The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Brilliant Human Being]

Cena is one of the best wrestlers/entertainers there is today. Why, you ask? Beacuse as superstars are now 'entertainers' instead of pro wresters' and the phrase to describe the WWE is 'sports entertainment' Cena is the perfect fit. Simply because he is the most entertaining wrestler around today. Think about it, after a Cena match on PPV, compare how may people come on here to talk about that compared to a Chavo Guererro match.

The man gets people talking, and he is the perfect fit for the new PG era WWE.Like him or not, Cena is the present and future of the WWE, provided he doesnt 'do a Rock' and go to acting.

And for all the 'Cena haters' out there (Omg i hate john cena hes so stoopid only little kids and women like him he only has five moves ffs) lets stop and think for a moment, and compare Cena to Hulk Hogan, the man who revolutionised wrestling. He won every match he had a with a LEG DROP ffs, and the crowd loved him for it. He was the most popular WWF superstar by a mile. How does this relate to Cena? Well to a certain extent, Cena is revolutionising wrestling for the PG era. The so called five moves of doom are exactly the kind of stuff he needs to get the crowd into the match. The fact is that they are enetertaining, and every Cena match we watch to see him, whether to see if we wins or loses.

Cena=money.

Lets face it, when your 7-12, the kind of demographic Vince is targeting here, you dont want to see a bunch of mat wrestling with some fancy submission moves thrown in there. You want to see the good guy win with something seemingly superhuman. Which is why Cena is the most influential superstar since The Rock/Austin, due to the sheer reach hes had.

 

[fktizle]

I don't like him. He is loved by the kids, but the only reason why people like him is because of who he was before. No doubt he's had some impressive feuds, but look at who he's been put with. Every single guy, even Kahli, had a gimmick and a story. Cena has been literally shoved down our throats. He beats everybody. Cena is no more than the Hogan of our time. Does that mean he can't make revenue, or isn't a good person? Of course not. He is the WWE's cash cow. Does that mean he's one of the best? By far. You talk about Cena, even after 4 years in the main event, he still has to kiss ass to get over every week, and even then, people still boo him. Steve Austin could have killed everybody and people would still blow the roof off if he arrived, same as The Rock.

To be honest, I think anybody could be like Cena. Anybody could go out there are talk up the crowd, win the World Title, be given commercials, merchandise, and movies, and have a mixed reaction from the fans. There is nothing too memorable about him.

 

[Razor]

I don't like him. He is loved by the kids, but the only reason why people like him is because of who he was before.

Not really. He was a heel before. Why would they like his face work based off of his heel work? This isn't Edge here. Cena fans tend to think through what makes him great, instead of just saying "He spears off ladders and Edge/Christian! OMG!"

Don't believe me? Wait for Edge's face turn. Even if he blows, people will love him. Why? Because of his heel work. It makes no sense at all.

No doubt he's had some impressive feuds, but look at who he's been put with. Every single guy, even Kahli, had a gimmick and a story.

..That's what wrestlers are supposed ta be...I don't understand. Unless you're trying to say Cena doesn't have a gimmick or story. He does. He's a marine who is there to prove he's the best and demand loyalty and respect. I don't understand what your point is.

Cena has been literally shoved down our throats.

Because the crowds love him. If they didn't, he'd be fired by now.

Unless you're speaking of Benjamin. He's been shoved down our throats for years, and just now he's been relegated to ECW. Thank god. Man couldn't carry a crowd if he threw Orton from a 50 foot scaffold.

He beats everybody. Cena is no more than the Hogan of our time.

He's your top face of the company. He's going to be commanding, he's going to be hard to beat. Your champions and top characters can't be beaten by everyone. Then they're not your champions or top wrestlers. They're just like everyone else.

Does that mean he can't make revenue, or isn't a good person? Of course not. He is the WWE's cash cow.

Why? The crowd loves him? Which means he's doing his job as a pro-wrestler? Oh ma gawd!

Does that mean he's one of the best? By far.

I'm sure this is a typo, given the rest of the paragraph. I'll wait to explode.

You talk about Cena, even after 4 years in the main event, he still has to kiss ass to get over every week, and even then, people still boo him.

HE'S A FACE. Faces love the crowd. He's not going to come out hating the crowd. That's what heels do. /facepalm

He gets booed because there are people who think it's cool to boo Cena, because Orton is FTW. Or it's because he is legitimately overplayed in the main-event. But his reactions have been cleaner as of yet after his latest string of feuds away from the title.

Steve Austin could have killed everybody and people would still blow the roof off if he arrived, same as The Rock.

Comparing Austin or the Rock to Cena is laughable. Austin and Rock reigned over the biggest boom in wrestling history. Once Austin and Rock left, the one-off fans left with them. You immediately sank from 7.0 ratings to less than half of that.

But who helped salvage the ratings? Cena. He's the hero of the new era. It says something when Cena's injuries cause the ratings to drop half a point until he returns.

To be honest, I think anybody could be like Cena. Anybody could go out there are talk up the crowd, win the World Title, be given commercials, merchandise, and movies, and have a mixed reaction from the fans. There is nothing too memorable about him.

Other than the massive draw he is, the incredible work he performs in the ring, the sheer amounts of money he brings in, the mega-pop he gets when the crowd isn't pissy.

You marginalize Cena like Benjamin could pull off what he does. When nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[fktizle]

Not really. He was a heel before. Why would they like his face work based off of his heel work? This isn't Edge here. Cena fans tend to think through what makes him great, instead of just saying "He spears off ladders and Edge/Christian! OMG!"

Don't believe me? Wait for Edge's face turn. Even if he blows, people will love him. Why? Because of his heel work. It makes no sense at all.

Cena was a face in 2004, what are you talking about? I'm basing it off of that, you know, when he was rapping and being himself, when the Chain gang and World Life actually meant something, when he was more than just The Champ, when he was being different.

..That's what wrestlers are supposed ta be...I don't understand. Unless you're trying to say Cena doesn't have a gimmick or story. He does. He's a marine who is there to prove he's the best and demand loyalty and respect. I don't understand what your point is.

That is my point, he has no gimmick. How is he a marine? When did he go from Rapper to marine? a movie did that? Does that mean he's a cop now because of 12 rounds? He is simply a over exaggerated simple old time baby face. He is Hulk Hogan without the steroids.

Because the crowds love him. If they didn't, he'd be fired by now.

Unless you're speaking of Benjamin. He's been shoved down our throats for years, and just now he's been relegated to ECW. Thank god. Man couldn't carry a crowd if he threw Orton from a 50 foot scaffold.

The crowd loves him? Did you see 2005 wrestling at all? The crowd fucking hated him, but the WWE continued to keep him in the main event picture and push him. What about against Triple H in 2006? The people totally turned on the "top" baby face, and he still got the win. When Rock was turned on when he lost to Lesnar, he became a heel, because they did that. That's how a person moves forward. If the fans dislike you, you tend to be more of a heel than a face. That's why Hogan turned to back in 1996.

And about Benjamin, I don't really give a crap cause he is in ECW. But I will say this, he could wrestle a million times better than Cena could ever hope to wrestle.

He's your top face of the company. He's going to be commanding, he's going to be hard to beat. Your champions and top characters can't be beaten by everyone. Then they're not your champions or top wrestlers. They're just like everyone else.

True. Your right. But we're talking about how Cena NEVER loses. You talk about Cena having 3 WWE titles for a number of 793 days. That's more than every WWE/World Title Edge has had combined. That's called SHOVING someone down our throats.

HE'S A FACE. Faces love the crowd. He's not going to come out hating the crowd. That's what heels do. /facepalm

He gets booed because there are people who think it's cool to boo Cena, because Orton is FTW. Or it's because he is legitimately overplayed in the main-event. But his reactions have been cleaner as of yet after his latest string of feuds away from the title.

It's not what he does, it's how he does it. He KISSES the people's ASSES, read out loud. He doesn't tell him he's gonna win, he saids "tonight, me and my best friend Randy Orton, were gonna have a match, and you fans are gonna see it, cause I love you!"(over dramatic, but you get my point...)

He gets booed cause, surprisingly, people dislike him. OMG! That means people have the right to have a different opinion. Even against The Miz, he still had bad reactions.

Comparing Austin or the Rock to Cena is laughable. Austin and Rock reigned over the biggest boom in wrestling history. Once Austin and Rock left, the one-off fans left with them. You immediately sank from 7.0 ratings to less than half of that.

But who helped salvage the ratings? Cena. He's the hero of the new era. It says something when Cena's injuries cause the ratings to drop half a point until he returns.

Best rating for RAW 2004: 4.5. Best rating for 2009 RAW: 4.5. What did Cena salvage? The ratings haven't improved, and haven't reduced. Their the damn same whether he was there or not.

Shouldn't I compare him to former WWE Champions? If it's laughable to compare him to them, then why did Cena hold the WWE title for 793 days? Maybe because a guy that, obviously, wasn't ready to be pushed so hard so fast, was, and now, he SUCKS.

Other than the massive draw he is, the incredible work he performs in the ring, the sheer amounts of money he brings in, the mega-pop he gets when the crowd isn't pissy.

You marginalize Cena like Benjamin could pull off what he does. When nothing could be further from the truth.

All I said is that he isn't impressive to me. He's a huge draw, he does earn money, and people do pop for him. In the ring, he basically falls for 20 minutes and gets back into it, in the last 2 minutes. The crowd is always pissy at Cena, cause a lot of people don't find him interesting.

All I'm saying is, if, given the chance, anybody with as much charisma as Cena, can do what he does. I never compared him to Benjamin, I don't even like Benjamin.

When it comes down to it, Cena, as a TOP baby face, is just not that good. if he would have been, more people would be watching the show, the PPV buys would be higher, and he would always have a positive pop.

Face it, he's just not that good.....

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Cena was a face in 2004, what are you talking about? I'm basing it off of that, you know, when he was rapping and being himself, when the Chain gang and World Life actually meant something, when he was more than just The Champ, when he was being different.



That is my point, he has no gimmick. How is he a marine? When did he go from Rapper to marine? a movie did that? Does that mean he's a cop now because of 12 rounds? He is simply a over exaggerated simple old time baby face. He is Hulk Hogan without the steroids.



The crowd loves him? Did you see 2005 wrestling at all? The crowd fucking hated him, but the WWE continued to keep him in the main event picture and push him. What about against Triple H in 2006? The people totally turned on the "top" baby face, and he still got the win. When Rock was turned on when he lost to Lesnar, he became a heel, because they did that. That's how a person moves forward. If the fans dislike you, you tend to be more of a heel than a face. That's why Hogan turned to back in 1996.

And about Benjamin, I don't really give a crap cause he is in ECW. But I will say this, he could wrestle a million times better than Cena could ever hope to wrestle.



True. Your right. But we're talking about how Cena NEVER loses. You talk about Cena having 3 WWE titles for a number of 793 days. That's more than every WWE/World Title Edge has had combined. That's called SHOVING someone down our throats.



It's not what he does, it's how he does it. He KISSES the people's ASSES, read out loud. He doesn't tell him he's gonna win, he saids "tonight, me and my best friend Randy Orton, were gonna have a match, and you fans are gonna see it, cause I love you!"(over dramatic, but you get my point...)

He gets booed cause, surprisingly, people dislike him. OMG! That means people have the right to have a different opinion. Even against The Miz, he still had bad reactions.



Best rating for RAW 2004: 4.5. Best rating for 2009 RAW: 4.5. What did Cena salvage? The ratings haven't improved, and haven't reduced. Their the damn same whether he was there or not.

Shouldn't I compare him to former WWE Champions? If it's laughable to compare him to them, then why did Cena hold the WWE title for 793 days? Maybe because a guy that, obviously, wasn't ready to be pushed so hard so fast, was, and now, he SUCKS.



All I said is that he isn't impressive to me. He's a huge draw, he does earn money, and people do pop for him. In the ring, he basically falls for 20 minutes and gets back into it, in the last 2 minutes. The crowd is always pissy at Cena, cause a lot of people don't find him interesting.

All I'm saying is, if, given the chance, anybody with as much charisma as Cena, can do what he does. I never compared him to Benjamin, I don't even like Benjamin.

When it comes down to it, Cena, as a TOP baby face, is just not that good. if he would have been, more people would be watching the show, the PPV buys would be higher, and he would always have a positive pop.

Face it, he's just not that good.....

1. Sure the rapper gimmick was cool and whatnot but that equate titles. Not that many as his current persona.

2. Hulk Hogan was pretty successful as a babyface and John Cena is too so I don't see your point there.

3. Everybody thinks it cool to boo Cena and I don't see why. He puts it out there each and every nights and is one of the best performers in the business.

4. The reason he held for the title for 793 days because he is the best. Shouldn't your best performer be the champion?

5. Cena can eat the crowd out of the palm of his hand anytime he wants too. He is the biggest draw in the business and entertains the crowd the most.

If he's not that good, tell me who is better?

 

[Razor]

Cena was a face in 2004, what are you talking about? I'm basing it off of that, you know, when he was rapping and being himself, when the Chain gang and World Life actually meant something, when he was more than just The Champ, when he was being different.

He started the rapper gimmick as a heel. That's what I'm talking about.

That is my point, he has no gimmick. How is he a marine? When did he go from Rapper to marine? a movie did that? Does that mean he's a cop now because of 12 rounds? He is simply a over exaggerated simple old time baby face. He is Hulk Hogan without the steroids.

1) Since when can rappers not become marines? I've never read that in the rules for recruitment.

2) If Cena's gimmick is unbelievable then whose is? Taker's? He's a fucking DEADMAN.

Him being a marine who never gives up IS his gimmick. Do you not know what a gimmick is?

The crowd loves him? Did you see 2005 wrestling at all? The crowd fucking hated him, but the WWE continued to keep him in the main event picture and push him. What about against Triple H in 2006? The people totally turned on the "top" baby face, and he still got the win. When Rock was turned on when he lost to Lesnar, he became a heel, because they did that. That's how a person moves forward. If the fans dislike you, you tend to be more of a heel than a face. That's why Hogan turned to back in 1996.

Have you seen the last years in wrestling at all? See, I can do it as well.

We're not in 2005. We're not in 2006. Reactions from 3-4 years ago don't matter. For the most part now, Cena is getting mega-pops. He gets the occassional smarky crowd or crowd that simply hates him for being Cena. But every wrestler gets those. Triple H, HBK, Taker, everyone.

And about Benjamin, I don't really give a crap cause he is in ECW. But I will say this, he could wrestle a million times better than Cena could ever hope to wrestle.

I hope you'd say something like this.

Pro-Wrestlers are only meant to get asses in the seats and PPVs bought. They do that by getting the crowd to care about the match through their mannerisms and moves. Basically, telling a story the crowd can care about. Cena does that many times over Benjamin, to the point where Cena is basically handing Benjamin his paycheck everytime he steps through the curtain. If a Pro-Wrestler can this, he's a good wrestler. Simple as. You don't have to be a technical god to be a good wrestler.

True. Your right. But we're talking about how Cena NEVER loses. You talk about Cena having 3 WWE titles for a number of 793 days. That's more than every WWE/World Title Edge has had combined. That's called SHOVING someone down our throats.

That's called adding prestige to the titles. Having Edge lose his title every fucking month is ******ed, and makes the title seem like any pussy who can steal a pin can nab it. Only thing, once they try to defend it, it proves they can't do anything.

Cena having 3 WWE titles for 793 days means one thing. He's a fucking champion who can hold is titles. Edge, the wimp who can't hold them for longer than 4 weeks, isn't. They're trying to lend their top face some credibility. By, you know, not letting him lose.

It's not what he does, it's how he does it. He KISSES the people's ASSES, read out loud. He doesn't tell him he's gonna win, he saids "tonight, me and my best friend Randy Orton, were gonna have a match, and you fans are gonna see it, cause I love you!"(over dramatic, but you get my point...)

Which is what faces do. I still don't see the point in you not liking how a face plays to the crowd. It makes no sense.

He gets booed cause, surprisingly, people dislike him. OMG! That means people have the right to have a different opinion. Even against The Miz, he still had bad reactions.

Never said he wasn't hated by people. And I would like to see where Cena was booed resoundingly over Miz. Please. That would mean people actually give a shit about Miz.

Best rating for RAW 2004: 4.5. Best rating for 2009 RAW: 4.5. What did Cena salvage? The ratings haven't improved, and haven't reduced. Their the damn same whether he was there or not.

They haven't lost any viewers, have they? Which is better than that period right after Steve Austin and Rock where they lost half of their viewers.

And to say they would be the same with or without Cena is perposterous. You have no way of proving that. However, looking at ratings, you can see the dips where Cena is injured and the jumps when Cena comes back. It's because Cena draws.

Shouldn't I compare him to former WWE Champions? If it's laughable to compare him to them, then why did Cena hold the WWE title for 793 days? Maybe because a guy that, obviously, wasn't ready to be pushed so hard so fast, was, and now, he SUCKS.

You can't compare two champions from two different eras. Austin and Rock were residing over the boom that was the Attitude Era. Sad thing is, the crowds were filled with one-off fans. Today's era is completely different, and the WWE is trying to gather a different audience. Please, tell me that Austin and Rock would fit in the current WWE model. Go ahead, and try to sound sane.

All I said is that he isn't impressive to me. He's a huge draw, he does earn money, and people do pop for him. In the ring, he basically falls for 20 minutes and gets back into it, in the last 2 minutes. The crowd is always pissy at Cena, cause a lot of people don't find him interesting.

No they're not. They pop for him like he wants them to. He gets a couple pissy crowds, but that's about it. He's not going to get everyone. But he does have the majority of the viewers won over.

All I'm saying is, if, given the chance, anybody with as much charisma as Cena, can do what he does. I never compared him to Benjamin, I don't even like Benjamin.

Well, that's like saying "Anyone with the same amount of charisma can replace Shawn Michaels." It's redundant. Of course some one of the same level could replace him. That goes for everyone ever on this earth.

Your post basically reduced Cena down a few pops, and made it sound like anyone could do what he does. That's not the case.

When it comes down to it, Cena, as a TOP baby face, is just not that good. if he would have been, more people would be watching the show, the PPV buys would be higher, and he would always have a positive pop.

How is he not good? He's carrying the ratings, he's carrying buys, he's carrying merch sales.

And to say any wrestler will always get a positive pop is, once again, rediculous. Not every wrestler will ever get a universal pop. There will always be certain crowds that get pissy and boo the face.

Face it, he's just not that good.....

Only if you promise to face that he IS that damn good. He does everything a Pro-Wrestler is supposed to do, and does it better than more than 95% of the roster.

 

[YoYoYumba]

Sorry Razorback, just to respond to what you were saying, I know that all Cena fans are not just kids but all I was saying was that his gimmick...character, whatever you wanna call it is pretty much aimed at entertaining kids, you can't deny that surely. In regards to his in ring work, I think he can still do alot better, thats just my opinion. I'm not a Cena fan at all but I really still would want to see him become better in the ring. I think Cena is really a perfect fit for this new era of wrestling, which is a more clean family friendly environment and that was my point when I said he is one of the best entertainers to a certain extent when you take into account that the WWE is now trying to target kids and Cena does that very well. Just so you know Razorback, I'm not trying to insult you for liking him and I know other older people do like him too but to me it seems like the majority of Cena fans are kids, that's all I'm saying. On a side note, I actually liked Cena when he was a heel and had the rapper gimmick. Guys who have some attitude like that are the sorta wrestlers I like because they actually entertain me. I know Cena won't go heel but I think he was a real good at it.

 

[HypnotizedHero2010]

its not that i dont like cena, i just dont like what his gimmick has become. get ur ass kicked my bigshow and miz, do 5 moves and win??? no that does not make a good and entertaining match. but thats not his fault. its the writers and vince. cena doesnt decide how is matches go. cena is great on the mic but his overall gimmick is very very stale. and it will never change as long as vince keeps making money.

so what is to become of cena. will everyone over the age of 12 hate him because its the same old gimmick and every new wrestling fan will love him and buy his stuff??

if this is the case then we are all screwed. cena is far too good to be wasted like this. just doing the same old thing every week and every match. and because cena loves the fans and loves his job he probably would not complain.


now i'm not saying that he needs a heel turn but a little change would be good. vince can still get is money from merchendice and make cena less 1 dimentional. like acctually attack miz in a hallway. do something. he doesnt have the be the perfect person. look at jeff hardy. the man smoked weed for most of his career and is the number 1 face on smackdown.

i just hope cena doesnt get stuck in the same gimmick for the rest of his career.

thoughts??

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Maryse porn

Since this is a non-spam section you have to give reasons, however weird they may be, as why you think Cena will be doing Maryse porn.

I think Cena will continue to be the top guy for a while. He won't get as many numerous reigns but the reigns that he will have will probably last for around three to five months. He will help put the Miz and Swagger over and will still be a big draw. I don't believe he will turn heel in the near future nor should he.

 

[Wolfdemon]

its not that i dont like cena, i just dont like what his gimmick has become. get ur ass kicked my bigshow and miz, do 5 moves and win??? no that does not make a good and entertaining match. but thats not his fault. its the writers and vince. cena doesnt decide how is matches go. cena is great on the mic but his overall gimmick is very very stale. and it will never change as long as vince keeps making money.

so what is to become of cena. will everyone over the age of 12 hate him because its the same old gimmick and every new wrestling fan will love him and buy his stuff??

if this is the case then we are all screwed. cena is far too good to be wasted like this. just doing the same old thing every week and every match. and because cena loves the fans and loves his job he probably would not complain.


now i'm not saying that he needs a heel turn but a little change would be good. vince can still get is money from merchendice and make cena less 1 dimentional. like acctually attack miz in a hallway. do something. he doesnt have the be the perfect person. look at jeff hardy. the man smoked weed for most of his career and is the number 1 face on smackdown.

i just hope cena doesnt get stuck in the same gimmick for the rest of his career.

thoughts??/QUOTE]
I agree with all of this.I liked Cena's gimmick at first,But the same old shit over and over gets boring.I think that when the 12 year olds grow up and realize that he is infact "The same old shit" then he might get a gimmick change.I think that he might actually be due for a heel turn because he has beat the hell out of ever top heel that now he is forced to fight mid carders in squash matches.

 

[Sasori]

What the future holds for Cena? Cash, world titles, and high profile matches. O.k so John Cena is stale, and he only does 5 moves. Does Vince give a fuck? As long as Cena is a top dog kiddies will love him and buy his merch. And thats what Vince wants! I can't imagine Cena turning heel EVER, or change if he keeps making money like this. But he might if the kiddies move on. I think Cena will change his gimmick again. But he will still have the same moveset. He has changed gimmicks before, he went from some dude with talent, to thug, to wigger, to a soldier, and now apperntly some dude who believes in Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect. Those are some BIG transformations you know.

 

[I own a set of balls]

Another one of these Cena-gimmick-hating threads.


Haven't we seen enough of these threads?


It's ironic you're saying that Cena's gimmick is all the same, the same old shit, because the over-flowing amount of threads about his gimmick is also the same old shit.

 

[Christian Battlez]

its not that i dont like cena, i just dont like what his gimmick has become. get ur ass kicked my bigshow and miz, do 5 moves and win???

Posts like this piss me off. You say you like Cena so you won't get called a smark when you say he only does five moves and has a shit gimmick c'mon you hate him and you know it man up and say it.

no that does not make a good and entertaining match.

I disagree Cena has very good matches quite often on Raw and on ppvs. People have been complaining he has shit matches and only does five moves since 2006. Here are some of the matches that Cena has wrestled in since 2006 when he supposedly started doing 5 moves.

Wrestlemania 22: John Cena(c) vs Triple H WWE Championship

One Night Stand 2006: John Cena (c) vs RVD WWE Championship

Summerslam 2006: John Cena vs Edge (c) WWE Championship

Unforgiven 2006: TLC John Cena vs Edge (c) WWE Championship

Wrestlemania 23: John Cena(c) vs Shawn Michaels WWE Championship

Monday Night Raw London England: Cena vs HBK

Wrestlemania 24: Randy Orton (c) vs HHH vs John Cena WWE title

Night of Champions 2008: John Cena vs Triple H (c) WWE title

I didn't put any 2009 matches because people don't whine as much about five moves anymore but if you'd like Im sure i could find some.

but thats not his fault. its the writers and vince.

I agree that the writing on Raw has been shit lately.

cena doesnt decide how is matches go. cena is great on the mic but his overall gimmick is very very stale. and it will never change as long as vince keeps making money.

well duh

so what is to become of cena. will everyone over the age of 12 hate him because its the same old gimmick and every new wrestling fan will love him and buy his stuff??

im 19 I think he's great.

if this is the case then we are all screwed. cena is far too good to be wasted like this. just doing the same old thing every week and every match. and because cena loves the fans and loves his job he probably would not complain.

hypocrite

now i'm not saying that he needs a heel turn but a little change would be good. vince can still get is money from merchendice and make cena less 1 dimentional. like acctually attack miz in a hallway. do something. he doesnt have the be the perfect person. look at jeff hardy. the man smoked weed for most of his career and is the number 1 face on smackdown.

So if Cena attacked Miz in a hallway you'd love him thats silly thats so dishonarable and a bad example for all those twelve year olds.

i just hope cena doesnt get stuck in the same gimmick for the rest of his career.

If he does its the HOF for Cena for sure but since you hate him you probably want that.

 

[lenguy]

i actually agree with all this.it makes me wonder just how long us fans will tune into the same old dull and predictable cena before we finally say enough is enough.vince do something with him or seriously.let tna have him.maybe then,they could at least think of something a bit refreshing.from what i understand.this is how hogans career was like for the first part of it,before he finally went heel.and makes me think that if hogan had never left wwe.would vince have ever pulled the trigger?.lol k but back on topic.iv asked myself that question for a long time now

what just is in the future of john cena?the guys done everything already.faced almost everybody.i mean unless they turn him heel or move him to smackdown. i really dont see his gimmick or is character changing.its sad.i like the guy.but i have to admit its getting stale.and its such a waste of talent.but we'll see

 

[JaJaBings]

U guys would be surprised. Contrary to popular belief, not just 12 year olds and below are sucking up the dull, boring Cena which Vince is pushing. I have a 23 year old friend who is always rambling about how great Cena is. Heck, he even said that Cena's match at WM is the best match of the night. GAWD!

When I dissed him for being such a fanboy of Cena, he laughed at me for being a fan of Jericho. "Every week, he comes out in a suit, talks the same thing, and wrestles like a sh!tty coward". He doesn't realize it's a freakin' gimmick!

The casual audience is much more vast than u expect. As long as status quo is maintained, Vince doesn't care a sh!t about us Internet smarks. Cena will stay the same. Maybe not for good, but possibly for the next 2-4 years.

 

[Canadian Knight]

The WWE can be unpredicatable. Cena could be a face for until he leaves the company. Or they may decide to turn him heel. I think that for him that eventually they will turn him heel, just after the sales of his things plummet. They will turn him heel, more likely against HHH, then a feud between the two for months. The truth of the matter is we cant accurately predict what will happen because it all depends on the fans and the WWE writers.

 

[averysean2000]

well i have to say when i first started wachin wrestling cena was my favorite and yes i do like him but i do think there should be a change in his finisher i know he renamed it but i think what he should do is pick them up for the same thing but pick him up where there back is on his head and do the throw over and make their head hit the mat if yall know what im sayin that would be a great move and i have to say a good gimmick for cena would be swagger it could help swagger get bigger and i think they would have a good match i thought their match at the draft was a good match but i could see swagger and cena in a ppv match in the future

 

[Razor]

its not that i dont like cena, i just dont like what his gimmick has become. get ur ass kicked my bigshow and miz, do 5 moves and win??? no that does not make a good and entertaining match. but thats not his fault. its the writers and vince. cena doesnt decide how is matches go. cena is great on the mic but his overall gimmick is very very stale. and it will never change as long as vince keeps making money.

so what is to become of cena. will everyone over the age of 12 hate him because its the same old gimmick and every new wrestling fan will love him and buy his stuff??

if this is the case then we are all screwed. cena is far too good to be wasted like this. just doing the same old thing every week and every match. and because cena loves the fans and loves his job he probably would not complain.


now i'm not saying that he needs a heel turn but a little change would be good. vince can still get is money from merchendice and make cena less 1 dimentional. like acctually attack miz in a hallway. do something. he doesnt have the be the perfect person. look at jeff hardy. the man smoked weed for most of his career and is the number 1 face on smackdown.

i just hope cena doesnt get stuck in the same gimmick for the rest of his career.

thoughts??

Everyone acts as though once you turn 12, you can't like Cena. I'm 19. I like Cena. I know many grown men who like Cena. Age has nothing to do with whether you like Cena's gimmick or you don't. Let's get that straight.

As for what will be in his future, another decade of kicking ass at his job. Getting the PPVs sold, getting those tickets sold, getting that merchandise sold. Showing the WWE what a pro-wrestler is supposed to do, basically. And for his gimmick, it can go one of two ways:

1) The Hogan route. He stays face for a while, being mega-over with the crowd. He turns heel, gets people really really pissed off, then turns face and everyone loves him again. He'll be equally effective as both, because Cena's that awesome.

2) The Taker route. He'll turn heel, but it'll just seem odd. He goes face again and everyone realizes just how amazing and over he is.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I an not sick of Cena and judging by the pop he gets and the crazy merchandise numbers he produces, there is a lot of others who agree with me. I think a heel turn would be entertaining as do a bunch of people on here, but it is a shitty business decision. I think he will be champion again soon. At least before the end of the year anyway. I think a feud with Swagger could be good.

 

[Chris in SC]

Am I the only one that HATES the new John Deere inspired ring attire of Cena? Even the 8-bit Nintendo shirt beat this.

It looks like he is appealing to the sterotype of a wrestling fan - A semi-literate stumpf*ck with 3 teeth chugging PBR and thinking that it's all real.

 

[TripleH23]

Cena is amazingly strong. The thing I don't like about him is his character. Don't get me wrong, he is entertaining, but I would rather see him as a tough guy rather than a superhero. But other than that he is a good wrestler and has a lot of talent. A man who can lift Big Show, Viscera, Mark Henry, Khali, and more. One of the best right now.

 

[The Todd]

No one can describe John Cena better than the man himself.

I'm one of those guys who on any given day can be booed out of any building. I'm the only guy who is neither a good guy or a bad guy. That's because I'm genuinely myself. Certainly, guys in our industry try to sway the audience one way or the other, but like I said, I go out there and I'm me. I have certain things that I stand for, certain things that I believe in, and if you don't like it and you tell me to go to hell, I think that's your God-given right as a fan. It's one of those deals where I'm that one guy who is outside of that realm of good guy, bad guy. I'm just me, and it elicits a response both positive and negative.

What is there to argue with? He is the best character in the WWE and, as Cena says, he gets a reaction out of everyone. If Cena ever walks into a building and there is silence, THEN his character can change. But as long as the noise is deafening, cheers or boos, he will stay the same. The stupid thing is, the majority of the people booing Cena want him to change his character and they don't realise they are playing right into his hands.

 

[Wakers]

My main problems with John Cena;

1) Moveset - we all know its very limited. Fine. But the limited moves that he does do..the only one that looks legitimate is the STF. The attitude adjuster is about the weakest looking finishing move in the WWE (apart from the Playmaker maybe). His blockbuster and Protoplex are similarly weak - the Protoplex especially, considering that it is supposed to be so devestating that he can waste the next 30 seconds doing the equally bad 5 knuckle shuffle.

Cena is supposed to be one of the most powerful wrestlers in WWE. So tell him to use more devestating looking moves. Give him some form or Powerbomb maybe, or a jackhammer like move, or a gorilla press into a powerslam / spinebuster. Make him do proper vertical suplexes or a delay in his fisherman's suplex (that he seems to have stopped doing for some reason)

2) He's a hypocrite. You hear him talking about how he goes out there everynight and is his own man, he doesn't care if he gets booed or cheered. That's great, stick to that, but then you see a promo every other week where he goes out and kisses ass, big time. Does not compute. Tell him to be more edgy like he was when he was breaking through as a heel.

3) Speaking of promos, tell the man to stop getting enraged at random times through his promos. What is he, a poster boy for roid rage? (I know he probably doesn't take steroids, but he sure does act like it!)

4) Have different kinds of matches. At least he loses the odd match every now and then these days, but I think its fair to say the typical Cena match that we see week in week out, and even on PPV (apart from the squash that he gave to Miz) consists of Cena getting absolutely pummeled for 10 minutes, does the protoplex, and suddenly his opponent is unconscious. It's not even a win out of nowhere, its one crappy looking move followed by a fist drop, followed by a leg drop, followed by the STF or Attitude Adjustment. Every time. Wrestling is about suspension of disbelief..this is not it.

5) Give him a gimmick of some sort. Even a mild one. At the moment, he doesn't have one at all to speak of. Trips is an intelligent lone wolf. That's his gimmick. Batista is the Animal, Jericho has the best heel gimmick of them all..Cena is..what? Is he still a rapper? No...is he an honest to god column of righteousness? No..he's just..a guy with a marketable look, and at the moment that is his gimmick, which is why a lot of people find him incomprehensibly boring.

 

[The Todd]

1) Moveset - we all know its very limited. Fine. But the limited moves that he does do..the only one that looks legitimate is the STF. The attitude adjuster is about the weakest looking finishing move in the WWE (apart from the Playmaker maybe). His blockbuster and Protoplex are similarly weak - the Protoplex especially, considering that it is supposed to be so devestating that he can waste the next 30 seconds doing the equally bad 5 knuckle shuffle.

If a six foot one, 240lbs man lifted you on their shoulders and slammed you down on the floor I'm guessing your opinion on the weakness of the move would change. But that doesn't even matter. One of the most over finishers of all time was an elbow into the stomach. Why was that good? It made people pop when it was set up. Does that happen when Cena lifts people onto his shoulders? Yep it does. Therefore it is a good finisher.

2) He's a hypocrite. You hear him talking about how he goes out there everynight and is his own man, he doesn't care if he gets booed or cheered. That's great, stick to that, but then you see a promo every other week where he goes out and kisses ass, big time. Does not compute. Tell him to be more edgy like he was when he was breaking through as a heel.

How is that being a hypocrite? He says himself he is himself. So therefore being himself is being respectful of the fans. If some fans are stupid enough to think that a man who respects them doesn't deserve their respect then that's their problem. Why should he be more edgy? He works fine as he is.

3) Speaking of promos, tell the man to stop getting enraged at random times through his promos. What is he, a poster boy for roid rage? (I know he probably doesn't take steroids, but he sure does act like it!)

Yes, lets have him in a monotone and send the crowd to sleep like Orton does. That will make him a much better character.

4) Have different kinds of matches. At least he loses the odd match every now and then these days, but I think its fair to say the typical Cena match that we see week in week out, and even on PPV (apart from the squash that he gave to Miz) consists of Cena getting absolutely pummeled for 10 minutes, does the protoplex, and suddenly his opponent is unconscious. It's not even a win out of nowhere, its one crappy looking move followed by a fist drop, followed by a leg drop, followed by the STF or Attitude Adjustment. Every time. Wrestling is about suspension of disbelief..this is not it.

Yeah, because that isn't how wrestling isn't supposed to work or anything. It was crap when Hogan got beat for 20 minutes, Hulked up, threw punches, a big boot and then a leg drop wasn't it? It was crap when Austin got beat up then hit a stunner wasn't it? It was crap when Rocky hit a spinebuster out of nowhere when he was getting beat wasn't it? Do you know what wrestling is about?

5) Give him a gimmick of some sort. Even a mild one. At the moment, he doesn't have one at all to speak of. Trips is an intelligent lone wolf. That's his gimmick. Batista is the Animal, Jericho has the best heel gimmick of them all..Cena is..what? Is he still a rapper? No...is he an honest to god column of righteousness? No..he's just..a guy with a marketable look, and at the moment that is his gimmick, which is why a lot of people find him incomprehensibly boring.

So boring that everyone makes noise about him when he comes out and has an opinion on his character. If he was boring, the crowd would be silent and no one would talk about him. No, boring is how you describe Big Show and MVP currently. Not Cena.

 

[Wakers]

If a six foot one, 240lbs man lifted you on their shoulders and slammed you down on the floor I'm guessing your opinion on the weakness of the move would change. But that doesn't even matter. One of the most over finishers of all time was an elbow into the stomach. Why was that good? It made people pop when it was set up. Does that happen when Cena lifts people onto his shoulders? Yep it does. Therefore it is a good finisher.

Lets see. This was not the point I made at all and you know it. It was about how effective the move looks, not how much it would hurt me if Cena picked me up and threw me to a canvas. Compare it to other finishing moves, it looks nowhere near as effective as the Pedigree, Batista Bomb, GTS, Swanton Bomb, Sweet Chin Music, Tombstone and etc.

How is that being a hypocrite? He says himself he is himself. So therefore being himself is being respectful of the fans. If some fans are stupid enough to think that a man who respects them doesn't deserve their respect then that's their problem. Why should he be more edgy? He works fine as he is.

Because he says he doesn't care if he gets booed, but then he comes out and tries way too hard to get the crowd on his side. Which one is it?

Yes, lets have him in a monotone and send the crowd to sleep like Orton does. That will make him a much better character.

Again, somewhat of a childish response. You don't have to speak in monotone, but you don't have to go randomly nuts in the middle of sentences either.

Yeah, because that isn't how wrestling isn't supposed to work or anything. It was crap when Hogan got beat for 20 minutes, Hulked up, threw punches, a big boot and then a leg drop wasn't it? It was crap when Austin got beat up then hit a stunner wasn't it? It was crap when Rocky hit a spinebuster out of nowhere when he was getting beat wasn't it? Do you know what wrestling is about?

More than you do, quite clearly. Yes it was crap when Hogan did it, but you know what? Different era. The crowd ate it up. A great deal of live crowds do not get behind the Cena finishes.

Your point about Austin shows you didn't read what I wrote at all. I specifically said that sudden finishers are good. So your points about Austin and Rock miss the mark completely.

So boring that everyone makes noise about him when he comes out and has an opinion on his character. If he was boring, the crowd would be silent and no one would talk about him. No, boring is how you describe Big Show and MVP currently. Not Cena.

Yes, the two you mentioned are boring. But Cena's crowd reactions are mainly from kids and women. The people that boo him are the ones that find him boring and are annoyed at him being pushed down their throats at every chance.

Cena would be a mega heel if he turned and pretended that he was the best wrestler alive, because those boos would be amplified many many times. It's the same reason X-Pac got heat, and its the same reason Vicki got all that heat.

If they could take advantage of the fact that a great deal of viewers want to see Cena lose, then they would have high ratings, guaranteed.

So please, if you're going to reply, at least try and read what you're replying to first.