[Official] John Cena Thread

[notyou13]

I think he's is a good wrestler but they need to stop pushing him all the time.it wont hurt for him to lose sometimes like if he feud with M.V.P he should not be able beat him up all the time.

 

[Papa Shango]

Why wouldn't they push thier biggest star? He has sucessfully cross-promoted into movies, music, and commericals. How many wrestlers can say they've managed to do all that? Pretty much no other. To my knowledge, Cena is the only wrestler to have a successful music album. When another star comes along who can do for the WWE what John Cena does, then by all means, go ahead and push to the moon. But as of right now, WWE would either have to be stupid or willing to take a big chance on MVP to have Cena do the job for him. Because right now, MVP and Cena are on completely different levels.

 

[Seal]

Several people have claimed throughout this thread that Batista, Umaga and Edge also have few moves.Batista, very true, hate the guy, deserves far more abuse than Cena people fall for him because his entrance music is all ''badass'' (it's not that good imo) his finishing move is a powerbomb, hardly too devastating.

Umaga, hell no, he keeps to a formula no doubt but so do most wrestlers, he does alot more moves than Cena, and they're actually interesting moves too. Combine that with athletic ability and sheer size and you've got a winner and future ECW Champion in Umaga.

Edge has a lot more moves than we're let on to know about on TV. He's made to look dirty and he still impresses me even if he no longer uses his signature moves and instead relies on chairs and spears.

 

[Papa Shango]

Several people have claimed throughout this thread that Batista, Umaga and Edge also have few moves.Batista, very true, hate the guy, deserves far more abuse than Cena people fall for him because his entrance music is all ''badass'' (it's not that good imo) his finishing move is a powerbomb, hardly too devastating.

Batista gets more abuse than he deserves as well. He isn't anywhere near one of my favorite wrestlers, but the guy has 100% energy and intensity in the ring. He's like The Ultimate Warrior; He's a shit wrestler, but for someone who only got into the business because he had "the look", he gives a lot. Batista always brings it. It's why his fued with The Undertaker was so great. Taker probably carried Batista in terms of actual wrestling, but Batista did not slack off. And the Powerbomb... how can you say that's not devastating?! The Powerbomb is one of the greatest finishers of all time, whether it's adapted and modified by guys like Psycho Sid, Kevin Nash, or Batista. And while it serves the same purpose as the FU, which is to show the sheer strength and power of Batista and Cena, the Batista Bomb looks so much more devastating than the FU.
Fact of the matter is, very few wrestlers who get shit from the "smart fans" actually deserve it. These guys bust thier asses every damn day to entertain the fans. Few wrestlers truly deserve the shit they get... except Mark Henry... and Khali.

 

[hbk.is.the.best]

somting that I will give Cena credit for Right now is pissing a lot of us off, but it's been mentioned a lot before that the demographic he targets are the little kids. What happens I guess 10-15 years from now? Well they grow up and there is still a large majority of the current market still watching. Then factor in any new fans which they are bound to have and you have yourself a sound future for the quite a long time.

They've lasted when they were worse than WCW, and now they rank supreme, so no reason why they would tip over now. Unless TNA topples them, which doesn't seem likely at all, then WWE will definitely be around.

 

[Zander]

I personally voted i was not a fan of his.To me & many others no doubt his gimmick has become way way stale. When he had the rapper gimmick & was a heel i thought he was great as playing that gimmick means he kind of got away with not being a great technical wrestler and the brawler looked fine then as it fit with his gimmick.

But as he got more & more face his wrestling ability has been shown up significantly. If he was not pushed down our throats so much i'm sure he'd get a lot more fans.

What i would do with Cena is turn him heel @ mania, that to me would be excellent and i'm sure keep everyone glued to the screens again even for John Cena.

 

[kenvin100]

hmm Well all I can say is that he works hard, and tries to "fight the crowd" when necessary. I mean he's doing is job and he's trying right now. There's never a day where you see him backing down. It seems he's willing to learn and improve and that's all we can ask for right now.

As for the booing, recall even the Great One has received it too, so it ain't new. I can say the true major difference between Rock and Cena is that Rock has the greatest verbal skills of all time. To be honest, I watched the WWE cause of the Rock. Anyone can say anything if they have a mic, but the way Rock said things was unique, and original. He can use his own style to make his promos even better. It was these skills that took him to Hollywood no question.

Cena is still young and has time, but I dont know I think he may do better as a heel again. At least for now, experiment and see what happens!

 

[Canadian Knight]

I think i mentioned this before but i say turn him heel, like by beating up on HBK (yeah that sounds nice!). People don't like him so might as well put him over. This may also make a good story line against others. He may also aligned himself with others like Orton or Big Show. Then when he gets the belt again (because we know he will) it will be interesting seeing him as a heel defending the belt against HHH or even HBK.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

I think i mentioned this before but i say turn him heel, like by beating up on HBK (yeah that sounds nice!). People don't like him so might as well put him over. This may also make a good story line against others. He may also aligned himself with others like Orton or Big Show. Then when he gets the belt again (because we know he will) it will be interesting seeing him as a heel defending the belt against HHH or even HBK.

I said before in this thread that Cena turning heel is not gonna happen. If that was the case don't you think he would have turned heel two years ago when the fans started to boo him? He is the hero for all the kids that watch WWE, and with Vince's new project to make WWE more kid friendly, Cena's chances of turning heel is even lower. Cena already had a huge feud with Michaels last year and I am pretty sure he will carry out a feud with Trips in the next couple of months, so those two feuds you named are old news. John Cena turning heel would be a gigantic shocker and would certainly make RAW more interesting, but WWE don't like making big changes like that anymore.

 

[ATTITUDEERA4EVER]

How come people complain about Cena doing the same 4 moves every time, but they never complained about the Rock? All he did was a few punches, ddt's, spinebusters, rock bottom, peoples elbow, samoan drop and sometimes a sharpshooter.

 

[domc36]

The moves you just mentioned are atcually WRESTLING moves. Cenas moveset includes one wrestling move...a DVD. his signature moves are not wrestling the 5 knuckle shuffle isnt a move and he has no mat wrestling ability at all.

 

[turbomonkey484]

I'm not really a fan of Cena but i don't hate him like a lot of people do, i actually think hes quite talented especially with promos. the only problem is that he is aimed at specifically at kids, and kids like stupid recognizable moves like the five knuckle shuffle and they will never get bored of him winning because he is their hero but i can understand this makes him incredibly annoying to everyone else. But it would make no sense changing him because people keep buying his merchandise and he is probably making the WWE lots of money.

 

[bwakagr8ness]

i really cannot stand john cena, i was to the point that if he won the title back again @ wrestlemania i was going to stop watching wwe altogether again. I agree with most of u, he isnt that great of an in-ring performer, the FU is a pathetic move that i dont see how it could put someone out for a 3 count, and he always tries to be funny and make fun of people on the mic, which i give credit sometimes he does say some funny stuff, but he isnt top of the line on the mic either. Sooooo what makes him the champ so many times, what makes him #1 contender, and what puts him in the main event more often than not? I think Cena needs to be sent back over to Smackdown where he belongs, b/c he is a rising star even tho i hate him. That way he can compete over there with people like the undertaker, edge, mvp, big show, etc. i mean those are some good matches.... Orton is a much better rising young star than Cena and really there is only room for one guy like Orton/Cena, soooo send one over to smackdown, which they really need also. Orton is the champ right now, so go bye-bye Cena! haha!

 

[strafro]

I have my own theory of why many people hate John Cena, let's roll back to 2002 and early 2003, John Cena was a rookie on Smackdown, and he was a heel, but smarks loved him! I think that a lot of smarks don't like Cena because they loved his heel days and then they started to cheer him, everyone else then started to like him and cheered also, WWE was forced to turn him face because he was a "cool heel" that was over.

So then instead of keeping him how he was and justing making him a face, they completely repackage him (well, not completely) but you get the point, they change him to make him a little more kid friendly (no swearing at the end of promos). Even at WrestleMania XX he was over with pretty much everyone (partly due to Show's heel work). So they change him into a face that is the opposite of a typical smark-friendly wrestler and into a more commercial and hero like star.


This was a response to Slyfox's article as I feel that smarks dislike Cena because the WWE sort of stole him from them, they saw him as something out of the norm that they "discovered" and were the first to cheer and this caused the fact that back in 2002/2003 it was "cool" to cheer the heel Cena, whereas now it's "cool" to boo the face Cena.

Just my opinion on the Cena-hate, I have liked him more recently as I have always found his work much more enjoyable when he is chasing the title rather than holding it.

 

[Papa Shango]

That's an interesting point. It's true that Cena was turned face due to crowd reaction. After great matches with Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle, and showing off his strength by FU-ing A-Train and Big Show, he was definately loved by the people, starting with the ones who like to go against what they're "supposed" to cheer for. It's a strange "Flavor of the Month" effect that happens among wrestling fans; They cheer loudly for the guys they want pushed to the top, and once they're successful. the fans get bored and want something new. CM Punk has been getting the backlash lately; Batista was wildly popular in his first title reign, then people turned on him when he got title shot after title shot against King Booker. Rey Mysterio was a fan favorite until he got Eddie Guerreo's spot in the main event picture. I guarantee you that Samoa Joe will start to get the cold shoulder once he's held onto the title for a couple of months. And when Kennedy and MVP become the top stars of the WWE, the fans will turn thier backs on them as well. Instant gratification, that's what wrestling today is all about. "Okay, our hero has finally overcome all of the obstacles to reach the top, now let's see someone else do it."

 

[Lil Wes]

^^

Your post is referring to the IWC more so than the casual fans. People still love Cena, but they backlash he has gotten is due to the clean cut good guy crap that was shoved down our throats for 3 years. Simple as that.

Batista really isn't that way, unless he gets put into a feud with another face. Like what happened and is happening with HBK and Undertaker. He still gets MONSTER pops and fans love him. Why? I don't know maybe because he never had all the constant mic time, winning matches cleanly and "the makes me want to hurl" exposure like Cena does.

All in all, that statement is far from accurate when talking about fans as a whole, because Cena has more fans than he does haters because the majority of the fanbase now is HIS fans. All of the attitude era marks are pretty much gone.

Oh, and yeah as for CM Punk. It's simply because nobody gives a shit.

 

[Papa Shango]

I wasn't trying to imply that all fans turn on the top guy. You're right, most of that backlash does come from the typical IWC fan. But even if it is a minority, it is a vocal, passionate minority, and it's really hard to ignore. John Cena's fans will quickly rise to occasion and try to drown out the jeers of the haters, but what about guys like Punk and Batista? They both sell a lot of merchandise, they must have at least decently large fanbase, there's gotta be a portion of that crowd who gives a shit about them. I honestly can't figure out this strange phenomenon in wrestling, where the fans turn thier backs on the guys who succeed. Batista gets booed when he fueds with Michaels and Undertaker. Cena gets booed when he faces, well, pretty much anyone, but especially when he's wrestling guys like HHH, HBK, Jericho, and Angle. What's the point in having the IWC fans complain about the older guys hogging the top spots, when they're just going to boo the younger guys when they go over thier old favorites? It's official: the Internet Wrestling Community simply cannot be pleased.

 

[Rebel2K8]

Its my turn now. Where to start? John Cena is the worst WWE Champion WWE has ever had. I don't care who hates me for saying that but believe that 'm not the only person who thinks that. The main reason I despise Cena is because his whole gimmick has just gone stale like overnight. He was much cooler when he was heel and when he first turned face. The 6 moves of death don't help his case either, and I don't care how much money he can make for the company or how well behaved he is backstage. Does any of that matter when he is in the main event and we the fans are forced to watch him do the same shit. I feel for the people he is facing because they must hate the fact that they are losing to a guy so untalented. Oh and for those of u who believe its WWE thats restricting his moves, u need to see a video of him in OVW where his teacher is demonstaring moves and Cena is displaying and every move Cena is asked to show he had to perform each one more than once because he wasn't doing them properly. Imagine then if he were to attempt these moves in the heat of the moment during a match, he could risk injuring his opponent or himself....I draw ur attention to the live raw where Cena injured his triceps performing a hip toss LOL that was funny to see. I'm sure no one can tell me when was the last time he did a hip toss before that night. Solution, he has to do simple moves o no one risks injury because Cena has no friggin idea how to execute the others prperly unless he has someone in the ring showing him. We the REAL wrestling fans want a WWE Champion that knows what the hell he is doing in teh squared circle and Cena definitely does not. Give me Randy Orton or JBL as WWE Champion any day, and I hate JBL just as much as the next body but at least he can wrestle. Bottom line, Cena sux and I am glad he's no longer the champion and the longer that stays the better for every REAL wrestling fan.

 

[Rebel2K8]

I was forced to like John Cena when he came to raw in june of 2005 and at first i liked him. But after awhile he became to predictable and not fun. However At One Night Stand 2006 when Cena fought RVD, he gain my respect as a long time wrestling fan again.

I think its better for the WWE to have Cena fight guys Who are a face just like him.

I wish over the summer They do a John Cena Vs. Ric Flair match because John Cena Vs. any "Giant monster" is getting old. It makes Cena look damn near impossiable to beat. But if he were to fight Ric Flair for the WWE title, It would be a living legend getting the title back and will show the WWE fans (and specfically shows the younger 12 and under crowd) that John Cena CAN beat a "monster","Giant",or a Rated-R superstar.
But when it comes down to a WRESTLER who has been in the wrestling business for more than 25 years and is still able to entertain fans today and little kids who know who Ric Flair is, it shows that WWE came along way, and is going to be successful for a very long time.

Maybe one day John Cena can be the next Ric Flair

U gotta be mad. How dare u compare Ric Flair to John Cena. Ric Flair is a better wrestler today than John Cena is today so imagine what Ric Flair was like back in the day. U must be crazy. John Cena the next Ric Flair???!!!!!! That's like saying maybe Hitler will be the next Martin Luther King!!!! That's stupid ass talk man. Cena is the reason ratings are so bloody low and u go and say that John Cena may become the next Ric Flair. I guarantee u that if Cena gets the opportunity to win as many titles as Ric Flair did no one will know because everyone will no longer be watching WWE and that's a fact.

 

[Cage917r]

John Cena deserves some respect, he is way better than most of the wrestlers going in WWE right now. Lets look at everybodies argument against him, um, oh yeah to good old he cant wrestle argument. The good old he does the same moves every match argument. The good old every match he is in is the same argument. Get over it. John Cena is a brawler, not a technicle wrestler, not a submission specialist, he is a brawler, just like Hogan was a brawler, the way he wrestles is the way brawlers are supposed to wrestle, there matches aren't supposed to be pretty. So the argument that he can wrestle is baseless, disproved.

Now lets look a the idea that all of his matches are the same, seriously? Oh my god is Cena wins another match by getting the best of a guy at the end and hitting him with his main moves, I am gonna stop watching wrestling, wait isn't that how almost every match in the WWE goes. Very rarely does a guy dominate the entire match, Cena usually gets some offense in at the beginning, then controls the end, not that surprising. Saying Cena does the same thing every match, hits the same moves and wins. Well you know what, HHH ends another match by hitting a knee to the face, a spinebuster and then a pedigree, well i am not watching WWE anymore. If Orton wins another match by hitting a RKO out of nowhere, I am done, that is what has happened in his recent matches, he gets beat up and then nails a quick RKO over, are we all going to complain about that, NO. If we aren't going to sit here and complain about those two, or pretty much any other wrestler you could disect, they why hate on Cena?

All I can say is that the Cena hatred is baseless. There is nothing to base it on, the things people try to base it on are pointless, please just get over the Cena hate, yes he held the title for a long time, but is that a reason to hate a guy no. Cena is no different than most other wrestlers on WWE, so we should stop holding him to different standards, everybody just stop and respect the greatness of John Cena.

 

[Papa Shango]

Its my turn now. Where to start? John Cena is the worst WWE Champion WWE has ever had.

Really? What about Chris Jericho? I love the guy, but there's no doubt in my mind that his title reign was BAD. What about Diesel? His year long reign led to some of the lowest ratings and revenue in WWE history. What about Rob Van Dam? The WWE Champion got busted for pot. I would love to hear what your criteria is for a good champion.

He was much cooler when he was heel and when he first turned face.

The only real difference between Cena then and Cena now is that he raps less and doesn't use as much foul language.

The 6 moves of death don't help his case either, and I don't care how much money he can make for the company or how well behaved he is backstage. Does any of that matter when he is in the main event and we the fans are forced to watch him do the same shit.

HHH does the same shit. HBK does the same shit. Orton does the same shit. JBL doesn't do anything, just punches neck breakers and clotheslines. Yet Cena is the only one you have a problem with.

I feel for the people he is facing because they must hate the fact that they are losing to a guy so untalented.

You really shouldn't feel bad for them. If you've seen Cena's DVD, you would know that JBL, HBK, Edge, and HHH are all proud to have gotten to fued in the main event with Cena. They clearly don't have a problem with it, why should you?

Oh and for those of u who believe its WWE thats restricting his moves, u need to see a video of him in OVW where his teacher is demonstaring moves and Cena is displaying and every move Cena is asked to show he had to perform each one more than once because he wasn't doing them properly.

OVW is developmental territory. It's wrestling school. The guys there are there to learn. I would hope the trainers would make everyone do the moves multiple times, otherwise they wouldn't be doing thier jobs.

Imagine then if he were to attempt these moves in the heat of the moment during a match, he could risk injuring his opponent or himself....I draw ur attention to the live raw where Cena injured his triceps performing a hip toss LOL that was funny to see. I'm sure no one can tell me when was the last time he did a hip toss before that night.

Cena's used the sit-out hiptoss for quite awhile before then.

Solution, he has to do simple moves o no one risks injury because Cena has no friggin idea how to execute the others prperly unless he has someone in the ring showing him.

You know, this may be surprising, but most wrestlers learn by doing. I would be alarmed if Cena didn't let guys like HBK carry him in a match. Ask any wreslter, and they'll tell you that the guys who taught them the most are the guys they worked with in the ring. I don't see what's wrong in letting a veteran take the reigns during a match.

We the REAL wrestling fans want a WWE Champion that knows what the hell he is doing in teh squared circle and Cena definitely does not.

Now what exactly is a REAL wrestling fan? Someone dedicated enough to spend all thier time online talking wrestling, going on youtube and searching and watching videos from Japan and Mexico and ROH? That's not a real wreslting fan. That's just some poor fella with nothing better to to do.

Give me Randy Orton or JBL as WWE Champion any day, and I hate JBL just as much as the next body but at least he can wrestle.

^ ^
JBL can wrestle! Maybe five years ago, but his back is shot now. He should have stayed in the announing booth.

Bottom line, Cena sux and I am glad he's no longer the champion and the longer that stays the better for every REAL wrestling fan.

Here's what you need to do; Every time you feel the need to say so-and-so sucks, just think to yourself, "Can I do what they do?". Then once you realize that you can't, just shut up and walk away. The quicker you learn to do that, the better for everyone.

 

[kurtisraw07]

Man, Austin was a brawler and his matches WERE pretty. Sexy as hell even. Cena's matches are ugly and the only thing that makes his matches worth watching are the fans tearing his ass in half. I've already accepted the fact that as long as Cena makes WWE money ( mostly in merchandise since his fanbase isn't old enough to consistently buy ppvs) he'll be in the main event. I haven't let him ruin the whole show for me though, as I still have parts of the product that I find fun to watch. Oh, one more thing, has anyone noticed how lame and predictable Cena's new top rope legdrop is?

 

[Papa Shango]

Yeah, it's about as predictable as HBK's Elbow Drop, or Kane's Flying Lariat, yet people don't seem to have a problem with THOSE moves. The Leg drop Bulldog serves the same purpose to Cena's movset as any other signature move. HBK's Elbow Drop sets up for SCM, HHH's Spinebuster sets up for the Pedigree, Kane's Lariat sets up for the Chokeslam. Y2J's running bulldog sets up for the Lionsault. Cena's Leg Drop Bulldog sets up for the STFU. Why bother attacking one of Cena's best moves? It's an impressive sight, and it looks damn effective. What is so wrong with Cena's set up move? Oh, right, because it's Cena's. Your reasoning astonishes me with it's idiocy.

 

[kurtisraw07]

I never said Kane didn't suck because he does. His lariat is the ugliest move in the WWE more than likely as it's completely lame and almost impossible to not be able to move out of the way. Cena's top rope legdrop is EXTREMELY ugly and the only reason he started doing it was to try and alleviate the "same ole shit" reaction from the crowd. But there are plenty of reasons to dislike Cena including the fact that he's overpushed as a power wrestler when hes just 6ft 1. Hell, if Cena wrestled his style against HHH one on one, realistically Hunter would just pick him apart and overpower him and it would look like just another notch on Hunter's belt. One more thing, theres a reason that Cena is as "controversial" as he is, and you can't blame the internet for that. Hell, the IWC absolutely hates Hunter yet he gets the reaction he's supposed to get. He gets cheered as a face and booed to hell as a heel.

 

[Papa Shango]

I never said Kane didn't suck because he does.

Well, that's just rude. Kane has worked his ass off for the WWE for over a decade now, and you gotta go diss him like that? I digress.

Cena's top rope legdrop is EXTREMELY ugly

Ugly? How is a move ugly?

and the only reason he started doing it was to try and alleviate the "same ole shit" reaction from the crowd.

So? Do you hear same old shit chants anymore? IF that was the only reason he used the move (and it's not) then couldn't you say that the leg drop bulldog serves its purpose

But there are plenty of reasons to dislike Cena including the fact that he's overpushed as a power wrestler when hes just 6ft 1.

BUT he can bench press ten of you. You know what that's called? Power. Therfore... power wrestler.

Hell, if Cena wrestled his style against HHH one on one, realistically Hunter would just pick him apart and overpower him and it would look like just another notch on Hunter's belt.

I doubt it. Seeing as they both wrestle similar styles, but Cena's almost ten years younger, so realistically, Cena would win. BUT who cares about what would happen in real life. It appears as if YOUR problem is that you have the inability to appreciate suspension of disbelief.

One more thing, theres a reason that Cena is as "controversial" as he is, and you can't blame the internet for that.

Really? Then who exactly are we to "blame"?