[Official] "How DARE Triple H Lay His Dirty Hands On Edge" Thread

[Luther_Hull]

How the fuck does this cat have red rep??

Thatll be fixed when I arrive home

I already fixed it sunshine.

 

[Skillz]

he's the biggest face WWE has right now, even bigger than John Cena, So I don't really see anyoneelse that SHOULD run with the WWE Title.

That's a ridiculous statement. Triple H is not a bigger face than John Cena. Cena is a bigger draw than HHH, and it's been proven many times. Just look at Raw the other week. The HHH/Jericho main event LOST 205,000 viewers, but the Cena/Umaga match at the start of the show gained 174,000 viewers. HHH isn't the top face and he isn't the top draw. Raw simply doesn't need him anymore, that's why he's on Smackdown now, and why he'll probably lose the title tonight to the best in the business right now, Cena.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I already fixed it sunshine.

<3

 

[George Michael]

Triple H has been in the WWE for about 13 years and has been a Champion in 6 1/2 of those years.

Excluding The Undertaker, nobody on the roster has competed in title matches with Austin, Hogan, The Rock, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, Nature Boy, Kurt Angle and numerous other WCW champions of the late 90's.
It would be foolish not have Triple H main eventing in some capacity having credentials like that.

 

[Gifted Music]

That's a ridiculous statement. Triple H is not a bigger face than John Cena. Cena is a bigger draw than HHH, and it's been proven many times. Just look at Raw the other week. The HHH/Jericho main event LOST 205,000 viewers, but the Cena/Umaga match at the start of the show gained 174,000 viewers. HHH isn't the top face and he isn't the top draw. Raw simply doesn't need him anymore, that's why he's on Smackdown now, and why he'll probably lose the title tonight to the best in the business right now, Cena.

Actually...Triple H is on Smackdown because They want him and Undertaker leading the promotion for the mynetwork tv jump..And the Cena/Umaga match gained viewers but guess what it was piggybacking off of?People tuning in to get the password for Million Dollar Mania and the awesome Triple H/John Cena promo. So you can't really judge that.. Put Cena/Umaga in the middle of the show and see.. Not to mention that their WWE Title feud in 2006(or 2007, I lost track) generally bombed in ratings. Triple H vs Chris Jericho is not a big money match..I agree thats why I wasn't surprised it lost viewers..Their feuds and matches NEVER garner that much praise. And Jericho's WWE Title run bombed aswell so it's pretty proven that Jericho's not a real main event draw. As for Triple H being a bigger draw than Cena? Look at their feud at WM 22.. Triple H was a HEEL and he was getting bigger ovations than John Cena, the top FACE at the time. Whenever Cena gets a flurry of offense in, you'll notice the crowd completely turn on him..I like Cena..He's probly the hardest worker in the WWE.. But as a face he's been stale since he CAME over to Raw from Smackdown...Maybe the Cena/Batista feud will ignite his intensity as it's a fresh new feud but Cena hasn't really been entertaining for 2 years now. I agree theres a good chance Triple H will lose to John Cena at NOC..But it's only because they want Triple H CHASING Edge's Title, which I would prefer. If you listen to crowd reactions, you'll notice Triple H's are constantly bigger than John Cena's..And Cena's fan base has a tendency to turn on him mid promo or mid match..You don't hear that with Triple H.. Am I saying Cena's a bad face?Not at all..I'm just sayin he needs something fresh or turn heel..Otherwise people are gonna keep turning on him like they were before WM 22.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Winged Eagle = My Hero.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Triple H has been in the WWE for about 13 years and has been a Champion in 6 1/2 of those years.

Excluding The Undertaker, nobody on the roster has competed in a title match with Austin, Hogan, The Rock, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, Nature Boy, Kurt Angle and numerous other WCW champions of the late 90's.
It would be foolish not have Triple H main eventing in some capacity having credentials like that.

Some people might say they want something new after that many years of Triple H on top. Some people, eh? Crazies.

 

[George Michael]

Am I saying Cena's a bad face?Not at all..I'm just sayin he needs something fresh or turn heel..Otherwise people are gonna keep turning on him like they were before WM 22.

That's a heel turn that they're saving. The longer they wait, the more 'Hoganesque' it will be.

 

[George Michael]

Some people might say they want something new after that many years of Triple H on top. Some people, eh? Crazies.

Have those people not been satisfied with numerous Cena, Edge, Batista title runs..?

 

[Gifted Music]

Have those people not been satisfied with numerous Cena, Edge, Batista title runs..?

Well...The thing with most people, or "smarks" is if the person THEY want as World Champion isn't, then they're unhappy..I havn't heard that much complaining about Kurt Angle dominating the World Title scene for nearly a year plus in TNA..Why? Because TNA's the "alternative" to WWE.. So they have to push for TNA because they can't stand the WWE. Why don't Cena and Batista get criticized as much for basically dominating the Title scene in Triple H's absence from it? Because Triple H, essentially, is like the New York Yankees of the WWE.. The evil empire that everyone hates but that everyone pays to see. Everyone complained when the Yankees won 4 WS in a row..But when the Red Sox win 2 of 3 WS, it's a "great story"...Same with Triple H..Everyone bitches that he dominated the Title scene...But when he left, it was suddenly "okay" for John Cena and Batista to dominate the Title scene..Aslong as it's not Triple H, right? People don't care if Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett, John Cena, or Batista dominate the World Title scene.. Aslong as it's not The Game. And that, unfortunately, is the fatal flaw of the IWC.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Have those people not been satisfied with numerous Cena, Edge, Batista title runs..?

After you eat shit for three years, then have two years of gourmet meals, do you want to eat shit again?

 

[Uncle Sam]

Well...The thing with most people, or "smarks" is if the person THEY want as World Champion isn't, then they're unhappy..I havn't heard that much complaining about Kurt Angle dominating the World Title scene for nearly a year plus in TNA..Why?

Because you haven't ever gone into the TNA forums? Because people don't care that much about TNA? It's a combination I think.

Because TNA's the "alternative" to WWE.. So they have to push for TNA because they can't stand the WWE. Why don't Cena and Batista get criticized as much for basically dominating the Title scene in Triple H's absence from it?

They've had worse than Triple H if anything.

Because Triple H, essentially, is like the New York Yankees of the WWE.. The evil empire that everyone hates but that everyone pays to see.

Obviously not everyone, otherwise ratings would go up, or at least not decline so sharply.

Everyone complained when the Yankees won 4 WS in a row..But when the Red Sox win 2 of 3 WS, it's a "great story"...Same with Triple H..Everyone bitches that he dominated the Title scene...But when he left, it was suddenly "okay" for John Cena and Batista to dominate the Title scene..Aslong as it's not Triple H, right?

Everyone hated Batista and Cena. What the hell?

People don't care if Kurt Angle,

People complained, but Angle became a smaller part of TNA towards the end. They hated it when he had all the gold, I can tell you that.

Jeff Jarrett,

Jeff Jarrett had everyone's trash thrown at him when he won KOTM...

John Cena, or Batista dominate the World Title scene..

Again, these two get it worse than Triple H.

Aslong as it's not The Game. And that, unfortunately, is the fatal flaw of the IWC.

There are more defenders of Triple H than bashers, so if you're going to assume that everyone who comes on an internet forum has one cumulative opinion, as ridiculous as that sounds, then it's that Triple H is a god.

 

[Gifted Music]

Because you haven't ever gone into the TNA forums? Because people don't care that much about TNA? It's a combination I think.



They've had worse than Triple H if anything.



Obviously not everyone, otherwise ratings would go up, or at least not decline so sharply.



Everyone hated Batista and Cena. What the hell?



People complained, but Angle became a smaller part of TNA towards the end. They hated it when he had all the gold, I can tell you that.



Jeff Jarrett had everyone's trash thrown at him when he won KOTM...



Again, these two get it worse than Triple H.



There are more defenders of Triple H than bashers, so if you're going to assume that everyone who comes on an internet forum has one cumulative opinion, as ridiculous as that sounds, then it's that Triple H is a god.

If thats the case, then Triple H's 3 year absence without the Title greatly IMPROVED his reputation.. And I havn't heard NEARLY asmuch hatred, in all the forums i've gone to, for Cena and Batista's reign asmuch as I have HHH..Jarrett i'll give you. But not Cena and Batista. And how has Kurt Angle faded? If i'm not mistaken, he's ended the last 2 or 3 Impacts beating up AJ Styles, a guy he's supposed to be elevating. People backstage in TNA are starting to talk about Kurt the way WWE guys talk about HHH..But I don't hear near asmuch about Angle because, while he was in the WWE, he was a god and noone wants to think he could possibly be just as bad as Triple H. That's just my opinion from observing various forms from various sites over the years.

 

[George Michael]

After you eat shit for three years, then have two years of gourmet meals, do you want to eat shit again?

Dude...

They had to relaunch that title and unfortunately (for you) the best candidate to do that was Triple H. Some great things came out of that era, namely Orton, Batista and a Chris Benoit title run.
Get over it.

 

[Uncle Sam]

If thats the case, then Triple H's 3 year absence without the Title greatly IMPROVED his reputation.. And I havn't heard NEARLY asmuch hatred, in all the forums i've gone to, for Cena and Batista's reign asmuch as I have HHH..Jarrett i'll give you.

Don't generalise people on the internet. It's stupid, as I've shown by showing how opinions on this site different to those you've been on.

But not Cena and Batista. And how has Kurt Angle faded? If i'm not mistaken, he's ended the last 2 or 3 Impacts beating up AJ Styles, a guy he's supposed to be elevating.

Firstly, Angle faded towards the end of his title reign. Tomko went over him ridiculously superclean. Made Angle look so bad. After he lost the belt, however, TNA began to emphasise him again. And Angle's having great matches with Styles, something more memorable than a few beatdowns. Sadly, Triple H can't put on great matches any more.

People backstage in TNA are starting to talk about Kurt the way WWE guys talk about HHH..But I don't hear near asmuch about Angle because, while he was in the WWE, he was a god and noone wants to think he could possibly be just as bad as Triple H.

Also, he's in TNA, a much smaller and less newsworthy company. You don't get much Angle praise either. Here at least. And again, don't generalise people on forums. It's stupid and does nothing to back any arguments.

That's just my opinion from observing various forms from various sites over the years.

Sounds more like a critique of forum fans than any sort of wrestling argument to me.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Dude...

They had to relaunch that title and unfortunately (for you) the best candidate to do that was Triple H. Some great things came out of that era, namely Orton, Batista and a Chris Benoit title run.
Get over it.

Get over it? What a convincing argument. And relaunch the title? What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[George Michael]

And relaunch the title? What the fuck are you talking about?

The World Heavyweight title that's on Edge's shoulder.
It was vacated until it was awarded to Triple H in 2002 where it began anew.
For the love of Christ pay attention.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'd ban someone for not being clear at all, but I may be reprimanded.

 

[George Michael]

Here: http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/worldheavyweight/

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'm aware what title you mean now, but you didn't make it all clear what title you were talking about before and yet you expected me to know.

 

[Gifted Music]

Look at Angle's matches now and look at his matches in WWE..They don't even compare. Kurt's not exactly putting on 5 star matches everytime out...When he first came to TNA, his matches with Joe were phenomenal..But since then hes been very inconsistent..His matches with Sting were horrible, his matches with Christian were okay but nothing special, his second round of matches with Joe were ok but not nearly as good as the first...It's just been up and down and it's not like he's been put in feuds with guys who can't wrestle and he has to carry.

His match with AJ was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as I expected...And I still can't remember an Impact where AJ got the upperhand..I could be wrong but I don't remember one. Having him win on a PPV means nothing if hes pummeled on ever Impact. That's like Edge getting the upperhand on Batista every SD. It does nothing for Batista's credibility even if he does defeat Edge at Night of Champions.

Triple H has made John Cena look like gold in their feuds... How many of Cena's feuds have actually been that memorable?The one with Orton was good, Triple H, I enjoyed his feud with Kurt Angle. I don't remember much beyond that as far as memorable. Kurt Angle has a chance to elevate SO many superstars, like AJ Styles, Abyss, Kaz(that 1 title match doesn't count, i'm talking FEUD wise), Jay Lethal(same thing), Tomko...But beating them every Impact then letting them win on a PPV doesn't do Anything to elevate a Superstar..It just makes people think it's a fluke and that it couldn't happen again.

 

[George Michael]

I'm aware what title you mean now, but you didn't make it all clear what title you were talking about before and yet you expected me to know.

I was clearly referencing the 'three years of eating shit' era you had posted about.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Czena sux

 

[George Michael]

Look at Angle's matches now and look at his matches in WWE..They don't even compare. Kurt's not exactly putting on 5 star matches everytime out...When he first came to TNA, his matches with Joe were phenomenal..But since then hes been very inconsistent..His matches with Sting were horrible, his matches with Christian were okay but nothing special, his second round of matches with Joe were ok but not nearly as good as the first...It's just been up and down and it's not like he's been put in feuds with guys who can't wrestle and he has to carry.

His match with AJ was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as I expected...And I still can't remember an Impact where AJ got the upperhand..I could be wrong but I don't remember one. Having him win on a PPV means nothing if hes pummeled on ever Impact. That's like Edge getting the upperhand on Batista every SD. It does nothing for Batista's credibility even if he does defeat Edge at Night of Champions.

Triple H has made John Cena look like gold in their feuds... How many of Cena's feuds have actually been that memorable?The one with Orton was good, Triple H, I enjoyed his feud with Kurt Angle. I don't remember much beyond that as far as memorable. Kurt Angle has a chance to elevate SO many superstars, like AJ Styles, Abyss, Kaz(that 1 title match doesn't count, i'm talking FEUD wise), Jay Lethal(same thing), Tomko...But beating them every Impact then letting them win on a PPV doesn't do Anything to elevate a Superstar..It just makes people think it's a fluke and that it couldn't happen again.

It does seem that Angle's TNA tenure is mirroring Triple H's. He's become the measuring stick, which I feel is fine so long as he stays long enough to elevate all of the right people.

 

[George Michael]

Czena sux

Sad but true.