OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

This is a great news for people all around the world and not just the ones living in the US. With this mindfucked religious zealot dead, we can all breathe a bit easy.

And how can someone be dumb enough to suggest that the twin towers falling down was a conspiracy of some kind. Thousands of people died!! Why would someone do that?

 

[Leeds Guy]

Congratulations. It's about time.I'd actually forgotten about him.

 

[Tastycles]

I'm not really comfortable celebrating anyone's death, but I can understand that reaction far more than this bizarre downbeat attitude that people have. I can't help but think that a lot of people are missing the point here. Outside of the obvious redemption feelings that Americans are feeling right now, which they are entitled to do so, I hasten to add, the symbolism of this is far more likely to affect the followers of Bin Laden. If a guy has been saying "America's shit, they can't do anything, we're winning" for 10 years and then he is killed by them, it undermines him massively. It took the Third Reich 8 days to collapse after Hitler died. I'm not saying Islamic Extremists will fall to pieces immediately right now, but they'll certainly feel less invincible.

 

[Uncle Chester]

This is just silly. This is celebration time. Not arguing time. THE MOST WANTED TERRORIST IS DEAD AND Y'ALL ARE ARGUING LIKE CHILDREN. Stop and thing for a minute. This is going to give our troops the moral they need to finish the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

How so? I'm sure it's going to make them satisfied but sufficient morale to end their mission in the two hell holes? Not really. And anyway, Al Qaeda have become more or less side objectives in both of the countries.

 

[Uncle Chester]

This is a great news for people all around the world and not just the ones living in the US. With this mindfucked religious zealot dead, we can all breathe a bit easy.

And how can someone be dumb enough to suggest that the twin towers falling down was a conspiracy of some kind. Thousands of people died!! Why would someone do that?

Really?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

How so? I'm sure it's going to make them satisfied but sufficient morale to end their mission in the two hell holes? Not really. And anyway, Al Qaeda have become more or less side objectives in both of the countries.

I just know. Don't ask me how because I'll get laughed at anyway.

 

[Slyfox696]

Bin Laden is dead. Good? Personally I'm with Ricky here in that jumping up and down celebrating a person getting shot makes me uncomfortable, but I can fully appreciate someone being happy that he's gone. Hell, given what he did people have every right to dance in the streets if they so desire... I won't be joining you, but I wouldn't dare to judge you either.

That being said, what people do not have the right to do is take a massive shit on anyone who questions the relevancy of this development. For one, it makes you an hypocritical asshole, and for two, these people are right.

Bin Laden hasn't been particularly relevant since 2001. He's hardly been relevant at all since 2006. At this point he was nothing more than a symbolic figurehead to an organisation who get collectively wet at the thought of martyrdom. Him being upright and breathing has very little strategic baring.

There are far more relevant terrorists out there. Lots of them. The US has been exploding them with UAV Predator Drones for quite some time. It doesn't change very much, although far more than this latest turn of events will. The people you are fighting are not one organization with one man at the top. You're fighting a vast collection of different groups who cooperate for idealogical purposes. You want to bring them all down then killing everybody is just about your only course of action.

There are of course differing opinions on what I've just said, but the one I've presented above is perfectly valid, so for fucks sake stop acting like assholes to anyone who happens to share it.

It's good to be happy.
It's also good to be informed.
It's seldom good to behave like a jingoistic twat.

The problem with your post, as I see it, is that the majority of the country is celebrating this news. It's not that we don't understand everything you just said, it's just that human beings (not just Americans) believe strongly in the concept of justice, the biblical "eye for an eye" mentality.

Furthermore, each time another terrorist dies, that's one less person practicing hate. Perhaps Bin Laden's death won't change how the organizations run, but surely you can't think that the death of Bin Laden, a hero to many of those who practice hate, will not affect people around the world, including all the terrorist groups.

While it may not make us any safer than we were two days ago, you're kidding yourself if you believe this has no impact. And for right now, to have people come into these celebratory threads and basically accuse people of being short-sighted and mindless drones for celebrating the death of a very evil man, only makes those "knowledgeable" people look like they're trying to make others feel bad for feeling good.

It's not hypocritical to tell people to take their seriousness elsewhere, it's a matter of wanting to take a time out from reality to celebrate something we've been waiting for over the last (almost) 10 years, in response to the tremendous grief we felt back in 2001. If those serious people can't respect that, then the least they can do is step back for a few hours before assaulting those celebrating with their insulting views on our intelligence.

Vengeance, blood lust, killing (regardless of who, or on what side, for any reason) is wrong.

Says who? You? Why does your morals trump ours?

There are always circumstances which dictate a response behavior, but in this case, Bin Laden gleefully admitted he was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Not only responsible, but INTENDED for their deaths, for no better reason than the country in which they live.

Bin Laden, by just about everyone in this thread's morals, was an evil man, who deserved the fate he received.

but to anyone going as far as to say they hope he rots, or burns, or died as horribly as possible.. don't you think that makes you no better than the terrorists we've been fighting?

The difference is ours was a response to his actions. Had he not done what he had done over the last few decades, people would not wish misery upon him. His actions are the reasons for our feelings.

To wish painful death upon someone is the same thing we've assumed they wished upon us. That makes us NO better than them.

Again, the difference being the situation. If they would be peaceful, we would as well. As long as their violent, we feel the need to be violent to protect our interests.

I can never take solace in another man's death

Even one directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of human beings? Even one who preaches the death of thousands of more human beings?

If even one less person decides to join up with a terrorist network, which results in two less innocent people dying, can you not celebrate that?



I feel as if you people who are pretending to take the high road to look down upon us who are celebrating are only doing so to make yourself feel superior to others, as if you've evolved past the instinctual response of vengeance. I also feel as if you all are just doing it for show, that when you first heard the news you were every bit as excited as we are. Perhaps it made you a little guilty inside to feel that way, but if you cannot be honest with yourself and who you are, then that is a "you" problem.

And you all need to strop shitting on Sully for believing that 911 was something more than we were led to believe. How many engineers have come out and questioned the authenticity of the government's claim that the towers toppled due to the plane hitting?

Far fewer than the ones who have proved it was legitimate?

 

[Uncle Chester]

The terrorists have collectively lost more of their iconic leaders than the worth of Bin Laden to their cause.

And Bin Laden hasn't been all that prominent since a couple of years ago.

 

[Stormtrooper]

you should not dismiss an idea or 'theory' despite how hard you might not want to be believe it.

Your mother and father are also your bother and sister. Sully's mother is also his grandmother, as his father was a mother fucker. That's gotta be the explanation for you 2 being so fucking stupid.

There, I created a idea or theory (actually 2). It MUST be true.

Did the government tell us everything about 9/11? Of course not, nor should they, as some information needs to be classified. Does that mean that the government actually blew the buildings up? No, not in the fucking least. The first hand accounts of planes actually flying into the buildings is more then enough proof that the buildings were not destroyed by the US Government.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If you feel that way Slyfox, then by all means do but I damn assure you that I'm not putting on a show of any kind.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Far fewer than the ones who have proved it was legitimate?

I'm assuming so. But my god that is still a staggering number.

 

[Slyfox696]

If you feel that way Slyfox, then by all means do but I damn assure you that I'm not putting on a show of any kind.

Yes, you are. Why else would you come into a celebratory thread to cast your scorn upon those who are celebrating? I mean, was what you said just so important and earth-shattering you just HAD to make everyone aware of it RIGHT NOW?

You very much are putting on a show.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm assuming so. But my god that is still a staggering number.

Not when you remove the people who forget the concepts of facts and logic.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Your mother and father are also your bother and sister. Sully's mother is also his grandmother, as his father was a mother fucker. That's gotta be the explanation for you 2 being so fucking stupid.

There, I created a idea or theory (actually 2). It MUST be true.

Did the government tell us everything about 9/11? Of course not, nor should they, as some information needs to be classified. Does that mean that the government actually blew the buildings up? No, not in the fucking least. The first hand accounts of planes actually flying into the buildings is more then enough proof that the buildings were not destroyed by the US Government.

Did I fucking say that it must true? Let me expand on what I was saying if you too fucking thick skulled to understand. Why should he dismiss an idea that many professionals believe and not even consider it?

The first hand accounts of planes actually flying into the buildings is more then enough proof that the buildings were not destroyed by the US Government.

And there ensues the stupidity.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Says who? You? Why does your morals trump ours?

Who said anyone has to trump anyone else, Sly? This isn't a stupid debate or argument over who's better or worse. This is a situation regarding what's right and wrong. Death is death, regardless the reason.

We didn't kill him in defending ourselves, last night. We stormed in with 10 years of vengeance built up and shoot to kill orders and shot him in the head, viciously. In doing so, from what CNN is reporting - a child and a Woman were used as "shields" because THEY believed Bin Laden was good, and we were evil.. and WE SHOT THEM.

Do you understand that? Bin Laden was a murderer by way of manipulating suicide bombers into doing his work for him. But the Woman, the child? Just shot because they stood in the way - not even tried to move, or be moved, because orders are orders and it was kill on site.

There are always circumstances which dictate a response behavior, but in this case, Bin Laden gleefully admitted he was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Not only responsible, but INTENDED for their deaths, for no better reason than the country in which they live.

And he deserved to pay for those crimes, and he is every bit of the worst, evil-est person this world, or any other will ever see or know. But justice needs to be upheld, and if we break our own rules - how far will it go in the future?

Bin Laden, by just about everyone in this thread's morals, was an evil man, who deserved the fate he received.

Evil man, yes. Murdered on site - no. He deserved to be put in prison, in a window-less room, far away from everyone and "rot" in that aspect. Paying everyday for the rest of his life.. not given a, more or less, quick and painless ending by less than a second via a bullet in the head.

I said it in another thread, and it stands to reason.. 10 years of pain and suffering have been had from those who lost anyone on 9/11. Less than a second did Bin Laden feel the pain and suffering in return. And people think he "got what he had coming", but all he got was everything he said just as much that he wanted. He didn't "pay" for anything, he was given a quick release without justice being served the way it normally would to any other mass murderer.

Most American's wanted blood lust, and they got it. And what now? What IF terrorists stage another attack.. what IF that attack is even worse than 9/11 (God forbid). Will it have been worth it all?

The difference is ours was a response to his actions. Had he not done what he had done over the last few decades, people would not wish misery upon him. His actions are the reasons for our feelings.

And I agree with the anger. I agree with the emotions. Anyone who thinks I'm not at least understanding or happy that we got some type of closure is being naive to my opinion not being entirely like their's.

But like I just said.. our killing of him was in response to what he did.. so now what? What if other terrorists attack us, in response to what WE just did? Will it then be their turn to be in the right? NO.. no one is in the right when it regards death, and that's the biggest thing most people aren't grasping right now.. because selfless murder is all they wanted for this one man.

But they wanted a murder without response, without reaction. And my fear is that it won't happen that way. How many more American lives will be lost, all because we couldn't just be the bigger person in this situation??

Again, the difference being the situation. If they would be peaceful, we would as well. As long as their violent, we feel the need to be violent to protect our interests.

And violence begets more violence. It'll be endless until one side isn't standing anymore. That's the entire point I've tried to make, well done and congrats.. you get it. But yet, you really don't. You're okay with the violence continuing because just like in minor debates with people, you always want the last word - or to be viewed as "right".

Bin Laden's people will never view us doing what we're doing, as "right"; just like there is likely NO American out there who'll view what Bin Laden did as "right". So the fighting continues. The War continues. And the blood shed continues. Until one side falls completely, and tons of lives will continue to be lost.

Is that what I should begin rejoicing? I'm happy for the closure to those who lost something/someone. I'm not happy about death being involved more and more. Make sure you understand the difference.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Not when you remove the people who forget the concepts of facts and logic.

Meme.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Yes, you are. Why else would you come into a celebratory thread to cast your scorn upon those who are celebrating? I mean, was what you said just so important and earth-shattering you just HAD to make everyone aware of it RIGHT NOW?

You very much are putting on a show.

How exactly did I cast my scorn upon those who are celebrating? Did I say that nobody should celebrate Bin Laden's death? I did the fuck not. I just said that I'm not as happy as everyone else. That doesn't mean that I'm not happy if you were able to comprehend that.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Does the phrase "Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" mean anything to you? Bin Laden sure as fuck deserved the retribution that came to him.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Does the phrase "Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" mean anything to you? Bin Laden sure as fuck deserved the retribution that came to him.

Throw out the entire western justice system. We want Sharia.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

You very much are putting on a show.

He, like you, were stating his opinion on the situation the thread was in topic of. I didn't recall seeing anything that said "only post in here if you're in completely and utter agreement with the death/murder of Bin Laden"

As I recall, this was the opening thread remark..

FINALLY!!!! THAT MOTHER FUCKING, COCK-SUCKING, MUSLIM, MURDERING, ASS HOLE IS DEAD!!!!!!!!

USA! USA! USA!!

 

[Uncle Chester]

Does the phrase "Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth" mean anything to you? Bin Laden sure as fuck deserved the retribution that came to him.

Throw out the entire western justice system. We want Sharia.

This doesn't mean I don't understand why people would haet him.

 

[Uncle Chester]

I fucked up, someone delete.

 

[Uncle Phatso]

Dude, shut the fuck up Chester. Go change your name, you're giving Uncles a bad name.

 

[Stormtrooper]

We didn't kill him in defending ourselves, last night.

Yes they did.

Sometimes, you need to defend yourself by attacking. He was spreading his hatred and his violence aimed at us, and the only way to stop that and ensure that he doesn't do it again is by killing him. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. This is one of those times.

Now if you excuse me, time for me to drive back to New York, where crowds of strangers are likely still gathering and hugging random strangers in celebration of this momentous occasion. But no, it's so fucking terrible...

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

*sigh* there's always that ONE or in this case TWO in the crowd who will ALWAYS ruin a mood.