Raw LD 8/3 - Tune in to hear Rollins make a "broken face" of the WWE comment

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Smark. Smarks in my opinion are people that misinterpret the knowledge that the industry has allowed them to know. Seems to describe BSE pretty well.

Smark. Mark. Whatever. What I said was true.

These are some points I made that are facts.

1. John Cena is a face.
2. Faces are meant to be cheered.
3. John Cena is booed by at least half of the crowd.
4. Therefore, John Cena is not doing his job right.

You can deny those facts, which you probably will, but those are indeed facts.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

1. John Cena is a face.
2. Faces are meant to be cheered.
3. John Cena is booed by at least half of the crowd.
4. Therefore, John Cena is not doing his job right.

John Cena's job is the same as any professional wrestler's job: to make money for his promotion (WWE). Being that he's doing it far and away (still an understatement) better than anyone in the entire world, I'd say he's pretty successful.

What you're describing is a standard means to that end. Clearly he's found a better route.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Smark. Mark. Whatever. What I said was true.

These are some points I made that are facts.

1. John Cena is a face.
2. Faces are meant to be cheered.
3. John Cena is booed by at least half of the crowd.
4. Therefore, John Cena is not doing his job right.

You can deny those facts, which you probably will, but those are indeed facts.

John Cena's Job is to get over. Doesn't matter how he does. He's over. Job's done. You sir are an idiot. Argument is 10 years old. He's over. Get over it.

 

[Crocker]

John Cena's job is the same as any professional wrestler's job: to make money for his promotion (WWE). Being that he's doing it far and away (still an understatement) better than anyone in the entire world, I'd say he's pretty successful.

What you're describing is a standard means to that end. Clearly he's found a better route.

You're such a damn mark

Far better than anyone else in the entire world? That is an overstatement.. you're saying Cena is a WAY bigger draw than Undertaker, Lesnar, HHH, and Rock? I understand Cena is probably the biggest FULL TIME draw, but to say hes bigger than anyone else in the entire WORLD? Now that's just delusional..

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

You're such a damn mark

Far better than anyone else in the entire world? That is an overstatement.. you're saying Cena is a WAY bigger draw than Undertaker, Lesnar, HHH, and Rock? I understand Cena is probably the biggest FULL TIME draw, but to say hes bigger than anyone else in the entire WORLD? Now that's just delusional..

Are you really trying to put UT and HHH in that? You're the delusional one. But yes, I should've clarified that I was specifying full time. If we're talking one-off appearances Rock and Lesnar are enormous draws.

I should also clarify my lack of knowledge of the big promotions from other countries such as NJPW, AAA, etc. So for the huge fans of those, I apologize if there is anyone on that level.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

You're such a damn mark

Far better than anyone else in the entire world? That is an overstatement.. you're saying Cena is a WAY bigger draw than Undertaker, Lesnar, HHH, and Rock? I understand Cena is probably the biggest FULL TIME draw, but to say hes bigger than anyone else in the entire WORLD? Now that's just delusional..

Cena has helped create a generation of WWE fans. Every kid that gets hooked on his bright colors, potty mouth, inoffensive looks, and positive message is a revenue stream that goes well beyond a strong buyrate for a single PPV. His lame ass stale character has brought in many young fans and the support of their parents that will continue to bring in money for years to come, even long after Cena is retired.

Rock, UT, Brock, Sting, and HHH can help a single buyrate or gate and they have helped build lifelong fans but if we are talking about overall dollars, Cena has blown them away over the past 10 years and will continue to do so while WWE is looking to bring in young easily influenced money (I mean fans).

But you and BSE can go on about cheers and boos. All that and a nickel will get you a cup of coffee in 1955 (which is basically where your view of how professional wrestling works seems to be stuck).

 

[Spidey Revivey]

People could just start a thread about this sort of thing, instead of running another expired LD into the ground. Food for thought.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

People could just start a thread about this sort of thing, instead of running another expired LD into the ground. Food for thought.

Useless threads are the cause of global warming. The average temperature of the earth went up half a degree just from BSE's part-time question thread.

 

[Bernkastel]

You're such a damn mark

Far better than anyone else in the entire world? That is an overstatement.. you're saying Cena is a WAY bigger draw than Undertaker, Lesnar, HHH, and Rock? I understand Cena is probably the biggest FULL TIME draw, but to say hes bigger than anyone else in the entire WORLD? Now that's just delusional..

Of course Cena is a bigger draw than Lesnar and Rock. He has longevity and consistency that those guys have never been shown to have. Lesnar works like 12 dates a year. The total amount of money he brings in is going to be way less than Cena's. LOL @ putting Taker and HHH in the conversation. Cena surpassed both as a draw years ago when all 3 were still working full time.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

God what a horrible wrestler Stone Cold was back in 1996. Getting mostly cheers when he was supposed to be the bad guy. He definitely wasn't doing his job right.

 

[Crocker]

Of course Cena is a bigger draw than Lesnar and Rock. He has longevity and consistency that those guys have never been shown to have. Lesnar works like 12 dates a year. The total amount of money he brings in is going to be way less than Cena's. LOL @ putting Taker and HHH in the conversation. Cena surpassed both as a draw years ago when all 3 were still working full time.

Cena is not a bigger draw than Lesnar and Rock Lmfao

Whenever Rock comes back, the ratings SKYROCKET. Whenever Lesnar wrestles, buyrates and network subscriptions SKYROCKET. They are two one of a kind wrestlers; Lesnar is the most legit pro wrestler ever and Rock is the most successful pro wrestler in terms of mainstream success. Cena is a great draw, hes the best full-time draw, but he just cannot compare to the drawing power of these two. Theres a reason why Royal Rumble 2013, headliend by Rock vs Punk, was the largest drawing RR in 6 years.

Cena may be a bigger draw than HHH, but not Undertaker.

 

[Bernkastel]

Cena is not a bigger draw than Lesnar and Rock Lmfao

Whenever Rock comes back, the ratings SKYROCKET. Whenever Lesnar wrestles, buyrates and network subscriptions SKYROCKET. They are two one of a kind wrestlers; Lesnar is the most legit pro wrestler ever and Rock is the most successful pro wrestler in terms of mainstream success. Cena is a great draw, hes the best full-time draw, but he just cannot compare to the drawing power of these two. Theres a reason why Royal Rumble 2013, headliend by Rock vs Punk, was the largest drawing RR in 6 years.

Cena may be a bigger draw than HHH, but not Undertaker.

Rock shows up once every blue moon, so of course ratings would go up the one rare time he just so happened to make an appearance. It would be the same way if Stone Cold or Hogan were to show up randomly on a RAW or PPV. Cena is there 24/7 constantly making the WWE money. Add up the monetary value of one Rock appearance in a year compared to an entire year full of Cena, and Cena is undoubted the bigger draw. Trying to suggest otherwise is just monumental stupidity and ignorance.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Rock shows up once every blue moon, so of course ratings would go up the one rare time he just so happened to make an appearance. It would be the same way if Stone Cold or Hogan were to show up randomly on a RAW or PPV. Cena is there 24/7 constantly making the WWE money. Add up the monetary value of one Rock appearance in a year compared to an entire year full of Cena, and Cena is undoubted the bigger draw. Trying to suggest otherwise is just monumental stupidity and ignorance.

The draw today is the overall product, not just one wrestler.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Useless threads are the cause of global warming. The average temperature of the earth went up half a degree just from BSE's part-time question thread.

Add that to the fact that obviously blind hate threads are generally trashed because they're just, well...trash.

I thought this kind of circular logic, "I'm right no matter how stupid I sound", and general idiocy was pretty much confined to the prison.

Luckily at least one of these idiots seems like he's probably going to end up there one day.

The draw today is the overall product, not just one wrestler.

I'd say "tell that to the merchandise sales department", but you'd probably use that stupid availability argument that proves how little you know about supply and demand, so... :shrugs:

 

[Crocker]

The draw today is the overall product, not just one wrestler.

Lol thats exactly what THEY said when Cena was not on Raw and ratings were stable.. that ratings are not dependant on just Cena; they are dependant on the product as whole. Now they're contradicting themselves by saying Cena is the sole reason the WWE makes so much money.

#WWEapologistLogic

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Lol thats exactly what THEY said when Cena was not on Raw and ratings were stable.. that ratings are not dependant on just Cena; they are dependant on the product as whole. Now they're contradicting themselves by saying Cena is the sole reason the WWE makes so much money.

#WWEapologistLogic

Yea, but what do you expect? These guys will defend Cena no matter what.

 

[Crocker]

Rock shows up once every blue moon, so of course ratings would go up the one rare time he just so happened to make an appearance. It would be the same way if Stone Cold or Hogan were to show up randomly on a RAW or PPV. Cena is there 24/7 constantly making the WWE money. Add up the monetary value of one Rock appearance in a year compared to an entire year full of Cena, and Cena is undoubted the bigger draw. Trying to suggest otherwise is just monumental stupidity and ignorance.

Thats what I am trying to tell you.. Cena is the biggest FULL TIME draw, and Rock is the bigger draw OVERALL.. compare one Cena appearence to one Rock appearence, who do you think makes more money? There is a huge difference between being the biggest full time draw, and being the biggest draw overall

If Rock or Lesnar showed up on a full time basis they would make A LOT more money than Cena

 

[Bernkastel]

Thats what I am trying to tell you.. Cena is the biggest FULL TIME draw, and Rock is the bigger draw OVERALL.. compare one Cena appearence to one Rock appearence, who do you think makes more money? There is a huge difference between being the biggest full time draw, and being the biggest draw overall

If Rock or Lesnar showed up on a full time basis they would make A LOT more money than Cena

Do you even see why Rock, in a one off appearance, would garner more interest than Cena, who the fans see all the time? You can't say Rock is a bigger overall draw because of those kinds of circumstances.

Now they're contradicting themselves by saying Cena is the sole reason the WWE makes so much money.

I don't think any one has said this.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Do you even see why Rock, in a one off appearance, would garner more interest than Cena, who the fans see all the time? You can't say Rock is a bigger overall draw because of those kinds of circumstances.

Check out Raw's rating from 1999-2001. They're a lot higher than what the product gets today. The Rock was a big part why the ratings were so high.

 

[Bernkastel]

Check out Raw's rating from 1999-2001. They're a lot higher than what the product gets today. The Rock was a big part why the ratings were so high.

The're also many more things on television now than there were 15 years ago. Based on your logic Rock and Austin were trash compared to Hogan, who was bringing in much, much higher ratings.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

The're also many more things on television now than there were 15 years ago. Based on your logic Rock and Austin were trash compared to Hogan, who was bringing in much, much higher ratings.

So? The point is that The Rock as a full-time competitor draws more than John Cena as a full-time competitor.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

So? The point is that The Rock as a full-time competitor draws more than John Cena as a full-time competitor.

Why did WM 29 do a worse buyrate than WM 28?

 

[Crocker]

Why did WM 29 do a worse buyrate than WM 28?

Because wrestlemania 28 was Rock vs Cena - once in a lifetime..

Wrestlemania 29 was rock vs cena REMATCH. Of course it would not have drawn as much as the 1st time

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Because wrestlemania 28 was Rock vs Cena - once in a lifetime..

Wrestlemania 29 was rock vs cena REMATCH. Of course it would not have drawn as much as the 1st time

Exactly. It was also EXTREMELY obvious Cena would win.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Because wrestlemania 28 was Rock vs Cena - once in a lifetime..

Wrestlemania 29 was rock vs cena REMATCH. Of course it would not have drawn as much as the 1st time

Or maybe full-time Rock isn't as strong as you thought along with Lesnar, HHH, and, UT (Streak intact).

Exactly. It was also EXTREMELY obvious Cena would win.

It was extremely obvious Cena would win at WM 28 too but more people still paid for the card.