Wow, I'm way behind...
First off Ric Flair would go out and wrestle hour long matches every single night and 9 times out of 10 he would carry the matches, correct me if im wrong but when someone carries a match its usually wrestled to there style.
Who cares how long he wrestles? It was the same spotty, poorly thought out match every time. And, the reason it was the same match every time is because Flair couldn't do anything outside of his routine. When he went to the WWF, and they FORCED him to work outside his routine, he was boring, average, and quickly became tiresome. He also completely bombed as a draw.
Ric Flair is the product of over-hype.
there is absolutely no double standard to compare John Cena to Ric Flair is absurd when John Cena starts calling quality hour long matches with anybody thrown at him you come and tell me then we can talk about double standards
What the hell does time have to do with anything? Longer matches don't mean better matches. What a silly argument.
people like Edge because hes IMO the best character/wrestler the WWE has right now.
People like Edge for a couple reasons.
1) He is a leftover from the Attitude era
2) He has been around for a while and fans always tend to support those who have been around for a long time
3) He was in a bunch of gimmick matches
4) He was put in a feud with John Cena
THAT'S why people like Edge.
I just want to respond to the people who seem to think that Orton isn't good in the ring! The standing dropkicks, the quick powerslams, that innovative neckbreaker, the headlock that he seems to utilize alot, and, my all time favorite, running punt to the head! These moves, collectively, are a much better move set then, a running shoulder block, an occasional leg drop off the top (that looks horrible every time he does it), a back body drop, the 5 knuckle shuffle (wouldn't be suprised if this starts to defeat people like the people's elbow), and the ever horrible STFU!
Oh, I get it. Because moveset determines quality of a wrestler.
I'll tell you what, they should make me WWE champion because I know a LOT of moves.
And, how is the STFU horrible? Cena applies it perfectly.
the problem most people have with John Cenas predictability is not just the finish they feel its the whole match thats predictable the whole get beat up then make a glorious comeback. now that finish would be ok once in a while but it seems to be used every pay per view but how i see it its not cenas fault but hes still faulted for it
And, this just shows that you don't watch his PPV matches.
If you watched his PPV matches, you would know this whole "Hogan like comeback" routine is the exception these days, not the norm.
Try actually watching the matches first before you comment on them, ok?
I say everyone stops telling slyfox how shit a wrestler Cena is,
I agree. Because I've already pretty much proven everyone wrong. No one can say anything besides "moveset" and "predictability" to explain how Cena is bad. And, as already pointed out, Austin had a smaller moveset, and HBK does the same repetitiveness, so moveset can't be counted, and Cena's PPV matches do not follow the same routine and he doesn't book himself to win.
Every argument against Cena fails. Time to admit it. Cena is a good wrestler.
I will say however that everyone that slyfox seems to like be it Hogan, Flair, Bret Hart, or Cena are all overated and absoloutely nothing special to watch in the ring.
And yet, were loved and respected by millions all over the world...strange...
But, you're right. Clearly you are a MUCH more knowledgeable fan than the millions who thought these guys are/were good. Pat yourself on the back. You're special.
And when did I ever say Flair was a great wrestler?
Then you have guys like the Rock and Austin who noone can really argue were the best in ring but at least they had entertaining matches.
How was Austin not good in the ring?
No one match was too similar and matches were unpredictable, there matches used to have loads of twists and turns and back and forth whereas with Hart Cena and even Flair its all heel beats down face face recovers win.. all of them bore me to death personaly.
Ahh, I see. You're the type of fan that prefers random spot fests, with illogical transitions and poorly thought out matches. Gotcha. Well, I'll quit worrying what you think then.
The type of wrestling they symbolyise is that minium risk (from injury), grapple, punch, kick, finisher kind which is boring as hell.
It also prevents injury, which keeps them on TV longer, makes the company more money, and keeps them from sucking down steroids and painkillers more often.
But, why should we care if these guys stay alive?
I dont really consider Rock or Stone cold to be great wrestlers either but like i said their matches were entertaining. Watch 5 Rock and Stone Cold matches, then match 5 Bret hart and Cena matches.
Well, midget wrestling is entertaining. Doesn't make them better matches.
But, I'd take Bret/Owen (WM, SS), Bret/Austin, and Bret/Perfect (SS, KOTR) against anything Rock has done that didn't include Austin. Easily. And I'm a big fan of The Rock.
Obviously Austin and Rock are about a million times better on the mic a fact that surely slyfox cant even deny.
The Rock? No, of course I can't deny that. The Rock is the greatest mic worker ever. Austin? I don't know. Austin was solid on the mic, but it was more his promo work than his mic work that is remembered. We remember him Stunning people, driving beer trucks spraying McMahons, throwing titles off the bridge etc. Sure, he had his catchphrases and everything, but Austin isn't just clear-cut above everyone on the mic. Better than Cena? Tough call. Probably, but not by a whole lot.
Yes,every wrestler has a set of moves that they use almost every match. Problem with Cena is those signature moves is ALL he uses. He cannot carry a match from the Beginning-Mid match-End. Having your moves you like to win with his common. But when they are the only moves you use throughtout the match is not.
What a ridiculous statement. Didn't you say that you liked both HBK/Cena from Raw and Cena/Lashley from GAB?
How can you make the above statement if you've seen those two matches?
HBK can carry a whole match with a variety of different moves each time. He sin't predictable.
You're kidding right? HBK's matches were some of the most predictable in the company before he left. Doesn't make them bad, but they were predictable.
Yea but Stone Cold was a brawler and his matches were unpreditable and different from each other. Cena doesnt even look like a brawler the whole image is completely wrong and doesnt fit.
HAHAHAHA.
We have a winner for most biased post of the year.
How does Cena look like anything BUT a brawler? He's short, stocky, and stronger than a freight train. If that' doesn't scream brawler to you, I don't know what does.
Cena doesnt even wrestle like a brawler anyway. A brawler traditionaly bloodys and batters opponents,takes them outside beats them with weapons, shows a meanstreak, has hard impacting moves, has the persona of a bastard or a rule-breaker.
HAHAHAHAHA
We have a winner for most uninformed post of the year.
Sir, I think what you meant to say, by what you described, is a "hardcore wrestler". You described a hardcore wrestler, not a brawler.
When your going to be WWE Champion. You should at least have main eventing wrestling and promo skills. Cena is terrible in the ring at times. Hell we don't fucking know who is going to "draw" and "make more money" because they don't give anyone but Johnny Boy a shot. Let someone else run with the ball and if they fail and ratings just bomb. (which buyrates already are) Then and only then will I say "Yes John Cena desevered that 3 year run"
OOORRRR...we can see how well they draw and make money on Smackdown and ECW, and if they do well there, we can move them over.
I'll be damned, what a great idea.
You Cena fans can give me the drawing crap all you want. It's your only valid arguement because when it comes to in ring skill. Cena is shit.
No, it's not my only valid argument. I gave you a list of my valid arguments a LONG time ago. You chose to ignore them and not respond. I even posted them twice, and you ignored both times and conveniently sidestepped it.
Don't try pulling that crap, because I've given you valid arguments. You just chose to play "If I can't see it, it must not be real".
I gave you your chance. You chose not to take it.
I rarely watch John Cena promos and matches anymore. I just change the channel when I hear that annoying tune blasting throughout the arena to cover up the boo's.
And, so you can avoid the fact that most people go crazy when he comes out, throwing their arms in the air and jumping around because they finally got to see the man they paid to watch.
Trips still was entertaining.
Triple H hasn't been entertaining since The Rock left. True Story.
I'm a person who has never mentioned a repetive move set has an issue with Cena for the simple fact, it isn't! But, also, the fact that every wrestler has signature moves, isn't an excuse for the fact that CENA SUCKS IN THE RING! He flails his arms like an ape and he has no technical ability at all! One could argue, "neither did Hogan," but Hogan did basic wrestling moves like a headlock, hammerlock, or he would spin out of a hammerlock and turn into a headlock! How often does Cena pull this out? The word NEVER comes to mind!
Then, the words "you don't watch his matches" comes to mind.
Cena uses those moves all the time. But, then, that would prove your whole "limited moveset" theory wrong, and since it is one of only two arguments Cena haters have left, we can't have that now, can we?
