[Official] John Cena Thread

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What is Your Feeling on John Cena?

  • I despise him!

  • I am not a fan of his

  • I don't like him or hate him

  • I like the guy

  • I am a Cena Fanatic!

  • I like him, but don't think he's a good wrestler

  • I don't like him, but do think he's a good wrestler


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Really? Then who exactly are we to "blame"?

Simple.

WWE's overpushing and mediocre booking of his character. You can't place all the blame on smarks, although they are a fair share of who dislike him, but before blaming them, blame WWE themselves, it's just common sense that pushing someone that much, for that long is going to lead to some dislike from fans.

Cena isn't controversial, I don't know how WWE came up with that crap, Austin was true controversy. I can't really think of the word Cena is amongst fans, but WWE obviously likes it that way.
 
The fact is that Kane DOES suck as a wrestler and even as a catch as catch can style wrestler. He always has, but his character under the mask was greatness. You couldn't help but mark out when you had the orderlies coming out to put him in a mental institution and he would kick their asses. If you don't put Kane in exciting situations, he is a pointless and boring guy. I do however like Kane for nostalgic reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that he sucks. And on the Cena's legdrop being ugly thing. Wrestling matches are works of art, and I don't know about you, but certain works of art are ugly as hell. Cena's legdrop would qualify as ugly art, as does Kane's top rope lariat, as would Cena's punches as well. Every thing about Cena in the ring is ugly. Thats why you constantly hear JR trying to save face for Cena by saying " It isn't pretty, but by gawd it's effective." Effective or not it's lame to watch. I will say that I DO NOT hate Cena the person because he works hard outside the ring, but he's still lame in the ring.
 
Hey let's face it, Cena is the Hogan of today. They both do not have the arsenal of moves that is because they both were brawlers. At the end of Hogan's first long run he probably was not well liked, I mean that the people started to get bored, the same thing with Cena, who had a long run as champion. Both have strong charisma. Both have good skills on the mike (well I think Hogan might have been good, can't remember that well). The one thing we should say at least he got that submission move which is WAY better then the FU.
 
John Cena doesn't deserve a lot of the shit he gets and deserves more credit then what he gets. Most of his matches are entertaining and, while most people say it's the same routine every time, he makes them exciting. He may be the modern day Hogan, I don't know, but what I do know is he can put over guys very well and is devoted to the business.
 
Like people have said, Cena does NOT deserve what he's been getting....I absolutely despised John Cena's booking...note I said BOOKING....I was positively tired of the overcoming of the odds so much that I hated the character.

However, now that he's not on the scene as much as before. I can actually like and respect John Cena now for being so dedicated to the business. What WWE needs to do is give Cena a bit of a break from the belt...that'll make people chill off him (hopefully)
 
To be honest, most people are getting bored of him. Maybe they should draft him onto smackdown because thats where, I believe, he was most successful. Personally, I really liked him when he was the United States Champ but now, like I said, people are getting bored of him. You might say that he doesn't deserve all the credit that he gets but, personally I think he does. A few years back when he made his debut in 2002, you would have never imagined that a punk ass kid would become a huge success and the fact is, people loved him during 2003 to early 2005.
 
I have not seen him much lately though and he has not been a major part of Raw lately, that should make some poeple happy, I don't hate the guy I just think him as well as Batista need to ture heel though, yes I know Cena sell a lot of mechandise which is probably one reason why they don't want to turn him heel but I think it make sense and currently besides Regal, JBL, Orton, Raw don't have much top heels right now anyway

anybody that remember Cena in the OVW as Prototype knows that he can be a great heel
 
WOw Is Cena getting like the biggest ovations these weeks or what , the last one at raw was like the loudest Cheers I hears since Trips returned in 2002. The fact that the fans are getting a break from him as the champ is doing Wonders for him. And also I must note that Most fans who boo Cena just boo him because the person beside him does.

Go watch when he reuturned to the Rumble , the fans went nuts but then when they realized oh it's cena we gotta boo him , you heard some boos.
 
First of all, Please don't move this thread!!!! This is a specific question about John Cena that I want everyone's opinion on.
So John Cena, everyone knows who he is. Some love him, some hate him. But until the summer of 2005, (IN MY OPINION) most people liked the guy. Here's my question:

What if he never dropped his rap gimmick, and kept acting like a street thug as WWE Champion. What if he was only champ for say 5 months, and had lost the title to Kurt Angle or Edge half-way through his reign. What if he didn't come from behind to win every title match the same way?

Would he still get a mixed fan reaction?
 
definatley not, when you hear people complain about Cena that is what they mention. He would still have haters (like me because i never found his wrestling entertaining) but we wouldnt boo him because he wouldnt be dominant over everyone, I think Cena would still be as popular now as he was then, provided he wasnt unbeatable
 
definatley not, when you hear people complain about Cena that is what they mention. He would still have haters (like me because i never found his wrestling entertaining) but we wouldnt boo him because he wouldnt be dominant over everyone, I think Cena would still be as popular now as he was then, provided he wasnt unbeatable

Ok your telling me that you never liked John Cena in the 1st place. Ok if u say so. But I'm hoping to find those who liked John Cena in 04-05(up to June) who don't like hom anymore
 
Ok your telling me that you never liked John Cena in the 1st place. Ok if u say so. But I'm hoping to find those who liked John Cena in 04-05(up to June) who don't like hom anymore

Then I believe you're looking for me. You see, when John Cena first started on a role in 2003, then built into something into 2004.. I liked him. I was even all for him becoming W.W.E. Champion, in 2005.. but by the end of 2005, I got bored with him. He became stale, and turned into "anytime I lose, its because of cheating, because I'm unbeatable."

And noone is unbeatable, as I've always hated storylines like those. I dispised Goldberg for stuff like that.

The fact is, I did enjoy Cena when all of this was new and original. When it was enjoyable to watch. Now, its repackaged, unchanged, and just repeating over and over. A heel turn is what he greatly needs, to recharge to me.. however he still gets cheered, loved and adored by millions of fans.. mainly Woman (who can't see passed his chest) and children. (who find verbally abusing people wholesome)
 
Then I believe you're looking for me. You see, when John Cena first started on a role in 2003, then built into something into 2004.. I liked him. I was even all for him becoming W.W.E. Champion, in 2005.. but by the end of 2005, I got bored with him. He became stale, and turned into "anytime I lose, its because of cheating, because I'm unbeatable."

And noone is unbeatable, as I've always hated storylines like those. I dispised Goldberg for stuff like that.

The fact is, I did enjoy Cena when all of this was new and original. When it was enjoyable to watch. Now, its repackaged, unchanged, and just repeating over and over. A heel turn is what he greatly needs, to recharge to me.. however he still gets cheered, loved and adored by millions of fans.. mainly Woman (who can't see passed his chest) and children. (who find verbally abusing people wholesome)

Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, and even everyones hero HBK rarely lost cleanly in their primes. Its just not smart to have your top wrestler lose cleanly to significantly lower opponents. The fact is Cena's title reign was that long because no one was capable of drawing the way he did. He is by far the most popular wrestler today anywhere but the internet.

Cena was great at first, but now he has turned into something bigger. As we know, its IWC protocol to turn on someone as soon as they become a megastar. The fact is Cena is young, he draws (that should be enough right there), he's in tremendous shape, he's good looking, and the fans love him. Kids love him because he's a large than life character and parents love him because he's a good role model for their kids. The more I think about it, the more I can't see how anyone can really dislike him.
 
Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, and even everyones hero HBK rarely lost cleanly in their primes. Its just not smart to have your top wrestler lose cleanly to significantly lower opponents. The fact is Cena's title reign was that long because no one was capable of drawing the way he did. He is by far the most popular wrestler today anywhere but the internet.

Cena was great at first, but now he has turned into something bigger. As we know, its IWC protocol to turn on someone as soon as they become a megastar. The fact is Cena is young, he draws (that should be enough right there), he's in tremendous shape, he's good looking, and the fans love him. Kids love him because he's a large than life character and parents love him because he's a good role model for their kids. The more I think about it, the more I can't see how anyone can really dislike him.

There in lies the problem sweetie. John Cena is NOT as good a wrestler as the guys he is consistantly booked to steamroll over. That's why real wrestling fans hate his ass. Guys like Edge and Chris Jericho are far more talented performers than Cena, but are constantly told to dumb down their athleticism to make it look like Cena is the better wrestler. But that's the way it has always been. The heels are always made to look weaker than the faces.

Besides which, thundering around the ring like a chimp, punching and kicking, and sucking up to the fans when you have the mic do not make you a great wrestler, just a well manufactured product.
 
John Cena is NOT as good a wrestler as the guys he is consistantly booked to steamroll over.
I agree.


He's better.

That's why real wrestling fans hate his ass.
What's a "real" wrestling fan? If I'm not a "real" wrestling fan, what am I? An imaginary fan? A pretend fan? A non-existent fan?

Guys like Edge and Chris Jericho are far more talented performers than Cena, but are constantly told to dumb down their athleticism to make it look like Cena is the better wrestler.
:lmao:

There are so many things wrong with that statement.

1. Edge and Jericho are not far more talented performers. If they were more talented performers, they'd be bigger draws. However, neither one of them has EVER been a draw on the level Cena is currently.

2. No one is toned to tone down athleticism for any reason other than safe quality wrestling.

3. Cena is the better wrestler.

But that's the way it has always been. The heels are always made to look weaker than the faces.
This is true. And there's good reason for that.

Faces draw, heels do not. People like to see stories of Good vs. Evil, where Good eventually triumphs over Evil. It's the same basic story in every book you read and every movie you watch. And it's the same in wrestling.

Besides which, thundering around the ring like a chimp, punching and kicking, and sucking up to the fans when you have the mic do not make you a great wrestler, just a well manufactured product.
What makes you a good wrestler is being able to entertain wrestling fans with the story you tell in the ring, and to be able to make them want to see you over and over again.

That's what makes a good wrestler. And that's why John Cena is a good wrestler.
 
I agree.


He's better.

LOL. I beg to differ. Would you like to explain you logic?


Those 3 statements make it clear you are mearly a Cena fanboy who has probably only come into being a WWE fan in the last 3 or so years. I have been watching Edge and Jericho since they first came into the business, and how you can say Cena is more talented than both of them is hilarious.


Go back and watch all the TLC matches Edge competed in and all the matches he had with Kurt Angle before his neck injury. He was probably the most complete wrestler the WWE had at the time. He had the perfect combination of mat technique and high flying ability. The reason he doesn not so those things these days is two fold. 1. His injuries have slowed him a bit, and 2. As the classic 'cowardly heel', Edge is supposed to make it look like his in ring skills are limited. If you had an understanding of the business, you would know that.

Trust me, if Edge was suddenly turned face and Cena to heel, Edge would magically turn into the better wrestler over Cena.



Ever since the attitude era, the line between good and evil has been blurred. It seems as though they are going back to that late 80's philosophy in seperating faces and heels.

Cena is good at what he is paid to do, I will admit that, and that does involve co-operation from his opposition in making him look great in the ring, no matter how much you deny it. Edge is just as good(or even better) at his job for being the weak heel character. He makes people hate him so much they pay to see him get his ass kicked week after week. Ric Flair made his name doing that.
 
LOL. I beg to differ. Would you like to explain you logic?


Those 3 statements make it clear you are mearly a Cena fanboy who has probably only come into being a WWE fan in the last 3 or so years. I have been watching Edge and Jericho since they first came into the business, and how you can say Cena is more talented than both of them is hilarious.


Go back and watch all the TLC matches Edge competed in and all the matches he had with Kurt Angle before his neck injury. He was probably the most complete wrestler the WWE had at the time. He had the perfect combination of mat technique and high flying ability. The reason he doesn not so those things these days is two fold. 1. His injuries have slowed him a bit, and 2. As the classic 'cowardly heel', Edge is supposed to make it look like his in ring skills are limited. If you had an understanding of the business, you would know that.

Trust me, if Edge was suddenly turned face and Cena to heel, Edge would magically turn into the better wrestler over Cena.



Ever since the attitude era, the line between good and evil has been blurred. It seems as though they are going back to that late 80's philosophy in seperating faces and heels.

Cena is good at what he is paid to do, I will admit that, and that does involve co-operation from his opposition in making him look great in the ring, no matter how much you deny it. Edge is just as good(or even better) at his job for being the weak heel character. He makes people hate him so much they pay to see him get his ass kicked week after week. Ric Flair made his name doing that.

Not that Sly needs the backup by any means but I love debating John Cena, because he is currently my favorite wrestler.

First off, you said Sly (and seemly any other Cena fan) must have only started watching wrestling in the last three years. You said this after responding to my post by saying Cena sucks and you know this because you are a real wrestling fan. That right there is you using the two weakest arguments anyone can come up with. Now, I've had read many of Sly's posts. I can assure you he has been following wrestling since far before Edge and Jericho debuted (either that or he's done a hell of a lot of research). Either way, its weak for you to try and seem like a bigger fan because you watched longer.

Now, as for asking him to explain his logic, his is backed up with ratings and PPV buys. Where is your logic? I would love to hear this.

Cena is currently in the main event picture and has been for the last few years because he is the one the fans come to see. They don't come to see two hours of technical wrestling, the come to see Cena cut a promo and wrestle a match, both are something he does well. The biggest myth of the IWC is that Cena needs to be carried to a good match. I have yet to see them provide any examples.
 
LOL. I beg to differ. Would you like to explain you logic?
Pretty certain I already did...

Those 3 statements make it clear you are mearly a Cena fanboy who has probably only come into being a WWE fan in the last 3 or so years. I have been watching Edge and Jericho since they first came into the business, and how you can say Cena is more talented than both of them is hilarious.
What does when I started watching wrestling have to do with the quality of matches Cena is putting on compared to the quality of matches that Jericho and Edge are putting on? I don't understand your reasoning here. Oooh, you've been watching wrestling since they started in the business. Well, clearly, with that kind of background, the facts are obviously going to jump to your side. I mean, with that kind of logic, you should just say that Doink the Clown was a bigger draw than Sting. After all, you've been watching wrestling longer than I have, so clearly, the facts would side with you.

In the last three years, John Cena has put on memorable and wonderful bouts with all sorts of wrestlers in all sorts of matches. JBL, Jericho, Angle, HHH, RVD, Edge, Umaga, HBK, Lashley, Orton...he's had good matches with all of them. Lashley doesn't work the same way HHH does, JBL doesn't work like Angle, and RVD doesn't wrestle like Orton. All of those guys have different styles of wrestling, and Cena's had good matches with them all.

Now, do me a favor. List me all the different wrestlers Jericho has had good matches with. List me all the good matches Edge has had, that do not include a gimmick of some sort. Then we'll start talking about quality.


Go back and watch all the TLC matches Edge competed in and all the matches he had with Kurt Angle before his neck injury. He was probably the most complete wrestler the WWE had at the time. He had the perfect combination of mat technique and high flying ability. The reason he doesn not so those things these days is two fold. 1. His injuries have slowed him a bit, and 2.
The most complete wrestler? LOL, not a chance. Guys like Benoit, Eddie, Rey were all far superior workers, in a variety of categories.

As the classic 'cowardly heel', Edge is supposed to make it look like his in ring skills are limited. If you had an understanding of the business, you would know that.
Hahahaha, while you get the general gist of the point of being a heel, you're failing with the execution. A heel isn't supposed to make his skills look limited, a heel is expected to avoid crowd-popping moves. A heel is expected to use moves and a match style which forces the crowd to get behind the face, not to cheer wildly the heel.

Do you think Ted DiBiase made it look like his ring skills were limited? How about Roddy Piper? Do you think Harley Race went to the ring and said "OK, I don't want people to think I'm a good wrestler"? Of course not. However, what they DID do was go to the ring with the mindset they wanted the crowd to hate them, and to support the face.

There's a difference between wrestling heel and wrestling good.

Trust me, if Edge was suddenly turned face and Cena to heel, Edge would magically turn into the better wrestler over Cena.
I've seen Edge work as a face. He's not a better wrestler.

Ever since the attitude era, the line between good and evil has been blurred. It seems as though they are going back to that late 80's philosophy in seperating faces and heels.
No offense, but professional wrestling has ALWAYS used face vs. heel. Now, what quantified a heel, and what determined a face was different, but faces have always been faces and heels have always been heels.

HBK has been a face since 2002. HHH was a heel in the down period after Attitude, pre-Cena. Austin was a face, McMahon was a heel. There was no blurring lines, just a re-description of the definition.

Cena is good at what he is paid to do
And, since ALL wrestlers are paid to make the employer the most money possible, I would say that Cena is the best at what he is paid to do.

I will admit that, and that does involve co-operation from his opposition in making him look great in the ring, no matter how much you deny it.
I don't deny anything. Of course that's true. In EVERY wrestler's case, he requires co-operation from his opposition to make him look good. I mean, how can Lex Luger look good when Bruiser Brody is going into business for himself, simply because he doesn't want to put the young kid over?

Edge is just as good(or even better) at his job for being the weak heel character. He makes people hate him so much they pay to see him get his ass kicked week after week.
But, Edge obviously doesn't do his job as a heel as well as Cena does his job as a face. If he did, more people would pay to see him.
 
Pretty certain I already did...

What does when I started watching wrestling have to do with the quality of matches Cena is putting on compared to the quality of matches that Jericho and Edge are putting on? I don't understand your reasoning here. Oooh, you've been watching wrestling since they started in the business. Well, clearly, with that kind of background, the facts are obviously going to jump to your side. I mean, with that kind of logic, you should just say that Doink the Clown was a bigger draw than Sting. After all, you've been watching wrestling longer than I have, so clearly, the facts would side with you.

In the last three years, John Cena has put on memorable and wonderful bouts with all sorts of wrestlers in all sorts of matches. JBL, Jericho, Angle, HHH, RVD, Edge, Umaga, HBK, Lashley, Orton...he's had good matches with all of them. Lashley doesn't work the same way HHH does, JBL doesn't work like Angle, and RVD doesn't wrestle like Orton. All of those guys have different styles of wrestling, and Cena's had good matches with them all.

Now, do me a favor. List me all the different wrestlers Jericho has had good matches with. List me all the good matches Edge has had, that do not include a gimmick of some sort. Then we'll start talking about quality.


The most complete wrestler? LOL, not a chance. Guys like Benoit, Eddie, Rey were all far superior workers, in a variety of categories.

Hahahaha, while you get the general gist of the point of being a heel, you're failing with the execution. A heel isn't supposed to make his skills look limited, a heel is expected to avoid crowd-popping moves. A heel is expected to use moves and a match style which forces the crowd to get behind the face, not to cheer wildly the heel.

Do you think Ted DiBiase made it look like his ring skills were limited? How about Roddy Piper? Do you think Harley Race went to the ring and said "OK, I don't want people to think I'm a good wrestler"? Of course not. However, what they DID do was go to the ring with the mindset they wanted the crowd to hate them, and to support the face.

There's a difference between wrestling heel and wrestling good.

I've seen Edge work as a face. He's not a better wrestler.

No offense, but professional wrestling has ALWAYS used face vs. heel. Now, what quantified a heel, and what determined a face was different, but faces have always been faces and heels have always been heels.

HBK has been a face since 2002. HHH was a heel in the down period after Attitude, pre-Cena. Austin was a face, McMahon was a heel. There was no blurring lines, just a re-description of the definition.

And, since ALL wrestlers are paid to make the employer the most money possible, I would say that Cena is the best at what he is paid to do.

I don't deny anything. Of course that's true. In EVERY wrestler's case, he requires co-operation from his opposition to make him look good. I mean, how can Lex Luger look good when Bruiser Brody is going into business for himself, simply because he doesn't want to put the young kid over?

But, Edge obviously doesn't do his job as a heel as well as Cena does his job as a face. If he did, more people would pay to see him.

Fair enough. We could debate this until the end of time and still get nowhere. You are obviously the type of fan who is attracted to John Cena style performers and I am the opposite. That's all it comes down to.

Just for the record, I have never heard the "you can't wrestle" chants directed toward Edge or Jericho in the past, or being booed when they were faces. But that's just because Cena is 'controversial' right?
 
Fair enough. We could debate this until the end of time and still get nowhere. You are obviously the type of fan who is attracted to John Cena style performers and I am the opposite. That's all it comes down to.
That may be true. I'm attracted to good performers, so if that's not you, then I guess it would be opposite.

Just for the record, I have never heard the "you can't wrestle" chants directed toward Edge or Jericho in the past, or being booed when they were faces. But that's just because Cena is 'controversial' right?
Jericho was booed just a couple of weeks ago for not hitting people with a chair, a face move. You failed even before you began.

Do you really want to discuss how idiotic the "you can't wrestle" chants are? Let's put it this way. If John Cena wasn't wrestling, what was he doing? No offense, but the majority of people who booed Cena were people who were jealous of his success. Maybe not jealous for themselves, but for their wrestler. It's a well-known fact that those in the IWC (which is where the whole bandwagon Cena hating started) hates those who are successful. Cena was successful, their favorite piss bucket wrestler wasn't, and so they chanted stupid shit in order to make themselves look "smart" to the business.


But, if you want to talk about what others say about Cena, how about we start with guys who are/were actually in the business? Let's talk about Chris Jericho, since you're so high on him.

Chris Jericho said:
I told John not to let people make him believe what they're saying. I told him, you're a good worker. You just need to show people that yes you know what you're doing, because you do. I can't think of the last time I saw a bad PPV match involving John Cena. The guy delivers every single night and he goes above and beyond to help other guys look good."

Let's talk about Kurt Angle...

Kurt Angle said:
Kurt Angle continued by praising Cena, recognizing his natural ability and work ethic. "I knew John would be special. I give him a lot of credit; he works so hard at it. He's a great kid, and when I worked him, we were on TV every week, but my job was to teach him, and he was a great learner. He's one of the guys in the WWE I still really respect. I'm proud of him, and I'm proud to say I helped him a little bit."
http://www.eagletribune.com/archivesearch/local_story_102071206.html

He's also been endorsed by Ric Flair, Vince McMahon, Bret Hart, and Hulk Hogan.



But yes, obviously those fans who chant "you can't wrestle" were much more accurate than Jericho, Angle, Flair, McMahon, Hart and Hogan.
 
But that's the way it has always been. The heels are always made to look weaker than the faces.
This presents several of the problems with the business today. It really hasn't always been like this and several wrestlers will tell ya that the business is healthy when it sells to the fans that the heel has a strong chance in beating the face. WCCW built the Von Erichs as strong faces, but it wasn't until the Freebirds came along that fans actually felt that hey these guys are a threat. JCP was the best company that did this consistently. Fans felt that pretty much every performer on their roster could be beat (heel or face) due to how they were booked on tv and the progression of their characters in angles. Flair and Dusty, Andersons and Rock N' Roll, Midnight Express and Road Warriors, Blanchard and Magnum, Sting and Rotundo, Magnum and Nikita, and too many more to name were angles in which fans legitimately felt that the heel could beat the face. WCW grew when fans saw the NWO, a bunch of heel bad asses that they thought could destroy any face due to how they were booked, which was nothing short of remarkable. Once the fans can see how overbearing and power a heel is the more they want to see that person get his ass kicked and will pay to see it. Today and even with several organization in the past, this ideology is not present.

WWE hasn't done this for years and it's one of the reasons why fans are turned off on Cena. The company hasn't either developed or pushed a strong heel that can convince fans that this person can kick Cena or any other faces ass at any time. They tried Triple H in '06, but fans were actually cheering him (I'll get to this later). They've tried Orton in Fall '07, and it worked initially, but they never really followed up on it when Cena returned. Cena should have received his revenge at WrestleMania this year instead of that ridiculous triple threat match where Triple H had no business in. To me, I think it's time to turn Cena heel. Fans wanted it 2 years ago when they went on a booing tour from town to town on the guy, but the company wouldn't do it. I think the guy could be a very strong heel if the E took the chance to do so.
 
Which one of these wrestlers do you think is better.My choice is Matt Hardy.I will give you two simple reasons why.

*Matt knows more and better moves than Cena:I would say Cena only knows 18 or 19 while Matt knows at least 25 or 30.Matt also uses more moves on a regular basis than Cena and those moves look better and are more believable than Cena's.I mean Cena's finisher is a fireman's carry.It's elevated,but still.

*Matt cares more about the buissness.I am not saying John doesn't care,but Matt has wrestled since he was a small kid.He promoted OMEGA and busts his ass to put on a good match night in and night out.He works extremely hard to do his best.
 
Dude? Wtf? What do you expect to gain from this bogus thread? I like both of these guys, but Matt Hardy isn't in the same league as John Cena, Cena's one of the biggest draws in the WWE right now (arguably, the biggest), he's great on the mic and entertaining in the ring. Though I like Matt, he's pretty bland, has awful mic skills, sure he can wrestle but in terms of entertainment, unless he was in a gimmick match, I can't find myself emotionally invested in many of his matches anyway.

And in terms of knowing more moves? How exactly do you know this? Do you have a database in each of their minds? What you have to realize, like I said in the Bar Room thread, the moves those wrestlers perform in the ring each night, are NOT the only ones they know, just what creative tells/allows them to use.

And again, like I said, Cena is one of the hardest workers WWE has, no argument there. So in this case, it's John Cena(obviously) Matt freaking Hardy can't compare to him.
 
Only 4 guys have been WWE champ longer than John Cena. He's been champ longer than Austin, Rock, Savage, HBK, Bret Hart, Lesnar, Diesel, Trips, and Angle. The guy is only 31. He's already headlined AT LEAST 4 Wrestlemanias.

Matt Hardy has been U.S. Champ for 2 months and makes babies cry whenever he is on the microphone.

CENA >>>>>>>> Matt Hardy
 
That may be true. I'm attracted to good performers, so if that's not you, then I guess it would be opposite.

Jericho was booed just a couple of weeks ago for not hitting people with a chair, a face move. You failed even before you began.

Do you really want to discuss how idiotic the "you can't wrestle" chants are? Let's put it this way. If John Cena wasn't wrestling, what was he doing? No offense, but the majority of people who booed Cena were people who were jealous of his success. Maybe not jealous for themselves, but for their wrestler. It's a well-known fact that those in the IWC (which is where the whole bandwagon Cena hating started) hates those who are successful. Cena was successful, their favorite piss bucket wrestler wasn't, and so they chanted stupid shit in order to make themselves look "smart" to the business.


But, if you want to talk about what others say about Cena, how about we start with guys who are/were actually in the business? Let's talk about Chris Jericho, since you're so high on him.



Let's talk about Kurt Angle...


http://www.eagletribune.com/archivesearch/local_story_102071206.html

He's also been endorsed by Ric Flair, Vince McMahon, Bret Hart, and Hulk Hogan.



But yes, obviously those fans who chant "you can't wrestle" were much more accurate than Jericho, Angle, Flair, McMahon, Hart and Hogan.

Yes, but as you yourself have told me in the past, it is the fans that buy the tickets and the merchandise and come to the live events. So the fact that even some of them are chanting 'you can't wrestle' is significant. Look, we all have our own opinions of who we like and who we don't, but most of us don't come of as self righteous as you have in this thread. Saying that because you cheer for Cena and I cheer for guys like Edge, who are in fact very good performers, you are so much smarter than the rest of us and that we are idiots.

I don't 'hate' Cena as much as others do. When he was a heel or balancing the line between bad and good, I did like his work. But I wish the WWE would stop making him into one of those 'say your prayers and eat your vitamins' types of faces that he is these days or making it look like he is unbeatable. Fans get restless with that gimmick as you have seen in the past year. He should go back to hitting guys with his chain and not being sorry for it like he did a few years back. The problem with that is the majority of his fanbase is no older than 13 these days.
 
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