The *Official* John Cena Thread
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SavageTaker
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The Miz was put over because he was allowed to work with a main eventer and the top guy of a company. He was drafted to Raw and was immediately given a push by working with Cena. Normally when someone gets drafted they have to work their way up to the top. The Miz didn’t have to work his way to the top. He was allowed to work with a main eventer and that was all Cena needed to do to put him over. Let him work with him.
I think he was and I’ll tell you why you’re wrong.
That’s your fault for. It’s not the WWE’s job to make sure all of the fans have long-term memory.
So what you wanted the announcers to make a big deal about even though The The Miz lost? How does that help the Miz when someone is pointing out that he lost? Anyways, they had them do a match on pay per view and then gave the match away on Free TV, it wasn’t necessary for them to make a “big deal” out of it.
They don’t really say that. I don’t know where you hear this at, TNA?
Because it wasn’t necessary.
May I remind you that John Cena is a main eventer and The Miz is a mid-carder who has yet to prove himself. John Cena is the top guy and by having The Miz go over it would make it seem like anyone can go over him, even a mid-carder. I’m sure that’s not the WWE’s goal.
Aren’t you the one who continues to talk about how Cena didn’t put The Miz over, even though he did?
So, Orton gets to dominate basically dominate the whole entire match and look strong in defeat and you’re whining about it. It’s Incredible how it’s so hard to try and please everyone these days. John Cena made a comeback and won. It happens all the time. Babyface gets dominated the whole match and then makes a comeback, yet sometimes the babyfaces lose or win. This was just one of those instances where the babyface won.
So, Legacy dominates Cena and look strong and defeat, and you’re whining about that too. Like I said, it’s so incredible that it is so hard to try and please everyone when all some of the fans can do is whine, whine some more, and keep on whining. For god’s sake, Legacy aren’t even main eventers. Cena is. Now that we’ve established that, let me establish one more thing: Main Eventer goes over non main eventers. It’s rare that someone who isn’t a main eventer goes over a main event talent and in those cases it’s either an upset or a fluky win.
I’m not going to bother by responding to this because this is a thread for John Cena not Shelton and because Shelton Benjamin sucks, plain and simple.
Sir you are completely off base with all of your responses. It is the WWE's job to ensure that they make memorable characters and even after Miz's two matches with Cena, when I see the Miz I see another boring character. He lost at the Bash, at least let him go over on Raw the next night. Hell I would settle for a DQ, that would have even been better.
The announcers always mention some stupid shit like that, and you know they do.
I'm not whinning about anything. I am simply pointing out that Cena is the new Hogan. Gets his bitch ass whipped and then 5 or 6 moves of impending death, he wins. Babyfaces do not get dominated like Cena does (I've already said this). When was the last time that you seen Austin, The Rock, HBK, 'Taker, HHH, Bret Hart, Sting, Goldberg, Lesnar, Angle, and on and on and on get dominated in a match, do their signatures and then pull out the win? That dumb ass face/heel domination rule only applies to Cena and Hogan. All Cena does is signatures and if you can't see that then stop defending a performer that you obviously do not watch.
The announcers always mention some stupid shit like that, and you know they do.
I'm not whinning about anything. I am simply pointing out that Cena is the new Hogan. Gets his bitch ass whipped and then 5 or 6 moves of impending death, he wins. Babyfaces do not get dominated like Cena does (I've already said this). When was the last time that you seen Austin, The Rock, HBK, 'Taker, HHH, Bret Hart, Sting, Goldberg, Lesnar, Angle, and on and on and on get dominated in a match, do their signatures and then pull out the win? That dumb ass face/heel domination rule only applies to Cena and Hogan. All Cena does is signatures and if you can't see that then stop defending a performer that you obviously do not watch.
SavageTaker
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Like I stated earlier, John Cena is a main eventer and The Miz is a mid-carder who has yet to prove himself, why the hell would you have The Miz go over? Theres no reason to do that. It makes Cena look weak. Like I stated earlier, it makes it look like anyone can beat him, when the WWE is not aiming for people to believe that. Also, the Cena vs. Miz match was to see who would face Triple H for the #1 contendership for the WWE title, Why the Hell would you have Miz win by DQ? He still wins and faces Triple H the next week. That would just make people believe that The Miz didnt have a chance in hell to beat Triple H. At least with Cena facing Triple H, people believed that he could probably beat Triple H, seeing as how hes done it before.
They dont always do it. They should only do it when its something major like someone getting their first World Title. Its not something they should do when someone losses a match.
No, John Cena is not the new Hogan. Cena is what Hogan was to his era, the face of it. Just like Stone Cold was the face of the Attitude Era and just like Hogan was the face of his era, John Cena is the face of this Era.
Also, all of those guys were in completely different Eras. Times have changed and things change when that happens. Just because the babyface getting dominated didnt happen as much 10 years ago, it doesnt mean it wont happen again like it did 20 years ago. In the 80s, babyfaces got dominated. In the 90s, it wasnt as common for babyfaces to get dominated. Now in the 21st century its more common just like it was 20 years ago. See a pattern?
Finally, then that means every wrestler in the history of wrestling does signature moves. From Frank Gotch to Hogan to Austin to Cena. They have all done signature moves, something every wrestler does. And Cena is a performer who I do watch and I will continue defending him as long as there is Cena haters like you.
How was ST of base? You complained about a number of things and he told you why you were wrong. It not his fault that you didn't like what he said.
Um... It's not up to WWE to ensure they have memorable characters. Yes, they want to create characters that are memorable. The fact is that responsibility doesn't completely fall on WWE. They can come up with a great character, but if the performer doesn't live up. Then the blame can, and should fall on him. Do I think the Miz fall in that category? No, Miz has become one of the best characters going right now. He can't please everyone, though he does many.
Like SavageTaker said, a mid-carder is not going to go over a main-event star. It just doesn't happen. Nor should it. John Cena is the face of the company, and you want a young guy out of nowhere to beat him. Sorry that logic is stupid. To be honest I don't think that we have seen the last of this feud. There is a good chance that we will see this two at summerslam.
Yeah, in TNA, I haven't heard something like that in a long time. Now they are two busy trying to talk about the guest host to even mention anything else.
Then what the hell are you doing? You completely rip Cena for not putting Miz or Orton over. That is complaining.
That's the basic premise for all babyfaces. Hate to tell you.
Okay, Austin, look at his matches against the Undertaker... Also look at his last match with The Rock. Yeah doesn't work there.
The rock? Look at his last couple of matches, he got dominated while he was a face. Or his match against Austin at WM 17 he was dominated.
HBK, Look at his match with Koslov earlier this year. You really want someone similar to Cena and Hogan it's HBK, he get dominated then has like 4 or 5 moves then sweet chin music match over.
HHH, same case, he gets his ass hand to him then High knee, face buster, spine buster pedigree. Look at his match WM18, or his match against Great Khali at summerslam.
Taker, look at any of his match besides his wrestlemania match with HBK it's the same... His matches with Koslov. Look at his match last year with Edge, Edge dominated the majority of their match at wrestlemania. Taker turned a spear into a triangle choke.
It's basic face psychology. You let the heel get in then you turn come back, Hogan started it. Every face since uses it.
No it doesn't. I just gave you a list of people who do the same dumb ass face/heel domination rule. Cena doesn't only use signature moves, your just being ignorant.
I wasn't saying let The Miz win my DQ, I meant let him DQ'd and then simply walk out. That would have left the story open and plus Cena still would have faced HHH on Raw the next week.
No sir. You see, you might have given me a few examples of where these faces got dominated, however, none of those faces have ever been dominated as much as Hogan or Cena (I will give you HBK). No, your face/heel domination rule only applies to Cena and Hogan. The reason being, that it happens to the two of them, I'd say about 80% of the time. The other faces that I mentioned are more of even performers, they neither dominate nor get dominated. Yes all wrestlers have signatures, I never denied that. My point, however, is that all Cena does is his signatures after about 10 to 15 minutes of a good ass whipping (Hogan). Oh yea, just to let you know. Your Rock reference is not valid because in that match, they both went in as faces, plus, The Rock lost that match. I'm talking, getting dominated and then hitting a few signatures and winning. I've never seen the people I listed do that except maybe a few times. 'Taker was not dominated by Edge. 'Taker carried just as much offense in that match.
Outside of a few strikes, maybe a back body drop, yes all Cena does do is signatures. Watch closely, if you can't see then you are blinded by your love of a man who makes the performers that I grew up with look ten times better than he is.
What would that have done for the Miz? Nothing, he was in a 15 minute match with the face of the company. A match in which he dominated, he was made to look extremely good. You have a problem with the way it end it that's your problem. Look how many different guys have had the same thing happen to them against Cena. Facts...
A few examples? I gave you the top guys in the company past and present, they all used the same psychology. I give you these guys and examples. Then you turn around and say those aren't good enough. Yet HBK fits the same mold as Cena and Hogan? Make up your mind are Hogan and Cena the only ones that do it or not?
Prove it... Show me matches with set guys you listed that don't use that method.
Watch hhh's match last year. When he won he one in the same manner. His matches to get into the rumble he just got by. When he won the belt. He hit the Pedigree after Orton had been dominating him. He had to use a roll up after he was hit by a swanton. Kurt Angle's breif stint as a face in 03... He was dominated by Lesnar. Look at any of Stings matches in WCW. A match in particular that I can point you to. Starrcade against Hogan. I can't talk about his matches in tna, because I don't ,atch tna that much. I just guess that doesn't work....
They went into Mania as faces. In the match Stone cold was a heel, the way he fought and how the match was changed, because of his deal with vkm
Okay, Look at his matches against hhh in 2000, or the big show, or look at his matches with the taker
Let's see, Edge countered every big move Taker threw at him, did he hit them? Yes, in time, but it wasn't right away. Edge even took Him outside where he dominated him. Taker hit his signature moves just as Cena hits his. Edge countered him, the match end after Edge hit a spear, and Taker countered into a triangle choke.
His singature moves... Are his five moves of doom. And he does that the whole match.. Yeah I'm sure. You want to talk about that only doing signature moves. Then look at scsa. That's all he did.
I have, and no he hasn't. The business as a whole isn't in where it was when we grew up on wrestling as kids, it won't ever be. Why? because we are critics now. We will nit-pick anything an everything. Just like you are now, we don't enjoy it the way we did back then. So our hero's then are going to be better than the guys now.
I'm sorry, I just can't agree with you on the whole face/heel domination rule. I just don't see it in any of the performers that I mentioned. I mean, I have The Rock's DVD, Stone Cold's DVD, Tombstone: History of Taker, Summerslam, Rumble, and WM anthologies and I don't see it. I mean yea, there are a few instances where it does happen to the ones that I mentioned but not as much as to Cena and Hogan(you can still have HBK). Also, saying that HBK does it really doesn't support your point, because I can see where HBK does it, but he does it in a different manner. His matches in particular are just better looking than Cena's. If you want some examples of where they don't do it though. Look at any of Taker vs RKO matches or Taker vs. Batista, doesn't happen there. Look at Stone Cold vs. HBK WM 14, not there. Stone Cold vs. Rock WM 15, not there either. Also, in a previous post, I mention the Starrcade match, so you can have that one. Taker dominated every match he had with HBK in the late 90's and still lost them, also look at Taker and Stone Cold SS '98, not their either and I could go on. I'm still sticking with Cena does it too damn much and it is boring to watch, because we know what is going to happen before it does.
Even after I gave you examples of each. All I have to say to that is wow.
As do I, and it's there.
So you say it does, but not to the level of Cena and Hogan?
So you admit it happens. Oh HBK does it, but that doesn't count because he's HBK. The it doesn't matter if it's a better match. You know how it's going to end. Taker RKO matches I'll give you, but it was there. As for Taker Batista, you said in the last post. It doesn't count when their both faces. As both Batista and Taker were.
HBK vs Stone Cold, couldn't happen because HBK's back. Austin had to carry the match. Though I will point out that this "rule" doesn't just work in the ring, the heel always beat down the guy before the match. Then the face get's him in the match. Oh yeah that happened in their match. Stone Cold Rock same story. Oh btw go back and look at Orton Taker now, because it's there to. It's basic wrestling psychology...
Thank you.
As could I... Look up at the psychology
As we do with Hbk, Triple h, gah if you don't know what Triple h is going to do, then you need to really re-think things. Taker, has changed his game up, but before WM 20, he was the same. Yes they are all different, but you know what's going to happen. So we both agree to disagree on that issue.
Yes, we can agree to disagree, I can accept that. I'm still going to say that Cena does it too often, but oh well.
Back to Cena though, I have more than one issue with, "the face of the company." He is becoming stale and predictable on the mic, just like his matches. He isn't giving us any better mic quality than someone like The Miz or MVP. He should be excellent on the mic, but we all know what he is going to do. He is going to go for the crowd pleaser and say something funny, then he is going to get all serious and say something with his voice raised in an enraged crazy state. I mean come on, boring. Also his character is getting old. I still really don't know what he is. Why does he salute before going to the ring? Is he a soldier? I just don't get it.
BTW, his matches still suck.
Back to Cena though, I have more than one issue with, "the face of the company." He is becoming stale and predictable on the mic, just like his matches. He isn't giving us any better mic quality than someone like The Miz or MVP. He should be excellent on the mic, but we all know what he is going to do. He is going to go for the crowd pleaser and say something funny, then he is going to get all serious and say something with his voice raised in an enraged crazy state. I mean come on, boring. Also his character is getting old. I still really don't know what he is. Why does he salute before going to the ring? Is he a soldier? I just don't get it.
BTW, his matches still suck.
hArdyPUNKmArk
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LOL, Cena is one of the best on the mic at the moment and is always consistant. You mentioned MVP and Miz, they are some of the best as well so you just grouped Cena with 2 great mic workers. That's a good thing right.
He is.
Hmm, let's take a look at Orton. How does his rediculous outbursts better Cena in quality. It's the way his character is. He talks it up, pleases the crowd (Hello? Face.) and then gets to business with telling the heel (with enraged craziness as you say) what he's going to do to him etc. I'm guessing because of you obvious Cena hate that because you got owned in previous posts about his ring work you want to now go after his mic abilities. Please mate, find something better to do than blindly bash one of WWE's best workers.
The salute thing came after he did the movie The Marine I believe and it's just one of his trademark's like MVP's balling thing and Triple H's spit thing. It's just there trademark signal. His gimmick is hardly a gimmick now, it's more him (the real him) than a character. He is the biggest face on the show so of course he'll get some corny lines or whatever and at times I too get a tad board with him but I (unlike you) recognise that this isn't always down to him and fuck me, he can put on a great show and awesome promo's, I don't know what you're on but you should probably quit, it's fucking up your brain.
Great argument, where's your reasons.
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You know, even if he is stale and predictable like you say he is, he’s still better than a lot of the other wrestlers in the WWE.
He’s giving us better mic quality than both Miz and MVP. Those two should go to Cena for pointers.
And he is.
This applies for all wrestlers then. We know what they’re going to say. It’s a thing that applies for all wrestlers but you seem to think that it’s just something that applies to Cena.
You seem to not understand that Cena is a babyface. Of course he’s going to go out there and say something that he knows will please the crowd. Every babyface does that, they just do it in a different manner. But at the end the results are the same.
You don’t actually expect for Cena to go out and insult the crowd and get cheers. Do you?
If he doesn’t get serious then people won’t take him as serious. He knows when he needs to be serious and when he doesn’t.
Not really.
How is his character getting old? There’s guys that have been playing the same character for many years and I only see you complaining about Cena. Even though he’s only been doing the same act for a few years.
Does it really bother you enough to complain about it? What you’re doing is grasping at straws. You can’t find a good reason as to why you don’t like Cena.
Not really. He has had some quality matches you should find some of them. Here I’ll give you one:
Sirs, what I mean about his mic work is that it is corny. He goes for the cheapest pops all the time(I know Foley did it, but that was a trademark of Foley). He all ways says something boring or corny like, "I'm going to whip your ass all over, wherever he happens to be at the time." I mean, it is pathetic. I will agree however that faces do seem to try to please the crowd, but faces like 'Taker, HBK, Mysterio and others, when they do their crowd pleasing, it seems effortless. Sometimes I feel like Cena tries to hard to be pleasing. I would, honestly, rather have Cena be like, "I can't please everyone so whatever." That would humanize him and make him more relateable, for me anyway.
I'm not calling his character a gimmick. There is a difference between character and gimmick. Undertaker is a gimmick (not so much now, but he is) where as HBK and Cena play characters (closely related to how they are in real life). I'm just saying that he is getting kinda boring. Look at 'Taker, he knows how to remain relevant with the fans. Change costume, moves, mind set, upgrade entrances, keeps him fresh. Cena has changed his finisher to the AA (stupid ass name, F U was actually cool) and he changed his sign to, what looks like the NBA sign when anyone hits a three pointer. What was the reasoning behind that? IDK. I would really like to see Cena as a heel at some point, it would be awesome, because, believe it or not, I loved him when he was the Dr. I just think that WWE has tried to shove Cena down my throat and force me to like him, where with people like Austin or The Rock, it was effortless.
And besides his matches being stale or predictable, the match quality isn't any better. Sure, you give me examples of matches with HBK, Swagger, so on and so on, but these guys are great in ring performers and, honestly, a match with them is going to be great because they are good. Now, if Cena is so good, why can't he carry matches like that and make his matches with people who are worse than him look really good? HBK does it, Angle could do it, Austin did it, why can't Cena?
I'm not calling his character a gimmick. There is a difference between character and gimmick. Undertaker is a gimmick (not so much now, but he is) where as HBK and Cena play characters (closely related to how they are in real life). I'm just saying that he is getting kinda boring. Look at 'Taker, he knows how to remain relevant with the fans. Change costume, moves, mind set, upgrade entrances, keeps him fresh. Cena has changed his finisher to the AA (stupid ass name, F U was actually cool) and he changed his sign to, what looks like the NBA sign when anyone hits a three pointer. What was the reasoning behind that? IDK. I would really like to see Cena as a heel at some point, it would be awesome, because, believe it or not, I loved him when he was the Dr. I just think that WWE has tried to shove Cena down my throat and force me to like him, where with people like Austin or The Rock, it was effortless.
And besides his matches being stale or predictable, the match quality isn't any better. Sure, you give me examples of matches with HBK, Swagger, so on and so on, but these guys are great in ring performers and, honestly, a match with them is going to be great because they are good. Now, if Cena is so good, why can't he carry matches like that and make his matches with people who are worse than him look really good? HBK does it, Angle could do it, Austin did it, why can't Cena?
Angle doesn't do it. It's a myth. But that's beside the point.
Cena brings people up to his level to have better quality match on a regular basis. He did it with Khali in 2007, something neither Shawn nor Hunter could do. Umaga and Swagger are fine talents, but Cena brought them up to his level in their matches. Cena made people believe in these guys. In addition, how do you say that Cena didn't help carry Shawn in their matches when Michaels hadn't had a match as good as his ones with Cena in 2007 since 2003?
How the fuck does Taker remain more relevant with the fans? Cena is frequently cutting NEW promos, wearing NEW attire, and throwing up NEW hand-signs. Taker hasn't changed at all since 2004 with the exception being that he now wears tighter, non-biker pants.
Then again, I'm probably rebuesent or something, so my opinion doesn't count.
Cena brings people up to his level to have better quality match on a regular basis. He did it with Khali in 2007, something neither Shawn nor Hunter could do. Umaga and Swagger are fine talents, but Cena brought them up to his level in their matches. Cena made people believe in these guys. In addition, how do you say that Cena didn't help carry Shawn in their matches when Michaels hadn't had a match as good as his ones with Cena in 2007 since 2003?
How the fuck does Taker remain more relevant with the fans? Cena is frequently cutting NEW promos, wearing NEW attire, and throwing up NEW hand-signs. Taker hasn't changed at all since 2004 with the exception being that he now wears tighter, non-biker pants.
Then again, I'm probably rebuesent or something, so my opinion doesn't count.
Please don't get me started on Undertaker, I have had a rough day as far as he is concerned. I'm not even going to count the ways that 'Taker remains relevant with the fans. If you are a fan, then you should know how he does.
You are really going to sit there and tell me that Cena brought Khali up to a higher level of performance? You are going to say that Cena brings talent up to his level? You must be talking about level of stardom or something else because, as far as I am concerned, Cena doesn't have a level of performance that is any better than your average mid carder in the WWE. He brought Umaga and Swagger to his level? I'm sorry, but in ring wise, these guys were already on his level, maybe even surpassed his level.
Then, I saved this for last, you say that Shawn Michaels best matches since 03 were with Cena and that Cena deserves the credit for that? Man, come on! I will agree that Michaels matches with Cena were outstanding and great, but it was damn sure not because Cena brought him to his level. What about HBK vs Angle, all of those were outstanding. HBK vs Benjamin on Raw, I still call that the best match that I have ever seen on Raw. HBK vs Mcmahon WM 22, that match was even good, cause of HBK. Here recently, HBK vs 'Taker in either their Royal Rumble performance in '07 or their WM 25 match. Come on, Cena isn't anywhere near the performer of Michaels.
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Okay. I'm bored.
Oh he did. Khali is a horrible worker, and has had very few good matches. Arguably his best was with Cena.
I'd love to know what you're talking about, because I'm baffled. Level of stardom? Mid card? Cena is clearly far away from the mid card talent, otherwise, just a thought, he'd still be in the midcard. Cena is one of the best workers in the WWE, and that's a fact.
LOL. Swagger is talented, very. But to say he's as good as, possibly better than Cena, is clearly a stupid statement.
Little Jerry Lawler
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Hell yeah Cena brought Khali and Umaga to a higher level of performance. Can you name Khali's and Umaga's best matches before or after Cena? You can't because their best matches were against Cena. He helped bring Swagger to a higher level and you see where Swagger is headed now.
HBK vs. McMahon at WM 22 was awful and I believe HBK/Taker is overrated but that's a discussion for another day.
Im not talking about Cena putting Swagger over or anything like that. He definately helped Swagger make a name for himself, but he didn't help Swagger at all with his in ring performance. Since Swagger has been in the WWE, his in ring work has been comparable to other pure wrestlers like Angle or Bret Hart. Swagger's performance level is outstanding and I do consider his matches to be better than Cena's.
I mean I could get back to why Cena's matches suck, but that would be the circle that is, the *Official* John Cena Thread.
I mean I could get back to why Cena's matches suck, but that would be the circle that is, the *Official* John Cena Thread.
It somewhat agree with this statement. I also enjoy Swagger's matches very much, but I don't think he's as good as Angle or Hart, at least not yet. However, you don't have to completely bury Cena while talking about Swagger's talent. Cena is a more experienced worker than Swagger and definetly "carried" him in their match on Raw. You are completely underestimating Cena's skill's as a wrestler, which are just as good as his skills as a performer.
I never said that Swagger was as good as Angle or Hart, I said that he was comparable to those two.
Yes, I do have to bury Cena and his talent. I don't think that I am underestimating his wrestling abilities at all. He has had ample time to show us what he can do and I haven't seen anything special from him yet, except for strength(probably is pound for pound the strongest in the WWE). I want to see a classic from Cena. No, HBK and Cena doesn't count as a classic, they were good, but not classic.
Also, I have to mention this, where all the Cena haters. When I started out on this site, it was in the original Cena thread. I had alot of support back then, where did you all go? Cena does have alot more support today then he did.
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Why? Because you have blind hate for him?
Go have a look at some of the older match's he had in OVW and his early WWE career. He can do a lot more moves than what he shows on RAW/PPV but he's a top babyface and as others have pointed out to you it's the way many babyface's work, get beat up make the heel looks strong and then hit your blockbuster moves, get the crowd cheering and then hit the finisher. It's ring psycology.
So he has alot of support, does that tell you something. When he is being defended by guys like SavageTaker, Little Jerry Lawler, Becca, General Disarray and The Pebble who know their shit then you need to rethink what youre saying, you dont seem to even want to reassess Cena.Continue hating but I for one cant be fucked reading your posts anymore.
Why? Because you have blind hate for him?
Go have a look at some of the older match's he had in OVW and his early WWE career. He can do a lot more moves than what he shows on RAW/PPV but he's a top babyface and as others have pointed out to you it's the way many babyface's work, get beat up make the heel looks strong and then hit your blockbuster moves, get the crowd cheering and then hit the finisher. It's ring psycology.
Continue hating but I for one cant be fucked reading your posts anymore.
Yea. I see that those people have been brain washed by the machine that is the WWE. I have actually sit down and rethought things about Cena and to be honest I don't see any difference between him now and then. I dislike him even more now actually. That's probably because he hasn't changed.
Thank you for your support about me hating Cena. I will continue to hate him. Pissing off fans like you is what I live for.
Little Jerry Lawler
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So what defines "classic" in your opinion because I would really like to know. For the 100th time it's not about how many wrestling moves you do in the ring or even how great you execute them. It's about telling a story in the ring and getting the crowd involved in the match and Cena does that better than anybody.
I define "classic" as a match that will stand the test of time. A match, that when asked about years after it happened, you can remember almost every detail about the match and what you were doing when you watched it. Matches like HBK vs Hart WM 12, Austin vs Hart WM 13, Hulk vs Andre WM 3, Hulk vs Warrior, etc etc.
So that's all a wrestling match is huh? I mean, you don't have to be physically talented at all to be a wrestler, right? That's what you're saying. A good wrestler doesn't wrestle no no no. A good wrestler goes out and just makes sure that the crowd know what the storyline is of the match and makes sure that the crowd is into it. Well let me ask you something, would the crowd be into it if the wrestlers did not wrestle or use any moves? I'll let you answer that for yourself.
While storytelling and pyscology are huge parts of a good match, the actual physical conflict is also, equally as huge. It is the combination of all these things that seperate the good from the bad and Cena is missing that last part.
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Physical talent does play a role in it. Cena may use a limited number of moves as others have stated but he does those moves so well and gets the crowd excited so he is doing his job. People criticize Hogan for his moveset but he did what he was supposed to do better than anybody else and that's why he is considered the greatest of all time. Cena has good ring psychology and he's still young so he's got plenty of time to develop that further.
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