[Official] John Cena Thread

[bwaller]

I've enjoyed the product all of my life! FYI: I majored in business at the University of KY. I know and understand the business aspect of it. I would love John Cena were WWE my employer, but because they aren't and I am just a fan of the product, I could care less how much he puts in Vince's pocket!

Let's see where he can improve. We'll start on areas that you argue he does best. Gimmick: His gimmick is lame and stale. I haven't figured out what he is supposed to be lately. Is he a thug or is a soldier? I don't know and I don't think you do either! Promos: Same exact thing over and over and over again. Here is your typical Cena promo, (*clears throat*) "The Champ is still here, you want some come get some, I don't make excuses and I don't back down from nobody!" Good enough? Wrestling: Punch here, shoulder block there, and occasional block buster! Now heres the part that he gets his ass whipped for about 20 consecutive minutes. Back body drop, 5 knuckle shuffle, and either F-U or STF-U. Match over Cena retains! Did I leave something out? Please tell me if I did!

ummmm...... mr. undertakers #1 fan....if we are going to talk about gimmicks that are stale and repetitive promos then please include your beloved undertaker. you know...the guy that gets beat down by the "bad guy" and then is left for "dead" only to return vowing to make his opponent "rest in peace"....you know that guy.....that little run down i just gave has happened roughly 5 times the last two years...i'm ready for your deffence whenever you are

to slam cena for having a stale gimmick and then throwing out the same promo all the time is pretty funny...if i had a quarter for everytime Taker rolled his eyes back into his head I would be a rich rich man.....

 

[Skillz]

As slyfox said that cena gets the biggest reaction from fans, there usually boos. So how does the leeding baby face in the company, who has a never back down never quit attitude get booed by usually half the crowd. Please tell me a reason why this is happening other than that people are sick of Cena. You always say that people are blinded by their hate for Cena while you are blinded by your love for Cena ( which makes alot more sence anway ).

Want to know one of the main reasons why Cena gets boos? It's because people think it's "cool" to boo him. It just seems that hating on Cena is the "cool" thing to do. So many people are blinded by their hate for Cena, it's ridiculous. There are so many ignorant minded people, they just refuse to accept that Cena is a good all-round wrestler. Everyone who thinks Cena sucks... stop being so close-minded.

I can understand people wanting him to drop the title after such a long reign, and I can understand people disliking his character. But that does not mean he is a bad wrestler. Just look at all the good matches he's had in the past couple of years, he has consistently been involved in more good matches than anyone else in the WWE. This cannot be denied. Surely this must mean he has some talent in the ring? And to say that he was carried in all of those matches is just pathetic.

 

[Lil Wes]

Want to know one of the main reasons why Cena gets boos? It's because people think it's "cool" to boo him. It just seems that hating on Cena is the "cool" thing to do.

^^ That is ignorant minded Cena love.

O yeah, I'm really going to boo Cena to look cool.....

People boo him for what has been said 1000 times throughout the thread.

Stale Character.

Stale Title Reign.

The predictable finishes with the 5 moves of doom.

There are so many ignorant minded people, they just refuse to accept that Cena is a good all-round wrestler. Everyone who thinks Cena sucks... stop being so close-minded.

He does most of the time. He has had is fair/ok matches and his greats but they don't compare to others that have been in the same spot as him. He takes a step back.

I can understand people wanting him to drop the title after such a long reign, and I can understand people disliking his character.

And earlier you said "Boo him to be cool"....

But that does not mean he is a bad wrestler. Just look at all the good matches he's had in the past couple of years,

I go by non-gimmick. Gimmick matches are shit.

Lashley,HBK(Raw),RVD,Orton(Ok..Nothing special at all)...umm....*Sounds of crickets*

That is all that I can remember. Last year he was hardly in 1 on 1 matches which is what I'm naming.

he has consistently been involved in more good matches than anyone else in the WWE.

Edge and Undertaker ring any bells?

Surely this must mean he has some talent in the ring? And to say that he was carried in all of those matches is just pathetic.

Using 5 moves to win each match and rarely taking offense isn't carrying anyone. You have to sell,work crowd,call spots etc.. Something the opponent usually does in his matches.

 

[deeppenetrationx]

Well guys stop watching WWE thats our solution boycott Wheelchair Wrestling ENtertainment and advert and convert to TNA for wrestling action nonstop and no BS storylines which is not needed! McMoron knows we despise and dislike John Queena /JOhn Semen but all we do is rant and complain about it so lets take a stand and show mcMoron that he has failed simply but not watching his aweful promotion period after Sept 16th if the belts don t change hands already ist like boy who cried wolf and we are tired of hearing and not seeing it ! Vinnie McMOron is suckering all you wrestling fans and fooling us into believing that he will drop the title but when it all comes down to it he ends up smiling and laughing loudest so what do you all say for crying out loud?
At least in TNA title changes hands to keep wrestling fans focused and interested and not bore us with the same old chump as WWE has done and is still doing! How many times did we see TNA Heavyweight belt change hands ? many times and how many times did we see in WWE only once last year
Well if he doesn t drop it by next sunday we all stop watching it coz McMoron once again will fool and sucker you for your cold hard earned cash into watching JOhn Queena win again !!!

 

[Skillz]

^^ That is ignorant minded Cena love.

Nope. I used to be one of those people who say Cena can't wrestle, then I actually opened my mind and realized that he is a fine wrestler. I'm not a huge Cena fan, I sure as hell don't "love" the guy, but I recognize when I see a good wrestler. In the past 18 months Cena has improved a lot, people just refuse to believe it.

O yeah, I'm really going to boo Cena to look cool.....

I wasn't specifically talking about YOU, however it's so obvious that so many fans boo him because it's "fun" and "cool" to boo the person who is supposed to be getting cheers. That's what a lot of teenage boys/young guys are like.

People boo him for what has been said 1000 times throughout the thread.

Stale Character.

Stale Title Reign.

The predictable finishes with the 5 moves of doom.

Oh no, not this again. When will you realize that EVERYONE uses the same moves to finish their matches? Bret Hart ended his matches with his 5 moves of doom. Shawn Michaels also does it. Are you saying they're crap wrestlers too? Using the same moves to finish your matches is basic logical storytelling. Why can't you, and so many others, grasp this?

And earlier you said "Boo him to be cool"....

Yes, I said that was one of the main reasons why he gets booed, I didn't say it was the only reason.


These are the main reasons why I think Cena gets booed.

1. People don't like his character.

2. People want a new champion.

3. People *think* he can't wrestle. (Which really isn't true).

4. And... It's "cool" and "fun" to boo him.

I can understand the first two reasons, but feeling this way about Cena doesn't take anything away from how good of a professional wrestler he is. The third reason is just not true. And you can't deny that the forth reason is at least part of why Cena gets booed.

Edge and Undertaker ring any bells?

If you honestly think Edge or Undertaker have consistently had as many good matches as Cena in the past 2 years, then you have your head in the clouds.

I am a bigger fan of Undertaker than Cena, and I like Edge just as much as him. But I can see that Cena has consistently been better than both of them in the past 18 months - 2 years.

Using 5 moves to win each match and rarely taking offense isn't carrying anyone. You have to sell,work crowd,call spots etc.. Something the opponent usually does in his matches.

I never said Cena carried his matches, I said no one carried him. In all/most of Cena's good matches no one really carried anyone. It was both wrestlers who made the matches good.

And those things you mentioned... Selling, working a crowd and calling spots. Cena does these things very well. How can you say Cena's opponent usually does this, do you not watch his matches?

 

[Lil Wes]

Nope. I used to be one of those people who say Cena can't wrestle, then I actually opened my mind and realized that he is a fine wrestler. I'm not a huge Cena fan, I sure as hell don't "love" the guy, but I recognize when I see a good wrestler. In the past 18 months Cena has improved a lot, people just refuse to believe it.

When Cena can hold his own in his matches. Spice up his moveset, Sell better, Work a crowd. Then I'll say Cena is a decent wrestler. He is has nothing more than Mid-Card wrestling skills.

I wasn't specifically talking about YOU, however it's so obvious that so many fans boo him because it's "fun" and "cool" to boo the person who is supposed to be getting cheers. That's what a lot of teenage boys/young guys are like.

I fall into that category and I think it's bullshit. Teenagers cheer faces just like anybody else. Being cool has nothing to do with booing Cena. That is just idiotic. People like who they like and don't like who they don't.

Oh no, not this again. When will you realize that EVERYONE uses the same moves to finish their matches?

I was referring to booking. Cena uses those SAME 5/6 MOVES the entire match throughout(most of the time). Other wrestlers take the time to actually add and spice their movesets up.

*Waits for an idiotic Randy Orton remark*

Bret Hart ended his matches with his 5 moves of doom. Shawn Michaels also does it. Are you saying they're crap wrestlers too?

No both were great wrestlers. They both had many classics. Something Cena has not (yet). He still has like 12 years to go.

Using the same moves to finish your matches is basic logical storytelling. Why can't you, and so many others, grasp this?

I have. Sly has gotten me to realize that but when Cena is using the same moves constantly to win matches. It gets annoying.


These are the main reasons why I think Cena gets booed.

1. People don't like his character.

Correct.

2. People want a new champion.

Correct. In other words stale title reign.

3. People *think* he can't wrestle. (Which really isn't true).

The haters think he can't. The lovers think he can. It all comes down to what you like in a wrestler and entertainment. People think differently. Which is why I do not understand why Cena marks bitch about that constantly. It's a matter of opinion.

For example, I love Technical wrestling..The Beniot's,Jericho's,Guerrero's Angle's etc.. I'm not a fan of brawling,5 moves in an arsenal,Superhero characters.

4. And... It's "cool" and "fun" to boo him.

That's BS. I do not understand the remark at all. Why would anyone want to boo a wrestler to be cool? People didn't boo Hogan to be cool. They didn't Boo Austin,Rock,HBK to be cool.

The third reason is just not true. And you can't deny that the forth reason is at least part of why Cena gets booed.

I just did.

If you honestly think Edge or Undertaker have consistently had as many good matches as Cena in the past 2 years, then you have your head in the clouds.

Put them in John Cena's spot without injuries. And I guaran-damn-tee you they would deliever 50x better than John Cena. Even with Taker getting older.

Edge has had his good matches/promos. Edge is a more exciting wrestler all around than John Cena.

That nobody can deny.

I never said Cena carried his matches, I said no one carried him. In all/most of Cena's good matches no one really carried anyone. It was both wrestlers who made the matches good.

Orton clearly carried Cena at SummerSlam. Orton tried everything he could to get that crowd turned on him. He took the offense pulled the moves and made the match watchable.

And those things you mentioned... Selling, working a crowd and calling spots. Cena does these things very well.

Cena isn't a very good seller but he isn't terrible. Orton stomped on his legs and arms about 50 times and next thing you know Cena is running performing his 5 moves.

Cena cannot work a crowd when he is getting beat around for 15 minutes

Orton was pulling out heel tactics to try and turn the crowd around. He was the one that would get them pumped after Cena would take control for 10 seconds.

Cena never calls the spots. Orton clearly had his ass in the headlocks telling him what to do. Cena rarely ever takes control of a match.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm not going to go through like I normally do quoting all the inaccuracies.

Why do people boo Cena? Because it's the "in" thing to do. People have been booing him for 2 years now, and the reasons for booing him have changed so much. People have booed him because he was a rapper, people booed because he was a marine, people booed because he was a rich kid trying to be thug, people booed because he supposedly couldn't wrestle, people booed because...I don't remember. There have been a million different reasons people have use to boo him.

Now the current ones are "stale, long title run, and moveset". The reason why Cena fans dismiss Cena haters is because Cena hates just make up new reasons to justify their boos. Whenever Cena shows that what they were booing about before is unjustified, they just pick something else out to boo.

It's ridiculous, and completely blind hate. I use to buy into the notion that Cena couldn't wrestle, and he annoyed me back when he was doing "Bad Bad Man" and all that. But, unlike so many people who dislike Cena, I stayed objective and was able to look at the vast body of quality work he's had, and was able to overcome the fact that I was wrong.

So many people who boo Cena just have problems refusing to admit they are wrong, if you ask me. All the evidence is there, all the previous reasons have been proven false. Why do they boo?

Because it's the "in" thing to do.


But, you know what? They still show up to see him. They still pay to watch the card. They still respond to him.

Which shows you how great the man really is.



Oh, and Big Wes, if you don't think Cena knows how to work a crowd, pop in the ONS 2 DVD. That should be a training video on how to work a crowd.

 

[Lil Wes]

Why do people boo Cena? Because it's the "in" thing to do.

Bullshit. People are tired of him. It isn't that hard to understand.

People have been booing him for 2 years now,

Because of his long title reigns....

Now the current ones are "stale, long title run, and moveset". The reason why Cena fans dismiss Cena haters is because Cena hates just make up new reasons to justify their boos.

And you know this how? It's common sense to why he's booed. You just said them.

Stale Character/Moveset/Title Reign.

It's ridiculous, and completely blind hate.

This whole quote is ridiculous and completely blind love.

I use to buy into the notion that Cena couldn't wrestle, and he annoyed me back when he was doing "Bad Bad Man" and all that.

He was not very good then and still not very good now. He hasn't even improved that much.

So many people who boo Cena just have problems refusing to admit they are wrong, if you ask me. All the evidence is there, all the previous reasons have been proven false. Why do they boo?

Stale Character/Title Reign/Moveset. Shit creative team.

Because it's the "in" thing to do.

Hmmm...Yeah ok. That is about the lowest of low Cena marks can go. Like I said. People didn't boo Hogan/Austin/HBK/Hart etc... Because it was cool.

They didn't cheer Triple H because it was cool. He was the most-over heel in WWE in along time during his reign of terror.

But, you know what? They still show up to see him. They still pay to watch the card. They still respond to him.

Just waiting for the fresh breathe of air to the RAW TV show.

Which shows you how great the man really is.

Which is why RAW sucks every week?

Oh, and Big Wes, if you don't think Cena knows how to work a crowd, pop in the ONS 2 DVD. That should be a training video on how to work a crowd.

I've already told you that alot of times. That was a year and 2 months ago. This is now and lately he cannot work a crowd. The heels usually do so.

 

[Skillz]

When Cena can hold his own in his matches.

Cena does hold his own in matches.

Spice up his moveset, Sell better, Work a crowd.

Is adding a diving leg drop and a blockbuster to your moveset not spicing it up enough? Cena is one of the best sellers in the WWE right now. His selling always looks realistic (unlike Flair). Watch his match against RVD at ONS2 to see him work a crowd. He's really good at it.

He is has nothing more than Mid-Card wrestling skills.

This statement just leads me to believe that you don't watch his matches, or if you do then you're not watching them with an open mind.

I fall into that category and I think it's bullshit. Teenagers cheer faces just like anybody else. Being cool has nothing to do with booing Cena. That is just idiotic. People like who they like and don't like who they don't.

It's the truth. I'm not saying that everyone who boos Cena does it to look cool, I'm just saying that SOME do. It started off with a few boos, then more people joined in because it looked like fun. Some people just think it's fun to boo someone who is supposed to be "good".

I was referring to booking. Cena uses those SAME 5/6 MOVES the entire match throughout(most of the time). Other wrestlers take the time to actually add and spice their movesets up.

Like I said before, he has spiced up his moveset.

I have. Sly has gotten me to realize that but when Cena is using the same moves constantly to win matches. It gets annoying.

You must be annoyed by every single WWE match then.

The haters think he can't. The lovers think he can. It all comes down to what you like in a wrestler and entertainment. People think differently. Which is why I do not understand why Cena marks bitch about that constantly. It's a matter of opinion.

For example, I love Technical wrestling..The Beniot's,Jericho's,Guerrero's Angle's etc.. I'm not a fan of brawling,5 moves in an arsenal,Superhero characters.

I love technical wrestling too. No doubt I'd prefer to watch an Angle or a Benoit match over a Cena one.

But professional wrestling is about a variety of styles, and brawling is one of them. Austin was a brawler, and he probably used less moves than Cena. But he was still a great wrestler, and that can't be denied.

That's BS. I do not understand the remark at all. Why would anyone want to boo a wrestler to be cool?

Like Sly said, it's the "in" thing to do.

Orton clearly carried Cena at SummerSlam. Orton tried everything he could to get that crowd turned on him. He took the offense pulled the moves and made the match watchable.

Cena made the match good too. It's just so ignorant of you to say that Orton was the only reason why the match was watchable. How blind can your hate be?

Cena isn't a very good seller but he isn't terrible. Orton stomped on his legs and arms about 50 times and next thing you know Cena is running performing his 5 moves.

Actually it was about 10 times, not 50. All he did was stomp on them a few times, and he didn't work on them for any significant amount of time. It wouldn't be that hard to get up after that and start running around.

Cena never calls the spots. Orton clearly had his ass in the headlocks telling him what to do. Cena rarely ever takes control of a match.

Obviously you've never seen his match against HBK (Raw), or his match against RVD (ONS2). Cena called the spots in those matches.

Anyway, why would he take control of a match if he's almost always the face? It's usually the heel that controls the match and calls the spots.

 

[Slyfox696]

Bullshit. People are tired of him. It isn't that hard to understand.

They were tired of him in August of 2005? After only a month or two on Raw? No, people are only tired of him now, because all the other reasons to hate him have been proven false.

Because of his long title reigns....

His reign was only 4 months old when people started booing the first time. I don't think that's it.

And you know this how? It's common sense to why he's booed. You just said them.

Stale Character/Moveset/Title Reign.

Because stale character and title reign could not have been reasons for why people started booing him in the first place. These reasons have only come along in the last 6 or 7 months.

He was not very good then and still not very good now. He hasn't even improved that much.

He's one of the best wrestlers in the WWE, and maybe the world. Fact. No one has put on as many classic matches in the last 2 and a half years as he has. If all these other guys are such great workers, and carried him, how come they can't carry all their other opponents to good matches as well?

Your argument does not hold up. Cena is a good wrestler, whether you're willing to admit it or not.

Hmmm...Yeah ok. That is about the lowest of low Cena marks can go. Like I said. People didn't boo Hogan/Austin/HBK/Hart etc... Because it was cool.

No, but people cheered the nWo because it was the cool thing to do. They cheered Steve Austin, who was a heel mind you, because it was the cool thing to do. People booed Shawn Michaels in 1996 because it was the cool thing to do.

Just waiting for the fresh breathe of air to the RAW TV show.

Bull. They watch because he intrigues them. If they really hated Cena, they'd turn off the TV, until he was gone.

They're not doing that. In fact, more people watch Cena than any other wrestler on the show.

I've already told you that alot of times. That was a year and 2 months ago. This is now and lately he cannot work a crowd. The heels usually do so.

That's almost as bad as your trying to claim that Orton carried the match at Summerslam. C'mon, you can't really believe some of the stuff you're posting, do you?

 

[Lee]

Cena does hold his own in matches.

evidence? And list something in the past 6 months please

Is adding a diving leg drop and a blockbuster to your moveset not spicing it up enough? Cena is one of the best sellers in the WWE right now. His selling always looks realistic (unlike Flair). Watch his match against RVD at ONS2 to see him work a crowd. He's really good at it.

Again one match 18 months ago...

This statement just leads me to believe that you don't watch his matches, or if you do then you're not watching them with an open mind.

Or you watching them, the guy's a joke, he's capable of a lot more and I've seen him do it but lately no [also think that about Benjamin and Carlito to name two]

Like I said before, he has spiced up his moveset.

He hasn't he's spiced them down, watch his earlier matches with Angle and these ones now...

I love technical wrestling too. No doubt I'd prefer to watch an Angle or a Benoit match over a Cena one.

But professional wrestling is about a variety of styles, and brawling is one of them. Austin was a brawler, and he probably used less moves than Cena. But he was still a great wrestler, and that can't be denied.

We've had this argument already, apart from Raw last week when has Cena actually acted like a Brawler? A brawler's meant to kick asses and not care...

Like Sly said, it's the "in" thing to do.

load of bollocks

Cena made the match good too. It's just so ignorant of you to say that Orton was the only reason why the match was watchable. How blind can your hate be?

did you watch the match? He was out for 3/4s of it so he was hardly helping was he?!

Obviously you've never seen his match against HBK (Raw), or his match against RVD (ONS2). Cena called the spots in those matches.

a contradiction here...

Anyway, why would he take control of a match if he's almost always the face? It's usually the heel that controls the match and calls the spots.

 

[Slyfox696]

evidence? And list something in the past 6 months please

Lashley at Great American Bash. HBK on Raw.

Two matches in the last 6 months that cannot be denied.

did you watch the match? He was out for 3/4s of it so he was hardly helping was he?!

Yes, he was. See, that's part of telling a story too. To tell the story of the "WWE babyface comeback", the heel does most of the beating down, which means the face does the selling. Selling is just as important to the beating as any move the heel can do.

Are you saying that selling isn't important?

a contradiction here...

Not really. In the match against RVD and Michaels, he played the heel role because he was booed hard.

 

[Skillz]

evidence? And list something in the past 6 months please

HBK (Raw), Lashley (GAB), Orton (SS) - there's 3 right there.

We've had this argument already, apart from Raw last week when has Cena actually acted like a Brawler? A brawler's meant to kick asses and not care...

Wrong. That's just Austin's way of being a brawler.

did you watch the match? He was out for 3/4s of it so he was hardly helping was he?!

He was doing this thing called "selling", how is that not helping the match?

a contradiction here...

How is it a contradiction? Did you actually read what I said? Try to comprehend what you are reading before posting.

 

[The Chlamydia Kid]

Hmm...John Cena thread getting 2500 replies, what a surprise... Do you now see why WWE keeps pushing the guy so hard? You don't have to like Cena to see what he is doing for all of you. He turns fans into fanatics who go either 1 way or another. He is the reason all of you are watching WWE whether you like it or not. John Cena is Kobe Bryant of the NBA, Barry Bonds of baseball, someone who whether you love or hate you just have to watch perform.

 

[PlatynumX420]

Not really. In the match against RVD and Michaels, he played the heel role because he was booed hard.

Ignoring the crowd's reaction to Cena against RVD because (i m assuming this is the match you're talking about)it was in an ecw original venue and had a diehard ecw crowd.Obviously he was destined to be boo'd. But against
HBK he got booed. Why is that?They were both supposed to be 'faces' but more than the usual boo against Cena was heard.People had to choose which"face' was their favorite/better Why have they avoided putting Cena against 'established' stars instead of him squashing (rookie)midcard level talent most of this year?Cena isn't as over as any of you would like to believe. Stick Cena against a vet whose been around a little while longer than him (and i dont mean someone who could be considered a legend)and whoever it would be would get a face pop and cena would get boo'd.
My closing thought Maybe you've got it backwards sly maybe it's cheering for Cena that is the 'cool' thing to do.

 

[Jeffkovich]

Cena was better as a heel because heels are usually the better wrestlers since they are in control for most of the match. As a face cena gets his ass kicked for 95% of the match then does his 5 moves and his crappy FU and wins.

 

[Slyfox696]

My closing thought Maybe you've got it backwards sly maybe it's cheering for Cena that is the 'cool' thing to do.

Umm, Cena is the face. You're supposed to cheer for the faces. You know, that's the whole reason they have face/heel disposition? When people cheer for the heel, it reeks of "smark-dom", and is just dumb. I've never understood why fans think they are above the show.

Wrestling is theater. You're supposed to cheer for the good guys, and boo the bad guys. When I watch The Departed, I hope the police and Leonardo DiCaprio catch that prick Jack Nicholson. But, I'd rank Jack Nicholson as one of my favorite actors and a damn good one.

But, wrestling fans aren't like that. They think they are above the show, not part of it. They think they know a little bit about the wrestling business and that means they can boo this guy or that guy. It's silly.

Anyways, end rant.

Cena is a good guy. You're SUPPOSED to cheer him.

 

[Jeffkovich]

I almost never cheer for the face, i always cheer for the heels. Everyone knows that the heels make wrestling. i always go for guys like MVP, Orton Triple H (who is uaually heel) Elijah Burke, Finlay and Edge because not only are they great heels they are also the best wrestlers. i agree that Khali is boring but at least when he wins it looks believable unlike John Cena

 

[E C Dub]

Umm, Cena is the face. You're supposed to cheer for the faces. You know, that's the whole reason they have face/heel disposition? When people cheer for the heel, it reeks of "smark-dom", and is just dumb. I've never understood why fans think they are above the show.

Wrestling is theater. You're supposed to cheer for the good guys, and boo the bad guys. When I watch The Departed, I hope the police and Leonardo DiCaprio catch that prick Jack Nicholson. But, I'd rank Jack Nicholson as one of my favorite actors and a damn good one.

But, wrestling fans aren't like that. They think they are above the show, not part of it. They think they know a little bit about the wrestling business and that means they can boo this guy or that guy. It's silly.

Anyways, end rant.

Cena is a good guy. You're SUPPOSED to cheer him.

I think the fans would rather cheer for who they like.. They pay $ to get to the show and they don't want to be told who to cheer for..

I don't like anything that Cena does.. Why would i want to cheer for him? So i can "fit in with the show"..

 

[Slyfox696]

I almost never cheer for the face, i always cheer for the heels.

Let me guess. You're a male in the 14-25 age range. Am I right?

I think the fans would rather cheer for who they like.. They pay $ to get to the show and they don't want to be told who to cheer for..

Then don't go to the damn show. Quit ruining it for other people who paid to go to the show and do as the audience is supposed to.

I mean, do you go to a play and boo Romeo, because you don't like the guy playing him? Do you pay tickets to go to a music concert, just to boo the band? Do you watch a movie and hope that Spiderman is killed?

Of course not. So, why do you do it in wrestling? It's just plain silly and reeks of arrogance, and fans' thinking they know wrestling, when they fail to understand the very basic concept behind professional wrestling.

I can't stand it. If you don't like the face, do nothing. But, don't boo. It's completely silly. And, don't cheer the heel. If you cheer heels and boo faces, then why even bother trying to have face/heel dispositions? Why not just have everyone use the same bland character?

It's completely ridiculous.

 

[LgKQc]

originally posted by Slyfox696
Then don't go to the damn show. Quit ruining it for other people who paid to go to the show and do as the audience is supposed to.

I mean, do you go to a play and boo Romeo, because you don't like the guy playing him? Do you pay tickets to go to a music concert, just to boo the band? Do you watch a movie and hope that Spiderman is killed?

Of course not. So, why do you do it in wrestling? It's just plain silly and reeks of arrogance, and fans' thinking they know wrestling, when they fail to understand the very basic concept behind professional wrestling.

I can't stand it. If you don't like the face, do nothing. But, don't boo. It's completely silly. And, don't cheer the heel. If you cheer heels and boo faces, then why even bother trying to have face/heel dispositions? Why not just have everyone use the same bland character?

It's completely ridiculous.

What the hell is that suppose to mean?? People cheer for who they want because everybody has their own favorite! Some people like the bad guys and its not a damn problem! usually its always the good guy who wins in the movies! so its nice to have something different in wrestling! People aren't stupid because they like the heels! take me for exemple. Im a huge fan of Randy Orton and i couldnt care less that he's evil because he like to see him perform in the ring! He puts on watchable matches and thats what i like about him! it doesnt make me a blind idiot! and seeing you defend so much your superhero idol john cena, i dont really think that you would boo him if hes ever to turn heel one day! am i correct??? They dispose heel because they need guys to do bad things! thats why they're called like that! but is it a some sort of ""rule"" that people should only cheer for the face?? Some faces dont get over with the crowd and thats not dramatic!

 

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Let me guess. You're a male in the 14-25 age range. Am I right?

Then don't go to the damn show. Quit ruining it for other people who paid to go to the show and do as the audience is supposed to.

I mean, do you go to a play and boo Romeo, because you don't like the guy playing him? Do you pay tickets to go to a music concert, just to boo the band? Do you watch a movie and hope that Spiderman is killed?

Of course not. So, why do you do it in wrestling? It's just plain silly and reeks of arrogance, and fans' thinking they know wrestling, when they fail to understand the very basic concept behind professional wrestling.

I can't stand it. If you don't like the face, do nothing. But, don't boo. It's completely silly. And, don't cheer the heel. If you cheer heels and boo faces, then why even bother trying to have face/heel dispositions? Why not just have everyone use the same bland character?

It's completely ridiculous.

What kind of garbarge is that dude.You cheer for who ever you want to damn cheer for.To compare wrestling to a Spiderman is completely ridiculous.At WM22,the crowd was pro-HHH even though he was the heel.If I respect a wrestler,I`ll cheer for him,regardless of whether he`s a heel or face.If Taker returned as a heel,would you boo him? To me,respect is way more important than face/heel dispositions.If a guy has earned his spot in the company,I`ll cheer for him.

 

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Listern up people, Slyfox696 is the biggest cena mark you'l ever come across. One bad word about cena and he will be all over your ass lol. Ive read countless number of treads and im getting sicko f his shit just like ive been getting sick of cena' 5 moves of doom for the last 3 years.

Back to the point. Slyfox696 you have no right to dictate whom a person should cheer for when they have paid hard earned money to see their fav wrestler. Your world may be all grey but it doesnt necessarily mean its the same for the rest.

Fact: Cena cant wrestle. I am yet to set a match where cena actually wrestles. Even Austin a brawler, wrestled half his match with benoit during their fued in 2001.

Slyfox696 if you can find me a match where cena actually wrestles for a good 5mins, i willl leave this forum and never come back.

 

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Listern up people, Slyfox696 is the biggest cena mark you'l ever come across. One bad word about cena and he will be all over your ass lol. Ive read countless number of treads and im getting sicko f his shit just like ive been getting sick of cena' 5 moves of doom for the last 3 years.

Back to the point. Slyfox696 you have no right to dictate whom a person should cheer for when they have paid hard earned money to see their fav wrestler. Your world may be all grey but it doesnt necessarily mean its the same for the rest.

Fact: Cena cant wrestle. I am yet to set a match where cena actually wrestles. Even Austin a brawler, wrestled half his match with benoit during their fued in 2001.

Slyfox696 if you can find me a match where cena actually wrestles for a good 5mins, i willl leave this forum and never come back.

I could not agree with you more, I visit daily and have been doing so for a long time. Now I don’t post much here unless someone say’s something completely full of genital juice. Slyfox696 you amaze me, I only see one persons name ranting and screaming his guts off using e-heroism on here and that’s you, I mean dude it's getting real annoying and boring now, Your actually becoming an online version of john ‘super-man’ cena himself. For now I dub you Slyfox696 as ‘E-CENA’. I’m surprised officials here don’t say or do anything. Penalty points to people who flame? I think Slyfox696 is the biggest flamer on this forum.

You talk like your 30 years old and know everything there is to know about wrestling? You make mentally rejected remarks like:

Let me guess. You're a male in the 14-25 age range. Am I right?

What on gods green earth has that go to do with booing or cheering a heel? My nephews who are 5-8 years old cheer almost all the heels. People have the right to cheer and boo who ever they want, and most people now want to boo Cena.

Don’t you think you Cena marks have had enough now? I mean what more could you guy’s ask for? He ‘has been’ in the spotlight for better part of 3 years now with some form of gold around his waist. Isn’t that enough? What would you like? Seeing Cena constantly beat people that have ‘more’ talent then him day in day out? Don’t you think it's time for someone else to hold the spotlight? By reading your ever so repetitive posts glorifying how great Cena is I take it you hated wrestling prior to Cena? I assume you never watched WWE before John Cena? Or if you did, I take it you booed wrestlers like Triple H?, Rock?, Stone Cold? Because they could not offer what you see as entertainment up until 'The Great Cena' arrived?

This forum has some really intelligent people posting, majority of which know what they are on about with good facts and explanations. You E-CENA are someone that’s trying too hard to be one of them, the simple fact of the matter is your not. The sad thing about this is that everyone else is picking up on this because just like Cena, everyone is sick of you.

 

[Slyfox696]

and seeing you defend so much your superhero idol john cena, i dont really think that you would boo him if hes ever to turn heel one day! am i correct???

Yes, if/when he turns heel, I will boo him. It's really not that hard to do.

They dispose heel because they need guys to do bad things! thats why they're called like that! but is it a some sort of ""rule"" that people should only cheer for the face??

If heels do bad things, and people cheer for them, then what's the point in having heels? And, if there's no point in having heels, there's no point in having faces. And, if there are no heels and faces, what's the point to watching two half-naked oily guys grab each other for 15 minutes in a pretend fight? Especially when that is the exact thing you can see in Olympic wrestling or MMA, only WITH competition.

Some faces dont get over with the crowd and thats not dramatic!

Then don't cheer the faces that are not over with you. But, why boo them? Do you not understand how silly that seems.

To compare wrestling to a Spiderman is completely ridiculous.

Why?

At WM22,the crowd was pro-HHH even though he was the heel.If I respect a wrestler,I`ll cheer for him,regardless of whether he`s a heel or face.

If you respect a wrestler, and you cheer him when he is trying to get you to boo him, what does that say about you as a fan? He wants you to boo him, and you cheer him instead. How is that being a good fan of the person you respect?

If Taker returned as a heel,would you boo him?

I did.

If a guy has earned his spot in the company,I`ll cheer for him.

There has never been a wrestler in the WWE, who has not earned their spot. The WWE determines who earns their spot, not you.

Listern up people, Slyfox696 is the biggest cena mark you'l ever come across.

This particular side discussion has very little to do with Cena. It's a bigger problem than just with Cena. Cena just happens to be the best representation of it.

Go watch the 1990 Royal Rumble. Where fans do as they should by booing heels and cheering faces. Tell me that is not fun as hell to see the place rocking for a midcard jobber like Koko B. Ware. That's what makes wrestling fun.

One bad word about cena and he will be all over your ass

No, one FALSE word about Cena, and I'll be over your ass.

Ive read countless number of treads

By countless, you mean 4?

Back to the point. Slyfox696 you have no right to dictate whom a person should cheer for when they have paid hard earned money to see their fav wrestler.

Why should the show that I paid MY hard earned money for be ruined because people don't understand that their "smarkiness" is ruining the show?

Cheering heels ruins the show. Booing faces ruin the show. It's a fact. It happened back in '96 with the nWo and again in 97 with Austin, and it was HUGE. But now, it's become mundane, everyone does it, and it's boring. However, it ALSO ruins face/heel dispositions, ruins storylines, and makes even having a storyline pointless. If people cheer Randy Orton because he punted John Cena's defenseless father, then why even bother having the storyline?

Your world may be all grey but it doesnt necessarily mean its the same for the rest.

Fact: Cena cant wrestle.

Millions of people around the world beg to differ.

I am yet to set a match where cena actually wrestles. Even Austin a brawler, wrestled half his match with benoit during their fued in 2001.

I haven't seen this match, but I'm guessing when you say "wrestle" you're referring to technical wrestling. There's a lot more styles of wrestling out there than technical wrestling.

Slyfox696 if you can find me a match where cena actually wrestles for a good 5mins, i willl leave this forum and never come back.

Before I give you this, you need to explain what you consider "actually wrestles". Because, if I were a betting man, you're referring to technical wrestling. Am I right?

I could not agree with you more, I visit daily and have been doing so for a long time. Now I don’t post much here unless someone say’s something completely full of genital juice. Slyfox696 you amaze me, I only see one persons name ranting and screaming his guts off using e-heroism on here and that’s you,

Maybe I'm the only one who cares enough to remember what wrestling is supposed to be like?

I mean dude it's getting real annoying and boring now,

Then quit reading my posts?

Your actually becoming an online version of john ‘super-man’ cena himself.

This I agree with. I never lose.

I’m surprised officials here don’t say or do anything. Penalty points to people who flame? I think Slyfox696 is the biggest flamer on this forum.

I don't flame people.

You talk like your 30 years old and know everything there is to know about wrestling? You make mentally rejected remarks like:

Do you know how old I am?

What on gods green earth has that go to do with booing or cheering a heel?

I can't find the exact quote now, but I made the assertion that young males think that rebellion, destruction, and not following the rules was the cool thing to do. I don't remember if it was here or another thread/forum.

I was going to use that to support my theory.

By reading your ever so repetitive posts glorifying how great Cena is I take it you hated wrestling prior to Cena? I assume you never watched WWE before John Cena? Or if you did, I take it you booed wrestlers like Triple H?, Rock?, Stone Cold? Because they could not offer what you see as entertainment up until 'The Great Cena' arrived?

I've been watching wrestling since the late 1980s. I've seen many wrestlers come and go. I've been entertained for almost 20 years by wrestling and wrestlers.

Now, may I ask when you started watching wrestling? Not as a competition to see who's been doing it longer, just to gain some insight where you are coming from.

This forum has some really intelligent people posting, majority of which know what they are on about with good facts and explanations. You E-CENA are someone that’s trying too hard to be one of them, the simple fact of the matter is your not.

And yet, most of the accurate facts in this thread have come from me. Buyrates, ratings, merchandise sales, revenue figures.

I've been the one who has done most of the information supplying. And yet, that just gets glossed over.

The sad thing about this is that everyone else is picking up on this because just like Cena, everyone is sick of you.

Then quit posting here? Quit reading this thread?