washing his t-shirts in hot water...or just wear a size that doesn't make him look like an unsupervised 8 year-old getting dress in the morning.

I mean, seriously. Would it really hurt to wear a shirt that fits? He looks like a slob. He's supposed to be the face of the company, and therefore, he needs to look like one.

 

[Chrisjeffers]

oK.... but what about other wrestlers leaving Raw??? Smackdown is the better show now.... Everyone on raw has been over used and now people are only watching it because its wrestling..... Cena is just a popular wrestler..... I believe matt hardy got his job back because of it!

Cena is a modern day Hogan.... To a Tee.... And this is probably what reaction hogan would get!

I was at the show..... I screamed at Cena..... I watched the replay..... I heard the kid.... AND ONLY THE KID!

 

[falconsault]

oK.... but what about other wrestlers leaving Raw??? Smackdown is the better show now.... Everyone on raw has been over used and now people are only watching it because its wrestling..... Cena is just a popular wrestler..... I believe matt hardy got his job back because of it!

Cena is a modern day Hogan.... To a Tee.... And this is probably what reaction hogan would get!

I was at the show..... I screamed at Cena..... I watched the replay..... I heard the kid.... AND ONLY THE KID!

I don't know if I missed something here or not, but you believe Matt Hardy got his job back because of what?

The reason for Smackdown being better right now is because the angles are somewhat fresher. Everyone's seen most of what RAW has to offer, and well Orton/World is rather boring in my opinion.

Cena is a modern day Hogan, and that's a great compliment because Hogan was huge in his day, only thing is Cena's not talking about saying your prayers and eating your vitamins. And in today's society, you could possibly be right that this might be what kind of reaction Hogan would get, though I highly doubt it.

You only heard the kid because the child is louder than you are. High pitched voices are picked up better on the microphones in the arenas against a voice with more bass in it. So let's recap here on this one. They don't edit live television, but you can't be heard because the mics pick up children voice tones better than yours.

And you can't say that they censored you, because as we all can remember back in the day of the Attitude Era when USA would censor something, all sound went away for that moment.

Also what's with the .... that you use constantly? Where is the correct punctuation? Sorry it's been bugging me since I started reading your posts on this thread.

 

[SavageTaker]

Why John Cena is one of the best wrestlers and entertainers there is today in my opinion.​

I am not one of the Cena haters and I obviously have different beliefs about John Cena than they do. I believe he is one of the best wrestlers and entertainers there is today. He is also arguably one of the best that has ever lived in my opinion. If I was to make a list he would either be number 2 or 3 on my list.

One of the main reasons why he is one of the best at what he does is because he does his job to the best of his abilities and always tried hard to entertain the fans no matter how much the boo him. He doesn’t care if you are booing him, he will still try and entertain you and possibly change your mind about him. He has passion and love for wrestling and it shows no matter how much the fans try to hate him.

I like that John Cena has passion and love for wrestling unlike some other wrestlers. There has been many wrestlers that have came and gone and you never could feel some type of connection with them and that’s because they truly didn’t care about wrestling or its fans. I feel I have some type of weird connection with John because he actually cares about his fans and he cares about the fans that don’t care about him too.

He also catches a lot of heat for only doing 5 apparent moves. These moves have been nicknames the “5 moves of doom”. I could not disagree more with the people that don’t like him or hate him because he only does 5 apparent moves. His job is to be an entertainer. In my opinion he is one of the best entertainers there is in professional wrestling. He might only do 5 apparent moves but in my opinion that is more than enough moves to accomplish what his goal is. He doesn’t need 50 moves in his arsenal or 100 and not even 1000 to be one of the best entertainers. When he uses does 5 moves he uses them to entertain. I have always felt entertained by him even when only does 5 moves and I don’t think the amount of moves a wrestlers does should determine how good of a wrestler or how good of an entertainer they are.

Now on to another reason why I like John Cena and consider him one of the best wrestlers/entertainers there is today. His promos. He knows how to handle the stick and has some of the best promos there is today. He is not my number 1 favorite promo cutter but he is definitely on my top 10 list of my favorite promo cutters. He always has some very good intensity when doing his promos and when given some of the cheesiest lines he is still good. More than half the times you will buy into what he is saying and in my opinion he makes people believe what he is saying.

These are only some of my reasons on why John Cena is one of the best wrestlers and entertainers there is today in my opinion. I would like to know why some of you think he is one of the best too but I would like to know why some of you think he is the worst. Hopefully we can start a debate here.

 

[Andres_cena]

Well, i think you're pulling it way to high. Cena IS good yet not nearly the level that others are. Here are a couple of my points of view

His passion for the business
Yes, he certainly has passion for the wrestling business but as of late it has seemed to me that he's been trying to simulalte the rock steps, he's said in countless interviews that "He'll never do what rock did and he'll be always in the ring" Yet he's made 2 movies and doesn't seem to be stopping anytime soon, also all those media calls to the rock could simply be to make some publicity out of his name and become a movie star like rocky did. And yes, even if he doesn't go to movies he does have passion for the business yet he's not really the one with most passion ever. When you're at the spotlight and getting payed well it should be easy to "have passion" about it. I would like to see John having the same passion being in Kane's position, or being a jobber. There's certain guys such as Kane, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn michaels that, in my eyes, have way more passion for the business than cena does. Just look at michaels, he keeps hurting from his back and knees everytime he comes back yet he does because he knows wrestling needs him, sacrifice himself for the fans. Kane has been a mid-low card wrestler for a LONG time and he hasn't complained or stopped once in his life. he keeps giving the fans what they want and pushing up new stars. Triple H as much as he can be flamed for abusing his position is always looking to entertain the crowds and studying the business and trying to improve the product.

His wrestling skills
I think cena has showed us he can wrestle when he's given the chance yet he's not nearly the best, and the whole "he only needs 5 moves to entertain the crowd" is a total overstatement. Yes, those moves cause controversy and a reaction in the crowd yet you can't live out of that. Cena needs to improve his move list, add some suplexes, a couple high spots and some power house moves and he'll do fine. Yet he wouldn't be anywhere near the levels of jericho, undertaker, shawn michaels and so.

His promos
I gotta disagree in this one, every promo cena does is the same hulk hogan wanna be kind of promos, and when he doens't do that he just yells as loud as he can to pretend he's having a reaction. Not anywhere as good and as storytelling as shawn michaels or chris jerichos promos.

 

[rayisawesomeness]

I agree 100%, he has had some amazing matches over the year.

vs. Triple H
vs. Shawn Michaels
vs. Edge
vs. Randy Orton
vs. Kurt Angle
vs. Chris Jericho

and don't say he was "carried" because he has had some great matches with the guys with not as much talent as the ones listed above

vs. Umaga
vs. Khali
vs. Lashley (Loved their GAB match)
vs. JBL

The bottom line is he's a damn good wrestler and entertainer. Period.

 

[raptorsfan4life]

i agree with some of the stuff that you said but not all of it...i like cena, he's not my favourite but i still like him and don't think that he deserves the hatred he gets.... let's face it, we know what he is and what he'll be... he's the modern version of hogan.... not as effective obviously but he's the modern version.... he's a babyface that will overcome challenges against heels when he's down and out.... the problem that people don't understand about him is that hogan was marketed towards kids in those days as well... eat your vitamins/ say your prayers and don't do drugs is not targeted towards 30 year olds.... so in that sense they are the same..... i think cena's wrestling ability however either deteriorated or management told him to stick to a few moves... i have some ppv's & matches from early on in cena's career and he actually did some good moves and had good matches... check no mercy 2002 with kurt....his promos r good but not great but in my opinion really noone has good promos these days other than shawn michaels.....cena's good definately not the best but he's perfect in his role and is exactly what the wwe needs and should have as their guy

 

[LokiCobain]

One of the main reasons why he is one of the best at what he does is because he does his job to the best of his abilities and always tried hard to entertain the fans no matter how much the boo him. He doesn’t care if you are booing him, he will still try and entertain you and possibly change your mind about him. He has passion and love for wrestling and it shows no matter how much the fans try to hate him.

I like that John Cena has passion and love for wrestling unlike some other wrestlers. There has been many wrestlers that have came and gone and you never could feel some type of connection with them and that’s because they truly didn’t care about wrestling or its fans. I feel I have some type of weird connection with John because he actually cares about his fans and he cares about the fans that don’t care about him too.

Trying hard and having a passion doesn't make him a good wrestler. It's like having a nice swing in baseball, but if you strike out at every at bat you're not suddenly the greatest person in the league. Having a passion for baseball won't win you Most Valuable Player honors, or a spot in the Hall of Fame. I can give you entertainer for this, but passion and motivation have nothing to do with actual abilities.

He also catches a lot of heat for only doing 5 apparent moves. These moves have been nicknames the “5 moves of doom”. I could not disagree more with the people that don’t like him or hate him because he only does 5 apparent moves. His job is to be an entertainer. In my opinion he is one of the best entertainers there is in professional wrestling. He might only do 5 apparent moves but in my opinion that is more than enough moves to accomplish what his goal is. He doesn’t need 50 moves in his arsenal or 100 and not even 1000 to be one of the best entertainers. When he uses does 5 moves he uses them to entertain. I have always felt entertained by him even when only does 5 moves and I don’t think the amount of moves a wrestlers does should determine how good of a wrestler or how good of an entertainer they are.

Now on to another reason why I like John Cena and consider him one of the best wrestlers/entertainers there is today. His promos. He knows how to handle the stick and has some of the best promos there is today. He is not my number 1 favorite promo cutter but he is definitely on my top 10 list of my favorite promo cutters. He always has some very good intensity when doing his promos and when given some of the cheesiest lines he is still good. More than half the times you will buy into what he is saying and in my opinion he makes people believe what he is saying.

I would rather argue that he has more than 5 moves, than say that only 5 moves is okay. I think I'm starting to catch your drift, which is that you're equating wrestler with superstar, which WWE has made the distinction between apparently. As far as actual wrestling goes, they need more than 5 moves. Chris Benoit may not have had the best promos, but he could wrestle. Hulk Hogan had the great promos, but couldn't really wrestle too well. You could make an argument that Cena is one of the most popular superstars or wrestlers ever, but to say he's one of the "best" would imply he could actually execute moves, which he doesn't.

I'll agree on entertainer, but definitely not on wrestler. Even in match caliber, Cena hasn't had great matches. People loved Big Show vs Cena, but more because he got thrown through something. He doesn't have the kind of matches the Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, The Rock etc have, but rather has more "moments" that Hulk Hogan had (Bodyslamming Andre the Giant/FU'ing Big Show...the first time), even though he hasn't really racked up many moments. The best wrestlers in the business are capable of doing both, The Rock as a prime example, and I don't see John Cena anywhere near him in in-ring ability.

 

[Wakers]

John Cena a good wrestler?

Oh lord, Curt Hennig is turning over in his grave

He is appalling in the ring. Look at his matches with the Big Show, Orton..even Jericho struggles to get a decent match out of him.

Terrible wrestling skills.

 

[SavageTaker]

Trying hard and having a passion doesn't make him a good wrestler. It's like having a nice swing in baseball, but if you strike out at every at bat you're not suddenly the greatest person in the league. Having a passion for baseball won't win you Most Valuable Player honors, or a spot in the Hall of Fame. I can give you entertainer for this, but passion and motivation have nothing to do with actual abilities.

I never stated that trying hard and having passion for the business makes you a good wrestler.

I would rather argue that he has more than 5 moves, than say that only 5 moves is okay. I think I'm starting to catch your drift, which is that you're equating wrestler with superstar, which WWE has made the distinction between apparently.

I know he has more than 5 moves. That's why I stated 5 apparent moves. People seem to think he only does 5 moves throughout a whole match, which isn't true.

I don't usually like calling them Superstars. What they go out and do every night is wrestle. Therefore in my opinion they should be called wrestlers not Superstars.

As far as actual wrestling goes, they need more than 5 moves. Chris Benoit may not have had the best promos, but he could wrestle. Hulk Hogan had the great promos, but couldn't really wrestle too well.

Hulk Hogan could most definetly wrestle very well. Look at some of his matches and show me one time he botched or messed up a move. The answer you will find is that almost never did he mess up or botch his moves. He perfected his wrestling abilities and he hardly messed up. That's one thing Cena has done too. He may perform 5 apparent moves but he has perfected them and very rarely will you seem him botch his moves.

You could make an argument that Cena is one of the most popular superstars or wrestlers ever, but to say he's one of the "best" would imply he could actually execute moves, which he doesn't.

So you are saying that he doesn't perform or do his moves? If this was the case (which is isn't) then he would lose every match since he couldn't execute his moves.

I'll agree on entertainer, but definitely not on wrestler. Even in match caliber, Cena hasn't had great matches.

I would disagree with the statement that Cena hasn't had great matches. He has had quite a few already and I'm sure he'll have a lot of great matches in the future.

People loved Big Show vs Cena, but more because he got thrown through something. He doesn't have the kind of matches the Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, The Rock etc have, but rather has more "moments" that Hulk Hogan had (Bodyslamming Andre the Giant/FU'ing Big Show...the first time), even though he hasn't really racked up many moments. The best wrestlers in the business are capable of doing both, The Rock as a prime example, and I don't see John Cena anywhere near him in in-ring ability.

Cena is still very young so you have to give some time and you will see that he will have some great matches in the future. In my opinion not only will he have some "moments" like Hulk Hogan but he will also have some good matches.

 

[BillAlfonso]

Everyone talks about his five moves, but remember, some of the biggest in the business only had around five moves.

Examples:

The Rock: The Rock Bottom, The People's Elbow, Spinebuster leading to The People's Elbow, Floatover DDT, and Layin' The Smack Down/The People's Punch.

Stone Cold Steve Austin: Stone Cold Stunner, run to the ropes then stomp toward the downed opponent while flipping him off then drop an elbow, place opponent on the second rope then run to the other rope and come back to jump on his neck, Million Dollar Dream(he only used it as Stone Cold when he was feeling saucy).

Hulk Hogan: No need to mention him.

Ric Flair: Figure Four, chops, The Flair Flip(one of the most awesome in my opinion).

The Undertaker: Tombstone, The Last Ride, Old School(I thought it was awesome until I one of those japanese guys that Hyabusa or Suzaki, he fought RVD and Sabu and Heatwave '98, walk around all four corners).

The only difference with Cena is that he always pulls that Hulk Hogan thing where if it's a 20 minute match, he gets his ass kick for 17.5 minutes and takes 2.5 mounting an impressive comeback. It's predictable and lacks any real action witch brings me to my point, Cena is really hated because he represent the state that WWE and wrestling as a whole is in.