The *Official* John Cena Thread

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Lets see. This was not the point I made at all and you know it. It was about how effective the move looks, not how much it would hurt me if Cena picked me up and threw me to a canvas. Compare it to other finishing moves, it looks nowhere near as effective as the Pedigree, Batista Bomb, GTS, Swanton Bomb, Sweet Chin Music, Tombstone and etc.

How the hell does the Swantown Bomb look effective? It's just Hardy doing a backflip and landing on his opponent with his back. The FU looks just as good as any of those other moves and you can't tell man that lifting huge guys on your back and dropping them isn't impressive.

Because he says he doesn't care if he gets booed, but then he comes out and tries way too hard to get the crowd on his side. Which one is it?

Obviously his goal isn't to get booed, he's a face. Almost all of the stuff that he says is going to make the fans want to be on the side, that's the point. Of course, there are there are some fans that will boo him just because "He ONLY KNOWZ 5 MOVEZ!!!111!1" or he's boring or being shoved down our throats, etc. Cena doesn't get pissed about it though, he just goes out there and entertains every night.

More than you do, quite clearly. Yes it was crap when Hogan did it, but you know what? Different era. The crowd ate it up. A great deal of live crowds do not get behind the Cena finishes.

The crowd still eats it up. Cena is the biggest star in the company, like it or not. Besides, it's not like he's the only wrestler whose matches end like that. This is more or less the same for every face in almost every match.

But Cena's crowd reactions are mainly from kids and women.

First of all, how the hell do you know that? Do you keep track of how many women and children are cheering Cena compared to men? I call bullshit. Even if this was true, who cares? Women and children are people too.

The people that boo him are the ones that find him boring and are annoyed at him being pushed down their throats at every chance.

He's not being pushed down your throat!!! He's the biggest star in the compay and has only held the title for 1 month since No Way Out. He loses a fair chare of matches. If anything, WWE needs more Cena at the moment, not less.

Cena would be a mega heel if he turned and pretended that he was the best wrestler alive, because those boos would be amplified many many times. It's the same reason X-Pac got heat, and its the same reason Vicki got all that heat.

How can you compare Cena to X-Pac and Vickie Guerrero? X-Pac was a shitty wrestler who didn't get anywhere near the reactions of Cena. Vickie got heat for being a mega heel GM that would do anything for Edge to have the title. Cena is the biggest superstar currently in the WWE and gets hated for no real reason.

If they could take advantage of the fact that a great deal of viewers want to see Cena lose, then they would have high ratings, guaranteed.

I bet you a nickel you're wrong. I don't think the WWE's rating will magically improve by burying their biggest superstar. There are a lot more people that want Cena to win than their are those who want him to lose.

So please, if you're going to reply, at least try and read what you're replying to first.

no u.

 

[The Todd]

Lets see. This was not the point I made at all and you know it. It was about how effective the move looks, not how much it would hurt me if Cena picked me up and threw me to a canvas. Compare it to other finishing moves, it looks nowhere near as effective as the Pedigree, Batista Bomb, GTS, Swanton Bomb, Sweet Chin Music, Tombstone and etc.

The effectiveness of the look of the move mines jack shit in wrestling. I said it didn't matter. It gets pops when he lifts the opponent on to his shoulders. That is all that matters. A finisher is meant to be over with the crowd. The AA is.Some of the best ever finishers have looked weak, the People's Elbow, the Leg Drop and the AA.

Because he says he doesn't care if he gets booed, but then he comes out and tries way too hard to get the crowd on his side. Which one is it?

You said he acts like himself. If he panders to the crowd and respects him, that's who he is. How is he doing anything wrong with this?

Again, somewhat of a childish response.

Sarcasm mate. Some say it's the lowest form of wit, others call it childish. I find it funny. Guess that makes me childish then. Dammit.

You don't have to speak in monotone, but you don't have to go randomly nuts in the middle of sentences either.

Showing passion is a bad thing? Should Mel Gibson in Braveheart have not screamed " they'll never take out Freeeeeedooommmm" but instead have just said it? There's nothing wrong with passion at all.

More than you do, quite clearly. Yes it was crap when Hogan did it, but you know what? Different era. The crowd ate it up. A great deal of live crowds do not get behind the Cena finishes.

Complete bollocks. The modern era is going back to the days of Hogan. The days of the Attitude era have long gone. It's not about edgy TV anymore, it is about a straight story of good vs evil. The new generation of fans accept this, some stuck in the past do not. Listen to the sound next time Cena goes for the AA, is it silent? Hell no. He does it, people react. That's what wrestling is all about.

Your point about Austin shows you didn't read what I wrote at all. I specifically said that sudden finishers are good. So your points about Austin and Rock miss the mark completely.

So getting your arse kicked and hitting one move out of nowhere is okay, but getting your arse kicked and coming back to win with three or four moves is not okay? T=I don't understand this at all.

Yes, the two you mentioned are boring. But Cena's crowd reactions are mainly from kids and women. The people that boo him are the ones that find him boring and are annoyed at him being pushed down their throats at every chance.

I've been over the Cena being pushed down our throats thing time and time again, he is certainly not. Orton is the most overused character in the WWE, why does no one complain that he is in every main event, every opening of RAW and every title match? The bit about Cena's only fans being kids and women has been proved wrong. In the crowd there are plenty of males wearing Cena shirts, and on this board there are plenty who say they like Cena who are not kids.

Cena would be a mega heel if he turned and pretended that he was the best wrestler alive, because those boos would be amplified many many times.

No they wouldn't. If Cena turned heel the people who boo him would then cheer him.

It's the same reason X-Pac got heat, and its the same reason Vicki got all that heat.

X-Pac heat is bollocks. Go in the "General wrestling" section and read the thread "Smark Killers part one" and read the responses in there because this is not the thread. Oh, and Vickie was the best heel in the business when she was here.

If they could take advantage of the fact that a great deal of viewers want to see Cena lose, then they would have high ratings, guaranteed.

Cena brings in ratings, it has been proved with his returns to the ring. How would him losing bring in more ratings? There are more people who like Cena than hate him.

 

[Wakers]

Oh dear oh dear. You guys just cannot read responses properly, as I thought. Don't think I'll stick around these forums.

I make one point, and you guys answer it by using completely different points Or just spouting bollocks.

I read in another thread that someone said Cena is on the same level as Taker and HBK when it came to in ring psychology. I've never laughed so hard this week.

 

[The Lord of PPVs]

I've been over the Cena being pushed down our throats thing time and time again, he is certainly not. Orton is the most overused character in the WWE, why does no one complain that he is in every main event, every opening of RAW and every title match? The bit about Cena's only fans being kids and women has been proved wrong. In the crowd there are plenty of males wearing Cena shirts, and on this board there are plenty who say they like Cena who are not kids.

Pardon me Pebble, but you are completely full of shit. The only reason we get Orton shoved down our throats every fucking week, is that he is certainly the only person on Raw who can play the heel with some legitimacy. There are a number of people on Raw who can play the face easily, and draw huge pops, BUT the only godforsaken face we ever see is JOHN frickin' CENA!

 

[Paradox]

Pardon me Pebble, but you are completely full of shit. The only reason we get Orton shoved down our throats every fucking week, is that he is certainly the only person on Raw who can play the heel with some legitimacy. There are a number of people on Raw who can play the face easily, and draw huge pops, BUT the only godforsaken face we ever see is JOHN frickin' CENA!

Cena isn't the only face that we see on Raw, he's actually been taking a back seat as of late. Because there is this other face... Triple h... He's basically been in the main event picture since he came over to raw. Not Cena. Then when he was gone Batista was. So that's a load of crap. If you think that Orton is the only one that can play a heel you're wrong. Miz is a damn good heel. Gets great heat whenever he hits the ring. As well as Big Show, as much as I hate him he is good heel. So don't go hating on people and propping people up tell you know what you're talking about.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Well ladies and gentleman I'm back and I am back to address Cena. Let's face it, John Cena is one hell of an entertainer. His promos are starting to suck, however, he knows what makes a good match, psycology and high impact moves.

With that said, can the man wrestle? The answer is hell NO!!!!!!!!!!! We are not seriously going to sit here and compare Cena to the likes Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit (Yea I said it), Rey Mysterio, Dean Malinko, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, etc.

He is more of an Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Rock, Steve Austin type, however, Rock and Austin could actually wrestle, but they weren't that good. These guys were great at entertaining but we rarely seen any wrestling moves from them aside from some suplexes and body slams. The Rock used the sharpshooter much like Cena's STF.

What I am saying is, yea he excites the crowd but can he wrestle? HELL NO!!!

 

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Oh dear oh dear. You guys just cannot read responses properly, as I thought. Don't think I'll stick around these forums.

I make one point, and you guys answer it by using completely different points Or just spouting bollocks.

I read in another thread that someone said Cena is on the same level as Taker and HBK when it came to in ring psychology. I've never laughed so hard this week.

How have we dodged the anwers? Please explain that to me, I feel both Pebble and I came up for reasons as why your post was nothing more than blind Cena hate.
I've posted several stories about TNA iMPACT and WWE's ECW and each's ratings this television season.

Pardon me Pebble, but you are completely full of shit. The only reason we get Orton shoved down our throats every fucking week, is that he is certainly the only person on Raw who can play the heel with some legitimacy.

Raw may be lacking a lot of main event heels, but that doesn't mean we have to listen to a 15 mintues Orton promo along with 3 backstage segments with some sort of handicap match in the main event to start. Just because he's the highest heel on the card doesn't mean he's good.

There are a number of people on Raw who can play the face easily, and draw huge pops, BUT the only godforsaken face we ever see is JOHN frickin' CENA!

Really? All of a sudden it's easy to draw huge pops just because you're a face? I think not by friend, and I use MVP as my example. Also, I would hardly say that Cena is the only face seen on Raw. He hasn't been near that title for a few months, which gave us a heavy dose of Batista and Triple H while Cena was stuck with Big Show. In no way, shape, or form can that be described as being shoved down our throats.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Raw may be lacking a lot of main event heels, but that doesn't mean we have to listen to a 15 mintues Orton promo along with 3 backstage segments with some sort of handicap match in the main event to start. Just because he's the highest heel on the card doesn't mean he's good.


I am sorry sir, but Orton is probably the best heel in the WWE. His character is great, he can cut a good promo, his in ring work is outstanding, and his ring psycology is awesome. Orton, in my opinion, needs to be shoved into the spotlight because he is much better than Cena with the character he plays. You know, I never thought that I would pay mind to something that Jericho said but when he said that the only people who cheer for Cena are prebuesent boys and older women, he was right. A true fan of the business shouldn't like Cena. He just isn't good enough.

 

[Paradox]

I never thought that I would pay mind to something that Jericho said but when he said that the only people who cheer for Cena are prebuesent boys and older women, he was right. A true fan of the business shouldn't like Cena. He just isn't good enough.

A true fan of the business shouldn't like Cena? That is some of the biggest crap I've ever heard. Cena is one of the best in the business to day. He works his ass off for this business. Doing anything and everything to promote the business. I'm guessing the many on this forum that appreciate Cena aren't true fans of the business. He isn't good enough? Good enough for what?

 

[The Todd]

Pardon me Pebble, but you are completely full of shit. The only reason we get Orton shoved down our throats every fucking week, is that he is certainly the only person on Raw who can play the heel with some legitimacy. There are a number of people on Raw who can play the face easily, and draw huge pops, BUT the only godforsaken face we ever see is JOHN frickin' CENA!

That response is the one full of shit my friend. He can be compared to Orton. There is no way Orton gets out of this because "he's a heel so he's cool". Orton is the top heel, Cena the joint top face. I'll throw in HHH to shall I?

Let's take a look at John Cena, Randy Orton and HHH since the start of the year shall we? Strap in and we'll go for the ride.

Royal Rumble - Championship defence against JBL. The feud for this match was JBL/HBK. Cena was an afterthought. Orton main evented the Raw's leading up to it and won the Rumble. HHH was the runner up of the Rumble, lasting longer than Orton and almost surviving a three on one beatdown.

No Way Out - Cena loses his title in an Elimination Chamber after being eliminated after two minutes. All the focus was on Edge. Orton had a crap fest with Shane McMahon which got more build. HHH won the SD elimination chamber, pinning Undertaker and surviving a tombstone.

'Mania - Cena won the title in a triple threat, of which the main feud was Edge and Show fighting over Vickie. Cena was an afterthought. Orton was in the crapfest of a main event and was in the last segment every Raw until 'Mania. HHH see Orton.

Backlash - Hoorraaayy! Cena main evented a PPV...and lost his belt. Orton and HHH were in their most exciting match, because here were others involved.

Judgment Day - Cena gets put in a horrible programme with Big Show. No being put back in the title picture straight away. HHH was injured. Orton had a shite match with Batista.

Extreme Rules - Cena gets another shite match with Big Show, miles away from the title. HHH still injured. Orton another shite match with Batista which he loses.

The Bash - Cena gets a match with The Miz. The Miz! He's being used to feud with midcarders! HHH makes a glorious return straight back into the title scene. Orton has since won back the title and defends it in three seperate shite falls with HHH.

Night of Champions - Finally Cena is back in the main event, to stop HHH vs Orton being another shite match.

So Cena is in the main event of a show twice, which he loses both, one of which inside two minutes. HHH is in the main event at Rumble, 'Mania, Backlash, The Bash. The others he was injured. Orton was in the main event at the Rumble, 'Mania, Backlash, Judgment Day, Extreme Rules and The Bash.

So both HHH and Orton are shoved down our throats more than Cena. Apparantly it's okay for Orton to bore us all the time, but Cena can't entertain us? So come to me with facts why Cena is shoved down our throats and why it is okay for Orton to be.

 

[The Todd]

I am sorry sir, but Orton is probably the best heel in the WWE. His character is great, he can cut a good promo, his in ring work is outstanding, and his ring psycology is awesome.

There is no way Orton's promos are better than Cena's. Orton's are boring, Cena's are entertaining. How are Orton's better?

Orton, in my opinion, needs to be shoved into the spotlight because he is much better than Cena with the character he plays.

How? Cena is the best character in the business. The place is rocking when he enters, full of cheers and boos. Everyone has an opinion. When Orton enters there is noise, but not as much as Cena. People are more invested in Cena's character.

You know, I never thought that I would pay mind to something that Jericho said but when he said that the only people who cheer for Cena are prebuesent boys and older women, he was right.

Wrong. Watch raw next time. When Cena enters they look to the crowd and grown men have Cena shirts and are cheering. Also people on this forum who are neither kids or women like John Cena. There is proof you're wrong. Where is the proof you're right?

A true fan of the business shouldn't like Cena. He just isn't good enough.

Worst statement I have ever read on this forum, and I've read some people say Shelton Benjamin should be a world champion. Why shouldn't a true fan of the business like Cena? Come on, tell me your reasoning.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Raw may be lacking a lot of main event heels, but that doesn't mean we have to listen to a 15 mintues Orton promo along with 3 backstage segments with some sort of handicap match in the main event to start. Just because he's the highest heel on the card doesn't mean he's good.


I am sorry sir, but Orton is probably the best heel in the WWE. His character is great, he can cut a good promo, his in ring work is outstanding, and his ring psycology is awesome. Orton, in my opinion, needs to be shoved into the spotlight because he is much better than Cena with the character he plays. You know, I never thought that I would pay mind to something that Jericho said but when he said that the only people who cheer for Cena are prebuesent boys and older women, he was right. A true fan of the business shouldn't like Cena. He just isn't good enough.

I mainly disagree with your opinion of his outstanding in-ring work. For so many main events matches and great opponents he has been with, they tend to be forgettable. The last Orton match I seen that was great was three or four years ago and that was when he was the cocky and arrogant superstar. Jericho is the best heel right now because of all the points you stated about Orton and his matches have been better.

Orton is shoved into the spotlight because he is the champion. Does nearly every RAW begin and end with Orton in some fashion? We've seen Orton/HHH a hundred times over the past few months so how should he be shoved into the spotlight more.

You may criticize Cena's fan base but he still gets one of the best crowd reactions out there. It doesn't matter which people cheer for him, it's about how many cheer for him. He's still selling merchandise and performing in the good in the ring so that's all that matters.

 

[The Lord of PPVs]

Alright. I will agree with you in the fact that orton has bored everyone watching to death. I get sick of his bullshit statements and the fact that he is in EVERY in ring segment. But, I won't deny Cena sells Merchandise. John Cena is a very good entertainer to most, but every time he's on TV, I change the channel. I will agree that HHH/Orton has been used to death, and that Cena's been out of the picture awhile, but I say GOOD RIDDANCE. I just get tired of his lame ass moves, and the fact that right before the STF he always does that diving fame asser. And the Protoplex, right before the Five Knuckle Shuffle. He's too damn predictable.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Alright. I will agree with you in the fact that orton has bored everyone watching to death. I get sick of his bullshit statements and the fact that he is in EVERY in ring segment. But, I won't deny Cena sells Merchandise. John Cena is a very good entertainer to most, but every time he's on TV, I change the channel. I will agree that HHH/Orton has been used to death, and that Cena's been out of the picture awhile, but I say GOOD RIDDANCE. I just get tired of his lame ass moves, and the fact that right before the STF he always does that diving fame asser. And the Protoplex, right before the Five Knuckle Shuffle. He's too damn predictable.

You can't call Cena predictable without calling HHH, Orton, and HBK that as well. So what if he does the same moves every time. Who doesn't do that? Hogan did it, The Rock did it, and Steve Austin did it, so why should Cena be any different?

 

[SSJPhenom]

Let's get right to it. I am going to stand by everything I said. No one on this forum can deny that it is fact that the majority of Cena fans are rebuesent boys and women, but the majority of WWE fans are actually men between the ages of 15 and 30 (look it up). Yes Cena can sell merchandise, but that goes back to the fact that he caters to young boys, who bug their parents to death for his shit. Yes Cena can entertain. He does get a response whether it be people booing him or cheering him. Personally the only cheers that I hear for him is when his music is playing. When that cuts out, it's BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Can the man wrestle? HELL NO! His moves are predictable at best. We all know that Cena is going to get his ass whipped all match and then hit his 5 moves and win. We all know that. No you can not call Orton, HHH, or HBK predictable in that fashion because they at least do smaller moves than their signature moves. The only moves that Cena do are signature. We never see a desperation sleeper hold, suplex, or something. Orton, HHH, and HBK all do something other than signatures.

Also someone in this forum said that Cena was the best character, not even close. It is and has been for the last 19 years The Undertaker

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Let's get right to it. I am going to stand by everything I said. No one on this forum can deny that it is fact that the majority of Cena fans are rebuesent boys and women, but the majority of WWE fans are actually men between the ages of 15 and 30 (look it up). Yes Cena can sell merchandise, but that goes back to the fact that he caters to young boys, who bug their parents to death for his shit. Yes Cena can entertain. He does get a response whether it be people booing him or cheering him. Personally the only cheers that I hear for him is when his music is playing. When that cuts out, it's BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Can the man wrestle? HELL NO! His moves are predictable at best. We all know that Cena is going to get his ass whipped all match and then hit his 5 moves and win. We all know that. No you can not call Orton, HHH, or HBK predictable in that fashion because they at least do smaller moves than their signature moves. The only moves that Cena do are signature. We never see a desperation sleeper hold, suplex, or something. Orton, HHH, and HBK all do something other than signatures.

Also someone in this forum said that Cena was the best character, not even close. It is and has been for the last 19 years The Undertaker

So what if his cheers mainly come from prepubescent (that's how you spell it) boys and women. If he still gets one of the best crowd reactions every night, I don't give two shits about what they are composed of.

I've said it before and I will say it again because most people on here seem like they haven't watched wrestling before. Every wrestler is predictable and how can they not see this. HBK does the same moves leading up to SCM and HHH does the same moves leading up to the Pedigree. The Five Knuckle Shuffle and the other stuff he does before the AA are leading up to that move. He does suplexes during matches but you obviously have never watched a Cena match so you don't see it being done. So come up with a better reason why Cena can't wrestle other than "his moves are predictable."

 

[SSJPhenom]

Yes, HBK does do the same moves leading up to the supposed SCM (he rarely ever hits it after his build up and we usaully get to see at least 5 more minutes of wrestling before we see it out of nowhere) and HHH does do his same set up before the pedigree (same as HBK), but what I am saying is that the only moves that we will see from Cena before his signatures are a punch, perhaps a kick, maybe a clothesline, and a random shoulder block or two (which is a signature for him). Where is a random sleeper hold, maybe a scoopslam, perhaps a verticle suplex, I would settle for a headlock. Do we see these things? NO! Will we see HBK use a random Crippler Crossface (yes I am calling it that), maybe a sleeper hold, or another submission or an actual "wreslting move?" YES! HHH throws random offense in aswell with some actual wrestling moves. I wasn't talking about Cena's build up, I was talking about his entire match. Any wrestling fan knows their favorite superstar's moves set before their finisher because most have a set of signatures before a finisher, but Cena just seems to get an ass whipping and then magically hit his 5 signatures and end the match just like his last match with The Miz on Raw. I think he channels Hulk Hogan, he just doesn't Hulk up.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Yes, HBK does do the same moves leading up to the supposed SCM (he rarely ever hits it after his build up and we usaully get to see at least 5 more minutes of wrestling before we see it out of nowhere) and HHH does do his same set up before the pedigree (same as HBK), but what I am saying is that the only moves that we will see from Cena before his signatures are a punch, perhaps a kick, maybe a clothesline, and a random shoulder block or two (which is a signature for him). Where is a random sleeper hold, maybe a scoopslam, perhaps a verticle suplex, I would settle for a headlock. Do we see these things? NO! Will we see HBK use a random Crippler Crossface (yes I am calling it that), maybe a sleeper hold, or another submission or an actual "wreslting move?" YES! HHH throws random offense in aswell with some actual wrestling moves. I wasn't talking about Cena's build up, I was talking about his entire match. Any wrestling fan knows their favorite superstar's moves set before their finisher because most have a set of signatures before a finisher, but Cena just seems to get an ass whipping and then magically hit his 5 signatures and end the match . just like his last match with The Miz on Raw. I think he channels Hulk Hogan, he just doesn't Hulk up.

Go and watch ten Cena matches and I bet you that he does suplexes and sleeper holds in more than half of them. Generally getting you ass whupped and coming back to win is what happens in face-heel matches more often than not. If Cena was dominating matches against heel, most people would complain that Cena is burying them or not doing the job right when in actually he is. He lets the heel dominate most of the match then he builds up and comes back for the win. It has been that way forever.

 

[Franchize1990]

Yes, HBK does do the same moves leading up to the supposed SCM (he rarely ever hits it after his build up and we usaully get to see at least 5 more minutes of wrestling before we see it out of nowhere) and HHH does do his same set up before the pedigree (same as HBK), but what I am saying is that the only moves that we will see from Cena before his signatures are a punch, perhaps a kick, maybe a clothesline, and a random shoulder block or two (which is a signature for him). Where is a random sleeper hold, maybe a scoopslam, perhaps a verticle suplex, I would settle for a headlock. Do we see these things? NO! Will we see HBK use a random Crippler Crossface (yes I am calling it that), maybe a sleeper hold, or another submission or an actual "wreslting move?" YES! HHH throws random offense in aswell with some actual wrestling moves. I wasn't talking about Cena's build up, I was talking about his entire match. Any wrestling fan knows their favorite superstar's moves set before their finisher because most have a set of signatures before a finisher, but Cena just seems to get an ass whipping and then magically hit his 5 signatures and end the match just like his last match with The Miz on Raw. I think he channels Hulk Hogan, he just doesn't Hulk up.

I saw Cena's last match with The Miz on Raw, as I'm sure everyone else did, and I can not only say that you were wrong but, I can show you that the video proves that all his moves aren't all signatures.

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Just in case you don't want to watch the entire match, I'll have the moves he used against The Miz below. Also, I'm one of the newer wrestling fans that really didn't get into the WWE until The Rock and Austin were in their final years with the business so I get some of the moves wrong, feel free to correct my mistakes.

1st Video

3:18-A random back elbow (not sure if that constitutes as a move or not, your opinion)
3:21-Standing hip toss
3:26-There's the scoop slam you wanted
3:29-Elbow drop
4:20-Back body drop
4:28-Fisherman's suplex you were asking about
4:35-Sleeper hold you said he never uses
7:15-A failed attempt at a bulldog but, I thought I'd bring it up

2nd Video

0:58-Drop toe hold (your opinion on wheather that's a signature move or not)

Then the rest of the match was bascially his signature moves, although he used just about all of them instead of his usual shoulder blocks, protoplex, and five knuckle shuffle. So by my count, that's six for sure offensives moves with three that are up for debate. It's alright if you don't find Cena interesting and everything but please hate him for the right reasons.

 

[SSJPhenom]

So finally we have the one exception to the Cena rule! I mentioned that match, not for his wrestling moves, but to prove the point that he was dominated throughout 90% of that match and then miraclously won. Also, the bulldog and fisherman's suplex that you mentioned, those are signatures, you can see them in way over half of his matches. And sir I appreciate your opinion on how I should hate Cena and trust me, there are several reasons as to why I hate him, but his predictable matches and move set is the main reason why I hate him.


And to Little Jerry Lawler, it is not the heel dominating in ever face/heel match. Don't make up rules to support your point. Austin, The Rock, HBK, HHH, Bret Hart, Flair, Goldberg, Sting, Undertaker, Lesnar, hell even Mysterio and I could go on, but the point is that I can't remember the last match that I ever seen these guys get dominated and come back and win, whether they were a heel or a face (except Hogan beat the shit out of Sting at Starcade and Sting won). NO sir, your theory only applies to Hogan and Cena.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So finally we have the one exception to the Cena rule! I mentioned that match, not for his wrestling moves, but to prove the point that he was dominated throughout 90% of that match and then miraclously won. Also, the bulldog and fisherman's suplex that you mentioned, those are signatures, you can see them in way over half of his matches. And sir I appreciate your opinion on how I should hate Cena and trust me, there are several reasons as to why I hate him, but his predictable matches and move set is the main reason why I hate him.


And to Little Jerry Lawler, it is not the heel dominating in ever face/heel match. Don't make up rules to support your point. Austin, The Rock, HBK, HHH, Bret Hart, Flair, Goldberg, Sting, Undertaker, Lesnar, hell even Mysterio and I could go on, but the point is that I can't remember the last match that I ever seen these guys get dominated and come back and win, whether they were a heel or a face (except Hogan beat the shit out of Sting at Starcade and Sting won). NO sir, your theory only applies to Hogan and Cena.

My good sir, I don't make up rules. If you ever watch a heel-face matchup do you see the face dominate most of the time. No you don't because if they do it, it wouldn't make the heel look good.

Mysterio gets dominated most of the time and he comes back to win. Lesnar shouldn't even had been in your post because he never really got dominated by one single superstar. How are Cena's bulldog and suplex signature moves? So I guess HHH's high knee is a signature move and Orton's backbreaker is a signature move since they do it in almost every match.

 

[SSJPhenom]

My good sir, I don't make up rules. If you ever watch a heel-face matchup do you see the face dominate most of the time. No you don't because if they do it, it wouldn't make the heel look good.

Mysterio gets dominated most of the time and he comes back to win. Lesnar shouldn't even had been in your post because he never really got dominated by one single superstar. How are Cena's bulldog and suplex signature moves? So I guess HHH's high knee is a signature move and Orton's backbreaker is a signature move since they do it in almost every match.

You are exactly right. The high knee, AA spinebuster, and face breaker are HHH signatures. The back breaker, second rope DDT, knee drop, and the walk around stomp are Orton's signature. A signature just doesn't lead up to a finisher, but a signature is a move that the wrestler does alot of.

Most of the stars that I mentioned all have more of an even competition then they do, either dominate or get dominated. Cena seems to be the only one that's like a timex, takes a lickin, etc etc. I atribute that to his lack of moves in his set. So he goes out, get's his ass whipped hits his 5 to 6 moves and goes home your winner. I mean hell, the Miz dominated him on Raw. That is bad for anyone, let alone Cena. The man can't wrestle.

 

[Genocyde]

You are exactly right. The high knee, AA spinebuster, and face breaker are HHH signatures. The back breaker, second rope DDT, knee drop, and the walk around stomp are Orton's signature. A signature just doesn't lead up to a finisher, but a signature is a move that the wrestler does alot of.

Cena will use fisherman suplex, bulldog, top rope legdrop, hiptoss, etc. as his "signature" moves. If you actually paid attention to Cena's matches, you will realize he uses those moves a lot along with his usual sequence of moves that he always does to build up for the F-U (I refuse to call it the attitiude adjustment). I actually think I have see more moves out of Cena then I have Trips.

Most of the stars that I mentioned all have more of an even competition then they do, either dominate or get dominated. Cena seems to be the only one that's like a timex, takes a lickin, etc etc. I atribute that to his lack of moves in his set. So he goes out, get's his ass whipped hits his 5 to 6 moves and goes home your winner. I mean hell, the Miz dominated him on Raw. That is bad for anyone, let alone Cena. The man can't wrestle.

Just because he let Miz dominate the match does mean he can't wrestle. That just makes the Miz look good even though he was booked to lose. They had Khali own Taker. Does that mean Taker can't wrestle? I'm sure you will that it doesn't.

But really, if you're going to debate over Cena's wrestling skills, I'll post up a match that doesn't fall into the "typical Cena match" category. Granted, it's with Shawn, but there's no way HBK could have carried someone in a match for 40 minutes without the other person throwing some offense of their own.

You are exactly right. The high knee, AA spinebuster, and face breaker are HHH signatures. The back breaker, second rope DDT, knee drop, and the walk around stomp are Orton's signature. A signature just doesn't lead up to a finisher, but a signature is a move that the wrestler does alot of.

Cena will use fisherman suplex, bulldog, top rope legdrop, hiptoss, etc. as his "signature" moves. If you actually paid attention to Cena's matches, you will realize he uses those moves a lot along with his usual sequence of moves that he always does to build up for the F-U (I refuse to call it the attitiude adjustment). I actually think I have see more moves out of Cena then I have Trips.

Most of the stars that I mentioned all have more of an even competition then they do, either dominate or get dominated. Cena seems to be the only one that's like a timex, takes a lickin, etc etc. I atribute that to his lack of moves in his set. So he goes out, get's his ass whipped hits his 5 to 6 moves and goes home your winner. I mean hell, the Miz dominated him on Raw. That is bad for anyone, let alone Cena. The man can't wrestle.

Just because he let Miz dominate the match does mean he can't wrestle. That just makes the Miz look good even though he was booked to lose. They had Khali own Taker. Does that mean Taker can't wrestle? I'm sure you will that it doesn't.

But really, if you're going to debate over Cena's wrestling skills, I'll post up a match that doesn't fall into the "typical Cena match" category. Granted, it's with Shawn, but there's no way HBK could have carried someone in a match for 40 minutes without the other person throwing some offense of their own.

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[SSJPhenom]

Cena will use fisherman suplex, bulldog, top rope legdrop, hiptoss, etc. as his "signature" moves. If you actually paid attention to Cena's matches, you will realize he uses those moves a lot along with his usual sequence of moves that he always does to build up for the F-U (I refuse to call it the attitiude adjustment). I actually think I have see more moves out of Cena then I have Trips.

Just because he let Miz dominate the match does mean he can't wrestle. That just makes the Miz look good even though he was booked to lose. They had Khali own Taker. Does that mean Taker can't wrestle? I'm sure you will that it doesn't.

But really, if you're going to debate over Cena's wrestling skills, I'll post up a match that doesn't fall into the "typical Cena match" category. Granted, it's with Shawn, but there's no way HBK could have carried someone in a match for 40 minutes without the other person throwing some offense of their own.

You are right. The match was with HBK, probably the best in ring performer in the WWE today. NO, he couldn't carry Cena for the entire match, but he did do alot of the offense in the match and alot of the story telling came from his psyche. I love your Khali and 'Taker reference. Yes, Khali owned 'Taker, but 'Taker has proven himself, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is one hell of an in ring performer, so he can take a whipping and it be ok(BTY Khali won that match and we are talking about getting dominated and still winning). Ecspecially since they wanted Khali to be huge from the start. The Miz domination over Cena, didn't help him at all. To be honest, it kinda hurt him. He had two matches against Cena and dominated them both and couldn't pull out the win. Some jaded fans might not look highly upon that. If he had got the win on Raw, then we could talk about him being put over.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Cena will use fisherman suplex, bulldog, top rope legdrop, hiptoss, etc. as his "signature" moves. If you actually paid attention to Cena's matches, you will realize he uses those moves a lot along with his usual sequence of moves that he always does to build up for the F-U (I refuse to call it the attitiude adjustment). I actually think I have see more moves out of Cena then I have Trips.

Just because he let Miz dominate the match does mean he can't wrestle. That just makes the Miz look good even though he was booked to lose. They had Khali own Taker. Does that mean Taker can't wrestle? I'm sure you will that it doesn't.

But really, if you're going to debate over Cena's wrestling skills, I'll post up a match that doesn't fall into the "typical Cena match" category. Granted, it's with Shawn, but there's no way HBK could have carried someone in a match for 40 minutes without the other person throwing some offense of their own.

You are right. The match was with HBK, probably the best in ring performer in the WWE today. NO, he couldn't carry Cena for the entire match, but he did do alot of the offense in the match and alot of the story telling came from his psyche. I love your Khali and 'Taker reference. Yes, Khali owned 'Taker, but 'Taker has proven himself, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is one hell of an in ring performer, so he can take a whipping and it be ok(BTY Khali won that match and we are talking about getting dominated and still winning). Ecspecially since they wanted Khali to be huge from the start. The Miz domination over Cena, didn't help him at all. To be honest, it kinda hurt him. He had two matches against Cena and dominated them both and couldn't pull out the win. Some jaded fans might not look highly upon that. If he had got the win on Raw, then we could talk about him being put over.

A midcarder can lose against a main eventer and can be still put over. Cena put Swagger over when he faced him and let him get in most of the offense. Swagger was more credible and he won against MVP and looks in line to get the U.S. Title down the road. Miz was stuck in a tag team before he feuded with Cena and now he has gained credibility for taking it to Cena and he has been improving.

HHH let Shelton Benjamin beat him a couple of times in 2004. Shelton hasn't done much since then so Benjamin winning didn't really do anything. Morrison losing to Edge helped put Morrison over and now he is continuing to have good matches and could be a championship contender down the road.