The *Official* John Cena Thread

[MetaphoriK]

If ya'll hate Cena so much, just stop watching. No one is making you watch wrestling. Cena is just like Hogan and the Rock. Not the best wrestlers, but they were over with the crowd and sold a ton of merchandise. IWC needs to get over themselves.

I personally no longer watch WWE anymore I decided that after Wrestlemania 25, if I'm not as blown away and given a rush as wrestling used to give me that I would stop watching WWE. I do however still watch TNA, but even that is getting harder, I just hope that TNA gets better so that I don't have to give up watching wrestling all together...

But back to the topic of Cena, he isn't the Rock or Hogan, even tho he sells t-shirts. in Hogan's era, a fireman's carry of doom finisher might have been acceptable, but not now. When it comes to the Rock, Cena never had half of his charisma, even though I thought Cena was cool when he actually used to try to rap.

 

[RicSpade]

Its that the fans are telling u what we wanna see, but WWE wants to shove the good guy Cena down our throats...Lets travel back in time to the debut of Rocky maivia. He was this cocky face, who you expected to kiss babies and be this great role model and what did you end up getting? "Die Rocky Die" But once he had a heel turn with the nation he became a phenomenon, its the same with Hogan, when his face antics and storylines became stale we got a dose of Hollywood and let Hogan survive in the wrestling world another 10 years basically.

With that being said the world of WWE needs to quit worrying about little whiney brats with there foam you can't see me hands and there HLR shirts, and focus on making Cena more marketable for the moment and then you can push another face turn, but right now you need Cena as a heel

 

[jmt225]

The only negative thing I need to say about Cena is that he has been booked absolutely horribly since his return at the Royal Rumble 2008. Seriously, WWE just keeps dropping the ball over and over again with this guy.

I know as you're reading that you're probably thinking to yourself that I'm one of those ******s who yell for Cena to be heel and all that nonsense, but no... that's not the case at all. I love babyface John Cena, and my problem is that WWE hasn't "pushed him down our throats" enough. They make him look like a pussy week after fucking week and it pisses me off. The year he held the title was spectacular. All his matches and promos were awesome, and the crowd ate up every second of it. Whether they booed or cheered, they couldn't get enough of John Cena. And that’s how Cena should be being booked right now.

But for some reason WWE acts as if we can't get enough of HHH, Orton, and Batista (whenever these fucks are healthy, that is). Man... fuck those guys. I don't mind Orton too much, but HHH and Batista? They're not half the face Cena is and it pisses me off how they're continuously booked to look stronger than him on a consistent basis.

So yeah... Cena being made to look like a bitch and one WWE's weakest top guys is the problem I have with him. But other than that... I think he's great. Nearly all his matches are superb, and the guy brings it every single week. You can't ask more from a wrestler than that.

 

[Rusty]

Great thread, and I'm going to have a lot of fun in here.

Its that the fans are telling u what we wanna see, but WWE wants to shove the good guy Cena down our throats...Lets travel back in time to the debut of Rocky maivia. He was this cocky face, who you expected to kiss babies and be this great role model and what did you end up getting? "Die Rocky Die" But once he had a heel turn with the nation he became a phenomenon, its the same with Hogan, when his face antics and storylines became stale we got a dose of Hollywood and let Hogan survive in the wrestling world another 10 years basically.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but who was the most influential superstar in the history of sports entertainment and professional wrestling? Hulk Hogan. Not Hollywood Hulk Hogan. He is the biggest superstar in the history of this business, because he was such a great babyface. He was way past his prime during his heel reign. Saying Hogan was better or bigger when he was a heel is the stupidiest statement I've ever seen on this Forum.

With that being said the world of WWE needs to quit worrying about little whiney brats with there foam you can't see me hands and there HLR shirts, and focus on making Cena more marketable for the moment and then you can push another face turn, but right now you need Cena as a heel

Yeah man, let's completely forget about making money, and becoming a successful company in terms of financial wise (which is the most important thing of all), to please our loyal internet fans who make up about 5% of our audience. These "whiny little brats" are much more important than pleasing people who shit on everything the WWE does every week. These guys are even dissing Legacy now. I mean, seriously what the fuck DOES please the IWC? They don't even know what they want themselves. Cena does not need to turn heel. He still gets the biggest reaction from the fans, he is the top draw in the company, he sells the most merchandise in the company, and he is the company's top babyface.

I've yet to receive a good argument about why Cena should turn heel. That "to make him feel fresh" thing is complete bullshit. Edge has been a heel since 2004, and nobody seems to want him to turn babyface. Same goes for Orton. But I guess, heels are "cooler", hey?

You smarks are all the same. Every single one of you.

 

[moonie961]

i have a lot of respect for cena both as a person and as a wrestler. i own his rap cd, the marine on dvd and some of his posters. i am a fan of his but i think he does get rammed down our throats 24/7. even tho he is a main event superstar, he should have a little time off. and wwe need 2 stop giving him the title everytime he comes back from an injury or if ratings slip. he is a good man, great merch seller, great spokesperson for the wwe.... may not be the best wrestler but he still sells with the kids. i say turn him heel and bring back his rapping skills!!!

 

[shafe_41]

Another Cena Sucks thread? Holy ja-moly!!! Original! Mad props!!!

WTF??? You can't swing a cat without hitting a Cena Sucks thread in here anymore.

It's been said and done over and over and over again. The Cena character sucks. We all know that. In the future, our children are going to know Cena Sucks before they can say "Da-Da" the way everybody slams his character. I for one also hate his character but until he gives us something new to work with, this is what we have so why sit around and bitch about something we've already tolerated for about 3 years and have zero control of changing? Where's it going to get us? A whole lot of nowherez. I got tired of hating Cena during the title reign that happened during WM23. I thought that MAYBE HBK would be able to pull out that match and get one last healthy title reign for his career. But we knew that didn't happen. So during that whole title reign, each match was a possible loss for Cena but he kept getting booked to go over. So after awhile, I said "f*ck it, cheer him" because Cena's dropping of that title wasn't going to happen anytime soon. Obviously he eventually lost it, but it was all like when you're having a bad day and everything sucks for you, after awhile...anything else that goes wrong is almost comical and you're ready to accept it. That's a Cena title reign. A bad day that after awhile just leads into "this is hilarious and I can't change it... time to accept it."

But John Cena the man, everybody should respect. I don't need the laundry list of things he does for the business and whatnot because everybody knows he's a promotional machine, is probably super-human and doesn't sleep, and his work with Make-A-Wish is the coolest shit he can do. I've never heard a bad word about the man and I doubt I ever will.

But I think it really is time to just buck up and accept the fact Cena's character is going nowhere and bitching about it really just gets annoying.

 

[Slyfox696]

I can't start my own thread as I haven't completed the required 10 posts, but wanted to let everyone know about my recent encounter with John Cena. Admittedly I've always found Cena to be entertaining, and after hearing multiple good accounts of encounters with fans, I was somewhat a fan myself (at least respecting the man, if not the character).

However, on Friday, my family and I were flying out of Buffalo airport. While waiting for our flight, who do I see walk by, but Cena. I turn to my wife and say "does that look like John Cena??"; she said it did look like him. Stunned that he would be in Buffalo, I took pursuit. I caught up with him and started walking beside him. Finding the situation somewhat surreal, I said to him: "sorry to bother you, this is probably a stupid question". Without breaking stride, or even looking at me, he said "yep, it probably will be a stupid question". Carrying on, I asked "are you John Cena?". Again, without the slightest acknowledgment, he said "yep, I am". Trying to explain the oddness of the situation, I said to him "I just find it odd seeing you in Buffalo". He said "that appears to be where I am"; and just kept walking.

I couldn't believe what a total, utter douche nozzle he is in real life. Admittedly, he could have been having a bad day, and I could tell by the time the flight came in that he was running somewhat late for the show the must have had that night; but he went out of his way to be a sarcastic dick. He could have just said, sorry, I'm running late; and I would have been more than fine with that. Instead, he showed his true colors of being just another punk kid with too much fame and not enough emotional maturity and intelligence to handle it. On a good note though, stunned, and on my way back to my boarding area, I saw Big Show (Class act! I knew he was running late, but he offered to stop, shake my hand and take a pic with me, as did Bastista). I was completely floored by Cena - this kid is a level 9 douche.

You know, it's real easy to say a guy is a jerk when you talk to him for 30 seconds and ask him stupid ridiculous questions that he probably has to answer 75 times every day, while he's on the way to board a plane to do his job.

Do you seriously lack objectivity? He doesn't know you at all, he's trying to get to work, he's probably already been working several hours, he probably answers your question multiple times a day, and you're going to get upset because you asked stupid questions?

Hell, if you and I were friends and you asked me those same questions, I probably would have said the same thing he did. Your questions were stupid, and came at a time when he was more than likely busy and trying to get to work. Don't get upset at Cena because you ask stupid ridiculous questions. The funniest part is how you KNEW they were going to be stupid questions, and you still asked them...and he knew they were going to be stupid too.


It has been reported MANY times how nice of a guy Cena really is, and the things he does for people. I still remember the story of when he was at a gym working out, and there was this little girl (around 5 or 6 years old, if I remember correctly) who recognized Cena, but despite the fact that her mom encouraged her to go over and say hi, the girl was too shy. Cena spotted the shy little girl, and took about 10 minutes out of his day during his workout to go over and say hi to the little girl and talk to her.

That's TRUE class. And you trying to say he's classless because you asked him stupid questions makes me laugh at you.

 

[klunderbunker]

Let me make sure I got this straight.

You're upset when he answered the following question: are you who I think you are? What would you have preferred he say? "Nope, not John Cena. I'm really the ghost of Abraham Lincoln and I'm going to haunt you for the rest of your life before dragging you down to hell so Satan can feast on your sould forever and ever." You asked if he was someone, then said something that could come off as implying he had no business being in that town. If he wants to be in Buffalo that's his own business. Is he not allowed to be in Buffalo if he wants to be?

Not to mention, you got to speak for a former World Champion. He could have said Chipmunks and I'd have marked out. He's a professional wrestler and the biggest in the world at the moment and you got to speak to him. He spoke to you, meaning he acknowledged you. seriously, what were you expecting?

 

[bushmills]

You know, it's real easy to say a guy is a jerk when you talk to him for 30 seconds and ask him stupid ridiculous questions that he probably has to answer 75 times every day, while he's on the way to board a plane to do his job.

Do you seriously lack objectivity? He doesn't know you at all, he's trying to get to work, he's probably already been working several hours, he probably answers your question multiple times a day, and you're going to get upset because you asked stupid questions?

Hell, if you and I were friends and you asked me those same questions, I probably would have said the same thing he did. Your questions were stupid, and came at a time when he was more than likely busy and trying to get to work. Don't get upset at Cena because you ask stupid ridiculous questions. The funniest part is how you KNEW they were going to be stupid questions, and you still asked them...and he knew they were going to be stupid too.


It has been reported MANY times how nice of a guy Cena really is, and the things he does for people. I still remember the story of when he was at a gym working out, and there was this little girl (around 5 or 6 years old, if I remember correctly) who recognized Cena, but despite the fact that her mom encouraged her to go over and say hi, the girl was too shy. Cena spotted the shy little girl, and took about 10 minutes out of his day during his workout to go over and say hi to the little girl and talk to her.

That's TRUE class. And you trying to say he's classless because you asked him stupid questions makes me laugh at you.

Oh dear, someone is laughing at me over the internet. Now I have been properly admonished. Anyway, for those not grounded to their parent's basement....

You raise valid points. I suppose my intent behind my original post was that I can completely understand him (them) being busy. It was the way he responded that I took umbridge with. He could have taken the high road and just said "sorry, I'm real late"; and I could have completely appreciated that. It was the fact that he went out of his way to be an idiot, that irked, and disappointed me. Admittedly, the airport is not the best place to approach these folks, but in a very real sense, that's why their paid exponentially more than most of us. Same concept as all celebrities - their paid more in money in fame, with the understanding that their private lives are greatly diminished. Just my two cents.

Sorry, just have to laugh at that slyfox kid again. Don't worry bud, puberty will hit eventually and the other one will drop. You'll get there.

 

[bushmills]

Let me make sure I got this straight.

You're upset when he answered the following question: are you who I think you are? What would you have preferred he say? "Nope, not John Cena. I'm really the ghost of Abraham Lincoln and I'm going to haunt you for the rest of your life before dragging you down to hell so Satan can feast on your sould forever and ever." You asked if he was someone, then said something that could come off as implying he had no business being in that town. If he wants to be in Buffalo that's his own business. Is he not allowed to be in Buffalo if he wants to be?

Not to mention, you got to speak for a former World Champion. He could have said Chipmunks and I'd have marked out. He's a professional wrestler and the biggest in the world at the moment and you got to speak to him. He spoke to you, meaning he acknowledged you. seriously, what were you expecting?

"Former World Champion"?? Ummm, you do know wrestling is scripted right bud?

These people are just like us and while some are prone to "marking out", I just wanted to thank him for entertaining me. I asked him if he was John Cena, as many people walk through airports and many people look like others. Admittedly I may have been a stupid question, but that's why I prefaced it as such. Anyway, I seem to be getting drawn into an embarassing internet battle with people I don't really want to associate with, so for those who were mature in their responses, I thank you. For the rest, I wish you the best.

 

[Slyfox696]

Oh dear, someone is laughing at me over the internet. Now I have been properly admonished. Anyway, for those not grounded to their parent's basement....

You're right. I wish I could be as cool as you, complaining about someone you don't know on the Internet where he'll never read it. Clearly, you are just in a class way above the rest of us.

You raise valid points.

I usually do.

I suppose my intent behind my original post was that I can completely understand him (them) being busy.

No, you're intent was to piss and moan because a celebrity called you stupid because you asked stupid questions. Let's not kid ourselves.

It was the way he responded that I took umbridge with.

It's spelled "umbrage". Thanks.

And I'm sure he took offense to someone trying to take up his time asking stupid questions. So, it's kind of a wash.

He could have taken the high road and just said "sorry, I'm real late"; and I could have completely appreciated that.

Or you could have just not bothered him, or you could have started your conversation with him with something other than "this is probably a stupid question".

Why should he have to worry about your feelings when you make yourself look stupid?

It was the fact that he went out of his way to be an idiot, that irked, and disappointed me.

He went out of his way? By your own admission he responded "without breaking stride, or even looking at me". How did he go out of his way to be rude to you? If anything, you went out of YOUR way to be rude to him, and waste his time with your stupid questions.

Admittedly, the airport is not the best place to approach these folks

Then don't take offense when you don't get the desired result of a conversation.

I fail to see your point in this. You go running up to someone who doesn't know you, at a place you agree isn't a good place to converse, start your conversation with "this is probably a stupid question"...and you want to be upset at him for not taking you seriously?

I guess taking full responsibility for making yourself look like a fool is just too much to ask of people.

but in a very real sense, that's why their paid exponentially more than most of us.

No, Cena is paid exponentially more than most of us because the job he does makes his employer exponentially more than what most of us make for our employer.

Sorry, just have to laugh at that slyfox kid again. Don't worry bud, puberty will hit eventually and the other one will drop. You'll get there.

It must suck to be have your entire argument made to look completely ridiculous by a 10 year old. It's ok, I'm sure your ego will recover.

 

[tha_icon85]

Wow rusty justd burned this thread, and I feel him. 3m not a cena fan nor a cena hater. I do get tired of the hulk hoganese impression he had to keep doin and I think the IWC wants the heel turn because heels are cooler and whn cena was rapping heel ppl fell in love wit him. I dnt like tht the guy make a marine movies and does a few tribute to the troops and become apart of the reserves, u can appreciate the armed forces witout joinin up. he lost that swagger he once had and is this decade hulkster, but eeing as only 5% of the wwe fanbase are internet fans and little kids love cena and make there parents spend loads of cash on him then they are doin whts rite for business. I went to raw a few months back and it was cena crazy and he did even come cuz he was doin the tonight show. I boo his promo package and almost got jumpd by 7 3 ft cenas lmao. just like in the 80s I liked flair more than hogan but if I were starting a promotion I wud choose hogan cuz that's were the cash is and I wud choose cena now over anyone in the wwe and Im a huge orton fan. cena = millions.

ps. stop hating on legacy, two months and a month agoo everyone luvd them now yall want the brian kendick as wsorld champion. also quit hating on MVP people on here wanted him in the ME picture now he's stale. This from the same people that want jeff and matt hardy to be the top stars with the company. these two cudnt cut a decent promo to save there lives(or there dog)!!!

 

[Smart Mark]

John Cena's ear lobes are too fat, the proportionality of his fingers to his hands is sickening, and his dictation is like that of a elementary school student.

 

[travistragic]

No offense, Rusty, but you should think about what you are extrapolating from other people's posts before you attack them. RicSpade never even remotely implied that Hollywood Hogan was bigger than 80's era Hogan.

Also, while it might cause a minor merchandising inconvenience for the moment, it would be better for Cena's career to prove he can handle a main event heel run. All of the true greats in the business have had at least one (Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH, HBK, Angle), and in the long run it makes their merchandising capabilities broader to fit both spectrums of fanbases.

That being said, I'd much rather see a Batista heel turn or an Orton or Edge antihero face turn, but only because I don't think Cena's really cut out to be a heel.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Rusty, in all due respect, why wouldn't the Cena heel turn work? He's purely babyface...the golden boy of WWE...then...he starts aligning himself with the likes of Vickie Guerrero. Boom...heat. Saying the fans never meant anything to him, etc etc etc. That's the classic formula.

 

[The Catacomb]

I hate John Cena's character, I don't hate the man. I think a heel turn is in order. Yes, merchandising might suffer for awhile, but, in pure entertainment value, it would be priceless. I almost feel sorry for Cena the man. I bet he wants to be a heel and is getting sick of being the ultimate face, but, the WWE won't let him. He's probably waiting for that day where he go out the curtain and have some real fun and do dirty deeds again. He probably wants to come out rapping and make fun of Funaki's cameltoe again just like the good ol' days. But alas, the PG WWE universe is gonna be the same for awhile. Oh, well. Here's to the Legacy picking up steam and getting dominate, I hope.

 

[Mendes]

i agree with people who think his gimmick is crap.

i dont mind his wrestling style or whatever but i just never got into his character.
his rapping gimmick was more intresting and hes good on the mic as a face or heel but he sells way too much merch right now to turn heel, which would lose the wwe a whole lot of money.

i really dont understand what his gimmick is ment to be though. is he the goodie two shoes of the wwe? doing the right thing all the time? to an extent yes but i woudnt say thats his overall gimmick.

he needs to modify his gimmick a bit. give him more of an edge, cut out the bad jokes, give him one huge memorable catchphrase to keep insted of a new one every month.
hustle loyalty respects probably his best one but its no, "WHAT?!", "austin 3:16" or "You will rest...in...piece" and "If ya smellllll, what the rock is cookin" which is what he really needs if hes to be the face of the company.

 

[Chrisjeffers]

I can't stand to hear his intro too much longer..... It makes me feel slightly ill to hear it!
People have told me to stop watching.... Just how long will WWE let OUR complaints go ignored? Do I really need to stop watching before something changes!

But to be fair Cena has been following the heel motto.... "If they don't buy a ticket to cheer you, they will buy a ticket to watch you get beat!"

It made me smile to watch him lose to Edge!

 

[Chrisjeffers]

1 more thing.... WWE is the number 1 company.... they can take a loss of income better then any other company....They did that with edge.... Hey write a book as a face..... then switch to heel.... Screw book sales.... What happened.... I believe it was Paul heymans opinion the he was the top heel and was holding the company.....

So... My opinion is that a heel turn for Cena would unit the Cena fans and the Anti-Cena Fans... Then just like the Rock.... Cheered or boo'd.... All depends on what WWE needs of him!

 

[Rusty]

No offense, Rusty, but you should think about what you are extrapolating from other people's posts before you attack them. RicSpade never even remotely implied that Hollywood Hogan was bigger than 80's era Hogan.

Well he said: "But once he had a heel turn with the nation he became a phenomenon, its the same with Hogan". He said the same applies with Hogan, meaning Hulk Hogan become a legend when he turned heel. This is obviously not the case.

Also, while it might cause a minor merchandising inconvenience for the moment, it would be better for Cena's career to prove he can handle a main event heel run. All of the true greats in the business have had at least one (Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH, HBK, Angle), and in the long run it makes their merchandising capabilities broader to fit both spectrums of fanbases.

Why would it be better for Cena's main event career? He is already the top dog in the company, so he doesn't have to prove anything more. In the future, I won't be against a Cena heel turn, but it should take place right now.

That being said, I'd much rather see a Batista heel turn or an Orton or Edge antihero face turn, but only because I don't think Cena's really cut out to be a heel.

Agreed.

Rusty, in all due respect, why wouldn't the Cena heel turn work? He's purely babyface...the golden boy of WWE...then...he starts aligning himself with the likes of Vickie Guerrero. Boom...heat. Saying the fans never meant anything to him, etc etc etc. That's the classic formula.

I never said it wouldn't work, but there are way too many negatives for him to turn heel at the present moment. Plus, it's not like there will be many fresh feuds for him as a babyface either. We've already seen Cena face Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Triple H, Shawn Michaels and Batista aren't getting any younger either, so it makes sense to keep him face if those three were to retire within the next few years. Though I doubt Triple H will retire anytime soon, but you get my point.

I hate John Cena's character, I don't hate the man. I think a heel turn is in order. Yes, merchandising might suffer for awhile, but, in pure entertainment value, it would be priceless. I almost feel sorry for Cena the man. I bet he wants to be a heel and is getting sick of being the ultimate face, but, the WWE won't let him.

Apparently he's entertaining right now, as he gets the loudest reactions from the audience. I fail to see how people think he is boring. He is playing his role perfectly as a babyface. And he probably doesn't care whether he's a heel or babyface, as he's become such a success as a babyface. No need to change a good thing.

He's probably waiting for that day where he go out the curtain and have some real fun and do dirty deeds again. He probably wants to come out rapping and make fun of Funaki's cameltoe again just like the good ol' days. But alas, the PG WWE universe is gonna be the same for awhile. Oh, well. Here's to the Legacy picking up steam and getting dominate, I hope.

Okay, so lets return him to a heel rapper. You know, the same gimmick he received when he was nothing more than a mid-carder. I'd say keep him the way he is now, with the more successful gimmick. And you want Legacy to dominate? Um, if you think Cena is boring than you opinion is completely invalid as there is nothing more boring than seeing Orton and company beat up another superstar, week after week after week after week. They are becoming as repetitive as Edge and the Major Brothers were, and they single handedly almost made me stop watching Smackdown in 2007/2008, due to being so damn repetitive and boring.

I can't stand to hear his intro too much longer..... It makes me feel slightly ill to hear it!
People have told me to stop watching.... Just how long will WWE let OUR complaints go ignored? Do I really need to stop watching before something changes!

Would the WWE listen to 5% of their audience, or the other 95% that sells out their arenas and buys their merchandise? I don't run a company, but I'd say 95 sounds like a bigger number than 5.

But to be fair Cena has been following the heel motto.... "If they don't buy a ticket to cheer you, they will buy a ticket to watch you get beat!"

He has? They buy a ticket to watch John Cena, plain and simple.

It made me smile to watch him lose to Edge!

Why? You really wanted Edge to win a 9th World Championship in 3 years. That's not repetitive at all.

1 more thing.... WWE is the number 1 company.... they can take a loss of income better then any other company....They did that with edge.... Hey write a book as a face..... then switch to heel.... Screw book sales.... What happened.... I believe it was Paul heymans opinion the he was the top heel and was holding the company.....

So fuck merchandise sales, let's please our internet fans who think it's cool to cheer the heels and boo the faces. If you had the chance to earn more money, would you? Or would you rather please some smarky internet fans who have nothing else better to do than to bitch on an internet forum about how they think wrestling should be like?

So... My opinion is that a heel turn for Cena would unit the Cena fans and the Anti-Cena Fans... Then just like the Rock.... Cheered or boo'd.... All depends on what WWE needs of him!

So, you're essentially saying Cena will become a smark darling if he turns heel. You may be right, but who will I debate with then? Life just won't be as exciting if he turns heel. But in all seriousness, John Cena should not turn heel anytime soon, but one day I can't see why he can't turn heel.

 

[The Todd]

Well another night of Cena NOT being the focus of the show. I wonder how long it is until the next person states he is being "shoved down our throat". Raw has been all about Legacy vs Batista/McMahon's and HHH since the turn of the year, no one seems to be complaining about this but still go on about it being all about Cena.

Last night he was on fire as usual and his backstage promo was brilliant. Yet he is still only in an upper mid card feud with Big Show for the upcoming PPV, with a likely programme with Miz afterwards. "Being shoved down our throats" indeed.

 

[Rusty]

Pebble, what about Edge? He's won 9 World Title in 3 years, but nobody complains about him. The guy could murder, rape, sexual assault and do every other crime in the book and the smarks will still forgive him. It makes me sick, because if there is anybody that has been shoved down our throats and who is always in the World Title picture on Smackdown, it's Edge. Don't even get me started on Randy Orton. The guy always opens and closes Raw every single damn week.

People still diss Cena, even though the WWE book him away from the WWE Championship and put him against a 500lbs giant. Yet, people still bitch and complain about why Cena should be a heel and all this other bullshit that goes against logic. If anything, John Cena this year has been ridiculous underutilized and has been booked carefully, to only please those smarks that boo him. If I had my way, he would have faced Randy Orton for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania, and he would have won that match.

But instead he was in a lousy triple threat match that nobody cared about. This whole "shoved down our throats" argument has been completely invalid for a long time now. And any Edge mark that says that phrase is the biggest hypocrite.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

All this "John Cena needs to turn heel" talk is getting tiring if you ask me. Sure the heel rapper gimmick was cool but it didn't get him into the main event. As Rusty said, if he turns heel the faces would be HBK, HHH, and Batista and those with the exception of Batista have been done too many times. He still hasn't had a proper one-on-one match with Randy Orton yet so I am anticipating that. He gets booed so much as a babyface anyway so it's not going to be majorly different. More importantly, if you turn him heel you will need a main-event face for the next 3-5 years and I don't see that in HHH or HBK and Batista isn't that good of a face anyways.

 

[The Todd]

Exactly. I only hope Cena is being saved for a big storyline to end the Age of Orton at SummerSlam because at the moment he is last in the queue of the three top faces on Raw. It sickens me how much Cena has not been part of the top of the show for a while.

His Royal Rumble defence the storyline was JBL and HBK. Cena was an afterthought. No Way Out he was in the natch a grand total of two minutes. WrestleMania the storyline was Show, Edge and Vickie. His blow off to his brilliant, three year feud with Edge was overshadowed by a 500lb piece of shit. And now he seems to be no where near the title scene. Yet he is shoved down our throats but Orton (every main event of Raw since the Vince punt, most three on one beat downs) and Edge (won or lost a title at every PPV since Survivor Series) isn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Edge's work but I, like you, fail to see how his exposure isn't overdone and Cena's is.

No doubt HHH vs Batista will be the summer feud on Raw, whilst Cena again will be overshadowed, when there is no one better at carrying the show than him.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

All this "John Cena needs to turn heel" talk is getting tiring if you ask me. Sure the heel rapper gimmick was cool but it didn't get him into the main event. As Rusty said, if he turns heel the faces would be HBK, HHH, and Batista and those with the exception of Batista have been done too many times. He still hasn't had a proper one-on-one match with Randy Orton yet so I am anticipating that. He gets booed so much as a babyface anyway so it's not going to be majorly different. More importantly, if you turn him heel you will need a main-event face for the next 3-5 years and I don't see that in HHH or HBK and Batista isn't that good of a face anyways.

I vehemently disagree with his Rapper gimmick "not being able to get him into the Main Event". Obviously, that was a Booker's decision on whether or not to push him into the Main Event with that character or not.

If he actually had an interaction with Vince McMahon, with Vince remaining in the ring with Cena running both him and Sable down, then clearly Cena was good enough to enter the Main Event in that particular gimmick.

Here is that segment, for a flashback.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDDEfARLwmQ


Cena was far more over as the Rapper with the crowds, than he is today. I think he could have actually been a pop culture icon if they would have continued that particular gimmick and propelled him into the Main Event. Why? Because he was edgy, he was a loner, and he possessed attitude, which is something fans tend to prefer in their gimmicks today. However, by the time he got to the Main Event, the Rap gimmick basically died, and he stopped doing his controversial raps. Therefore, once he entered the Main Event, he lost all that edginess. Combine that with giving him a Monster Push, and eventually we saw the fans turn on him in the Summer of 2005.

Basically, we go from Hulk Hogan to Steve Austin, back to another attempt at Hulk Hogan. And clearly the fans don't want to move backwards in that direction, again. Hogan will always receive a tremendous reaction, and still will outpop anyone on the current roster. However, that is only because of who he is and what he accomplished in his day. If Hulk Hogan was attempting to start his career off in this day and age, he wouldn't have been nearly as successful today in that particular gimmick, as opposed to back in the 80's.