"Stop watching if you don't like it"

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I constantly see people use this response when other people are criticizing something in the WWE.

This basic premise of "If you don't like what you're watching, then don't watch". Even it the thing being criticized is just ONE PERSON on the show (John Cena usually). Then they'll use some lame comparison to someone who does't like the videos shown on MTV (although videos are rarely shown ON MTV), and how they just don't watch, they don't complain about it.

Just to show you how stupid that argument is, I'll turn it around on you.

If you hate the IWC so much, stop participating. Stop going to "Wrestling Communities" on the INTERNET if you don't like what so many people have to say. You come in here and "bash" the IWC for a multitude of reasons, the same way these IWC people are "bashing" the WWE.

You tell them to stop watching the WWE since they have so many negative things to say. So how about you take your own advice and stop exposing yourself to something that bothers you.

 

[Eyebrows]

I do love the denial of the people coming onto IWC boards and then claiming they aren't part of the IWC then select handles like 'THE IWC SUCKS' or 'THE IWC IS THE PROBLEM'. 'Cause obviously they have all the answers.

People watch because even if a show is 90% shit the remaining 10% might be an excellent match or excellent promo that's worth watching. Personally, I'll just find it online rather than sitting through a whole show. I did watch last week's Raw in it's entirety though and thought it was brilliant.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Well said.

The only people I hate more than people who constantly complain about the product, are the people who constantly complain about the people complaining about the product.

It seems like it has become cool to be "anti-IWC" nowadays. Some people are even so dumb that they say "I am not part of the IWC" while posting comments on wrestling dirtsheets, forums,etc. Anybody who discusses wrestling on the internet is part of the Internet Wrestling Community (IWC).

Don't like being a part of the IWC, stop participating in the wrestling discussions/message boards etc. Different people have different opinions.

 

[sjdigitall]

I think we should stop trying to outsmart each other. IWC & Anti-IWC, i hate these labels, i think weve gotten to the point where we have an opinion, whatever it is, doesnt have to be attached to a label like being an IWC thing or an Anti-IWC thing. We are all wrestling fans, we have different opinions, stop trying to outsmart each other and just enjoy the engaging discussions on this site

 

[GeneralKarim]

It's usually people who have nothing to offer to the conversation that say stuff like this.

I mean for example.If I dislike the way the John Cena character is being handled and how younger talent is being heavily misused and I say that, among other things, a dude who is blind and just wants the argument over already would say :"Dont watch it if you don't like it" and that basically should negate everything I have to say.

Problem is people are invested.People have been fans of the product for a long, long, long time and its almost a "lifestyle" to watch wrestling.People dedicate their lives to being wrestling fans.It is more than just a habit, it's a passion.

Why do you think there is so much outcry from the viewers of a TV Show ( eg. Game of Thrones ) when a character that is portrayed as important just gets mercilessly killed off?Because people are invested and they lash out because of their emotions that are tied to the character and it's further development.I mean did you see the reaction for the "Red Wedding" episode?It might seem dumb on the surface to react that way but not all people can control their emotions and take things more lightly.

Does that mean they should stop watching?because something happened that they didnt like and they are crying about it?

WWE has the fans by the balls that's the problem here.They cram a lot of bs down our throats with the occasional glimpse of hope to keep us "happy" and in our place.But some people get sick of it and unload, on forums, twitter, w/e.And they are met with that famous line that's supposed to fix everything.

After you've invested 10years+, or even 5 in wrestling and u are hooked and all that, is it really that easy?to just not watch it and not die of curiosity inside?

I have friends that only watch Wrestlemania because they don't give two shits about wrestling.They are fans of a few WWE characters and want to see them perform on the grandest stage.But they don't care about it.They could stop watching if they dont like it because it's not in their system.My friend whom I watch Wrestlemania with every year, is watching basically for guys like : Cm Punk, Cena, Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, The Rock.

All his fucks are reserved for guys like that, he has no more fucks left to give about the awesomeness of the Wyatt Family or Daniel bryan, or the Shield, or Damien Sandow or Tony Cesaro and his match of the year with El Generico.For him it would be easy to just stop watching.

But for people who are invested in the product as a whole, who are "real" wrestling fans, it is out of the question to just stop watching cause Dolph Zigger is getting buried or cause Damien Sandow is mia.

 

[Kidpolean]

I constantly see people use this response when other people are criticizing something in the WWE.

This basic premise of "If you don't like what you're watching, then don't watch". Even it the thing being criticized is just ONE PERSON on the show (John Cena usually). Then they'll use some lame comparison to someone who does't like the videos shown on MTV (although videos are rarely shown ON MTV), and how they just don't watch, they don't complain about it.

Just to show you how stupid that argument is, I'll turn it around on you.

If you hate the IWC so much, stop participating. Stop going to "Wrestling Communities" on the INTERNET if you don't like what so many people have to say. You come in here and "bash" the IWC for a multitude of reasons, the same way these IWC people are "bashing" the WWE.

You tell them to stop watching the WWE since they have so many negative things to say. So how about you take your own advice and stop exposing yourself to something that bothers you.

I dont really agree with anything you said

First off...there is a difference between complaining and complete bashing. I dont have a problem with people saying that certain story lines are bad or that they dont like certain wrestlers or that a ppv was bad, that's all fine. My problem is the people that constantly post thing like "if wwe doesnt give DB the belt than I will stop watching" or "im glad that I didnt get the wwe network." Just look around this forum and count how many times you will see someone say that this will be the worst Wrestlemania of all time. The card hasnt even been finalized yet and we havent seen the event. Then see how many people say that they stopped watching for several years or that they wont pay for anything wwe related. Well why the hell are you on this forum? This forum is for wwe fans to discuss wwe but all it has turned into is ridiculous fantasy booking and nonsense. Most of the bashing is for no reason and not logical at all. I personally think Smackdown is terrible so I dont watch it but I bet you cant find one thread of mine bashing Smackdown.

Secondly, the term IWC has become more of a stereotype than an actual group of people. I think that people on here try to ignore this concept. We all know what people mean when they refer to the IWC. They are NOT talking about all people that post in wrestling forums. They are talking about the people that all have the same sort of Indy wrestlers are better than all wwe wrestlers mindset. IWC is considered guy that bash all things wwe, glorify vanilla midgets lol, think that all mid card indy wrestlers should main event Wrestlemania, think they are smarter than wwe bookers, thinks that they are smarter than all wrestling fans, calls wwe entertainment and NOT real wrestling, and many other things that I cant really think of right now.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Only hipsters and bullshitters use the phrase IWC anymore. It really has no meaning other than to give label to the people you don't like on the forums.

You know what is worse than telling people to stop watching something that pisses them off? Acting like the majority of this so called IWC are the ones pissing on the product when in reality they are not. Most members that do have proved they really don't know what they are bitching about and/or are just trying to find some reason to poke holes at a staged television show. When the majority are being entertained, and you have some doofus stirring up bullshit, then by the powers of the internet it is okay to tell that person to calm down and change the channel if their jimmies are being rustled that badly.

It is a show. When you go on forums about Bates Motel or Game of Thrones and see people posting negative things about the show you love, it's okay to defend it and tell that person to relax. It's almost insane not to tell that neurotic someone to stop watching. Who wants to see negative posts everyday from people who really have no business being mad about these things?

 

[wwewz]

I think who "IWC" applies to is debatable. Some think it's anyone who talks on a wrestling forum, some think it's basically a wrestling troll who likes the opposite of what they like.

To me it's the definition that's found on google:

Otherwise known as the Internet Wrestling Community. A group of people, who tend to criticize the favorable Pro Wrestling product, and favor the minority Pro Wrestling product such as FIP, or ROH. Tend to have a different look on the ring work. Seem to enjoy Pro Wrestlers with little to no personality that can put on meaningless 50 plus minute matches of 80% Gymnastic spot fests, and 20% actual wrestling that neither tell a story about either wrestler nor showcase the selling of any maneuvers longer than 30 seconds.
The "IWC" is basically a group of Pro Wrestling "Smark" fans that spend the majority of their life in Message boards or Wrestling chat rooms. They usually tend to argue with women and children (extremely pathetic in nature)and pose an arrogant attitude. People of the "IWC" are generally social rejects that tend to fit extremely well with the typical suburban highschool geek or misfit. However the ones that are much older will tend to have facial hair, and appear ungroomed.

I don't consider myself part of "IWC" because firstly I only like WWE. I don't care about independent wrestling, or great matches outside of WWE.
I also talk about and think about WWE more, away from the internet.
I only make the odd comments and I don't log on to WZ mad, wanting to write a comment about how bad something is and how to book shows or matches.

When I come on to WZ it's obvious to me that the majority of people who comment all have the same favorites (Bryan, Punk, Wyatt, Shield, Ziggler, Cesaro)
Basically the non-WWE guys. And they want them to be against "the man" and beat "the machine"
But that's nonsense to me. I don't care about politics. I want to see part-timers that I like because I want to be entertained now, I believe other wrestlers have plenty of time to shine, if they can't get over around the part-timers, I think it's because they're not good enough.

And I'm not a Cena fan but I respect the size of his fanbase, and I see their opinions just as valid as any other fans. I wouldn't say "You're obviously a Cena fan so you know nothing about wrestling, and must have only been watching for a couple of years"

 

[Headman]

I constantly see people use this response when other people are criticizing something in the WWE.

This basic premise of "If you don't like what you're watching, then don't watch". Even it the thing being criticized is just ONE PERSON on the show (John Cena usually). Then they'll use some lame comparison to someone who does't like the videos shown on MTV (although videos are rarely shown ON MTV), and how they just don't watch, they don't complain about it.

Just to show you how stupid that argument is, I'll turn it around on you.

If you hate the IWC so much, stop participating. Stop going to "Wrestling Communities" on the INTERNET if you don't like what so many people have to say. You come in here and "bash" the IWC for a multitude of reasons, the same way these IWC people are "bashing" the WWE.

You tell them to stop watching the WWE since they have so many negative things to say. So how about you take your own advice and stop exposing yourself to something that bothers you.

You're framing the argument wrong. The people who get the "Stop watching" line are the people who complain about the product as a whole. They want one element they like to dominate every aspect of the show and won't be happy until that happens. Some people act as though watching the current product causes them great pain. If that is the case they should stop watching. Somebody probably said that to you and now you're all butt hurt about it. As for the IWC comments, that term seems to be replacing the old "Smart mark" term and I'm kinda happy about that since the word smart doesn't come to mind when I think of most malcontent wrestling nerds.

 

[Mongoose McQueen]

For me personally, I don't have a problem with the internet fans (I am one myself) so that be hypocritical of me to even consider saying that I hate the IWC. For me, it's more that I constantly see John Cena bashing and and how he's buried certain untalented superstars and how much they hate him etc...THEN if they don't like watching him, don't watch his part on Raw. Simple as that, I am a big John Cena fan and I find that very frustrating.

The same goes for Batista, Randy Orton and Triple H etc...people always bashing them and complaining how much they hate the, if they hate them THAT much then why do they keep watching their TV segments or their matches? it's just plain stupid.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I see both sides of it. If someone sees something going down that they're not into, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with voicing that displeasure. Whether I agree or disagree is beside the point as they're entitled to their opinion every bit as much as I'm entitled to mine. If you don't like Orton & Batista being in the main event, for instance, I see nothing wrong with letting WWE know about it. If you do, then that's great; more power to you.

For me, there are a couple of big problems. One is the CONSTANT and seemingly never ending tsunami of criticism about the same old stuff: "John Cena Sucks", "John Cena Can't Wrestle", "Triple H Is Holding Guys Back", "WWE Sucks Because They Do Enough Big High Spots", "Randy Orton's Had Everything Handed To Him", "Vince Only Likes To Push Big Muscular Guys," "WWE Doesn't Know What It's Doing", and on and on it goes. I can't count the number of times I've seen threads or posts on those particular subjects and others just like them. No matter how many times logical counterarguments with actual facts to back them up can be made, many of those same critics keep complaining about the same old thing. That's why I generally don't argue about things. If I think someone's wrong, I'll say so, give my reasons why and leave it at that because it's not worth wasting time bickering back and forth.

A second one applies to the "stop watching if you don't like it" bit. When it comes to the "stop watching if you don't like it" attack, I honestly think it's viable when it comes to trolls who do damn near nothing but complain. It's mind boggling that someone spends their time watching a television program and then going online to complain about damn near everything going on with it. If someone thinks WWE, Game of Thrones, The Big Bang Theory, The Walking Dead or whatever are just flat out lousy; then why watch only to gripe about them? The passion argument doesn't hold up, in my opinion, in the face of someone who simply flat out hates what they're watching and/or doing but continue to watch/and or do it anyway. I'm pretty passionate about Jennifer Lawrence. Outta my league? LOL bet your ass she's outta my league, but a man can dream. But my oh my the things I'd do to that woman. But if I went out with her, she was a total bitch pain in the ass and I wound up being unable to be in the same room with her for wanting to rip her guts out to hang her with them, I'd call it quits. If you've gotten to the point where you flat out can't stand something whether it's WWE, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, certain movies, certain music or your job but still devote your time & energy to it all the same; then it's time to hang it up and move onto something else.

 

[#tamale]

If people were smart about their criticisms towards the WWE, then that phrase wouldn't be uttered. Your argument makes no sense. Why would I not defend the product that I love? It's far from perfect but it's something I enjoy. So, when the criticisms actually make sense, then a well done debate can be had. Until then, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

And using the IWC term to defend yourselves is such a cliche.

 

[Radical Canadian Goose]

I think that every single one of us has complained about the product or a certain wrestler, justly or unjustly, at one point or another over the past 20 years. Are we all entitled to our opinions, surely. However, it seems to be "cool" to bash the IWC on a forum because we don't like their opinion. It is simple, if you have nothing positive to offer to the conversation then stay out of it. As we were all taught as children, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

 

[Messiah]

Just to show you how stupid that argument is, I'll turn it around on you.

If you hate the IWC so much, stop participating. Stop going to "Wrestling Communities" on the INTERNET if you don't like what so many people have to say. You come in here and "bash" the IWC for a multitude of reasons, the same way these IWC people are "bashing" the WWE.

Nice try, but this is a stupid comparison...


People complain about everything that goes on in WWE. They never praise it about anything, just bitch and moan about it. Now tell me, what the hell is the point of that? Do you really want to spend your life complaining about something on the internet?... You would be better off not watching the product. Take a look at majority of the forums on the internet, most of the threads and comments are negative.


I just turned it around on you, bitch

 

[George Steele's Barber]

All our lives would be better if we stopped watching professional wrestling. There are far more productive things to do in one's life like catching up with family, reading, or Satanism. And there really are posters that seem like they're reaching that point in life, like most other former fans, where the product is just not for them. And there are other posters that are so high strung that I worry that they are going to throw themselves off a cliff if their favorite wrestler is on the losing team of an eight man tag match where someone else on their team takes the fall after getting hit by battering ram. BURIED! BURIED! BURIED! And then there are others that are so stupid they can't even figure out what is going on. If you hate PG or you think creative haven't had a good idea since The Mean Street Posse or can't live without chair shots to the head, WWE is probably not something you should waste your time on.

But yes, sometimes "don't watch anymore" gets thrown around unnecessarily or sarcastically but honestly there are some people that would really benefit from finding a new interest. Maybe like crystal meth or dog fighting or dogs fighting on crystal meth.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

If I can't stand something, if I hate it, I'll stop supporting the problem. It's that simple. I can't stand ANYTHING with Adam Sandler's name on it now a days. The solution? I don't watch his movies or anything with Happy Madison Productions attached to it.

Of course, I'll complain about WWE every now and then, but if I ever reach a level of a hatred or disgust with WWE, I'll just take a break, or I'll consider pulling the plug for good. It doesn't make sense to constantly bitch and moan about something, or TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS WITH A LOT OF EXCLAMATION MARKS on an internet wrestling forum, YouTube, or other places to get your point (or lack there of) across. Life is too short to waste so much energy and time hating WWE or any other pro wrestling organization (that's why I'm a casual, or "once in a while" viewer for TNA now).

But a lot of the "I'll stop watching!" complaints come from wrestling fans with unrealistic expectations. Over the years, I can't count the number of "WWE dropped the ball" with said wrestler, or "WWE is sabotaging" said wrestler's push threads for Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Wade Barrett, Zack Ryder, Cody Rhodes, and others.

In fact, I vividly remember someone on here creating a "What happened to Cody's push? thread after the Raw match with Randy Orton a while ago. WWE never had any plans for a BIG Cody Rhodes' push. Cody was just a cog in the wheel to help push The Authority storyline, and that's it.

You can't have a roster with ten or fifteen elite main eventers to fill the the role for a John Cena, Randy Orton, or CM Punk. That's not a realistic way of looking at the situation. Everyone has to fill a specific role to split the roster into different categories (main event, mid card, etc.). You can't ignore the problems for a horrible imbalance on WWE's roster to fulfill your personal wishes for your favorite having a lengthy reign as WWE WHC Champion, and a main event spot at Wrestlemania.

 

[spg]

Every single one of us is a wrestling fan, that's why we're here. We have an opinion, i like this person or that person. There is people that the company push, there is person who a majority of the fans want pushed. It's a down time, give us the michaels/hart of just now, cena is dead, we want bryan. He's over like no one since austin, basketball, the superbowl, he's over. It doesn't feel like they have done it in a while, give me my payoff at mania.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I do love the denial of the people coming onto IWC boards and then claiming they aren't part of the IWC then select handles like 'THE IWC SUCKS' or 'THE IWC IS THE PROBLEM'. 'Cause obviously they have all the answers.

People watch because even if a show is 90% shit the remaining 10% might be an excellent match or excellent promo that's worth watching. Personally, I'll just find it online rather than sitting through a whole show. I did watch last week's Raw in it's entirety though and thought it was brilliant.

But then, why if someone thinks that 10% of Raw was good, or that they liked a match or segment, do they often then mention the 90% of what they do like on here, and not so much of the 10% you did like.

If you like a match or promo, why not mention it, what you liked, recommend it to us so that we will go to Youtube and watch it for ourselves.

If there was even a 50-50 balance on this board, about the positive and negative, it may not be so bad. But more people talk about what they didn't like, rather than what they did. Maybe people's expectations are too high, and if they lowered them, they may enjoy more things.

If you have no expectations, you can't be disappointed, because either it meets your low expectations, or exceeds them. How can you lose?

 

[d_henderson1810]

Here's an example of how I deal with WWE disappointment, and others do.

My favourite wrestler growing up was Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. I marvelled at his matches, I cheered when he won. One of my favourite wrestling memories was when Howard Finkel announced at Wrestlemania III:- "Your winner, and NEW INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION- RICKY "THE DRAGON" STEAMBOAT!". My brother was a Randy "Macho Man" Savage tragic, so I got to stick it to him.

However, I was disappointed when Steamboat lost the IC title, not just to anyone, but to the most useless fat ass in wrestling, the Honky Tonk Man. I hated Honky's very existence at the time, and was angry that WWF had not only stripped my fave of a title, but put it on one of the most useless in-ring talent jokes ever.

I was also disappointed that Steamboat never got a rematch for his IC belt, and that Savage, who Steamboat beat at WM3 and was getting the WM main events and World Titles (so my brother got one back on me). You think pinning someone hurts their push. It was only upward and onward for the losing man at WM3, while the winner sunk into obscurity.

However, I still follow WWE all these years later. Just because they screwed over one of the greatest in-ring talents in WWE history, it doesn't mean I stopped watching. In fact, any time I don't like what WWE did, I just do my own version on the wrestling video games. Like, in my story in the video game, I had Steamboat go heel for the WWE disrespecting him, and he took out Honky Tonk with a guitar and beat him down. Savage came to Honky's rescue and Steamboat fled, and then had Steamboat-Savage at S'Slam in an IC Ladder Match (which was awesome when I played it on the game). I often take my frustrations out this way, and feel better about watching the product. If I think I can do better, then I just do it on the game, with my booking, and no politics and favours.

However, if DB doesn't get the WWE Title at WMXXX, there are some who swear that they will never watch again. Not getting what you want is not enough reason to stop watching. If it was, I would have stopped watching in 1988.

Your fave can't always win. You don't abandon your football team because they may not win all the time, and not play in the Superbowl, and stick fast. They may not deliver when you want, but you miss out if you stop watching and things turn around.

If you stick fast during the bad times, you really enjoy the good times more.

 

[Eyebrows]

But then, why if someone thinks that 10% of Raw was good, or that they liked a match or segment, do they often then mention the 90% of what they do like on here, and not so much of the 10% you did like.

Human nature, I suppose. People are always more vocal when something isn't to their liking, whether it's the field of wrestling, politics or art.