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Should amputations not occur in war movies? Those are pretty life-altering.
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What about a back injury? Spinal injuries frequently never heal and can lead to full body paralysis. What about the ten thousand moves in professional wrestling that involve dropping an opponent on his head, you know, simulating the way one would become concussed? Are all of those in poor taste as well?
No more punches to the face, brainbusters, weapon shots or anything else targeting the head?
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Selective kayfabe always leads to such nonsense.
Those stunners Stone Cold does are disgraceful. Can you believe a company lets him cut the oxygen off to these guys brains for a little bit?
Those stunners Stone Cold does are disgraceful. Can you believe a company lets him cut the oxygen off to these guys brains for a little bit?
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I'll even give you guys a much better scenario since clearly no one is getting it. Have the injury be to Storm's right leg somehow. Have it so his ankle is broken and he can't really walk on it. This is his last call leg so he can't hit his finisher but out of pride and anger, he goes out to compete anyway. He looks heroic as opposed to stupid for coming out with a head injury, and when he loses, you feel bad for him and want him to get a fair shake. In this instance, you don't feel that at all.
You do a leg injury and it makes sense and has taste. Much better than this garbage that they pulled. The only thing you are going to say is "the head injury made him forget who did it". So have it be a sneak attack with a mask on. How hard is that?
You do a leg injury and it makes sense and has taste. Much better than this garbage that they pulled. The only thing you are going to say is "the head injury made him forget who did it". So have it be a sneak attack with a mask on. How hard is that?
Money in the Bank cash-ins must be pretty damn heinous as well. Especially the inicial one that had Cena in a similar bloody heap. Which reminds me. Reports say Storm has a concussion. Not mentioned on TV though.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
When any of those happen, does the wrestler sell concussion symptoms? Exactly. Storm did and those don't. MAJOR difference.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
You can't possibly be as stupid as you are sounding, can you?
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
That meeting with doctors backstage was pretty clear about it being a concussion without saying it was a concussion. Dizziness, sickness, loss of consciousness for a period of time. That's a concussion and a 1st grader could identify it.
So deliberately trying to give someone a concussion is fine and in perfect taste, just as long as you're unsuccessful.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Why are all the shows on tv where people routinely "sell" being murdered so much less disgraceful than this again?
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I've explained it literally 10 times. The fact that you can't read or just are choosing not to isn't my problem anymore.
Concussions and head injuries are not something for a wrestling angle, especially given the history of real ones in the business. Every sport in the world is taking an incredibly hard stance on concussions, making guys pass more tests than ever to even get back on a practice field, yet it's perfectly ok to show a wrestler going to the ring MINUTES after having a concussion? Do you honestly thing that's a tasteful thing to do? Please tell me you don't. I mean I know some wrestling fans are bloodthirsty mongrels but come on.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
Keep thinking of examples that have no validity and I'll keep calling you stupid because all you are doing is trying to get me to say "well done TNA". I will do that for many of the other segments on this show, but this story........absolutely not.
Quite a decent show outside of this crap though. Lots of other good stuff. This is just not right though and your dumb examples that mean nothing aren't going to sell me on your warped point of view.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Why do you insist on claiming a wrestling show directly parallels real life?
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Bobby Roode was great tonight. Probably the best promo I've seen from him. Bobby vs. Storm is the most interesting story they've run in a long, long time.
Is the Jersey Shore shit done and over with? I'm usually not one to complain about celebrity (if that's what that bum is) appearances, but that was awful. I think the Jersey Shore women were more entertaining.
Is the Jersey Shore shit done and over with? I'm usually not one to complain about celebrity (if that's what that bum is) appearances, but that was awful. I think the Jersey Shore women were more entertaining.
When the hell did TNA mention the concussion? Given the source was Storms Twitter and how peaceful he made it sound, I'm inclined to think it was real and this was the write off.
Nobody mentioned he had a concussion.
Nobody mentioned he had a concussion.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I know you are trying to be semantical to make your point, but you aren't doing well. You are a smart dude, but this is a stupid argument. A guy went to the ring clearly with a concussion. That's way different than a move possibly simulating a blow to the head and if you don't see why, you're either being naive or you are being deliberately argumentative. I'm fine with either but you aren't going to get me to relent on this one.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
Again, watch the segment in the back. The word concussion isn't used but the symptoms are there. A 1st grader could identify this. Come on dude.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
Because TNA insists on telling us it's real? Honestly, I can argue with Gelgarin and Killjoy because they have brains. Get one and we'll talk.
Oh fuck off. I am so sick of people to whom the idea of being wrong is so alien that they chose to believe that the entire rest of the planet is deliberately deluding itself rather than considering for thirty seconds that they might be in the wrong.
There are half a dozen people in the this discussion and nobody thinks you're making any sense. But rather than consider that you might either be wrong, or incapable of properly articulating your view point, everybody else must be either illiterate of being deliberately contrary. Get a clue.
And to counter your argument, for the final time, it is not real, it is a work of fiction, a story, make believe, NOT REAL. You are quite happy to watch people getting pretend murdered for your viewing pleasure, but anyone who watches something with a pretend concussion is a bloodthirsty mongrel. You sir are either deluded or a fucking hypocrite.
James Bond pretends to be real. Every film ever made pretends to be real. That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
When did TNA say they were real? It is a TV show dude. If you want to personally have some issue with this, no one can stop you. However, the idea that your pet peeve is some universal truth is simply ridiculous.
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JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I'm neither, but at least I have a leg to stand on. The ONLY argument you are giving me is that it's "not real", yet we are talking about a show that really does put people out in a ring to compete. We are talking about a show that prides itself on being reality based and this is one of the things that makes you feel like "it's real". Still, that's not all that important. The point is that concussions have become such a major issue over the past few years, so to use a fake one as a catalyst for a story isn't so great to begin with. Then, you take a guy with one and put him in a ring? On top of that, one of you guys said that this could be the "write off" and he might have a real one? So that would mean that TNA really did put a man in a ring WITH A REAL CONCUSSION just to write him off? That's more stupid than the kayfabe version!
All I'm saying is that in 2011, concussions are a sensitive subject, especially in wrestling. Teams are criticized in all sports if athletes are rushed back into action with concussions, yet it's ok to show a guy competing with one minutes after sustaining it? It's sending the wrong message regardless of whether it's fictional or not.
And I don't put stock in the "strength in numbers" argument when your army isn't strong. There are a lot more Palestinians in the Middle East that believe strapping a bomb to themselves and blowing themselves up is the way to obtain peace. Does that mean they are right because there are clearly more of them than those who oppose them?