OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!
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Uncle Chester
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Lulz. Maybe we could've stopped him by putting him in prison? Then we can gloat.
You know that was used as an example of what you shouldn't do by both Gandhi and Jesus, right?
Seriously though, I can see where Sly is coming from and I think much of your reaction to this depends on how you felt about the events of September 11. If you felt loss and grief about that day, then it's unsurprising that you feel delighted today.
For me, I saw 9/11 as an outsider witnessing a terrible atrocity, but I didn't feel a sense of loss in the same way I may have if I were American. Ten years later, I certainly feel that Bin Laden probably got what he deserved, but I'm not particularly celebratory about it. I feel pretty much the same that I did when Timothy McVeigh was executed - justice has probably been served, and I'm glad it has, but I don't feel anything particularly strong on a personal level. If I come across as trying to be holier than thou, I apologise, that's not my intention at all, and like I said at first, those that are denying the significance of this are just wrong.
Uncle Chester
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Why should I shut the fuck up? By presenting an opinion that goes against someone as biased as most people here are?
I'd like to think that my joy comes mostly from logic and reason, being happy that the spiritual leader and founder of Al Qaeda is dead and never coming back. I'd like to think that. I'd be lying though if I didn't get some joy in the fact that his body was tossed into the sea, and it will likely float there until it is devoured by fish and sea birds. Say what you will about incinerating him or however you wanted to see him die, I think that's quite a shitty afterlife for Bin Laden.
I brought this up before, but I'll bring it up again, the day the Twin Towers went down I saw video footage on the news of little children celebrating in the streets of Baghdad, waving Iraq flags as if they achieved some sort of victory for killing thousands of innocent Americans. I didn't understand it, what did we ever do to them to make them hate me and my fellow Americans so much? We didn't do anything, but a hateful man named Osama Bin Laden convinced them that Americans wanted to wipe out their religion and kill them. The man who inspired all that hatred and fear is dead. I'm hoping we won't be seeing anymore children celebrating the death of innocents.
I brought this up before, but I'll bring it up again, the day the Twin Towers went down I saw video footage on the news of little children celebrating in the streets of Baghdad, waving Iraq flags as if they achieved some sort of victory for killing thousands of innocent Americans. I didn't understand it, what did we ever do to them to make them hate me and my fellow Americans so much? We didn't do anything, but a hateful man named Osama Bin Laden convinced them that Americans wanted to wipe out their religion and kill them. The man who inspired all that hatred and fear is dead. I'm hoping we won't be seeing anymore children celebrating the death of innocents.
Well...you did. You said anyone wishing certain things was "wrong", which is a term of morality. If I said it was "right", it would also be a statement of morality, as there is no universal law of right and wrong.
So when you make the statement you did, you're saying that we're morally in the wrong for being happy about what happened. Had you said "I disagree with people being happy about X, Y, and Z", then there wouldn't have been a problem. But you didn't...you made a statement regarding morality.
Death is death, but the reason for the death very much matters.
Sure we did. Even if it was a symbolic act, what happened last night was very much about innocents standing up for the wrongs which have been committed over the years.
It very much was about us defending ourselves.
Think about what you just said.
You're trying to make the US Military forces out to be the bad guy, because Bin Laden and his aides threw a woman and a child into gunfire as a human shield, while almost certainly firing their weapons from behind that same woman and child.
Will, you're being a moron. I've told you before I support you on a lot of things, but I'll always let you know when you're wrong. You're wrong on this one. And this isn't a case of morality, this is a case of fact.
What rule did we break? We said we would get Bin Laden, no matter what, and we did. What rule did we break?
Except Bin Laden has numerous times said he would never be taken alive. So your scenario would never come to pass.
Well, sure, it would have. It's not like the terrorists hit New York and the Pentagon, and said, "well, we've done everything we wanted to do". It's not like they've quit trying to hurt people around the world. If something else happens, then we'll go after the person who is responsible for it.
You're not making sense. If we put a man in jail because he raped and murdered three women, do we not feel good about it because another person ends up murdered?
The difference is they've been attacking us, for many decades. Not just us, but many many people around the world.
Untrue. Had Bin Laden walked into a Florida police station on September 12th, 2001, and had said "I did it, please arrest me", I seriously doubt the celebration would be this strong. Would people have wanted him dead? Absolutely, but I assure you it wouldn't be a celebration.
Bin Laden showed no remorse for what he did, he promised to continue doing it, and he promised to attack innocent people for no better reason than because where they were born. People wanted him dead because of THAT.
What?
Good point, Will, the next time someone kills your family and friends, be the bigger person and forgive him. Don't think about your wife and child lying in a bloody heap, don't think about your friends dying in excruciating agony, I just want you to be the bigger person.
C'mon Will, you're being silly. We're not talking about 2 people, we're talking about the orchestration of the deaths of 3000 innocent people, just on one day, not to mention all the other deaths he's been responsible for over the years.
A phrase Osama Bin Laden personally found out the hard way. So why don't you go have a seat in the corner feeling self-righteous, and the rest of us uncivilized animals will celebrate the end to a very evil man.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
I was talking Karma-wise. I'm all for finding peaceful solutions to everything but in extreme cases like Bin Laden. Karma would've eventually caught up to him and THANK GOD IT DID.
Still think he got off way to lightly. Glad he has been "captured" but death was way too good for the bastard. Obviously the reports are saying that it had to go down that way as he wouldn't allow to be caught alive and America still got their retribution but he really deserved to rot.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Sorry man. Look, I'm not intentionally trying to shit, or rain, on anyone's happiness. I'm also not trying to be "Holier Than Thou". Anyone who feels or thinks that, I do apologize - but my opinions will not change. I stand by them, and anyone who doesn't like that.. doesn't have to, but they won't change.
And I shouldn't be forced to "stop" when people are continuing toward my views and opinions.
I side with that of what guys like Ricky and LJL have said. I get the rejoicing over getting closure. And I accept the happiness in feeling more "complete" in this 10-year war.. but I'm not going to be overjoyed, or thrilled that it had to come with more blood shed - even at the hands of someone who rightfully could be viewed as deserving it more than anyone in the history of life.
He had his body dumped in the sea, where he will float as a rotting carcas until his entrails are snacked on by birds and fish that don't know or care who he was. I'm quite okay with that.
All right, whatever you say man. Why don't you go have a seat in the corner with Will, and together you two can slap each other on the back for being more civilized than the rest of us animals.
Yes, because D-Man's opening post WAS quite difficult to understand, with regards to the intention for this thread...
Here, let's look at it one more time, and see if we can work together just exactly how D-Man was feeling and what he wanted from this thread.
You're right, the opening post IS a little ambiguous...
Do you not read anything? I've already stated multiple times in multiple threads Bin Laden had claimed he would never allow himself to be taken alive.
Don't be a moron.
Exactly. And, in fairness, I'm not trying to tell people how they should feel. But if you don't feel the same as we feel, then have a little respect and share those feelings at another time. For millions of people around the world, this is a time of celebration, a chance for us to feel good about something we've accomplished.
Uncle Chester
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So.... how do we know it was him?
Ok fine. Then allow me to shoot your wife in the head with a pistol right in front of you. Then you hold back your feelings and try not to kill me, thinking that was the only true justice I deserved.
Fair enough. I can respect that, most certainly. But all we're asking is that you save those opinions for another time and/or place, as right now, millions of people are trying to have a good time celebrating this event. As Kenny Rogers once sang, "you've got to know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em". Right now, all we're asking is that you fold this hand, and let us have a good time.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
If what I said makes me more civilized in your almighty eyes, Slyfox, then I'm just fine with that because it's what I believe and nobody can make me believe otherwise.
Nothing like pulling the ignorant card on this one. Nice job.
Yeah... I'm gonna go ahead and say it's a pretty safe bet that the troops took some sort of proof. Pictures, DNA, something to confirm it was really him. There's also footage of the kill site.
I'm not that "clued in" I could be mistaken I never pay attention, but wasn't his beliefs that he would get a certain amount of virgins in the afterlife for what he did? If I thought that's what would happen when I die, I'd be happy to die where I didn't kill myself.
Death or Torture/imprisoned for the rest of your life.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
No clue. I wonder what sea they dropped him in.
You only get the (give or take) 73 virgins if you commit suicide and die a martyr. He did not do such a thing.
Uncle Chester
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I was just saying, killing him wasn't the only way we could've stopped him. He might have forced his death by retaliating. Stormtrooper said the only way you can stop him was by killing him, which is wrong.
There's only two ways to take a person, Chester....alive or dead. He already claimed multiple times he wouldn't be taken alive, so by my mathematics, that just leaves one option. Dead.
There were exactly two ways of stopping him, us killing him, or him killing himself. I'm glad we did it on our terms, and not his.
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