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Fakes for cheering for Hardy? Sorry dude but that's just a dumb statement. Hardy might not be a legend yet but he is deff a cult classic, the same with RVD. Yeah they were cheering Hardy over AJ but right now Styles is a heel anyways. But forget that whole heel vs face crap stuff a second. AJ vs Hardy has all the potential in the world to be a great feud with tremendous matches. I believe thats why they were really cheering, they were caught up in the intrigue of this feud happening. Not saying that Hardy wouldn't get cheered if he was up against someone else, however, this is one of those dream matches scenerios, although I wish they saved it for a PPV, so yeah of course they are going to cheer their asses off.
 
I'm rather shocked you realized this "fakes" thing just now, but I'm also shocked you only think this because they cheer... Jeff Hardy.


I agree with your topic statement, but NOT with your reasoning.


I think the TNA crowd is idiotic. They are nowhere near the level of the ECW crowd, or the jerkass WWE crowd who chant "YOU CAN'T WRESTLE!" and such. They cheer ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous, uneven, or horrible it is, unless it is BLATANTLY awful in which case they give a "FIRE RUSSO!" chant which is less genuine and more just a chance to cheer something to think they're being "edgy" and somehow encouraging negative sentiment towards Vince Russo backstage.

They boo AJ Styles almost en masse for his heelturn, then cheer him during his matches, they cheer Sting almost unanimously, then LOUDLY chant "RVD" as Van Dam pulls a very heelish trap and ambush curb-stomping on him, and they LOUDLY chant "Hogan!" when Bischoff pleads with Hogan to remember the promise he made to his family and friends.
 
I've always assumed it's because the shows are free and anyone can attend. I mean, if I was in the area and had the chance to go to a free wrestling show, even if I've never seen the product before, I would definitely be there. And if I went and hey, what do you know, a superstar that I used to cheer from a different promotion is there, I'm going to be cheering like crazy! Think of it this way:

Just think of your favorite current wrestler. Imagine he/she leaves whatever company they work for. Now imagine that you're driving through Nebraska, and find out you can attend a free wrestling show. You're a wrestling fan, so you attend. And when you're there, your favorite wrestler walks out and has a match against whomever. Wouldn't you be going nuts? Would you care that you were cheering your favorite and not someone who was in the promotion for years and years and years? I think not.

But anyway, the TNA faithful fans better step it up, because last night's show had worse ratings than the normal rating during the regular thursday slot.
 
I'll give the fact that Bret Hart is back,

But Taker has never claimed to retire and come back 65 times has he?
Shawn Michaels had career ending back surgery and came back after 4 years to still be better than anybody in WWE. Finlay sucks and Bret is here for 4 months, he didnt take 50% control of the company now did he chief? Get your facts straight.. Vince does it for the fans, TNA does it to appease Hogan and give all his friends a job douche.

I'm not taking anything away from Michaels, Taker, OR Bret. All i am saying is that WWE has guys that have been in the business for a long fuckin time too.
 
A returning face with previous history in the promotion and garnered success in another promotion faces off against the company's top heel in their first match back and youre wondering why the fans cheered for him?
 
I agree. I hate seeing the same "fans" always in the front row laughing and just being stupid every week. I know they have the right but still they act like its not even a wrestling event or nothin. This 1 guy, hes about 5 feet tall, longer hair, hes ALWAYS in the front row just a few ppl right of the top left turnbuckle on the tv, along with some of the other regulars that use to be in the front row wearing sunglasses and all, then moved up to the front row of the balcony now they are back in the front row. I like TNA alot now as much as before Hogan and Easy E got there but I still like it and the fans come there to chant stupid things to get a laugh and get on tv since its free admission.
 
Straight and Simply.TNA Crowed sucks WWE crowd's are better. if you realize that tna has all the washed up talent of wwe. except Jeff Hardy. WWE has fresh new talents coming in to a multimillion dollar company.
 
This is so stupid. Are you kidding me? Fakes? They LIKE Jeff Hardy. What is wrong with that? He was in TNA, if you can remember. He wasn't as big in TNA as he was in WWE, but come on, get real. So what you are trying to say is that TNA fans, in the IMpact zone, should only cheer for guys who were there before Hogan/Bischoff? Jeff Hardy is HUGE star in professional wrestling. Did you actually want them to boo him? If so, I think you are nuts.
 
Buddy. The only thing pathetic is your theory. Crowds generally prefer Babyfaces (Jeff Hardy) over Heels (AJ Styles). Also did you forget this was Jeff Hardy? I may not be much of a Hardy fan but I do know he is one of the two most over people of this decades later periods, the other being John Cena. And besides it's just awesome getting a new star, regardless of what company. So dude, just chill.
 
I am a TNA fan, have been since FSN. but before that I am a wrestling fan I watch TNA and WWE I watch TNA on mondays now. I am a Jeff Hardy fan. I cheer for Jeff Hardy but I cheer for AJ as well.
 
Is the guy that started the thread dumb or is he a solid WWE fan?

They cheer Hardy because:

1. He's this little thing called a baby face.

2. He just returned to TNA. Returns are ALWAYS cheered no matter who the hell you are.

3. They don't cheer ex WWE star, they cheer a current TNA star, that's what he's perceived as by normal wrestling fans.

4. Why in the HELL would they cheer for their "biggest star AJ Styles" - he's a heel! This ain't no WWE where Heels are Cheered and faces are Bood. When's the last time you saw that crap in TNA?


Also, I'll go a bit off-topic but I want to get this off my chest. Why do people complain that Flair is wrestling, Nash is wrestling, Hogan's there and takes up too much time, Hardy's an ex-WWE star and all that stuff. If I remember correctly...didn't Flair wrestle in the WWE just as saggy, just as bad? Why didn't you complain about that? Because it's WWE and the SMALLEST thing they do means the world to you? Mind you, Flair's never been better in YEARS now that he's in TNA.

Fact is, all the ex-WWE guys are used better in TNA. If you hate them JUST because they're ex-WWE guys in TNA then you're a moron. It's called "trying to keep a damn job". They have families, they need to provide for their children and wives and ALL of them including Hogan are damn entertaining and good TV.

Now please, go watch WWE make Randy Orton say he Respects Triple H after basically having a storyline of being sick of him for YEARS. Go watch another skit with Santino and a guest HOEst, go watch Stone freaking Cold come out for the first time in a couple of years and basically stand there like an idiot, say his catchphrases. WWE hurts my intelligence. If you'll have Stone Cold there make him raise some damn hell no play goodie goodie with the crowd and McMahon. Ugh... headache!
 
If you have complaints about TNA's product, then voice them here. I'll also be merging a few negative TNA threads to reduce the clutter here and also make sure we get some general discussion about what posters think TNA is doing wrong. So air your grievances with TNA here. Also, making thread complaints about certain wrestlers is fine. This threads for complaints about TNA as a whole.

Thanks,

The Lariat
TNA Section Moderator
 
I'll start with AJ. First off he doesn't have an ounce of charisma in his entire body. No stage presence. Horrible on the stick.

AJ is a great wrestler and is great on the mic.He can be a Face that the crowed can get behind and a heel that can draw heat.So i ask you,What show are you watching?AJ has plenty of Charisma and can make and keep an argument against almost any wrestler.

The robe is even 50x worse. The earrings look ridiculous.

It all part of the character.The robe may look stupid but its not really that big of a deal.It just play's up his new rich boy attitude.As for the earrings you are being a little to picky.

This guy is Khali and Kozlov bad. Probably even worse because atleast those 2 didn't talk much.

Abyss is no Big Show but comparing him to Khali and Kozlov is crazy.Abyss
is only bad because he not a monster.He looks like one and Wrestlers like one but dose not act the part.That is his true downfall.

Hogan feels he needs the spot light for TNA to gain ratings.He may be right but putting him self so deep into the World title picture is hurting the show IMO.Flair dose not bother me because he seems important at the moment(but not for long).

Angel can be put into almost any situation and can draw and put on Match of the year performances week after week,he is better than Foley in the ring by leaps and bounds.Yet some how they both seem to draw about the same.

Now for every one else

Chris Daniels: I am a HUGE Fallen Angel mark.I had said many times how great he is.AJ is Better,but only by a little bit.Chris should be world Champ but he might not ever get his chance.

RVD:Will be champ within 2 years.

Jeff hardy :Champ within 6 Months

Mr.Anderson: Getting a push from Kurt right but will(should) win TNA gold.

Wolf:I don't even know any more,he's being overshadow by pope,AJ,&Abyss.

Pope:Very,Very talented and will be Champ multiple times once he get's up their.

Beer Money:Been in a team to long to win the TNA world title IMO.

The WWE "rejects" will be in TNA for ever we most all get use to it.


We get use to those people that know nothing about the old TNA and the ones with no respect for legends they are also here to stay.
 
I'm glad this thread was created. I loath the current WWE product, so that is what drove me to TNA over the summer. I've been loving it, but something just doesn't feel right when watching it now.

My general complaint about the current TNA product is that they tried to change too much too quick. Too many people got changed from face to heel. Too many people got their gimmicks and characters tweaked, so now I have to reconnect to everyone from AJ Styles to Kurt Angle to Beer Money.

The four sided ring is great, but why that goddam stage leading into the ring?

Why are Bischoff and Hogan in so many segments? Can they not run things from behind the scene? Combined they get about 15-20 minutes of airtime each week. I am so tired of seeing and hearing them. I want to see my TNA wrestlers have great matches and cut promos.

Watch TNA from a year or two ago, and it just has a different feel. It feels more honest. It feels more genuine. TNA still has a good feel about it, but it doesn't feel like TNA. They need to create an identity again so that they can draw in new fans, and keep the old ones happy. First things first though, Bischoff and Hogan need to get off of television or limit themselves to 1 or 2 minutes of TV time each week. They are not needed as on-air characters and you challenge someone to tell me other wise and state why they are needed on television.
 
Washed up wwe talents? With the exception of Christian, Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle, and wack ass Hogan who technically started in NWA but became popular in WWF/E.....

Name another wrestler who originated in WWE and is now in TNA? and CHristian is not even here anymore
Most of these so called "washed up" WWE talents did not even originated in WCW or ECW and not WWF/E

that's why people continuously say oh it's the new WCW (even though it's not)

On the blog topic, the TNA fans are "wrestling" fans. It's not that TNA fans are "All for TNA and TNA for ALL". In the NFL, if your a Giants fan and say, Demarcus Ware from the Cowboys or the recently released former Eagle and Pro Bowler Brian Westbrook came to terms and signed with the Giants, would you be upset and angry because they used to play for hated rivals?
No, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Our team is TNA and we love our team, and we welcome any new talents as long as they "can play" or in this case wrestle, and as long as they can contribute something in our efforts to win it all and become #1

I remember when Jeff Hardy first debuted back at Slammiversary 2004
They welcomed Hardy because he's awesome and they also cheered AJ because he is equally if not more awesome and at the time he was face.
Now he is a heel, they boo Ric Flair because he's heel but we all know everyone loves Flair "wooooooo!!!". Sorry I had to do that.

Honestly we are making a big deal out of nothing, TNA Fans are "wrestling" fans and at the end of the day that's what we want to see, people who can wrestle, and I think everyone can agree that TNA has the best wrestlers and that other show has mostly entertainers with the exception of a few.

Oh by the way I didn't count Pope or Mr Anderson because they barely were even used in WWE and they deserved better use of their talents
 
Im sick of Foley. Instead of the pointless Bischoff/foley crap, perhaps an x division match? It would be nice if the Global championship(or whatever it is) was defended.
 
Washed up wwe talents? With the exception of Christian, Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle, and wack ass Hogan who technically started in NWA but became popular in WWF/E.....

Name another wrestler who originated in WWE and is now in TNA? and CHristian is not even here anymore
Most of these so called "washed up" WWE talents did not even originated in WCW or ECW and not WWF/E

Former WWE employees currently employed by TNA, apart from Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle, (Christian) and Hogan: Mick Foley, Tazz, Pope, Stevie Richards, Mr. Anderson, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Hall/Razor Ramon, Sean Waltman/Syxx-Pac(k?), Kevin Nash, Brian Kendrick, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Brother Runt, Brother Devon, Brother Ray, Raven, RVD, Rhyno, (Scott Steiner? Sean Morley?), Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Matt Morgan, Brian Knobbs, Jerry Sags, Tomko, Hernandez (as Hotstuff Hernandez and Shawn Hernandez; jobber), Big Rob Terry (FCW w/ appearances on SD!/ECW), Frankie Kazarian (WWF Jakked), Doug Williams (WWE dark match(es)), Christopher Daniels (developmental), Christy Hemme, So-Cal Val (P.P.A.), Tara, Lacey Von Erich (developmental) and of course Jimmy Hart.

I'm sure I missed some. Read up yourself: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/tna-roster/

Technically, though, NO wrestler originates from the WWE. They all originate from the indies or the territories, but that's semantics. Who has BEEN in the WWE is a more interesting question than "who made a name for themselves?".

that's why people continuously say oh it's the new WCW (even though it's not)

No, people say it's the new WCW because they see likenesses in how the organization is run, i.e. Hogan and Bischoff at the helm, bringing in their buddies for pay-checks. I'm not convinced this is the case myself, but that's apparently what some people think.

On the blog topic, the TNA fans are "wrestling" fans. It's not that TNA fans are "All for TNA and TNA for ALL". In the NFL, if your a Giants fan and say, Demarcus Ware from the Cowboys or the recently released former Eagle and Pro Bowler Brian Westbrook came to terms and signed with the Giants, would you be upset and angry because they used to play for hated rivals?
No, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Clearly you've never been a FAN (from the term "fanatic") of a sports team then; perhaps more of a casual observer that roots for a team? There are certain players the fans hate, whether they sign for their team or not, because they simply dislike them due to previous comments, behavior, team rivalry or efforts against their team.

It's not about rationality, it's about emotion. It's not ridiculous, it's human.

Me, I'm not a TNA or WWE fan, I'm a wrestling fan, period. Some people are TNA fans, some are WWE fans. I respect that, but do not always agree with their points of view.

Our team is TNA and we love our team, and we welcome any new talents as long as they "can play" or in this case wrestle, and as long as they can contribute something in our efforts to win it all and become #1

Sure, I agree, but not everyone does. That doesn't make those other people "wrong", it makes them of another opinion.

I remember when Jeff Hardy first debuted back at Slammiversary 2004
They welcomed Hardy because he's awesome and they also cheered AJ because he is equally if not more awesome and at the time he was face.
Now he is a heel, they boo Ric Flair because he's heel but we all know everyone loves Flair "wooooooo!!!". Sorry I had to do that.

Not everyone loves Flair. I am developing a strong dislike towards Ric Flair the person and performer, not just the character. I think he should've had the decency to hang his boots up for good when the WWE sent him off with a tremendous bang. Like, get the hints, old man. It's not legendary anymore, it's sad and pathetic.

I'd boo Ric Flair because I want him the hell off of TV.

Honestly we are making a big deal out of nothing, TNA Fans are "wrestling" fans and at the end of the day that's what we want to see, people who can wrestle, and I think everyone can agree that TNA has the best wrestlers and that other show has mostly entertainers with the exception of a few.

If you want to see people wrestle, you should go to a high school gym or some amateur wrestling organization and get wrestling to your heart's delight. Pro Wrestling isn't just about wrestling - it's about entertainment and athleticism in a package, not one without the other.

TNA does not have the "best wrestlers", but they have a few who are very good, some who are decent and a whole lot of spot monkeys. It is my firm opinion that these spot monkeys that can do a corkscrew 720 off a ladder into the crowd, but couldn't talk their way out of a kindergarten argument, hurt the product more than they add to it.

Oh by the way I didn't count Pope or Mr Anderson because they barely were even used in WWE and they deserved better use of their talents

Oh, great. So, you can arbitrarily change the definition of what "working for a company" means?

They were very much used in the WWE, both of them. Anderson had a very good string of feuds with people such as Finlay and The Undertaker. Pope had some very good feuds with CM Punk and as the leader of the New Breed.

Ken was with WWE for, what, 5 years? And Pope something like 3-4 years. I think that qualifies as "having worked for the company".
 
I'm sick and tired of you people bitching about "WWE Rejects" and "WCW 2.0". I'm a TNA fan. I have been since 2008 (but watching since '07). The fact its imposible for TNA to push ahead on "homegrown" talent. WWE has had a decade long monopoly over the western hemisphere. Its obvious they will have the best talent in the world. Its up to them to use them right. TNA has no developmental system. They need to get trained talent. Where do they go, then? WWE. ROH. PWG. AAA. Anywhere they can. They have a slight edge above other small promotions, they have to do what they can.

As for Hogan, Flair and co. You people need to realize that there isn't enough "pure" wrestling fans in America to make TNA's ratings stand out. Your proof is in the ratings. People would much rather watch Criss Angels, Attention ****e and Stone Cold Steve Austin a la 60 Minute's. TNA needs publicity, for that they need big names. You people should be grateful TNA isn't reaching for second rate "celebs" for small rating boosts every week. No, they use people with actual experince on the field instead. They are working their asses to the bone as best they can to get their name on the map.

You people need to look at things that can change. The ringside is too small. The front row crowd isn't taking it seriously. AJ should speak more than Flair. Abyss' theme is god aweful. AJ looks like a peacock wearing Flairs robe.
 
I am a big tna fan and think they are doing a lot right at the moment but it seems they are putting too much of an emphasis on putting together a wwe-lite product with a few throwbacks to before wwe sucked. I think they should be focusing more on highlighting the differences and do so by telling the story a little more in the ring. The main reason I switched to tna from wwe was the matches in wwe were terrible while the ones in tna were often entertaining. Now tna seems to not be devoting enough time to in-ring wrestling. The stories are there but the matches now have even less time and the pace has been slowed some. That is a bad combination and is why they are resorting too often to dumb reasons to have matches finish quickly and the quality seems to have suffered.

Giving the nasties time is also about to kill the tag team division. As far as misused talent the only guy I am wondering why they will not give him a shot to do something is Jay Lethal. Daniels is one a lot of people name but I think he is one of those overated/underated guys. His marks (and there are plenty among tna fans) exaggerate his all-around abilities while at the moment the way he is being used is odd since his in-ring abilities could really help build guys up if they did not keep burying him.

If TNA is WCW 2.0 then ECW 2.0 is what won the original monday night wars.
 
I have been watching a lot of TNA lately and my complaint is that I don't see more of Mr.Anderson.He is getting a push and while he gets his push I think he should be given lots of air time to air his character and get over.He is not the best in thw orld at wrestling but just as The Rock is,he can get fans riled.
 
The biggest problem with TNA isn't the booking, even if lately it sucked, it'S not the talent, and it not even the IMPACT Zone. The biggest problem TNA as right now is the marketing department. They don't know how to market their product.

Just take for exemple Coke and Pepsi. Let's say Coke is the WWE and PEpsi is TNA. For years peoples were drinking coke because they liked how it taste. Coke was the only game in town as far as soft drinks were concern, then here come Pepsi, the new kid on the block who's trying to make a place for himself in the soft drink business. So what do they do, the advertise, put ads in the paper, have commercial on the radio and t.v. and peoples start noticing them and want to try it. If Pepsi would have said, we are not going to advertise are product and we will put our product on the shelves and let the peoples decide if they still want to drink coke or if they want to try us, they would have been out of business in a year or 2 because nobody would have care or known about it.

This is the same thing that's going on with TNA right now, they don'T advertise anything. Last week they had the return of Sting, RVD and Jeff HArdy, yet none of these big name start were advertise anywere, not even on Spike T.V. Instead they decided to keep them a surprises and hope that peoples would tune in to see the surprises and it didn't work because you had nothing to keep them watching.

TNA is a small company and for a company to grow, you need to advertise your product on all medias and not just on wrestling websites and social communities like facebook and Twitter. All the casual wrestling fans don't go on wrestling site anymore and as far as FAcebook and twitter are concern, if you think the casual wrestling fan will go on these sites just to know what'S going on with a product they don't know anything about, you are crazy. TNA need to stop thinking that because their product is better then fans will magically tune in on monday nights to watch it because that not how the business world works. You got to promote your show and not just during the replays of the show but every time they got a chance on Spike T.V. If they can promote their program in newspapers and on t.v. on other networks then do it but until they realise that they need to spend money on marketing instead of hoping that the next big surprise will bring them new fans, they will fail and the ratings will go down until nobody cares to watch them anymore.
 
not a real complaint but,

TNA is what me brought back to wrestling a few years ago (and that says something since I'm from overseas), I loved the 6 sided ring.

I think AJ "heel" Styles would work way better with a guy like Hardy,RVD as the face instead of a "monster" Abyss. It would definatly help AJ styles heelness as well as overall popularity of TNA if both of them could put up 5 star matches on a regular basis.
 
Their latest PPV last night, had a Hogan intro, and finished with Hogan in the ring......

On an X Division PPV. Does nobody have the balls to tell this bald fuck he doesn't draw anymore? Does nobody have the guts to tell Hogan you need to get your ass off camera cause your actually LOSING fans?

Everything good thing comes to an end. Hulkamania is dead. Bobby Heenan would be so proud
 
I think TNA biggest problem is, is getting long term commitment from wrestlers. They are making them look like a small time company by offering wrestlers 1 year contracts or a trial basis contract as they did with Nasty Boys. Now what if a wrestler gets into a good fued with a wrestler a week or two after they come into a company...then the star is gone and a week later shows up in ROH or WWE?. It looks like TNA doesn't has a grasp on things. It's like TNA is J.R. High school wrestling and WWE is the big league. Don't get me wrong. I love Tna and I hope they do well. I just hate how wrestlers come and go every week. They need to work on better contracts, not just for the headliners but for everyone who joins.
 
It is not even in the top twenty problems of TNA. Booking, production, advertising, marketing, local promotion all rank far, far higher.

Talents havent been a problem for TNA while ratings and financials have.
 

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