If they'd have tried to capture him, at least one of the people sent in to get him would have died. The risks involved are much greater for what would ultimately be the same outcome. Not to mention the financial costs involved in holding him, trying him and ultimately executing him.
OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!
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I know, that's why I explained it. It wasn't meant to be smarky if that's how it came off, I was genuinely trying to be helpful haha.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
I'm going to reply to this, and then out of respect for Sly and everyone else simply stop - assuming I won't be targeted again.
D-Man, there is a fine line of difference between killing my Wife & Child(ren) solely; and targeting a bunch of random faces, being unconcerned with who they are. Of course an individual related to the victim(s) would want justice, and even vengeance. It's the human condition inside us all.. to unleash our rage, our violence and hate upon something so horrific.
I'm not saying turn out backs and just let by-gones be by-gones to the Towers going down. I'm simply saying - putting a bullet in a guy's head, who was "at the top" of a group who committed this act of destruction and violence, won't bring anyone back. And in the end, it isn't even stopping everyone who was in that group.
Furthermore; if "I" were to in turn seek out killing you in cold blood/murder, simply for vengeance over you killing my Family - would a court let me walk free? Absolutely not. But, I did it out of vengeance and to gain closure for what you've done.. would they then let me walk free? NO.
Where's the difference now? Self defense that our Military killed him rather than be killed themselves? I coud say the same - I killed you because you killed my Family, and that meant you could kill (anyone, regardless) again. It wouldn't make me any less of a murderer myself - nor would it allow me to walk free from killing you out of vengeance.
So, as you can see.. there is quite a bit of difference between the two situations.
D-Man, there is a fine line of difference between killing my Wife & Child(ren) solely; and targeting a bunch of random faces, being unconcerned with who they are. Of course an individual related to the victim(s) would want justice, and even vengeance. It's the human condition inside us all.. to unleash our rage, our violence and hate upon something so horrific.
I'm not saying turn out backs and just let by-gones be by-gones to the Towers going down. I'm simply saying - putting a bullet in a guy's head, who was "at the top" of a group who committed this act of destruction and violence, won't bring anyone back. And in the end, it isn't even stopping everyone who was in that group.
Furthermore; if "I" were to in turn seek out killing you in cold blood/murder, simply for vengeance over you killing my Family - would a court let me walk free? Absolutely not. But, I did it out of vengeance and to gain closure for what you've done.. would they then let me walk free? NO.
Where's the difference now? Self defense that our Military killed him rather than be killed themselves? I coud say the same - I killed you because you killed my Family, and that meant you could kill (anyone, regardless) again. It wouldn't make me any less of a murderer myself - nor would it allow me to walk free from killing you out of vengeance.
So, as you can see.. there is quite a bit of difference between the two situations.
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
I agree with you expect for the financial costs part. I'm sure simply holding him and trialing would cost a fraction of what it took to actually find him and I'm sure Americans are willing to pay to send Laden through humiliation as well as his followers.
Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
no, it's right, because it was the only way he would stop, and the only way he'd be captured (which he NEEDED to be captured, as he was an evil mastermind behind terrorist acts). He was going to refuse to be taken alive. If he was taken alive, then he would be able to continue the shit he was pulling from behind bars, since the US would be forced to put him in a prison that gives him just enough rights as warranted by the Geneva Convention (because they're too stupid to say fuck that shit and treat him like dirt, the way he treated us). Sly (a wiser man then me) proved that he wouldn't be taken alive. I agreed and further stated how prison wouldn't be sufficient in ceasing his attacks (both verbally and physically).
Don't go dragging my name in the mud because I'm speaking the truth, which is obviously too much for you to comprehend with your ****** brain.
God, I come back online to check the weather, get a PM, and get dragged right back into this shit.
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
He's still a martyr anyway he dies.
I think you have to commit suicide to be a martyr. I have no doubts that the leaders of the extremist movement that Bin Laden was a part of will try to spin his death as some sort of holy moment where Bin Laden sacrificed himself to a higher power or some shit, but unless the members of Al Qaeda have a 1984-esque style of believing everything they're told to be gospel, I'm sure there will be many doubts about what really went down.
Yeah, because holding the worlds most wanted man and protecting him through a trial is sure to be cheap...
I think anyone who dies for refusing to give up their belief is a martyr.
Good idea.
But I'm unconcerned that it's your wife. I just wanna shoot an American because I hate America. /sarcasm
Your semantical way of thinking won't get you away from this one. And if your wife was shot in the head, you wouldn't give two fucks about motive.
He was not only "at the top"... he was the main culprit in the planning and taking of action against innocent Americans.
You, sir, are not a patriot. This is not a one-on-one trial. Bin Laden struck a blow at millions by taking the lives of thousands. He's like Charlie Manson on steroids. No need for trial here.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
More closer than JGlasses definitition. It's someone who dies for their beliefs.
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and the Patriot Act. You honestly think the US would give Bin Laden a fair trail when they've put mere potentials years behind bars (without a trial) in maximum security for little to no evidence?
All Slyfox did was present a hypothetical situation in which the most likeliest of things would happen. Not what would happen itself. But I can also present hypotheticals in which events could take place that lead to Ladens capture.
Uncle Chester
I see you, and your penis.
On a military compound?
It's not going to be cheap but a fraction of the cost it took to actually find him.
Chardee Macdennis
Getting Noticed By Management
I have no desire to include myself in the arguing going on here. I would however, simply like to state that fact that I too am in a celebratory mood right now. More than anything I'd like to take the oppurtunity to genuinly thank all of the brave men and women (U.S. and otherwise) for constantly putting our lives and freedoms ahead of their own. On this day, we should be celebrating, not the death of one man, but the lives of so many others that stand against the principles of that one man. So please, end the bickering and take the time to appreciate that there are some very good people willing to allow us the freedom to post our thoughts on a rather trivial website. GOD BLESS.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Who cares about hypothetical situations when one of the world's most wanted men has finally been taken down? The only thing we need to care about is how we're going to clean up the mess that lay behind Osama... just because an extremely powerful leader of a terrorist group has been removed doesn't mean the entire struggle has ended.
I just pray that we can clear shit up before it hits the fan.
I just pray that we can clear shit up before it hits the fan.
It cost $180 million to try and hold Slobadan Milosevic and it would have been more if he hadn't have died in custody.
I didn't delete anything. It's still there.
No, I presented two different articles which explained what WOULD happen. Bin Laden would not be taken alive. Either he would be killed in combat, or he'd have an aide kill him. Either way, Bin Laden wasn't going to be captured.
You obviously didn't read my sources.
You know I will use that against you in the future, right?
In practical terms a martyr is whoever the people looking for a martyr say it is.
There may be an actual accepted definition, but there are probably quite a number of interpretations of said definition. I'm no expert on Islam, but I don't think an Islamic martyr actually has to die for his beliefs, simply dying whilst carrying out such beliefs is enough.
It's perfectly possible that I am wrong however.
There may be an actual accepted definition, but there are probably quite a number of interpretations of said definition. I'm no expert on Islam, but I don't think an Islamic martyr actually has to die for his beliefs, simply dying whilst carrying out such beliefs is enough.
It's perfectly possible that I am wrong however.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
I love this quote though:
"As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims."
"As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims."
This is my son. He's going to be 8 soon, and all he's ever known is war, death, grief...It's sad.
This is because you've never been directly effected by a terrorist attack. Lose a family member, or have a friend come home from war with a missing leg, and tell me how you feel then. 'Til then, take your opinions, and shove them up your ass.
I actually quoted that firefighter on Facebook, and said he's now a "hero" of mine.
Why didn't I think of that?
YES.
Smart post.
Oh yeah...Real smart. Keep him alive somewhere, so they keep fighting more and more. Read Tasty's post. This is demoralizing...He's dead, and there's nothing that can be changed about it.
It means a lot to me. Though it means even more coming from someone who's not partially ******ed. I think I'd feel your post a lot more coming from someone other than you.
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