How much does CM Punk HATE The Rock!

[KingHill]

We all know the grudge between CM Punk and The Rock.

And that CM Punk tried to look like the bigger man after and saying "yee I dont have problems with Dwayne anymore" and try to sucking it up becuase The Rock fans were hating on CM Punk so much.

But if you do a SHOOT like this in a wrestling ring - boy you got issues and grudge.

Is CM Punk right here about The Rock?

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[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

CM Punk is one of those guys that you'd label as "mid-card 4 life", remember when he told Jericho "You were never really "the man" like I'm "the man" right now, were you?".
I think I cried out of laughter when he said that.

He was champ for over a year yet he couldn't main event a PPV if he wasn't working with Cena / if Cena wasn't injured.

He tarnished the WWE championship and it's prestige just like he did with the WHC in 2008.

CM Punk says all these words out of pure jealousy.

The Rock is a bigger draw than CM Punk, cm punk knows that as long as The Rock is on the card, he'll NEVER main event WrestleMania.


Rock already explained what he meant when he said he's coming back, I can't believe how ret@rded WWE fans are, he got injured in both WM matches performing for WWE fans and in return he got a BS chant, why should he come back again?

He's the highest grossing actor in 2013, why should he come back to WWE? For ungrateful fans who turn on him in a second? He should leave Hollywood and money for injuries and people that boo him?

You Rock haters are so pathetic.

-When Rock is in WWE: GTFO out of WWE, stop stealing the spotlight from young talents.
You can't wrestle rock, all your promos suck.

-When Rock isn't in WWE: Aaaaah you said you were never leaving again and now you left again , ROCKY SUCKS.


SMH.


In 2013, Rock's movie GI Joe release date was postponed, it was scheduled to be in the summer of 2012 but it got postponed to early 2013.
WWE had already planned for Rock-Cena II at WM29, Rock couldn't do anything so he was stuck in both jobs.
That's why he wasn't able to show up to all RAWs.

The guy saw that when he's not going to give the WWE fans 100%, they're going to boo him so he decided to keep his return to when he'll be able to give it a 100%, that's why he won't be at WMXXX. I don't understand what's wrong with that.


When Rock said he was never ever going away, he meant he'll still be part of the WWE family, from 2004 to 2011 Rock was rarely mentioned on WWE TV.

But in 2013, he came back, won the WWE Championship, unveiled a new WWE title, main evented WrestleMania, when he wasn't there they showed the WWE 2K14 cover which had The Rock on it, they had The Rock win a Slammy.

The Rock is part of the WWE family, that's what he meant, I'm ok with him being a part timer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-8ARolUybU

 

[THTRobtaylor]

You need to have some context as this was a LOOONG time ago now during the "Summer of Punk".

At the end of the day, Punk had a point at the time although Rock then stuck around for 3 years on and off, ironically those 3 years were "supposed" to be Punk's golden years. He'd staked his rep and his career on holding Vince up when his contract expired right around the time of this promo and the downside of Rock being back was that Dwayne stole that thunder from Punk or even that he was Vince's "FU" to Punk, the move designed to cut him down.

I'm pretty sure that Punk and Rock had a man to man conversation about the issues and that ultimately is where Punk now says he no longer has a problem with him specifically.

When Punk said these things, Rock had only guest hosted Mania... he was around for a good portion of the next 2 years so to an extent he did live up to his "never leaving again". Whether Punk still feels that is a different issue as Brock, Jericho and now Batista have all returned on "sweetheart deals" since Rock and taken his "spot" at various points.

Right now Punk is pretty much done in WWE that much is clear - his deal will be up around the middle of the year and he won't get what he got last time, he won't be able to hold Vince up the same way again and ultimately I would guess he'll spend at least some time away or use what he has got to buy into somewhere like ROH. Punk has always struck me as the type who would put his money where his mouth was when the right opportunity came and with AJ Styles now headed to ROH, 2014 could be the year we see that happen for him. It'll be interesting to see if another more vitriolic pipe bomb is dropped this time. It won't be aimed at Dwayne...

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's hard sometimes to tell when Punk is just staying in character and when he's not. In various media interviews, such as going on radio talk shows sometimes to promote upcoming WWE events or answering questions at Comic-Con and depending on whether he's a babyface or a heel, Punk comes off sometimes as a laid back & easy going kinda guy or as a cocky smartass.

In real life, at least based on various reports, Punk is someone that enjoys baiting people he doesn't like and thrives on confrontation. I don't know if it's true or not, it's just the word that's out. Punk's also someone that's never been shy about stating his opinion on something. For instance, if he doesn't agree with a decision that's been made by WWE on something, he'll voice that opinion. He won't go on a tirade trashing the company up & down, but he'll certainly make his feelings known regardless of the consequences. In that clip above, the fact that both Punk & Cena "shoot" on The Rock is a strong indicator that now only did WWE officials know about it in advance, but they were perfectly fine with it. After all, Cena said some stuff that was pretty similar during the build to his first feud with The Rock. However, if Punk really took a notion to go off on The Rock in an unscripted shoot at a live event, I've little doubt he'd do so.

Here we are now, however, on the first day of 2014 and people aren't nearly as enchanted with The Rock as they were at this exact same time last year. Since the post WM 29 Raw, the few times The Rock's name has been referenced or mentioned have resulted in a GREATLY reduced level of cheers. When Punk referenced The Rock in his promo this past Monday on Raw, you heard a few cheers, you could hear some more boos while the rest the fans didn't pop either way. The Rock's a major star and that's always good for business, but a whole lot of fans aren't worshiping him as they once did because they've finally seen through the illusion.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

CM Punk is one of those guys that you'd label as "mid-card 4 life", remember when he told Jericho "You were never really "the man" like I'm "the man" right now, were you?".
I think I cried out of laughter when he said that.

He was champ for over a year yet he couldn't main event a PPV if he wasn't working with Cena / if Cena wasn't injured.

He tarnished the WWE championship and it's prestige just like he did with the WHC in 2008.

CM Punk says all these words out of pure jealousy.

The Rock is a bigger draw than CM Punk, cm punk knows that as long as The Rock is on the card, he'll NEVER main event WrestleMania.


Rock already explained what he meant when he said he's coming back, I can't believe how ret@rded WWE fans are, he got injured in both WM matches performing for WWE fans and in return he got a BS chant, why should he come back again?

He's the highest grossing actor in 2013, why should he come back to WWE? For ungrateful fans who turn on him in a second? He should leave Hollywood and money for injuries and people that boo him?

You Rock haters are so pathetic.

-When Rock is in WWE: GTFO out of WWE, stop stealing the spotlight from young talents.
You can't wrestle rock, all your promos suck.

-When Rock isn't in WWE: Aaaaah you said you were never leaving again and now you left again , ROCKY SUCKS.


SMH.


In 2013, Rock's movie GI Joe release date was postponed, it was scheduled to be in the summer of 2012 but it got postponed to early 2013.
WWE had already planned for Rock-Cena II at WM29, Rock couldn't do anything so he was stuck in both jobs.
That's why he wasn't able to show up to all RAWs.

The guy saw that when he's not going to give the WWE fans 100%, they're going to boo him so he decided to keep his return to when he'll be able to give it a 100%, that's why he won't be at WMXXX. I don't understand what's wrong with that.


When Rock said he was never ever going away, he meant he'll still be part of the WWE family, from 2004 to 2011 Rock was rarely mentioned on WWE TV.

But in 2013, he came back, won the WWE Championship, unveiled a new WWE title, main evented WrestleMania, when he wasn't there they showed the WWE 2K14 cover which had The Rock on it, they had The Rock win a Slammy.

The Rock is part of the WWE family, that's what he meant, I'm ok with him being a part timer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-8ARolUybU

Why did the Rock come back then? For the fans? No. He wouldn't hog the Wrestlemania twice for the fans. He did it to promote his movies. If he wanted to be clear with the fans, he could at least be honest about it. He didn't even put WWE over during his time as Champion. Vince licked Rocky's ass because the Rock is mainstream, and the Rock didn't live up to what Vince thought he would. He came in, promoted his movies, fed his ego, stole the spotlight and left. Everything he said about never leaving again was lies. How can you deny it? He didn't even appear on Raw after losing the WWE Title for christ sake!

Everything, and I mean, everything both Punk and Cena said in that promo were true. Love him or hate him, Cena is a workhorse. Backstage politics or not, he busts his ass every single day and night, no matter what, to offer entertainment to us. And guess what else, house show or not, intended or not, his match with Punk was and still is way bigger, more memorable, more important, better quality, more exciting, more more more than any of his two matches with the Rock.

And of course, here is Cm Punk. The guy that was mid-card for life in the WWE system. The guy who worked his ass off, the guy who proved every single night why he is one of the greatest. He had passion for wrestling that not many guys do. And he was never given an opportunity for 6 years and he still worked his ass off to try and grab that brass ring. Don't get me wrong, the Rock is one of the greatest of all time, and during his time in the AE, he very well deserves respect. BUT, it was easier to make a name for yourself, if you were a third generation star. Also the Rock was a big guy, so his way to get to the top was easier than Punk's, especially during a period where professional wrestling was cool.

The Rock is a great entertainer, but his comeback was bad. He should have stayed in Hollywood, because, like it or not, whatever he does, he gets critics, everyone does. Nobody enjoyed his run, apart from probably a couple of his segments. He came back, stole the championship from Punk, did nothing with it, and gave it to Cena before he left again. He paid his dues back in the way, he did nothing now to earn this opportunity, it's just Vince and his politics that thought the Rock would put WWE on main street again, but no, Rock didn't do that. The Rock came back and stole the opportunity from the guys who bust their asses off every night. Guys like Ziggler, guys like Bryan, Tyson Kidd, guys who only imagine of being given a chance.

This is why people hated the Rock. He stole the spotlight, undeservingly, for no reason and it wasn't entertaining. But hey, that is what fanboyism does to you. I was a big Rocky fan, because in the AE he was so damn entertaining, but his last run made me not like him anymore, because of the reasons stated above.

 

[KingHill]

CM Punk is one of those guys that you'd label as "mid-card 4 life", remember when he told Jericho "You were never really "the man" like I'm "the man" right now, were you?".
I think I cried out of laughter when he said that.

Do you got that segment or promo? Or was it a tweet?

I totally agree with your post.

I'm not a rock or cm punk mark. But I respect legends.

CM Punk for me is just another b-product from the PG Era, a man that screams charisma like a white wall.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Why did the Rock come back then? For the fans? No. He wouldn't hog the Wrestlemania twice for the fans. He did it to promote his movies. If he wanted to be clear with the fans, he could at least be honest about it. He didn't even put WWE over during his time as Champion. Vince licked Rocky's ass because the Rock is mainstream, and the Rock didn't live up to what Vince thought he would. He came in, promoted his movies, fed his ego, stole the spotlight and left. Everything he said about never leaving again was lies. How can you deny it? He didn't even appear on Raw after losing the WWE Title for christ sake!

Everything, and I mean, everything both Punk and Cena said in that promo were true. Love him or hate him, Cena is a workhorse. Backstage politics or not, he busts his ass every single day and night, no matter what, to offer entertainment to us. And guess what else, house show or not, intended or not, his match with Punk was and still is way bigger, more memorable, more important, better quality, more exciting, more more more than any of his two matches with the Rock.

And of course, here is Cm Punk. The guy that was mid-card for life in the WWE system. The guy who worked his ass off, the guy who proved every single night why he is one of the greatest. He had passion for wrestling that not many guys do. And he was never given an opportunity for 6 years and he still worked his ass off to try and grab that brass ring. Don't get me wrong, the Rock is one of the greatest of all time, and during his time in the AE, he very well deserves respect. BUT, it was easier to make a name for yourself, if you were a third generation star. Also the Rock was a big guy, so his way to get to the top was easier than Punk's, especially during a period where professional wrestling was cool.

The Rock is a great entertainer, but his comeback was bad. He should have stayed in Hollywood, because, like it or not, whatever he does, he gets critics, everyone does. Nobody enjoyed his run, apart from probably a couple of his segments. He came back, stole the championship from Punk, did nothing with it, and gave it to Cena before he left again. He paid his dues back in the way, he did nothing now to earn this opportunity, it's just Vince and his politics that thought the Rock would put WWE on main street again, but no, Rock didn't do that. The Rock came back and stole the opportunity from the guys who bust their asses off every night. Guys like Ziggler, guys like Bryan, Tyson Kidd, guys who only imagine of being given a chance.

This is why people hated the Rock. He stole the spotlight, undeservingly, for no reason and it wasn't entertaining. But hey, that is what fanboyism does to you. I was a big Rocky fan, because in the AE he was so damn entertaining, but his last run made me not like him anymore, because of the reasons stated above.

The Rock never promoted any of his movies. WWE plugged one or two of his movies sometimes, Rock himself never did that, nor does he need to.He came back because of his love for the wrestling business and the fans. Wrestlemania 27, 28, 29 all got over 1 million buys only because of The Rock. WWE needed The Rock more then he needed WWE. And Rock was "busting his ass" 14 years ago and was the reason the WWE still exists today for mid-carders like Punk etc.

"The guy who worked his ass off, the guy who proved every single night why he is one of the greatest. "

And you are calling him a fanboy? CM Punk is not one of the greatest and will never be. He is a mid-carder in a mediocre era. He would have been lower mid-card when the product was at its peak.

remember when he told Jericho "You were never really "the man" like I'm "the man" right now, were you?".

 

[chris21]

The Rock came back and stole the opportunity from the guys who bust their asses off every night. Guys like Ziggler, guys like Bryan, Tyson Kidd, guys who only imagine of being given a chance.

This is the issue I can't help but feel absolutely livid about. These guys aren't as good as the Rock, aren't as big as the Rock, can't draw like the Rock. He didn't steal the spotlight, he was given it by Vince because Vince knows the Rock will make the company money. Tyson Kidd won't, sorry but he won't.

They may 'bust' their asses off every night but they don't do anything with it. How many chances do these guys want? People forget the Rock also busted his ass every night once upon a time (still does in the movie industry btw) he hasn't always just walked in and grabbed the main event slots, he earned his status years a go. The Rock went to Vince and told him to give him a chance and he took it...even when the likes of HHH and HBK were trying to stop it, did that stop him? No it didn't.

I respect guys like Ziggler, guys like Bryan, Kidd etc...but they aren't the Rock and never will be. And hey the Rock may not have come back and turned up at every Raw, every Smackdown, every house show but considering the man earns millions of dollars a year from his day job, he did more than anyone could have expected of him. Sure some of his matches weren't amazing and his promos repeated themselves but hey guess what they were still better than 99% of the current rosters, says it all about the lot them to be honest.

As for the topic I doubt Punk has beef with Dwayne. Its all a work, normally is.

 

[The Eighties]

Thank You Jack-Hammer for a post that doesn't come off like a bad case of fanboyitis or bitterness from either side of the coin.

The hilarious thing about this is that promo is from two and a half years ago and Punk and Rock buried the hatchet later the same year. The funniest thing though is in the rush to defend their guy no one seems to have bothered much with the actual content of the promo, which if you actually watch is far more about Punk showing his respect for John Cena than it is about saying nasty things about Dwayne.

My 2 cents, let the childish pissing contest continue!

 

[Blade]

Okay, firstly let's acknowledge the fact that this video was from two and a half years ago, when Punk was still pissed off and before the Rock wrestled any matches. Let's put it in the context of two and a half years ago.

I don't see what the big deal is. CM Punk didn't say anything that was wrong or a lie. He said that the Rock is hardly ever around, which is true. He said that Rock said he was never leaving, which is true (even though very few people believed him when he said it). And he said that Cena shows up to work every day regardless of the conditions, which is true.

I don't really think it was a promo mocking the Rock at all, but more that it was mocking the fans who see the Rock as an infallible god while booing Cena. Cena says he loves WWE and he's proved it non-stop for over a decade. The Rock says he loves WWE but it's a lot harder to believe, especially when we don't know the specifics behind his deal with WWE.

Does the Rock love WWE? Yeah, probably. Did he return to WWE for more reason than just the fans? Yeah, probably. But when he says he loves WWE when he's standing across from someone like John Cena, it comes off as a bit weak.

Also, why are people butthurt over what Punk said when Cena has said many similar things to and about the Rock? I'm confused by the internet's sudden hatred for Punk.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Because the Internet know that Punk is the next to leave... and he won't be making any "promises" about comebacks... He could very realistically walk from the business come July this year and say "Fuck you, you shoulda supported me over Dwayne" to all those fanboys then I'd still be there...

It's almost like pre-emptive backlash, "let's get to hating on him now cos when he does go we're gonna hate him anyway...and he's bound to say something nasty about us on the way out..."

It's right that he was backing Cena up at that point, letting Dwayne and Vince in particular know that John was not the only one with those views and Punk was truly bulletproof at the time so he could say it and not have one scrap of blowback.

That's not the case now. His most recent backstage farrage was due to his "crazy chick" flipping out on his ex cos she used a term of endearment they'd obviously used in the past. "Punk took it wrong?" Hell no, he just got off on having a woman go into bat for him, because clearly no one in the back does (and seemingly the IWC) these days.

If you look at Youtube, there is a video of all Dwayne's returns... bar a 3 year period, he was making some kind of a appearance at least every 6 months. That period linked in with his transition to an A-list movie star. The guy did and even today has said he'll be back. Not for 30 - Paul Walker's death has put paid to that as they'll be stuck on Fast 7 reshoots but that he mentioned 31 as even a possibility is saying a lot.

Now if this thread had some of Ziggler's interviews on Cena and was discussing how much HE hate's John.. you might have something to really talk about.

 

[MCMG]

I'm sure Punk gets fairly annoyed at the opportunities The Rock gets. Punk is there every day and for the last three years and The Rock got to close the show at WM - Punk's dream.

I'm sure Punk appreciates what The Rock accomplished at his peak and he deserves he to get preferential treatment. That being said, I can't imagine it not pissing him off.

A lot of what Punk says is because he is in character and it's part of what makes him great. He attacked The Rock in his pipebomb and mentioned how him main-eventing Mania is an injustice. I can't imagine that it doesn't irritate him in real life but I'm sure he understands it. Does he hate The Rock? I doubt it but I'm sure he is somewhat envious or is indeed motivated by his success.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

After two and a half years some people are still talking about it. I guess Punk did something right.

I don't think Punk hates the Rock but he sees through his bullshit. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe that Dwayne came back for the fans. Dwayne came back because he got his pockets filled and got the WWE to promote things for him. Dwayne let it be known how he felt about wrestling when he totally ignored it for years.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

CM Punk is one of those guys that you'd label as "mid-card 4 life", remember when he told Jericho "You were never really "the man" like I'm "the man" right now, were you?".
I think I cried out of laughter when he said that. He was champ for over a year yet he couldn't main event a PPV if he wasn't working with Cena / if Cena wasn't injured.

Chris Jericho never held the WWE Championship for a year. So no, Jericho never did what Punk did. Jericho was never THE guy to hold the ball and run with it. Never even in the top two or three. CM Punk and John Cena ran the WWE from 2011 to 2013. This year Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton have been booked in close proximity to those two, so really there are four top guys at the moment. But for close to two years, CM Punk was as big, if not a bigger merch draw than John Cena. The non-Rumble, non-Mania PPVs Cena and Punk main evented had comparable ratings. Punk was hardly the clear #1 with Cena around, and he was never going to be. Much like The Rock was never truly THE ONLY GUY when Austin was around. Go take a look at the buyrate differences from when Austin worked the midcard, to when Austin was in the main event. Astronomical. The Rock shared in Austin's greatness, but wasn't ever the #1 guy until he left. But Punk was the #2, and would be #1 if John were to ever leave. Which is something Chris Jericho has never really done.

He tarnished the WWE championship and it's prestige just like he did with the WHC in 2008.

How did he tarnish the WWE Championship? Give me one solid, even remotely conceivable way CM Punk tarnished the WWE Championship. Was it holding the title as long as the EIGHT reigns before his combined? Was it defending the championship 28 times in a year? Was it giving guys like Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan a shot? Was it having the humility to LOSE THE TITLE TO THE FUCKING ROCK? Do you want to know who tarnished the prestige of the WWE Championship? It was The Rock. That's right, the guy who works one or two matches a year comes in, ends the longest reign of the modern era - over a guy who works 200+ dates a year - defends the title once in a pretty shitty rematch, and then drops it back to John Cena at WrestleMania. Lets not forget how he got that title match in the first place. He didnt' have to earn it, there was no #1 contenders match, and everyone else in line for a shot be damned. He just showed up, said he's fighting for the title in half a year, and then left. But that's all in the story. You can hardly blame him for that. Except that The Rock held that title for 70 days and defended it...once. And in that legendary 70 day reign, he showed up for television a handful of times to show off a brand new belt nobody ever got to see until it was off him.

I don't hate the Rock, but I hate people who pretend he's still anything more than a cash cow WWE can trot out every year to give them a decent buyrate. If Donald Trump could get in the ring, he'd be The Rock circa 2013.

I can't believe how ret@rded WWE fans are.

Yeah. Me neither.

He's the highest grossing actor in 2013, why should he come back to WWE? For ungrateful fans who turn on him in a second? He should leave Hollywood and money for injuries and people that boo him?You Rock haters are so pathetic.

No. He should stay in Hollywood. He should keep getting better at acting, and make better movies. That's what he should do. And if he wants to come back, he can come back and do a promo, or interact with somebody. Make the fans happy. I like the Rock, but putting the title on him was bullshit. And taking it OFF Punk to do so just made me hate WWE having anything to do with Dwayne in the future. The only guy he put over in coming back was himself. John Cena didn't gain anything from beating him. If anything, he just broke even going 1-1. It sends the message that "hey, it doesn't matter how hard you work to be on top, if a celebrity comes back you don't matter to us anymore." And it makes the roster look like shit. How many people did Punk beat in a year, yet he can't go over a movie star that's wrestled two matches since being back on TV? Hell, how many times to Punk beat Cena? It just makes the roster of ACTUAL wrestlers look weak.

I guess I have an old school mentality. I have a lot of respect for the guys that go out there and work 200 dates a year and put their bodies through hell for my entertainment. The Rock entertains me in different ways. I don't expect him to come back full time, nor should he. He's found success outside of the business and I'm beyond happy for him. But when he does come back, I think it's a slap in the face to guys like Punk and Cena when WWE bends over backwards and makes him the center of attention. At least when Batista comes back he'll be working a full time schedule. When Jericho is back, he works the house shows and goes out to meet the fans. These guys are pro wrestlers. Dwayne is a celebrity, and he should be treated as such. You don't put your titles on celebrities.

 

[James]

Boy were you at your computer for 2 years in a coma and you finally pressed the "post" button?

Well yeah it's been said that this is years old before Rocky started wrestling matches and just appearing. Punk is always one to push the limits to see how far he can go and/or get out of people.

This reality era is fooling you all but Punk is like an old grumpy man. He has some pull in the company(somewhat) so he's just saying what everyone is afraid to.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

After two and a half years some people are still talking about it. I guess Punk did something right.

I don't think Punk hates the Rock but he sees through his bullshit. I can't believe anyone is naive enough to believe that Dwayne came back for the fans. Dwayne came back because he got his pockets filled and got the WWE to promote things for him. Dwayne let it be known how he felt about wrestling when he totally ignored it for years.

You don't know what you're talking about bro.
Rock made $$$ in HWood waaay more than he does in the E.
Rock came back 80% for fans, 10% for da business and 5/5 for the money and movie promotions.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

Chris Jericho never held the WWE Championship for a year. So no, Jericho never did what Punk did. Jericho was never THE guy to hold the ball and run with it. Never even in the top two or three. CM Punk and John Cena ran the WWE from 2011 to 2013. This year Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton have been booked in close proximity to those two, so really there are four top guys at the moment. But for close to two years, CM Punk was as big, if not a bigger merch draw than John Cena. The non-Rumble, non-Mania PPVs Cena and Punk main evented had comparable ratings. Punk was hardly the clear #1 with Cena around, and he was never going to be. Much like The Rock was never truly THE ONLY GUY when Austin was around. Go take a look at the buyrate differences from when Austin worked the midcard, to when Austin was in the main event. Astronomical. The Rock shared in Austin's greatness, but wasn't ever the #1 guy until he left. But Punk was the #2, and would be #1 if John were to ever leave. Which is something Chris Jericho has never really done.

BS! YKnow why Jericho was never "the man" because when he was in his prime, he was filled with a talent of greatness, a HOF talent roster not the PG era, cm punk is a star in a very mediocre era to say the least, you don't have any good talents.
You have a good wrestlers no doubt but look at Road Dogg, the perfect example, he was a mid-carder in the AE but he was great at working the crowd, kids today can't do that anymore, they don't have that great personnality that AE wrestlers had, the roster is very very weak, you see a guy like Randy Orton, he's the top star right now, what is the best he can say? "I'm the greatest ever"? "I'm more of a man than anyone in this arena"? Really?
The wrestlers today are so boring, it's like the last 40 years of pro wrestling never happened, they are so lame and generic, all the innovations that the rock n wrestling era brought, the innovations that the AE brought, that's the best they can do?

You compare Cena/Punk to Austin/Rock? I say BS!
Punk isn't even close to Cena, there's no way you could make me believe Punk could take Cena's spot. Also, many people see Orton as #2 and not punk.

Austin was an equal to The Rock. Austin revolutionized wrestling but Rock took it to new heights.
You pretend as if Austin was in the driver seat and Rock was just there for the ride. That's BS.
I can say the same thing about nWo and austin.
Rock is the only person to be in the highest rated segment/match/episode in RAW history, he broke gates record set in 1999 set by Austin in 1998 and previously Hogan in 1987 then precedeed to break his own record in 2000.
Rock also sold out arenas in Japan and other countries in Asia, something SCSA was never able to do.
Rock surpassed Austin after 99, SCSA was supposed to turn heel in 99-00 and put over The Rock at WrestleMania 2000, he talked about it previously in an interview but he decided to go and do his surgery.
If you look from 1998 to 2002, Austin was going down while Rock was going up and that's because Stone Cold was the same gimmick and was stale, while Rock was able to refresh his act.
By 2002, Rock was by far the #1 guy while Austin was behind Hunter, Taker and even Hogan.
Austin was even paired in a tag team with Bradshaw before he left.
WWE wanted Rock vs Brock at SS and Austin was to put Lesnar over for Lesnar to look like a threat going on against the real #1 guy.
Also, Rock beat Austin at Survivor Series 2001 and Rock-Booker T for the WCW title main evented over Austin-Angle at SummerSlam 2001 which was for the WWF title.
Rock brought new viewers just like Austin brought new viewers, if not more.

How did he tarnish the WWE Championship? Give me one solid, even remotely conceivable way CM Punk tarnished the WWE Championship. Was it holding the title as long as the EIGHT reigns before his combined? Was it defending the championship 28 times in a year? Was it giving guys like Dolph Ziggler, Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan a shot? Was it having the humility to LOSE THE TITLE TO THE FUCKING ROCK? Do you want to know who tarnished the prestige of the WWE Championship? It was The Rock. That's right, the guy who works one or two matches a year comes in, ends the longest reign of the modern era - over a guy who works 200+ dates a year - defends the title once in a pretty shitty rematch, and then drops it back to John Cena at WrestleMania. Lets not forget how he got that title match in the first place. He didnt' have to earn it, there was no #1 contenders match, and everyone else in line for a shot be damned. He just showed up, said he's fighting for the title in half a year, and then left. But that's all in the story. You can hardly blame him for that. Except that The Rock held that title for 70 days and defended it...once. And in that legendary 70 day reign, he showed up for television a handful of times to show off a brand new belt nobody ever got to see until it was off him.

I don't hate the Rock, but I hate people who pretend he's still anything more than a cash cow WWE can trot out every year to give them a decent buyrate. If Donald Trump could get in the ring, he'd be The Rock circa 2013.

Your whole logic is wrong, with all due respect.

Rock didn't really win the WWE title, he was just a transitional champion because WWE wanted Cena to win the WWE title from The Rock.

The Rock was the WHOLE and ONLY reason Punk held the title for so long, don't even try to counter that argument, even the markest of cm punk marks will admit that, so let's stop with the whole ROCK ENDED LONGEST REIGN argument.

He tarnished the title because he was a mid-carder during the whole reign, simple as that. Also, TLC 2012 was the first PPV since No Way Out 2007 which didn't feature a WWE title match.

No. He should stay in Hollywood. He should keep getting better at acting, and make better movies. That's what he should do. And if he wants to come back, he can come back and do a promo, or interact with somebody. Make the fans happy. I like the Rock, but putting the title on him was bullshit. And taking it OFF Punk to do so just made me hate WWE having anything to do with Dwayne in the future. The only guy he put over in coming back was himself. John Cena didn't gain anything from beating him. If anything, he just broke even going 1-1. It sends the message that "hey, it doesn't matter how hard you work to be on top, if a celebrity comes back you don't matter to us anymore." And it makes the roster look like shit. How many people did Punk beat in a year, yet he can't go over a movie star that's wrestled two matches since being back on TV? Hell, how many times to Punk beat Cena? It just makes the roster of ACTUAL wrestlers look weak.
I guess I have an old school mentality. I have a lot of respect for the guys that go out there and work 200 dates a year and put their bodies through hell for my entertainment. The Rock entertains me in different ways. I don't expect him to come back full time, nor should he. He's found success outside of the business and I'm beyond happy for him. But when he does come back, I think it's a slap in the face to guys like Punk and Cena when WWE bends over backwards and makes him the center of attention. At least when Batista comes back he'll be working a full time schedule. When Jericho is back, he works the house shows and goes out to meet the fans. These guys are pro wrestlers. Dwayne is a celebrity, and he should be treated as such. You don't put your titles on celebrities.

Again, the only reason punk held the title for so long was coz of the rock and rock only held it coz wwe wanted rock-cena II for the title, wwe calls the shot, rock goes with it, not rock's fault.
Rock is a professional, he has no problem putting people over , wwe wanted him to put over cena, he said yes.

Lesnar is a part timer, doesn't work house shows yet he also beat Punk, your argument is invalid. Taker is a 48 year old man yet he beat punk, Rock is arguably the G.O.A.T. of wrestling.
Nothing wrong with him going over cena and punk

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Well, since I'm apparently not allowed to "counter that argument", back to the point.

That video came at a point where it was really difficult to tell what was Phil Brooks the person, and CM Punk the wrestling character. And it's not our right to know what's going on with Phil Brooks. Whether or not he believed everything he said on the mic or not, that's besides the point. Even if 10 years from now, Punk came out and did an RF Video shoot and spoke freely on the whole issue, it'd be hard to tell where the line between reality and fiction ends and begins.

If I were CM Punk, I would have had an issue with The Rock being given the WrestleMania main event. I mean, imagine you spend all year kicking ass at your job. You make a bunch of money for your company, you stay after work and come in early, and kill yourself each and every day to get that promotion at the end of the year. But when the end of the year comes, your company decides to hire outside its bubble instead of rewarding you for all your hard work. And if you really want to get technical with this metaphor, at the end of the year you actually have to get demoted and take a pay cut so your company can reward this new guy that doesn't have the trust, respect or dedication of you or all your co-workers.

It's not a perfect metaphor, but I can understand why Punk would be pissed off at Rock coming back.

 

[tvcolosi]

CM Punk is likely the closest thing to old school kayfabe in the biz right now... Look at the respect his peers have for him;

Rock worked only 5 matches in this comeback.
the glorified squash vs Miz and RTruth
the 2 with Cena
and 2 with Punk.

I know they needed to put the title on Rock, but if there was legit heat no chance in hell they do the 1 on 1 rematch with how much money Rock makes per appearance.

On that same line of thinking...Taker has worked 6 matches in 3 years.
the second match vs HBK (best wrestler ever)
2 MOTYC vs HHH (one of the best this generation)
a 6 minute TV match vs Ambrose
the 6 man in England where he was in the match for 45 seconds
And the MOTYC with Punk...

Not to mention Jericho and Lesnar working with him too.

Think about that for a second.. there are 4 go to legacy stars WWE uses, and Punk worked them all in the first 8 months of 2013 and he took 6 weeks off! Not WWE's cookie cutters like Cena, Orton, Shemus etc...
So with all due respect, I think Punk did a great job fooling you, which is his desired outcome...

Punk is one of, if not the most respected guys in that locker room.

 

[Da Solo]

I love CM Punk - I really do - but he has propensity to be a real douche. Mind you, this is a 2 year old video, and we all knew already that he pretty much hated Rock 2 years ago because of Rock/Cena usurping Punk. They made up obviously (They tweet each other at times, Punk introduced a Rock promo at one point and gave up the title to him twice, Rock tweeted a photo with a Punk shirt on). Regardless, Punk was just salty. We just chose to look past that because it was the Summer of Punk.

Ever since the pipe bomb, Punk promos are HEAVILY dependent on shoots. Barring his SES years, every memorable Punk moment on the mic involves him breaking the 4th wall and saying something about backstage stuff so the crowd can go "ooh! Can he say that?" Both Cena and Rock called him on it kayfabe already. More than anything, that's why it's hard to tell if his douche moments are from CM Punk or Phil Brooks.

So who the hell cares anyway? I don't see why Punk should feel some type of way because possibly the greatest superstar Vince ever came across comes back to help out buyrates that affect Punk's own payday. Side note: Rock doesn't need WWE. He came back for the fans and to return to his roots. Anyone who says its for the money needs to go google the man's net worth and shut up. If another superstar wants that spot, they can't whine and bitch. They have to work and go take it, like Punk admittedly did throughout 2011 and 2012 (even though he bitched 99% of the way) and like Bryan did. Why wasn't Bryan mad? He's just as good a wrestler as Punk, if not better, and came in with hella indie hype. You didn't hear him complain about losing to the Barrett's and Sin Cara's. No, he worked his ass off and got his spot. So Punk doesn't have my sympathy in that regard.

You know who should be mad? R-Truth. Yes, I said R-Truth. Why? Before the Summer of Punk, there was something great happening in the R-Truth heel turn, where he was literally the reason for lots of fans tuning in every night, just to see what crazy bullshit he does next. Fast forward, he gets a WWE title shot and ended with some garbage. So instead of carrying on his feud with Cena, he is instead moved out of the ME scene temporarily because someone decided to hold up the WWE for a title shot. So the Summer of Punk was really a hijacking job for Truth's spot. Now, I'm not mad at Punk. Hell, I applaud him for speaking his mind and getting what he wants, but how the hell is he gonna be mad at The Rock when he did A WORSE VERSION OF THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING TO TRUTH? Rock did no wrong to Punk, and while he admittedly does deserve a true WM main event one day, he'll get it. He still has time. Maybe WM 31.

 

[Loganity]

Punk is absolutely right about The Rock. Make no mistake Rock is one of the greatest but he should have never won the title off Punk. Punk has earned a main-event spot, The Rock comes back & goes straight to the front of the line. Yes it's a two year old video, but everything he said is just as true today, if not more so. By the time WM 31 comes around it will be two years since we've seen The Rock & yet if he manages to squeeze WWE into his schedule by then I'm sure he'll get another main-event.

When/if Rock comes back he should put Punk over, because at this point Punk is the better wrestler and I think he's just as good on the mic. The Rock loves the business/ fans so much, yet he can't find time to comeback fpr WM30? How about some sort of appearance Monday? Even if it had to be via satellite? Punk's a legend in his own right who should main event WM 30. The fact is The Rock has lost his passion for wrestling, and whether he likes or not it's the reason he originally became famous. The Rock is great, originally it was great to see him back, but I've lost respect for him.

 

[Da Solo]

Punk is absolutely right about The Rock. Make no mistake Rock is one of the greatest but he should have never won the title off Punk. Punk has earned a main-event spot, The Rock comes back & goes straight to the front of the line.

Rock has paid dues just like CM Punk did. Only difference is he paid them a few years earlier, i.e. the Attitude Era. And when your presence sends WM buyrates into record breaking territory, you damn well earned your spot. And he beat Cena. #1 Contender much?

Yes it's a two year old video, but everything he said is just as true today, if not more so. By the time WM 31 comes around it will be two years since we've seen The Rock & yet if he manages to squeeze WWE into his schedule by then I'm sure he'll get another main-event.

They already said it was supposed to be Rock/Brock. Two part timers, meaning no full timer is at risk. And no title is involved, the full timers get that too. How can you possibly be mad at that?

When/if Rock comes back he should put Punk over, because at this point Punk is the better wrestler

Well yeah, but Punk has been wrestling for how many years straight while Rock had a 7 year sabbatical from in-ring action, as well as putting on tons of mass. It's already hard enough for big guys to craft a wrestling style that fits them and entertains, but Rock also has to adjust the same way PLUS adapt his moves from when he was smaller to make them work with his current size. Punk is a great wrestler in the ring - overrated, but great.

and I think he's just as good on the mic.

Negative. Punk can't do anything memorable on the stick without shooting and breaking the 4th Wall. Rock can make the crowd chant something as ******ed as "cookiepuss".

The Rock loves the business/ fans so much, yet he can't find time to comeback for WM30?

He's contractually obligated to do his movie promotion and other miscellaneous things surrounding it. Rock loves the business, and he doesn't have to put himself in legal drama to prove it. He already risked himself by finishing the match with Cena immediately after tearing his ab to shit, but no. Think: he could've called the ref, threw up the X and left everyone's money to hell so he could go make his money without missing a beat, but nope. Finished the match and raised Cena's hand.

How about some sort of appearance Monday?

CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. The man has a schedule outside of wrestling, get over it. If he appeared out of random like that, you'd accuse him of hogging even more spotlight.

Even if it had to be via satellite?

You'd bitch about him not really being there, then complain that his promo is useless since he has no story, then whine that Tyson Kidd doesn't get any matches.

Punk's a legend in his own right who should main event WM 30.

Legend? He should main event WM 30, but LEGEND?

The fact is The Rock has lost his passion for wrestling, and whether he likes or not it's the reason he originally became famous. The Rock is great, originally it was great to see him back, but I've lost respect for him.

If he lost passion for wrestling, he wouldn't have come back at all. The man is paid. He didn't have to do it. Why else would he come back? You lose respect for him but apparently respect Punk who not only left wrestling literally right after they gave him the title, but already stated he'll leave again for good before he turns 40 just because?

 

[DarksideEric]

Punk can't do anything memorable on the stick without shooting and breaking the 4th Wall. Rock can make the crowd chant something as ******ed as "cookiepuss".

This only suggests that Punk and Rock are good at two different versions of mic work, not that A is better than B.

Punk is good at shooting and being the Deadpool of WWE by 4th Wall breaking.

Rock has his sing-a-longs and catchphrases.

 

[Da Solo]

This only suggests that Punk and Rock are good at two different versions of mic work, not that A is better than B.

Punk is good at shooting and being the Deadpool of WWE by 4th Wall breaking.

Rock has his sing-a-longs and catchphrases.

But in the question of best mic workers, the best of them know HOW/WHEN to shoot. Cena can shoot, but he doesn't do it all the time and can do a good promo without it. Same with Rock, HBK, Jericho, HHH, etc. Shooting is a very delicate thing to use in character, and when its abused or used unnecessarily it loses its effect. Not saying Punk can't cut a good promo, because SES Punk did it like no other. But nowadays, the pipe bomb made him dependent on saying something from a dirtsheet, which stopped being cool already.

 

[Loganity]

Rock has paid dues just like CM Punk did. Only difference is he paid them a few years earlier, i.e. the Attitude Era. And when your presence sends WM buyrates into record breaking territory, you damn well earned your spot. And he beat Cena. #1 Contender much?



They already said it was supposed to be Rock/Brock. Two part timers, meaning no full timer is at risk. And no title is involved, the full timers get that too. How can you possibly be mad at that?



Well yeah, but Punk has been wrestling for how many years straight while Rock had a 7 year sabbatical from in-ring action, as well as putting on tons of mass. It's already hard enough for big guys to craft a wrestling style that fits them and entertains, but Rock also has to adjust the same way PLUS adapt his moves from when he was smaller to make them work with his current size. Punk is a great wrestler in the ring - overrated, but great.



Negative. Punk can't do anything memorable on the stick without shooting and breaking the 4th Wall. Rock can make the crowd chant something as ******ed as "cookiepuss".



He's contractually obligated to do his movie promotion and other miscellaneous things surrounding it. Rock loves the business, and he doesn't have to put himself in legal drama to prove it. He already risked himself by finishing the match with Cena immediately after tearing his ab to shit, but no. Think: he could've called the ref, threw up the X and left everyone's money to hell so he could go make his money without missing a beat, but nope. Finished the match and raised Cena's hand.



CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. The man has a schedule outside of wrestling, get over it. If he appeared out of random like that, you'd accuse him of hogging even more spotlight.



You'd bitch about him not really being there, then complain that his promo is useless since he has no story, then whine that Tyson Kidd doesn't get any matches.



Legend? He should main event WM 30, but LEGEND?



If he lost passion for wrestling, he wouldn't have come back at all. The man is paid. He didn't have to do it. Why else would he come back? You lose respect for him but apparently respect Punk who not only left wrestling literally right after they gave him the title, but already stated he'll leave again for good before he turns 40 just because?

First off, I'm not going to applaud him finishing a match after getting injured, that's what wrestlers do, it doesn't matter that he's an actor. He took that risk when he agreed to do the match, everyone that steps into the ring does the same thing. I have no problem with The Rock coming back with a match depending on the situation. Pretty much if he doesn't have the title I can deal. I think Punk is a better wrestler than Rock ever was, not just now. I get the man has a schedule that's why I said via satellite. The bulk of Old School Raw won't mean anything in the grand scheme, so no I wouldn't complain about it.

Last but not least, I respect Punk because he's honest. He's not giving anyone any false hope about "never leaving again" Yet Rock isn't going to be at the biggest show of the year. Unfortunately, Rock said what he said, he and everyone that defends him has to eat that statement. In my opinion he came back to appease, and I'm sure the money was good. No he doesn't need money, but how much money does anyone need? the answer is always more. Point is, no matter how much he may already have, money talks.