RIP Kanyon

[Via Armbar]

Yeah, if you are of right mind.

We still on this? Right of mind or not, it's a decision that is made. Everybody has a literal choice in his/her actions. Like I said, there could be outside forces at play but still at one point the addict has to physically pick up his drug of choice and use. There isn't a drug addict who's body was physically controlled by outside forces and made them do drugs.

There are plenty of metally unstable people in the world who choose not to rape, steal, dro drugs etc etc. Not saying that those three things are on the same level, just iterrating the point that choices are made everyday by the mentally unstable. I know nobody here is going to argue that he was in some way MORE mentally unstable than everyone who doesn't do those things.

Fuck it. It's more fun to watch this from the sidelines.

 

[Slyfox696]

We still on this? Right of mind or not, it's a decision that is made. Everybody has a literal choice in his/her actions. Like I said, there could be outside forces at play but still at one point the addict has to physically pick up his drug of choice and use. There isn't a drug addict who's body was physically controlled by outside forces and made them do drugs.

There are plenty of metally unstable people in the world who choose not to rape, steal, dro drugs etc etc. Not saying that those three things are on the same level, just iterrating the point that choices are made everyday by the mentally unstable. I know nobody here is going to argue that he was in some way MORE mentally unstable than everyone who doesn't do those things.

Fuck it. It's more fun to watch this from the sidelines.

Oh no, Armbar, he HAD to take those drugs which caused his suicide. He had no choice in the matter.

It's absurd the lengths people will go to excuse poor decision making. Like you said, in the end, it's a choice. I choose to not feel sympathy for someone who chose drug addiction and chose suicide.

That's all I'll post in this thread. I'll let you take over from here. Or Klunker, I see him lurking in here.

 

[klunderbunker]

No I'm planning something. I have no time to post in here.

Wait.

 

[X]

Why are you reveling in your ignorance and/or naivete of mental illness guys?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I'm still waiting on a definitive answer as to whether or not you choose to wet the bed.

 

[Via Armbar]

Why are you reveling in your ignorance and/or naivete of mental illness guys?

Because we aren't medical experts like you and Ricky. So because we disagree, we just don't understand? It has just gone completely over our heads? Maybe we completely understand what mental illness is and believe it has no effect over the ultimate choice we make.

 

[Razz]

Really sad to hear another Wrestler death possibly of drugs or suicide. Kanyon provided me a little of great wrestling moments in my teens during the pre/post attitude era watching him in WCW. He was one of the guys that kept me entertained on the WCW side of things. Mortis was a neat gimmick but he become even better as just Kanyon with his catchy phrase "Who betta than kanyon?". He was actually pretty decent in the ring and had a few good angles and matches. I didn't mind his work in WWE eitheir but WWE didn't use him right an up to his potential just like many other WCW guys from the Huge like Goldberg to someone even like Ernest Miller.

 

[X]

Because we aren't medical experts like you and Ricky. So because we disagree, we just don't understand? It has just gone completely over our heads? Maybe we completely understand what mental illness is and believe it has no effect over the ultimate choice we make.

No offense Armbar but that statement in itself is an example to me that you don't really understand the severity mental illness can take on a person. If you think the bipolar junkie is shooting up because he just loves living in a trash can in an alleyway and not because he's trying to self-medicate his personal demons and pain and isn't strong enough to solve his problems through reaching out for help and helping themselves. than I just don't know what to tell you man. We're not saying you have to feel sorry for his death we're just saying don't try and make us feel bad for feeling sorry about his death.

 

[Via Armbar]

No offense Armbar but that statement in itself is an example to me that you don't really understand the severity mental illness can take on a person. If you think the bipolar junkie is shooting up because he just loves living in a trash can in an alleyway and not because he's trying to self-medicate his personal demons and pain and isn't strong enough to solve his problems through reaching out for help and helping themselves. than I just don't know what to tell you man. We're not saying you have to feel sorry for his death we're just saying don't try and make us feel bad for feeling sorry about his death.

And THIS statement is an example of how you believe you can tell somebody that they don't understand somethign because they disagree with it. I honestly believe I am well versed on the subject and have more than enough personal experience dealing with said issues to have a more than valid opinion on the subject. It's somewhat ridiculous to assume you know more than Sly or I on the subject simply because we have opposing views. You're better than that.

Again, I've never once said you guys should feel bad for mourning his death. I would never argue over how someone chooses to mourn a loved one or in this case an entertainer or anyone for that matter. That isn't even debatle, something that is based soley on personal emotion and apathy. I was only arguing what I believe about addiction.

 

[CynicSteve]

Ok, there is no way I'm getting involved in this debate. I will say I think you are all being extremely disrespectful. This was supposed to be a thread honoring the memory of a performer. Not an indepth discussion on your personal opinions on the topic of depression or drug use. If you want to talk about this stuff there are places on the forum that you could easily do that. IT SHOULD NOT BE HERE. This should be a place for fans to come and be able to say a few words about a man who at one point was able to make people smile.

Out of all of the Kanyon gimmicks, I have to say the dumbest one is the one who made me laugh the most. For a while he was booked as Chris "Champagne" Kanyon. They tried to make him look like he was upper class but he still had that Jersey accent. It was so ridiculous that it was very funny.

 

[Slyfox696]

Ok, there is no way I'm getting involved in this debate. I will say I think you are all being extremely disrespectful. This was supposed to be a thread honoring the memory of a performer.

But when that performer is a drug addicted suicide statistic, why should we honor that? Why not honor people who do good things in life?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

So, Sly...because someone is addicted to drugs and commits suicide...that makes him or her incapable of doing good things? Or they are simply nullified?

 

[Slyfox696]

So, Sly...because someone is addicted to drugs and commits suicide...that makes him or her incapable of doing good things? Or they are simply nullified?

And what were the good things Kanyon did?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Once again...not answering the question.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Ricky, stop acting like an idiot and playing little child games. You are making yourself look bad. You are better than that

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

What? Because I'm not sucking on Sly's teet? It's about time somebody did this. I ask a question...Sly doesn't answer it. Sly asks a question...I don't answer, and I'm a coward.

 

[Slyfox696]

Once again...not answering the question.

Oh, I am answering the question, but you need to tell me the good things he's done, so I can answer whether or not it's nullified.

Ricky, stop acting like an idiot and playing little child games. You are making yourself look bad. You are better than that

That's all he has, little word games, because he knows he's been losing this argument.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

his answer is implied within the response. You arent stupid, so stop acting like you are

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I don't know the good things he's done. Surely he has done something over his lifespan that is of merit. Perhaps being human in and of itself is something that should be celebrated.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

It's about dynamics, Norcs.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

It's about dynamics, Norcs.

 

[Slyfox696]

I don't know the good things he's done. Surely he has done something over his lifespan that is of merit. Perhaps being human in and of itself is something that should be celebrated.

So now we should honor the suicidal drug addict because of some unknown good he supposedly has done, the likes of which no one on this forum knows about?

No, I will not honor that, I'll leave it up to the people who actually knew him and could speak to those good things you suppose he has done. Thus, to honor a suicidal drug addict for good you have no idea if he's done or not, is silly.

Thank you.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

lulz I love how any time anyone debates Sly on anything they are all "ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS DAMMIT"



What the fuck is he, the krakken?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

So now we should honor the suicidal drug addict because of some unknown good he supposedly has done, the likes of which no one on this forum knows about?

No, I will not honor that, I'll leave it up to the people who actually knew him and could speak to those good things you suppose he has done. Thus, to honor a suicidal drug addict for good you have no idea if he's done or not, is silly.

Thank you.

Not if the poster determines that being a person in and of itself is something worth honoring.

 

[Slyfox696]

lulz I love how any time anyone debates Sly on anything they are all "ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS DAMMIT"



What the fuck is he, the krakken?

Apparently I've never been in a debate on these forums before.