[Official] "How DARE Triple H Lay His Dirty Hands On Edge" Thread

[Uncle Sam]

Look at Angle's matches now and look at his matches in WWE..They don't even compare.

I agree. However, his matches with Styles have been and will be awesome.

Kurt's not exactly putting on 5 star matches everytime out...

You can't name anyone as consistently entertaining as him in the ring though.

When he first came to TNA, his matches with Joe were phenomenal..But since then hes been very inconsistent..His matches with Sting were horrible,

He had like what? Two? Both ruined by Kevin Nash as best as I can remember.

his matches with Christian were okay but nothing special,

Underrated. Both the matches and the wrestler (Cage).

his second round of matches with Joe were ok but not nearly as good as the first...It's just been up and down and it's not like he's been put in feuds with guys who can't wrestle and he has to carry.

Still better than any other North American wrestler there is, I'd wager.

His match with AJ was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as I expected...And I still can't remember an Impact where AJ got the upperhand..I could be wrong but I don't remember one. Having him win on a PPV means nothing if hes pummeled on ever Impact. That's like Edge getting the upperhand on Batista every SD. It does nothing for Batista's credibility even if he does defeat Edge at Night of Champions.

AJ's had the upper hand tons of times. TNA management seem to like him ultimately getting caned though.

Triple H has made John Cena look like gold in their feuds... How many of Cena's feuds have actually been that memorable?The one with Orton was good, Triple H, I enjoyed his feud with Kurt Angle. I don't remember much beyond that as far as memorable. Kurt Angle has a chance to elevate SO many superstars, like AJ Styles, Abyss, Kaz(that 1 title match doesn't count, i'm talking FEUD wise), Jay Lethal(same thing), Tomko...But beating them every Impact then letting them win on a PPV doesn't do Anything to elevate a Superstar..

Lethal went over Angle clean. Abyss may as well have. Kaz is shit and didn't deserve to be made to look nearly as good as he did, but Cage made him look like gold in their match. Tomko made Angle look like a bitch. Nobody will look better than Angle, and nobody should be able to consistently beat Angle - he's too good and TNA can't afford to make him look weak. TNA isn't stacked with name talent like WWE is.

It just makes people think it's a fluke and that it couldn't happen again.

Have you seen the Tomko match? What happens when clean wins go bad. And Joe's wins don't look anything like flukes. Not to mention Angle beating people after losing to them makes them look on par if anything.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

 

[Uncle Sam]

Hogan? This is a Kurt Angle thread dammit!

 

[Danmen001]

How is it that Gifted Music has only 1 rep bar and only 1 post?

 

[Shocky]

 

[Uncle Sam]

How is it that Gifted Music has only 1 rep bar and only 1 post?

Spam zone, foo'!

 

[Danmen001]

I know that..... I was talking about the fact that someone who is as intellegent as him (or seemingly so) has only posted outside of here once.

 

[Uncle Sam]

He's new, I suppose.

 

[Murfish]

How is it that Gifted Music has only 1 rep bar and only 1 post?

As far as rep is concerned, I don't like the way he argues. What happens on television isn't as important as what happens at the ppv.

 

[Gifted Music]

Underrated. Both the matches and the wrestler (Cage).

I agree.. Cage is a phenomenal wrestler who doesn't get nearly asmuch credit.. But I didn't think Angle/Cage was nearly as good as I'd hoped.

AJ's had the upper hand tons of times. TNA management seem to like him ultimately getting caned though.

And thats the problem... This is the same AJ Styles who's been voted "Mr.TNA" 2 or 3 times.. He was the guy TNA was gonna be built around before the migration of WWE wrestlers that came in.. Now he's been made to look like a chump week after week.. He whips Tomko's ass during Impact.. He goes on a rampage and i'm thinkin "Finally, AJ's back"... So you'd think he'd finally get his hands on Angle right?Nope.. Kurt ends the show by killing any momentum AJ had gained throughout the show by delivering one hit from behind and taking him out.

Lethal went over Angle clean. Abyss may as well have. Kaz is shit and didn't deserve to be made to look nearly as good as he did, but Cage made him look like gold in their match. Tomko made Angle look like a bitch. Nobody will look better than Angle, and nobody should be able to consistently beat Angle - he's too good and TNA can't afford to make him look weak. TNA isn't stacked with name talent like WWE is.

You can have Kurt Angle lose and not make him look weak..It is possible.. John Cena's lost a few times since he returned from injury but never has he looked "weak".. Kurt lost to Joe and didn't look weak..He can do the same to AJ Styles, IF he choses to.

Have you seen the Tomko match? What happens when clean wins go bad. And Joe's wins don't look anything like flukes. Not to mention Angle beating people after losing to them makes them look on par if anything.

If AJ gets whooped on every Impact, then wins on a PPV, then gets whooped on every Impact after that, then loses at the PPV, he doesn't look on par...AJ can be made in to a World Title contender again if they do the feud right..But Angle has to look vulnerable atleast once in awhile for that to happen.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I agree.. Cage is a phenomenal wrestler who doesn't get nearly asmuch credit.. But I didn't think Angle/Cage was nearly as good as I'd hoped.

It was more than functional. I loved their cage match on iMPACT!.

And thats the problem... This is the same AJ Styles who's been voted "Mr.TNA" 2 or 3 times.. He was the guy TNA was gonna be built around before the migration of WWE wrestlers that came in.. Now he's been made to look like a chump week after week.. He whips Tomko's ass during Impact.. He goes on a rampage and i'm thinkin "Finally, AJ's back"... So you'd think he'd finally get his hands on Angle right?Nope.. Kurt ends the show by killing any momentum AJ had gained throughout the show by delivering one hit from behind and taking him out.

True. The first beat down was great, really brought back the sadistic Kurt Angle, the heel who doesn't take any shit. However, doing it week after week and not letting AJ finish on top once? Yawn.

You can have Kurt Angle lose and not make him look weak..It is possible.. John Cena's lost a few times since he returned from injury but never has he looked "weak".. Kurt lost to Joe and didn't look weak..He can do the same to AJ Styles, IF he choses to.

He will lose to AJ. Probably lose the feud if I'm honest. Losing doesn't make him look weak. However, his match with Tomko was pathetic. He was the champion and got barely any offense. Tomko ended it quickly and managed to pin him even with AJ's painfully slow count.

If AJ gets whooped on every Impact, then wins on a PPV, then gets whooped on every Impact after that, then loses at the PPV, he doesn't look on par...AJ can be made in to a World Title contender again if they do the feud right..But Angle has to look vulnerable atleast once in awhile for that to happen.

I didn't know you meant AJ specifically. This is TNA, they need about two months to have any hope of finding balance within a feud. AJ doesn't really need elevating though, he just needs a hot feud to re-establish him as a face. Judging by how everyone pops for him - better than they usually do, seeing as everyone is over in TNA - it's worked, even though the feud isn't that good. AJ is that popular in TNA. AJ will ultimately win the feud, I'm sure.

 

[Gifted Music]

As far as rep is concerned, I don't like the way he argues. What happens on television isn't as important as what happens at the ppv.

Actually, what happens on television IS as important.. What happens on television is what makes people want to ORDER the pay per view.. You can't just come out and say "Yeah, Triple H will face John Cena at Night of Champions, that's all" and leave it at that and expect the PPV to sell.. What happens on television greatly affects whether people decide to order the PPV. If the build up to the match sucks, chances are the PPV's not gonna sell.. If undercard matches(Styles/Angle), get more build up than the World Title match(Joe's first defense, KOTM or Joe/Booker, take your pick) then chances are the PPV's gonna flop. My arguments don't please everyone.. But I don't argue based on what I "heard" or "read"..I argue based on what i've actually seen so I know what i'm talking about.. If I havn't seen it, I don't formulate an argument on it..I don't go and read up on it to appear knowledgable.. I only argue on what i've seen. You can't rest on the fact that people like Styles and Angle are good wrestlers and expect that to sell the ppv itself.

 

[Murfish]

What I meant is that in the context of a fued, the ppv is more important. This is not based on buys or ratings, but they story itself. You pay for the ppv because it is more important, it provides a climax to a story. Once again this is ignoring the financial point of veiw for a moment.

 

[Danmen001]

As far as rep is concerned, I don't like the way he argues. What happens on television isn't as important as what happens at the ppv.

What are you on about, television is very important. It is the majority of what happens. And I don't know why you don't like that way he argues, he has large posts and they have good content. He is a good debater.

Anyway, why am I debating his debating skills again.

 

[Gifted Music]

What are you on about, television is very important. It is the majority of what happens. And I don't know why you don't like that way he argues, he has large posts and they have good content. He is a good debater.

Anyway, why am I debating his debating skills again.

Eh, like I said..My arguin style isn't for everybody.. I just formulate my opinions and arguments and post them... If they're not of the popular opinion, nothin I can do about that lol.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Someone on another forum said they want HHH/Taker over HBK/Taker. Some people.

 

[Danmen001]

People from the "Other" forum scare me.

 

[Uncle Sam]

That is why it is safe for only me to observe. You'd be irradiated by their sheer stupidity.

 

[Murfish]

What are you on about, television is very important. It is the majority of what happens. And I don't know why you don't like that way he argues, he has large posts and they have good content. He is a good debater.

Anyway, why am I debating his debating skills again.

Calm down. T.V. is the conflict, ppv's are the resolution. And GM, what I said isn't because of your opinions. I don't like that you think t.v. is more important. I will agree that it is unfortunate that this was in the spam zone as much of the posts here were quality.

 

[Danmen001]

Calm down? I need to start using emoticons more because I was in no way anything but calm in that sitaution lol. In fact I was more or less playing around, kinda hard to tell over the net though.

 

[Murfish]

My arguments don't please everyone.. But I don't argue based on what I "heard" or "read"..I argue based on what i've actually seen so I know what i'm talking about.. If I havn't seen it, I don't formulate an argument on it..I don't go and read up on it to appear knowledgable.. I only argue on what i've seen.

because research is a bad thing, right? Down with facts. If I haven't watched the 80's era of wrestling then I shouldn't voice an opinion of Flair or Hogan I suppose.

 

[Shocky]

I question the logic of anyone that wants to see Triple H vs. Taker over HBK vs. Taker.

 

[Gifted Music]

because research is a bad thing, right? Down with facts. If I haven't watched the 80's era of wrestling then I shouldn't voice an opinion of Flair or Hogan I suppose.

That could be viewed two different ways.. It's important to "know the history" of Professional Wrestling, as I do. But what I was referring to is people who didn't see a particular storyline or match or didn't pay attention to it but think they have enough information to comment on it simply because they read the spoilers or read about other peoples opinions on it through another site or forum. I, in no way, am saying it's not important to know the history..EVERY wrestling, true wrestling fan, should know the history. I'm saying people should formulate opinions on what they know, not what they heard. Sorry I didn't clarify that earlier.

 

[Gifted Music]

I question the logic of anyone that wants to see Triple H vs. Taker over HBK vs. Taker.

As far as Storyline value goes, i'd take Triple H vs The Undertaker.. But if you wanna talk pure entertainment value, wrestling value, and all of the intangibles that go with it, i'll take HBK/Taker anyday.

 

[Murfish]

Thanks for clarifying, because before I wasn't sure what you were getting at by saying that. When I do research, which I tend to do in binges, I do it from credible sorces, not from spoilers, opinion, or rumor mills.