OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!

[TheOneBigWill]

It's funny, because in my last post I said I'd stay out of the conversation as long as I wasn't brought back into it.. and then logged off.

I thought to myself, Brian's a wise enough guy to just understand we're at a difference of opinion and leave it at that. He replied, and I gave him my answers to his reply and that should be enough to be done with it all.

Guess I was wrong?

It's also funny that in PM's you come to a common middle in agreement that you understand where I'm coming from, yet in an open forum viewed by everyone - you talk down to me.

Trust me when I tell you, Brian; I never came in here believing I was better than anyone, or holier than anything. But I can tell you, regardless how many random people say otherwise - you aren't anything above me, either.

You, sir, are not a patriot. This is not a one-on-one trial.

1. I can be a "Patriot" and not have to agree with every single thing you, or the majority of people in a single thread on a Wrestling+ Forum are thinking. I could easily say you are an "idiot" for thinking otherwise, and be just as right.

2. I never said this was a one-on-one trial. It is a war crime. It's a crime against an entire Nation. More than one, technically. I just failed to miss the part in there where it said "It's okay to kill out of vengeance in this regard."

You are a fucking moron in every way, shape, and form. This is such utter bullshit.

The difference between Bin Laden and you is that protecting your family makes you an INNOCENT MAN to begin with. Bin Laden is guilty as the sday is long and he was a MURDERER. Unless there's some other shit that you want to confess to us that you do in your private life, I'd say the situation with you would be a tad bit different.

Yes, and the differences you point out are so fucking wrong. It's amazing how you believe your own bullshit. Your poor wife... how does she cope?

Now, this is what baffles me the most. I mean, when you pull away all the senseless name calling and random grade-school words thrown around.. you've turned what you originally said to me, completely around to format yourself.

You originally asked (more or less) would it be the same, if you killed my Wife and child(ren) in cold blood. Would I just stand there and be okay in knowing you'll get justice, and not try to take vengeance.

And my reply was that it was a difference in situation, as you would then be attacking me, personally and specifically. Not randomly, not as an entire group - just my family, alone. Bin Laden attacked a Nation - (more than one, technically) he didn't attack just one family, he attacked hundreds, thousands. And as a result, hundreds/thousands seeked revenge, and his death - that still doesn't make it right, in either situation.

Now, in second to that - me killing you would not bring my Family back any more than killing Bin Laden would bring back anyone lost in 9/11 (or any other time). Furthermore, I'd then be faced with going to jail for murder - of a murderer - because killing doesn't "solve" the problem, it only creates new ones. (that is the one connecting feature of the entire thing)

Here's the funny part; you then post that I'm random names and things, and this and that - but smoothly reverse the situation as if I'm "protecting" Bin Laden from death, even though he killed a ton of people. You'd really have to be some piece of mental work to think that is even close to what I've been doing, or was doing. There isn't even a name, dirty or otherwise, that'd fit for what you'd be for thinking anything remotely close to that, Brian.

Protecting my Family WOULD make me an innocent man, if I killed you out of self-defense. But had you of killed my Family, without me being there or being able to stop you.. and had I of looked for you over a period of time, it would've turned me into a murderer just the same.

So, I'm going to run down the bullet points for you so you know fully where I sit.

• Bin Laden is evil and deserved to pay for his crimes.

• While killing him is what "had" to be done through most people's eyes, it won't bring back what we've lost; or who we've lost.

• I'm happy IF our Country can take this as a plus, and be done with the entire situation; but we'll never be done with it, this is just another stone along the path.

• Killing is wrong, regardless of how much it is wanted, or needed, to be done.

Now, if we can be done - I'd be okay with that. I've stated my opinion, you've stated yours. I'm accepting of American's rejoicing over this moment - I don't wish to take anything away from that, beyond stating that I believe (personally) that killing, regardless, is wrong and it's unfortunate it had to come to all of this.

 

[Lee]

Oh Crashin misquoting his torah.

 

[D-Man]

It's funny, because in my last post I said I'd stay out of the conversation as long as I wasn't brought back into it.. and then logged off.

I thought to myself, Brian's a wise enough guy to just understand we're at a difference of opinion and leave it at that. He replied, and I gave him my answers to his reply and that should be enough to be done with it all.

Guess I was wrong?

It's also funny that in PM's you come to a common middle in agreement that you understand where I'm coming from, yet in an open forum viewed by everyone - you talk down to me.

Our PM conversation came before the post I replied to in this thread. The difference is that I lost a lot of more respect from you when I read your post in this thread. I don't play anything up... I speak from my heart.

PS - Don't belittle me by calling me by my real name. I take that as an insult. Do you want to be viewed as better than me or make this conversation more "personal" because you use my real name? Seriously, man... don't treat me like a child.

• Bin Laden is evil and deserved to pay for his crimes.

• While killing him is what "had" to be done through most people's eyes, it won't bring back what we've lost; or who we've lost.

• I'm happy IF our Country can take this as a plus, and be done with the entire situation; but we'll never be done with it, this is just another stone along the path.

• Killing is wrong, regardless of how much it is wanted, or needed, to be done.

Now, if we can be done - I'd be okay with that. I've stated my opinion, you've stated yours. I'm accepting of American's rejoicing over this moment - I don't wish to take anything away from that, beyond stating that I believe (personally) that killing, regardless, is wrong and it's unfortunate it had to come to all of this.

This is what needed to be read by our posters before you started on this opinionated way of thinking. But instead, you started your whole rant by completely discounting and ignoring the positive repercussions of Bin Laden's death and proceeded to wave your magic wand of Will-ranting over us and make a completely unnecessary point at a time when, like it or not, our country is in triumph.

It's just ridiculous how much attention you need to keep your ego afloat.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Oh Crashin misquoting his torah.

"do to him as he had conspired to do to his brother"

Is that better?

 

[nightmare]

Big win for us. A threat to our children & families has been erased from this planet & rightfully so.

The man promoted death & mistrust for our country to the point children were being used to fight his war. Think about that. People being lead to hate because they didnt know better. He has been behind more than just the 9/11 attacks- that was just the point it hit home the most with us in the states. He was more than just a radical terrorist leader to his people, he was thought of as a religious symbol. Taking that away is a great blow to their organization.

This dosent end the whole thing, but is a damn far jump in the right direction. Obama & our military did what Bush failed to do. Iraq\Hussein was never part of 9/11 yet Bush used them as a primary focus. Hussein needed to be dealt with but he wasnt the one we were really after. Today that man is floating dead in the sea, never to hurt anyone again.


I dont celebrate the fact a man is dead. I celebrate the fact that we have eliminated a big name in the terrorist game. I celebrate a win for America. I celebrate today for all those that have lost their lives because of Bin Laden & his reign. I celebrate for friends i have lost serving our country in the middle east. I celebrate for them because they cannot.


Thank you to all the US forces involved in last nights attack. Your sacrifice & service is appreciated.

 

[Coco]

This is because you've never been directly effected by a terrorist attack. Lose a family member, or have a friend come home from war with a missing leg, and tell me how you feel then. 'Til then, take your opinions, and shove them up your ass.

I don't give a fuck who you lost or how many of your friends got injured overseas. Those are the risks of fighting over there. What I'm saying is that worrying about terrorist attacks on American soil is a futile endeavor. There are so many other things you need to worry about. Like how people's insane driving puts you in legitimate danger every single day. How you're going to put food on the table and keep a roof over you're head. How you're going to protect your loved ones in an increasingly crime-riddled society. Terrorism isn't something the average person has to worry about because the chances of being affected by it are so slim. Am I happy and grateful that there are people who are there to protect us from it? Of course. But to give it any more thought beyond that and be afraid of it is nonsense. That's what I'm getting across. Bin Laden's dead. Hooray. Doesn't make the daily grind any better and it doesn't make anyone's sacrifice or the time and resources flushed down the toilet essentially occupying two countries worth it.

Bottom line: I understand everyone's emotional reaction to this, but it's not going to distract me from all the really fucked up shit that directly affects people on a daily basis. Enjoy your fix. I guess it's preferable to whatever bleak, sobering reality you'd otherwise be dealing with. But I'm not going to feel bad about slapping people with the truth and reminding them how shitty their lives are.

 

[Dave]

You kids argue over the silliest of things.

 

[Coco]

I'm stealing your sig.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

 

[Lee]

You kids argue over the silliest of things.

NO WE DON'T

 

[Dave]

 

[Gelgarin]

NO WE DON'T

Heh. God bless the classics.

 

[NSL]

I don't give a fuck who you lost or how many of your friends got injured overseas.

Wow. I hope that one day, while you're living in your deluded fucking world, that a bomb lands on your face, and chunks of your body are shot a thousand feet in the sky. You're a piece of shit, and I really can't believe we breathe the same fucking air. Do us a favor, and go buy some razors...I'm done with this.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

don't treat me like a child.

Then don't act like one.

I stated my opinions, regardless of your approval - you stated your's, regardless of my approval. That is all that truly needs understood. Name calling and immature behavior is uncalled for and quite frankly beneath you.

Get to the point, or quit wasting our time. Plain and simple.

This is what needed to be read by our posters before you started on this opinionated way of thinking.

I'm sure you've missed my original post, what with the massive amount of threads this has spawned over.. but I stated everything clearly in the General Spam section thread, in my original post.

But instead, you started your whole rant by completely discounting and ignoring the positive repercussions of Bin Laden's death and proceeded to wave your magic wand of Will-ranting over us and make a completely unnecessary point at a time when, like it or not, our country is in triumph.

Magic wand?

Will-ranting?

You ask not to be treated like a child, then you continue to act childish with words.

Others might see more into whatever you said, but that's all I took from that quote. The rest was lost on me, because I can't find a way to respect whatever it was you said in there to overcome the ignorance in childish words.

 

[D-Man]

Then don't act like one.

Says the child. Should we keep going back and forth?

I stated my opinions, regardless of your approval - you stated your's, regardless of my approval. That is all that truly needs understood. Name calling and immature behavior is uncalled for and quite frankly beneath you.

Name calling is par for the course when you piss me off. You don't like it? Tough shit.

Get to the point, or quit wasting our time. Plain and simple.

I think I did a pretty damn good job of that. Hence, this conversation.

Magic wand?

Will-ranting?

You ask not to be treated like a child, then you continue to act childish with words.

Do you confuse the fine line between what you call "childish" and what I call "descriptive"? I didn't call you a poo-poo-head. So stop, once again, acting like you are above me. No one believes it, just like all of the bullshit you're spawned this morning.

Others might see more into whatever you said, but that's all I took from that quote. The rest was lost on me, because I can't find a way to respect whatever it was you said in there to overcome the ignorance in childish words.

In other words, you have no comeback but you blame it on a lack of respect? Whatever blows your hair back, I guess.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm just not feeling that unity you told me all of us would have from this moment.

Hold me?

 

[Coco]

Wow. I hope that one day, while you're living in your deluded fucking world, that a bomb lands on your face, and chunks of your body are shot a thousand feet in the sky.

If that does happen, at least I won't have spent what little time I had on this Earth thinking it's my patriotic duty to be weary of whatever boogeyman has done this to me. I'll have spent it dealing with real problems. Like keeping my head above water financially or protecting my loved ones in a decaying urban environment. I'm sorry if letting those things rent more space in my head than some asshole in a Pakistani cave mansion pisses on your parade, but clearly someone needs to be a realist for you people.

Of course judging by your overemotional response to my last post, you're not going to be one for cold, mature reality.

 

[justinsayne]

Ok, anyone suggesting we should've captured him alive and put him in prision, please explain how it would have been a good idea to throw him in a cell, spending hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars to keep a man whom the majority of the world wants dead alive, which would surely start riots all over the country (after all LA was set ablaze after a few stupid racists cops decided to beat a black man back in the early 90's), so that we can give him a trial where he would inevitably be found guilty, and sentenced to death?

Seems to me like the solider who put a bullet into this fucks head just saved the world and his country form potential mass rioting, and wasting shit load of your tax money that we really can't afford to waste

 

[justinsayne]

I'm just not feeling that unity you told me all of us would have from this moment.

Hold me?

That's cause you're kinda being an assclown right now, no offense

 

[D-Man]

I'm just not feeling that unity you told me all of us would have from this moment.

Hold me?

(Substitute "the rest of the United States of America" for "Circle of Trust".)

 

[TheOneBigWill]

That's cause you're kinda being an assclown right now, no offense

None taken. I had a point that I made multiple times. At this point, I'm just fucking back and forth with D-Man. (or, Brian, as he likes me to call him )

I respect other's opinions and never said otherwise. I get the celebration, I just don't agree with it. That's all. Nothing to celebrate, to me, in death of any kind.

 

[CH David]

This is fucking stupid. Bin Laden is dead. I'm going to enjoy the fact that it's one less evil on the Earth. People that want to complain about him being killed and not taken into custody, Osama wasn't going to come alive, he shot at soldiers as well. If the operation was kill only, then complain to the President. I'll throw my support behind our leader, because it means one less evil is out there.

 

[D-Man]

None taken. I had a point that I made multiple times. At this point, I'm just fucking back and forth with D-Man. (or, Brian, as he likes me to call him )

And you call ME a child? Wow, man.

 

[justinsayne]

None taken. I had a point that I made multiple times. At this point, I'm just fucking back and forth with D-Man. (or, Brian, as he likes me to call him )

I respect other's opinions and never said otherwise. I get the celebration, I just don't agree with it. That's all. Nothing to celebrate, to me, in death of any kind.

That's fine, but no need to come into a thread where everyone is happy and celebrating just to poop on the parade, it's kinda a dick move man, not gonna lie

 

[NSL]

If that does happen, at least I won't have spent what little time I had on this Earth thinking it's my patriotic duty to be weary of whatever boogeyman has done this to me. I'll have spent it dealing with real problems. Like keeping my head above water financially or protecting my loved ones in a decaying urban environment. I'm sorry if letting those things rent more space in my head than some asshole in a Pakistani cave mansion pisses on your parade, but clearly someone needs to be a realist for you people.

Of course judging by your overemotional response to my last post, you're not going to be one for cold, mature reality.

I have a son, and a job, and all the real problems you're talking about. No one was expecting 9/11 to happen, and when it did, it shattered a lot of our lives. You fear the unexpected. I can control (to a point), my money, and my job, and my life. I, however, cannot control when some whackjob terrorist decides he wants to drive a taxi full of explosives into a building I may be sitting in. It's not a crippling fear, but it's a far from irrational fear. Especially living so close to NYC, and being there so often.