Raw LD 8/3 - Tune in to hear Rollins make a "broken face" of the WWE comment

[Crocker]

So if they give you what you want, you bitch, but if they don't give you what you want, you bitch.

Very reasonable WWE fan, I must say.

Do I need to explain this again? That so called "run" was to shut the fans up. It hardly felt like one..

Remember a few years ago when you said Ryder should have gotten a midcard run, and I pointed out that he DID get that run?

Read the above post

His popularity waned when Jersey Shore's popularity waned. He was nothing more than mimicking that abortion of a show, and he couldn't even do that right. When he was let go, a bunch of wrestling hipsters started liking him ironically. WWE saw through this, put a belt on him and made him a cash cow for a little while, and then chuckled as Cena stole his girlfriend.

Wrong. His popularity waned when he was jobbing to Kane weekly and never getting revenge, plus Cena fighting all his battles for him AND stole his girlfriend. He could've been a cash cow for longer obviously

To think anyone threatened to hijack the show due to Zack Ryder is the greatest bit of drivel I've ever read on these forums.

Not to the extent of Daniel Bryan, but we did hear "We want ryder" chants for very long. And they were very audible.

Again, it doesn't matter if his run was 1 month or 1 minute- you said he didn't get a midcard run. He did. Now stop lying to yourself.

I'm getting sick and tired of arguing with you and Bernkastel

 

[Bernkastel]

Do I need to explain this again? That so called "run" was to shut the fans up. It hardly felt like one..

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Do I need to explain this again? That so called "run" was to shut the fans up. It hardly felt like one..

That's been explained in its entirety. Why you can't see why it's irrelevant is anyone's guess at this point, though.

Read the above post

It was cringe-worthy the first time. I'll just take your word for it.

Wrong. His popularity waned when he was jobbing to Kane weekly and never getting revenge, plus Cena fighting all his battles for him AND stole his girlfriend. He could've been a cash cow for longer obviously

Daniel Bryan made much more out of a lot less. Ryder was a one trick pony and everybody has moved on from him now.

Not to the extent of Daniel Bryan, but we did hear "We want ryder" chants for very long. And they were very audible.

Has it occured to you yet that the WWE fans like to chant shit for the hell of it? They did the same thing with Matt Hardy. Nobody but emo teenagers wanted to see Matt Hardy.

I'm getting sick and tired of arguing with you and Bernkastel

You know you can leave the Quote button alone and do the world a favor, right?

 

[L@RISANO]

 

[Crocker]

That's been explained in its entirety. Why you can't see why it's irrelevant is anyone's guess at this point, though.



It was cringe-worthy the first time. I'll just take your word for it.

You're being really ignorant right now. How long have you been watching seriously? How do you not know WWE's methods by now?

Daniel Bryan made much more out of a lot less. Ryder was a one trick pony and everybody has moved on from him now.

Nope. Daniel Bryan had a clean win over John Cena and was in main events. Can't say the same for Ryder.

Has it occured to you yet that the WWE fans like to chant shit for the hell of it? They did the same thing with Matt Hardy. Nobody but emo teenagers wanted to see Matt Hardy.

Oh yes thats a perfect way to justify not pushing someone.

You know you can leave the Quote button alone and do the world a favor, right?

You do it first. I don't want to argue with you again. So pointless

 

[Spidey Revivey]

You're being really ignorant right now. How long have you been watching seriously? How do you not know WWE's methods by now?

1. Because I am a casual fan who isn't so stuck up I'd say I knew WWE's methods.

2. How can you claim to know said methods and call everyone who disagrees with you a "WWE apologist"? Tell me how that horsey poo works.

Nope. Daniel Bryan had a clean win over John Cena and was in main events. Can't say the same for Ryder.

That's right. That would be because Ryder was a one trick pony that everyone got bored with. Believe I mentioned that already.

Oh yes thats a perfect way to justify not pushing someone.

Do you play "Freebird" when the audience demands it? No. It's heckling. Like the "You Can't Wrestle" and the "CM Punk" chants are.

Nobody can be stupid enough to think people would pay to see Ryder as a long-term champ, could they? At least tell me you wouldn't want that. wwwyki

You do it first. I don't want to argue with you again. So pointless

NOOO YOUUU HANG UP FIRST!!! <3

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Yes, because he had the easiest material to get heel heat with and he got cheered instead. Rollins would have had every guy in the building booing him and instilling a sense of empathy for Cena if he had done his job. He didn't. So whether or not he nails most of his other promos is irrelevant because clearly he dropped the ball tonight. And now it's up to Cena to recapture all the heat for the feud that Rollins lost. Assuming that there's no more build tonight.

If Cena can't get over, it's HIS FAULT. People are tired of Cena. People HATE John Cena. Get over yourself.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

If Cena can't get over, it's HIS FAULT. People are tired of Cena. People HATE John Cena. Get over yourself.

I'm sure people hate you. Life is full of disappointments. The difference is they don't spend the majority of their time bitching and complaining about someone they are clearly obsessed with even through they say they "hate" that person.

Look at that moron Crocker. He made a ratings thread as a clear attempt to take a shot at Cena. I'm sure the dipshit forgot about someone known as Brock Lesnar showing up. Or that we're building towards the second biggest PPV of the year. But hey, I'm sure those things had nothing to do with it. It was probably all Cesaro or some other stupid thing you guys can come up with.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

If Cena can't get over, it's HIS FAULT. People are tired of Cena. People HATE John Cena. Get over yourself.

What show are you watching? Cena's not over?

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I'm sure people hate you. Life is full of disappointments. The difference is they don't spend the majority of their time bitching and complaining about someone they are clearly obsessed with even through they say they "hate" that person.

Look at that moron Crocker. He made a ratings thread as a clear attempt to take a shot at Cena. I'm sure the dipshit forgot about someone known as Brock Lesnar showing up. Or that we're building towards the second biggest PPV of the year. But hey, I'm sure those things had nothing to do with it. It was probably all Cesaro or some other stupid thing you guys can come up with.

People hate me? Probably on this site, but not in real life. Point is, John Cena is a face, which means he is meant to be liked. However he isn't by a good portion of the WWE audience, so clearly he's doing something wrong. Maybe it's not his fault, but he will take the blame, rightfully so.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

What show are you watching? Cena's not over?

No, Cena isn't over with at least half the WWE Universe.. He gets a lot of boos and then the #1 heel in the company gets "Thank You" chants for accidentally injuring Cena. A lot of people are tired of and don't like John Cena.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Point is, John Cena is a face, which means he is meant to be liked.

Not really, he is meant to make money.

However he isn't by a good portion of the WWE audience, so clearly he's doing something wrong.

Not really as long as the rest of what he does makes WWE more money than what they pay him.

Maybe it's not his fault, but he will take the blame, rightfully so.

For making WWE tons of money? Blame on.

 

[Crocker]

BSE, do you realize that Bernkastel says that Cena is basically a "troll heel"? How delusional can people be seriously?? How anyone views Cena as a heel just baffles me. Me and BSE are the only logical people in this thread

I'm sure some people in this thread said that only neckbeards, who make a small portion of the audience, boo Cena. That is absolutely WRONG. Cena is booed on a weekly basis and that is not my opinion, that is a fact.

 

[Crocker]

If Cena can't get over, it's HIS FAULT. People are tired of Cena. People HATE John Cena. Get over yourself.

What baffles me even more is how Bernkastel called Rollins a bad heel for failing to get the crowd to boo him on ONE night. Like please, ONE night he gets cheers and you call him a bad heel? PLEASE give me one other instance where Rollins was cheered as a HEEL. Every other week besides this ONE week, he gets massive heat and "you sold out" chants.

Going by Bernkastel's logic, if Rollins is a bad heel, then Cena is the worst face of all time. #WWEapologistlogic

Sounds like I'm being a little too harsh on Cena. The correct people to blame are Vince and the creative team; Cena wanted to turn heel during his feud with The Rock, even planned a new attire and all that, but plans changed at the last minute. I can't wait for HHH to replace Vince

 

[Bernkastel]

I'm sure people hate you. Life is full of disappointments. The difference is they don't spend the majority of their time bitching and complaining about someone they are clearly obsessed with even through they say they "hate" that person.

Look at that moron Crocker. He made a ratings thread as a clear attempt to take a shot at Cena. I'm sure the dipshit forgot about someone known as Brock Lesnar showing up. Or that we're building towards the second biggest PPV of the year. But hey, I'm sure those things had nothing to do with it. It was probably all Cesaro or some other stupid thing you guys can come up with.

He also forgot that individual talents are rarely responsible for the numbers that live shows like RAW garner, and it is more of the collect roster and WWE name brand that draws, but he's clearly too stupid to have figured that.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Not really, he is meant to make money.

Not really as long as the rest of what he does makes WWE more money than what they pay him.

For making WWE tons of money? Blame on.

Faces are meant to be cheered. Cena is a face.

Faces are also meant to be over with the whole crowd.

No. For being booed by half the crowd.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

No, Cena isn't over with at least half the WWE Universe.. He gets a lot of boos and then the #1 heel in the company gets "Thank You" chants for accidentally injuring Cena. A lot of people are tired of and don't like John Cena.

You must be a troll. You must be a troll...

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

You must be a troll. You must be a troll...

How so? For proving my point?

Here's a link to a video proving Cena is the most hated face of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp3RSeJnC2k

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Rollins has been cheered numerous times during his heel run.


The Cena argument is ten years old. He is a unique case. Get over it.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Faces are meant to be cheered. Cena is a face.

Faces are also meant to be over with the whole crowd.

No. For being booed by half the crowd.

You don't understand Cena's role and that is OK. You are still a child and have a long time to learn and figure things out. Plus this is pro wrestling so it is incredibly unimportant, if you never learn that is fine too.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

You don't understand Cena's role and that is OK. You are still a child and have a long time to learn and figure things out. Plus this is pro wrestling so it is incredibly unimportant, if you never learn that is fine too.

Cena's role is to get over. He's the "face of the company" for a reason. He is meant to be cheered. He is booed by half the crowd. He's NOT doing his job.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Rollins has been cheered numerous times during his heel run.

The Cena argument is ten years old. He is a unique case. Get over it.

Rollins is now being cheered because people are tired of Cena.

Which makes it even more ridiculous.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Cena's role is to get over. He's the "face of the company" for a reason. He is meant to be cheered. He is booed by half the crowd. He's NOT doing his job.

Amazing what people will believe if you make them think they are "in the know". I'm not sure if that makes you a mark or a smark.

 

[Bernkastel]

Amazing what people will believe if you make them think they are "in the know". I'm not sure if that makes you a mark or a smark.

Smark. Smarks in my opinion are people that misinterpret the knowledge that the industry has allowed them to know. Seems to describe BSE pretty well.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Amazing what people will believe if you make them think they are "in the know". I'm not sure if that makes you a mark or a smark.

Are you going to debate what I said isn't true? Faces are meant to get over, and Cena's pretty hated by a good bit of the WWE Universe. That's a pretty easy observation. Definitely not rocket science.