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I just got through watching the no mercy pay per view and was totally disgusted that they allowed Randy Orton to walk away with the title. Lots of action in the match but Randy Orton certainly does not deserve to be champion. How fast did Vince forget Randy was on that signature list to. This a champion that we are suppose to allow our children to watch. Frankly I will not allow my children or myself watch raw until Randy Orton loses the title.
theprogram4
Dark Match Jobber
this is entertainment, not the World Moral Values league. both HHH and Orton put on a great match and i am so happy orton won! mad props to both HHH and orton for so much stamina tonite. the punjabi prison match was pretty good, i gotta give Batista props for jumping from cage to cage. i actually thought Finlay was seriously hurt, im a sucker.
orton is champ!
I don't pretend to be the moral values league but I paid my money like everyone else and you are correct the match was a good one. But Randy Orton should not be given props for bad behavior. By the way my husband agrees with you and is happy with Randy Orton.
ImpactPlayer27
Pre-Show Stalwart
Okay. The whole thing of a guy winning the belt and then loing the same night is too Nitro for me and it's a really crappy move for them to do it on a PPV. I still have bad memories of Sting winning the belt from DDP and then losing it at the end of the night. And having Triple H wrestle 3 times in the same night, to me it was a rip-off of Kurt Angle wrestling 3 times in one night at the last TNA ppv. Once again, a PPV that I'm more than happy i didn't waste money on. The only satisfaction I'll get is if this means no more spinner belt.
curlerdude61
Dark Match Jobber
In my honest opinion Vince screwed up big time with the WWE title situation. Instead of creating some more main eventers he listened to HHH to put the title on him then Orton. The way I would have set it up would be some multi-superstar match with some of the main mid card guys like Jeff Hardy and Mr. Kennedy for example espescially when you hype them on your site as possiblities. This would make many more main eventers and truly beef up the locker room in that category. The WWE needs more main eveters since all are falling to injury.
The only other comment I have is about the punjabi prison match. The crowd seemed more into the womens match which was surprisingly good. And how short minded is Cole when Batista jumped the cages and said "I have never seen any thing like that" even though Taker did that in the last PPM.
Decent PPV but Vince and the WWE dropped the ball on the two major title matches ... sorry 4 major title matches (3 WWE and the 1 world title match)
The only other comment I have is about the punjabi prison match. The crowd seemed more into the womens match which was surprisingly good. And how short minded is Cole when Batista jumped the cages and said "I have never seen any thing like that" even though Taker did that in the last PPM.
Decent PPV but Vince and the WWE dropped the ball on the two major title matches ... sorry 4 major title matches (3 WWE and the 1 world title match)
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ntreadway
Guest
can anyone tell me what was on the latest saveus_222 promo? i remember someone sayin somethin about rev 22:2 but im not sure.
The most recent video actually flashed Revelation 22:12 which says:
12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
...sounds like another hint at a return to me, which we all knew all along.
I would just like to say, this is the first and probably last post i will ever make.I have been watching wrestling 20+years. I will admit wwe recently has sucked. But all you people who keep talking about how TNA is so great makes me sick. They have some good points, but very few. JUDAS MESSIAS lol. This is the first wwe ppv I thought was original and [pretty good in the last year+. Never saw it coming. Plus the imminent return of Y2J. I'm not saying there isn't much room for improvement, but all you TNA praisers are looking through rose colored glasses. P.S. I hope both succeed for the business + ROH which I also like.
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Cena Sucks
Guest
I think wwe made the decision to put the belt on Orton for these reasons:
1. To fued with Jericho, we all know Jericho is coming back, the question is when? So probably tomorrow night we will find out more. I mean, you can't turn Jericho heel, it wouldn't work, same with HHH.
So what they did was take the best heel on the raw roster to fued with the Most popular face on the roster, making the WWE rating go higher, smart decision IMO.
2. Randy has deserved the title for a while, he has the most talent, he is my favorite wrestler since he made his debut, he has the best mic skill in the WWE IMO.
He has pure wrestling talent, he has great mic skills, he has experiance with fueds and this will be a great match-up if WWE uses it to it's fullest potentional.
1. To fued with Jericho, we all know Jericho is coming back, the question is when? So probably tomorrow night we will find out more. I mean, you can't turn Jericho heel, it wouldn't work, same with HHH.
So what they did was take the best heel on the raw roster to fued with the Most popular face on the roster, making the WWE rating go higher, smart decision IMO.
2. Randy has deserved the title for a while, he has the most talent, he is my favorite wrestler since he made his debut, he has the best mic skill in the WWE IMO.
He has pure wrestling talent, he has great mic skills, he has experiance with fueds and this will be a great match-up if WWE uses it to it's fullest potentional.
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LisleGuy2001
Guest
I just got home from the PPV, and here's my thoughts:
1. Cena should be glad he got hurt - the crowd was craving Cena's blood. Chicago hates Cena. No way around it.
2. The crowd really thought Jericho was going to be there. I haven't seen it listed anywhere, but during the Last Man Standing match, the TitanTron and the video on the entrance ramp started to glitch, cutting to the "matrix-like" video of the Save_Us.222 promos.
3. CM Punk match was ridiculous. My section was pissed to see such a disservice to the hometown hero.
4. MVP vs Hardy eating pizza? What the hell? Can't we get a match? All that did was make the crowd hungry and go buy pizza.
5. The Punjabi Prison match is hard to watch live, seeing through the bamboo.
6. So it looks like it was the Night of HHH. Maybe WWE remembered the reaction of the crowd when he appeared during WM22?
7. Did I mention the crowd was dying for Y2J?
1. Cena should be glad he got hurt - the crowd was craving Cena's blood. Chicago hates Cena. No way around it.
2. The crowd really thought Jericho was going to be there. I haven't seen it listed anywhere, but during the Last Man Standing match, the TitanTron and the video on the entrance ramp started to glitch, cutting to the "matrix-like" video of the Save_Us.222 promos.
3. CM Punk match was ridiculous. My section was pissed to see such a disservice to the hometown hero.
4. MVP vs Hardy eating pizza? What the hell? Can't we get a match? All that did was make the crowd hungry and go buy pizza.
5. The Punjabi Prison match is hard to watch live, seeing through the bamboo.
6. So it looks like it was the Night of HHH. Maybe WWE remembered the reaction of the crowd when he appeared during WM22?
7. Did I mention the crowd was dying for Y2J?
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
I haven't been somewhat excited about WWE for awhile, but I seem to be right now. Get the belts off of Punk and Batista, and let's return to the one belt system. WWE needs a solid heel champ.
big bad brian
Dark Match Jobber
Randy Orton winning was great news tells ppl that triple h wont take over the company till HE feels ready, also punjabi match was better than I expected, the pizza contest was a get drunk break, and Candice vs Beth was a have a cold shower match,hahaha. well worth the cash for a change. p.s. JOHN SUKZ
Wow, thank god I didn't order that garbage. I don't care how good the matches were, it's a disgrace having Orton as the champ...too bad he didn't succeeed in his suicide attempt awhile back. He shouldn't have a job, he definitely should be suspended if he did have a job, and he's damn sure not World champ material. Never has been and never will be. He's crap on the mic and even worse in the ring. You complain about Cena's 5 moves of doom yet praise Orton and his three moves (being generous) of doom. He uses a sleeper hold more than any wrestler in WWE history, throws a few upper cuts, and hits a finisher that was made famous and executed better by somebody else. Oh, and occassionally he'll add in a (usually botched) punt to the head. Combine that with a guy who spent time in a military prison after going AWOL twice and disobeying a commanding officer, treats fans like shit, treats female wrestlers even worse, smokes weed backstage, and uses steroids, and what do you get? A WWE champion, apparently.
Tomorrow night will be the 750th episode of Raw...it'll be the first one I don't watch, and not the last. I'll check the Cyber Sunday results in three weeks to see if he lost, if not Survivor Series will be the first time I'll ever miss a Big 4 PPV. If he hasn't lost it by then, I imagine I'll be done with WWE altogether.
Tomorrow night will be the 750th episode of Raw...it'll be the first one I don't watch, and not the last. I'll check the Cyber Sunday results in three weeks to see if he lost, if not Survivor Series will be the first time I'll ever miss a Big 4 PPV. If he hasn't lost it by then, I imagine I'll be done with WWE altogether.
Ok so forgive me if I get this wrong and misinterprate what I've read.
Orton get's given the title at the beginning of the show?
Triple H then beats him for the title?
He then defeats Umaga?
Orton then defeats HHH for the title?
Which begs the question. Why put the title on HHH in the first place? That was like TNA's booking of the world title a few months ago. Angle wins the title. They take the title off Angle. Angle wins it back anyway. Pointless.
So Orton get's his title run. But doesn't look impressive in the process. Just one match between Orton & HHH would have been fine. The Last Man Standing match. Yeah Orton beat HHH. But he had to have a gimmick match to do it. And in HHH's third match. After he'd defeathed/squashed Umaga, then recieved a beat down. Possibly some of the most pointless booking of all tim. I take it back. I wish there had been a battle royal.
And Punk get's squashed by Viscera? I didn't expect any different. But that doesn't mean it should have happened.
Phoenix wins the titel. Great. Another Mickie James feud. Hopefully Jillian turns face so we can have something different.
The ''bonus'' matches always seem to be the ones worth watching. Weird.
Rey Mysterio vs. Finaly ends in a no contest? Why? Couldn't Rey have just won? It's Finaly for fuck's sake. He's in his 50's. He's supposed to put people over.
I dont care if the Punjabi Prison match is supposed to have sucked. I still want to see it.
Reading the report I think this looks like one of the worst shows in a long while. Weather it's different when you actually watch it I dont know. But some of the booking is mind boggling.
Orton get's given the title at the beginning of the show?
Triple H then beats him for the title?
He then defeats Umaga?
Orton then defeats HHH for the title?
Which begs the question. Why put the title on HHH in the first place? That was like TNA's booking of the world title a few months ago. Angle wins the title. They take the title off Angle. Angle wins it back anyway. Pointless.
So Orton get's his title run. But doesn't look impressive in the process. Just one match between Orton & HHH would have been fine. The Last Man Standing match. Yeah Orton beat HHH. But he had to have a gimmick match to do it. And in HHH's third match. After he'd defeathed/squashed Umaga, then recieved a beat down. Possibly some of the most pointless booking of all tim. I take it back. I wish there had been a battle royal.
And Punk get's squashed by Viscera? I didn't expect any different. But that doesn't mean it should have happened.
Phoenix wins the titel. Great. Another Mickie James feud. Hopefully Jillian turns face so we can have something different.
The ''bonus'' matches always seem to be the ones worth watching. Weird.
Rey Mysterio vs. Finaly ends in a no contest? Why? Couldn't Rey have just won? It's Finaly for fuck's sake. He's in his 50's. He's supposed to put people over.
I dont care if the Punjabi Prison match is supposed to have sucked. I still want to see it.
Reading the report I think this looks like one of the worst shows in a long while. Weather it's different when you actually watch it I dont know. But some of the booking is mind boggling.
I watched this match for free in a website, and this are my comments about this PPV:
- I feel sorry for CM Punk, his title match was just a squash, WWE didn't even care this PPV was done in his hometown and the people were really cheering for him. 1/5
- The food competition was a stupid filler, any match I think would've been better than this crap. 0/5
- WWE's Jericho ads backfired last night. Because almost everybody (including me) really thought he was going to be there. But again another dissapointment, 'cause he wasn't there.
- Women's Match stuff...... I don't watch their wrestling matches....(Unless is Talia Madison involved in it
... TNA)... anyways, 0/5
- I thought the Rey Mysterio vs Finlay match was OK. 2.5/5
- I really liked the World Title Match. Since this match was announced I was 100% positive it was going to suck, I was also pretty sure that nobody would climb anything (especially not Khali), and I thought there was going to be like the last Punjabi Prison where someone breaks the cage. But I was shocked with last night's performance, I was impressed. In my opinion, this is the best match these two can have,.... for a moment I thought Khali was going to win even until the very end of the match I was pretty sure khali was going to touch the floor first, and when He didn't was awesome, it was exciting. And also props to Batista for that jump from cage to cage, it was pretty cool. I'm starting to like Batista as a champion. 4/5
- Last Man Standing match for the WWE title. I hated the fact that Jericho did not show up, and Triple H got the title in the beginning of the PPV. However after seeing this match I was reaaly glad Triple H was involved, he is such a great wrestler and performer, made Orton look extra strong with a clean pin. Best match of the PPV. 5/5
I think WWE could've made this PPV a lot better, and I can see they hate CM Punk for some reason. Only because of the last two matches I give to the whole PPV a " C+ "
- I feel sorry for CM Punk, his title match was just a squash, WWE didn't even care this PPV was done in his hometown and the people were really cheering for him. 1/5
- The food competition was a stupid filler, any match I think would've been better than this crap. 0/5
- WWE's Jericho ads backfired last night. Because almost everybody (including me) really thought he was going to be there. But again another dissapointment, 'cause he wasn't there.
- Women's Match stuff...... I don't watch their wrestling matches....(Unless is Talia Madison involved in it
... TNA)... anyways, 0/5- I thought the Rey Mysterio vs Finlay match was OK. 2.5/5
- I really liked the World Title Match. Since this match was announced I was 100% positive it was going to suck, I was also pretty sure that nobody would climb anything (especially not Khali), and I thought there was going to be like the last Punjabi Prison where someone breaks the cage. But I was shocked with last night's performance, I was impressed. In my opinion, this is the best match these two can have,.... for a moment I thought Khali was going to win even until the very end of the match I was pretty sure khali was going to touch the floor first, and when He didn't was awesome, it was exciting. And also props to Batista for that jump from cage to cage, it was pretty cool. I'm starting to like Batista as a champion. 4/5
- Last Man Standing match for the WWE title. I hated the fact that Jericho did not show up, and Triple H got the title in the beginning of the PPV. However after seeing this match I was reaaly glad Triple H was involved, he is such a great wrestler and performer, made Orton look extra strong with a clean pin. Best match of the PPV. 5/5
I think WWE could've made this PPV a lot better, and I can see they hate CM Punk for some reason. Only because of the last two matches I give to the whole PPV a " C+ "
wasted my damn money on this crap of a PPV
it looked so unorginized and sloppy it just looked like WWE did not have enough Mainevent guys to come up with a worthy PPV card, WTF no Undertaker?
only reason why I ordered this PPV was because I thought Y2J was going to show up I should have known better it would have been way too soon, I will never order a WWE PPV event again unless it is one of the big ones
and I am happy that HHH lost we have seen him have his run it is Orton time let the young guys take over, I was tired of Cena but one thing he was, Durable, the 2-3 years he was champ he never got hurt much until now, HHH did put on a great show at No Mercy
hopefully WWE will push Orton, Mr Kennedy, Elijah Burke other guys like that instead of the same guys and fueds over and over
it looked so unorginized and sloppy it just looked like WWE did not have enough Mainevent guys to come up with a worthy PPV card, WTF no Undertaker?
only reason why I ordered this PPV was because I thought Y2J was going to show up I should have known better it would have been way too soon, I will never order a WWE PPV event again unless it is one of the big ones
and I am happy that HHH lost we have seen him have his run it is Orton time let the young guys take over, I was tired of Cena but one thing he was, Durable, the 2-3 years he was champ
he never got hurt much until now, HHH did put on a great show at No Mercyhopefully WWE will push Orton, Mr Kennedy, Elijah Burke other guys like that instead of the same guys and fueds over and over
I kinda thought it was ridiculous for anyone to think Y2J would show up and be shoved right in the mainevent on his return.I was impressed by the 3 WWE matches.It was kinda like the old Attitude days where crazy stuff would happen.I cant believe they cut Taker from the card though.He could have at least been put in another gimmick match with Mark Henry like Buried Alive or at least have made a post Batista/Khali promo.
As for the whole MVP/Matt Hardy promo: WTF dudes? I cant believe people are going around saying this is a quality feud.Its by far the worst program Matt's ever been in IMO.This "Odd Couple" angle's crap.
As for the whole MVP/Matt Hardy promo: WTF dudes? I cant believe people are going around saying this is a quality feud.Its by far the worst program Matt's ever been in IMO.This "Odd Couple" angle's crap.
Kennedythefuture
Dark Match Jobber
okay..
3 man tag- great match. but a desperate attempt to get kennedy on the card
MVP vs Matt- The most boring segment I've ever seen
The faking of the injury by Finlay- I loved
Khali's promo with his handler guy- Really awesome. I love his handler he's beginning to get over I dont want him to leave.. he's got some Paul Bearer like qualities.
Phoenix vs Candice- I love Phoenix. The best since Lita. Sucky match though.
Punk vs V- I knew that wasnt gonna end normally.. Striker's interference is completely inexplicable. They must've forgot to write that match or something.
HHH-Orton I- Horrible.. botches etc.
HHH- Orton II- Best ppv match I've seen in a long time
It's so damn nice to see Cena not with the belt and the title having meaning again and not spinning.
I didn't even see the Y2J promo once. I had changed the channel for a second after the Finlay match. I was more relieved when I saw that the promo did air but what the hell is the talk about Oct 7?
AND WHERE THE HELL WAS VAL VENIS?!?! lol
3 man tag- great match. but a desperate attempt to get kennedy on the card
MVP vs Matt- The most boring segment I've ever seen
The faking of the injury by Finlay- I loved
Khali's promo with his handler guy- Really awesome. I love his handler he's beginning to get over I dont want him to leave.. he's got some Paul Bearer like qualities.
Phoenix vs Candice- I love Phoenix. The best since Lita. Sucky match though.
Punk vs V- I knew that wasnt gonna end normally.. Striker's interference is completely inexplicable. They must've forgot to write that match or something.
HHH-Orton I- Horrible.. botches etc.
HHH- Orton II- Best ppv match I've seen in a long time
It's so damn nice to see Cena not with the belt and the title having meaning again and not spinning.
I didn't even see the Y2J promo once. I had changed the channel for a second after the Finlay match. I was more relieved when I saw that the promo did air but what the hell is the talk about Oct 7?
AND WHERE THE HELL WAS VAL VENIS?!?! lol
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cobain
Guest
opening
Orton being handed the title-It suprised me when Triple H came out at the begining. I thought Orton would just pick a squash match then someone come out and challenge for the title instead.
It didn't make sense for them to give him the title.
Finlay vs. Rey- This was a decent match, not ppv quality. I was disapointed that they had no winner in the end.
HHH vs. Umaga- I didn't think this was a very good match. It was too predicatable. THey were talking about HHH ribs after but to me it looked like he hurt his arm, I noticed it was wrapped up when he came out for his 3rd match.
Batista vs. Khali- this match seemed sloppy. i expected it to be more of a powerhouse showdown, it relly showed that you can't take two guys with minimal tlaent and put them together and expect a good match. The Batista jump was cool but that shouldn't have been the most exciting thing in the match.
Matt Hardy/MVP food challenge- it was a waste of time and MVP didn't seem to be doing well, there was no competition, however I like both of these guys so it was nice to see them do something.
Londrick/Jeff vs. Cade, Murdoch and Kennedy- This match was clearly just thrown together. It makes me think Kennedy could start an angle with Jeff. I like Londrick and Jeff so it was fun for me to watch. Not a PPV quality match though. Very much a filler.
Women's title-I was watching teh Bears/Packers game during most of this so I can't rate it. What I saw was decent though.
Last man standing match- I'm not a fan of wither HHH or Orton, however I do think this was the best match on the card. I would like to have seen a better ending than Orton not being able to put HHH through the table but it had it's good moments. I don't understand the point of Orton losing the title jsut to win it back again.
Cm Punk vs. Big Daddy V- I was disapointed with the DQ. It wasn't even a clever way to do it, just Striker getting in the ring and hitting Punk.
Vince seemed annoyed at the crowd for chanting Y2J.
I would like to have seen a new cruiserweight champion crowned.
overall I think this was a disapointing ppv.
three bad finishes (batista/khali rey/finaly punk/vis)
two pointless matches (hhh/orton 1st match londrick and hardy vs kennedy,cade and murdoch)
no chris jericho return
pontless title transfers
on a scale of 1 to 5 I would give the PPV a 1 1/2
Orton being handed the title-It suprised me when Triple H came out at the begining. I thought Orton would just pick a squash match then someone come out and challenge for the title instead.
It didn't make sense for them to give him the title.
Finlay vs. Rey- This was a decent match, not ppv quality. I was disapointed that they had no winner in the end.
HHH vs. Umaga- I didn't think this was a very good match. It was too predicatable. THey were talking about HHH ribs after but to me it looked like he hurt his arm, I noticed it was wrapped up when he came out for his 3rd match.
Batista vs. Khali- this match seemed sloppy. i expected it to be more of a powerhouse showdown, it relly showed that you can't take two guys with minimal tlaent and put them together and expect a good match. The Batista jump was cool but that shouldn't have been the most exciting thing in the match.
Matt Hardy/MVP food challenge- it was a waste of time and MVP didn't seem to be doing well, there was no competition, however I like both of these guys so it was nice to see them do something.
Londrick/Jeff vs. Cade, Murdoch and Kennedy- This match was clearly just thrown together. It makes me think Kennedy could start an angle with Jeff. I like Londrick and Jeff so it was fun for me to watch. Not a PPV quality match though. Very much a filler.
Women's title-I was watching teh Bears/Packers game during most of this so I can't rate it. What I saw was decent though.
Last man standing match- I'm not a fan of wither HHH or Orton, however I do think this was the best match on the card. I would like to have seen a better ending than Orton not being able to put HHH through the table but it had it's good moments. I don't understand the point of Orton losing the title jsut to win it back again.
Cm Punk vs. Big Daddy V- I was disapointed with the DQ. It wasn't even a clever way to do it, just Striker getting in the ring and hitting Punk.
Vince seemed annoyed at the crowd for chanting Y2J.
I would like to have seen a new cruiserweight champion crowned.
overall I think this was a disapointing ppv.
three bad finishes (batista/khali rey/finaly punk/vis)
two pointless matches (hhh/orton 1st match londrick and hardy vs kennedy,cade and murdoch)
no chris jericho return
pontless title transfers
on a scale of 1 to 5 I would give the PPV a 1 1/2
lets be honest we was all tired of Cena but boy he was missed badly this PPV you can just feel it and this entire PPV was all about HHH
is it me or is Candice like the only Diva that don't get any type of reaction from the crowed? I notice that ever since she became champ Phoenix is the total package though she seems to be good on the mic which is very rare for the Divas though, Mikki James has it as well not sure why they just stopped pushing her
anyway with all the injuries and suspensions Y2J is actually needed right now, I see the D. Lo Brown rumors also but WHY? it is not like he was any good when he was with the WWE last time
is it me or is Candice like the only Diva that don't get any type of reaction from the crowed? I notice that ever since she became champ Phoenix is the total package though she seems to be good on the mic which is very rare for the Divas though, Mikki James has it as well not sure why they just stopped pushing her
anyway with all the injuries and suspensions Y2J is actually needed right now, I see the D. Lo Brown rumors also but WHY? it is not like he was any good when he was with the WWE last time
underdog217
Dark Match Jobber
i love how multiple times McMahon mentioned multiple times how the night was about giving the people what they wanted and all they really wanted was Y2J and a good match out of Punk. or for khali and batista to impale themselves on the prison
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
A simple review is in order, but I thought I'd spice it up by adding some extra comments. Read on & see.. Big Will's "take" on No Mercy 2007.
Opening Segment: Going into the pay-per-view, noone knew who, or how for that matter, the W.W.E. Championship was going to be decided. Low & behold, we start off quickly with Mr. McMahon coming out & cutting a nice (time consuming) promo, that ultimately ends with Randy Orton being AWARDED?! the W.W.E. Championship.. this comes after McMahon says he's giving the fans what they want. (more on this later) So, this after more time consuming moments from Orton, triggers Triple H. to come out, issue a challenge & ultimately push McMahon into it.
W.W.E. Championship: Randy Orton v. Triple H.: Its one thing to 'award' the Championship, its a complete other to start the show with the main Championship on the line. Great, solid, opening match with Triple H. winning the Championship for the 11th time. The whole time this was happening, I honestly sat their watching, KNOWING it wouldn't end like this. This "match" (I say it, because noone knew what, or who, it was going to involve) was the ultimate build around the p.p.v.. no way it could end on the opening segment/match.
6 Man Tag Team Match: Jeff Hardy, Paul London & Brian Kendrick v. Mr. Kennedy, Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch: As far as filler matches go, I was pleasantly happy to see this. And going in, I was remembering how exciting the Monday Night match-up was. The up was that Kennedy was added, the down was that ultimately they could've had Championship matches & it shows how much they think (right now) of the mid-card Championships. So, did this match live up to the excitability & thrill that the first one did? For the most part, I say yes. There were a couple botched moves, & the ending was predictable, but overall.. it was better than most "filler" matches. The only problem I had, was the ending spots. It looks like everything suddenly rushed.. from Jeff Hardy missing his guardrail run, (which while I'm sure he meant to miss, still looked misqued) to Kendrick taking out Murdoch, & almost breaking his own neck.
E.C.W. Championship: C.M. Punk v. Big Daddy V: Going in I hoped this match wouldn't take long, as it had to be built as the worst match-up of the night. Thankfully, it lasted all in about 3 minutes, before Striker got Big V DQed. The funny part is he looked shocked when it happened. Perhaps Striker thinks its still the old E.C.W., in which 98% of their matches were contested under anything goes rules. Nice home-coming for Punk.. (yes, sarcasum) at least they didn't have Morrison come out & bury him further.
W.W.E. Championship: Triple H. v. Umaga: Obviously, I'm not accounting for the backstage segments in my review, but yes, Mr. McMahon still told Triple H. that since he wanted the fans to have what they wanted, & since the Umaga match had been billed, thats what they'll get. (As if McMahon keeps his promises on what matches are billed) Honestly, my review of this match was kinda one-sided. Triple H. won cleanly, which was rumored to happen (without him being Champ) but why not have Umaga getting DQ'ed by beating the crap out of Triple H. instead? It would've made the later events that much more incredible. (I'll explain more later) Overall, this match seemed rushed.. as Triple H. would soon find out he's on "Angle" duty tonight.
Grudge Match: Rey Mysterio v. Finlay: The "WTF" award would clearly have to go here. Not only was this match highly screwed up in time. (meaning, it didn't go long to me) The ending was majorly screwed up. So, Finlay takes what honestly looked like a wicked head bump off the floor, & it could've sold heavily.. IF the camera guy didn't show Finlay looking up, in the "possum" mode.. then having J.B.L. & Mr. "no emotion" Micheal Cole attempt selling that Finlay is still hurt. Now, beyond the messed up injury angle.. what did the ending of this match resolve? That these two will continue their feud?! How was/is this suppose to get the Mysterio v. J.B.L. match that should've been here to begin with? Finlay has talent, but this feud shouldn't be continuing.
Women's Championship: Candice Michelle v. Beth Phoenix: At times, I seriously yelled at the t.v. for the "sneak" pins that Candice kept pulling off. I think she went through the entire book on them in this match. All in all, complete squash by Beth.. which doesn't make sense to me, seeing as how they didn't just do that to begin with during their first match. (Overall, I told you that they'd have her win this time around, as it's similar to the Trish/Victoria angle)
World Heavyweight Championship: Punjabi Prison Match: Batista v. The Great Khali: In my opinion, which will be heavily criticized.. this was the STEAL MATCH OF THE NIGHT! What I mean by that is this.. everyone assumed it was going to be a "write-off" match, that sucked. And while it wasn't what the Main Event was, it was never officially build to be. This match surprised me with Khali's ability to climb, who knew?! Also, Batista's "leap of faith" was pre-predicted, but still nice to see. And the ending was brilliant. I honestly didn't know whether or not Khali was going to win, just because all the tall bastard had to do was drop. He was literally closer to the ground than Batista, even WHEN Batista jumped. Overall, I was impressed.. not enough to wanna see a rematch, but thankful that this gimmick match wasn't a complete nightmare that everyone assumed it'd be.
W.W.E. Championship: Last Man Standing: Triple H. v. Randy Orton: How ironic is it that the match that started the night, to determine the Championship.. would be the match that ended the night, to determine the same Championship? One of the better LMS matches I've seen in recent memory. Both men had great positioning to win it all, & while I went with Orton.. after Triple H. got up from the R.K.O. on the chair, I thought for the brief moment before he collapsed again, that he might win it there. Then again, when he blocked the "Kick of Destiny." (remember, I named that!) Finally, the finish was awesome.. & honestly, the table Monday night may of been meant to break, but tonight, I think it was planned for it not to. Either way, big moves on tables that don't budge.. priceless.
Overall Thoughts: The opening segment where McMahon explains he'll give the fans what they want, followed by tremendous Y.2.J. chants were completely priceless. But the comment I wanted to make was, he still didn't do what the fans apparently wanted.. because from what wwe.com said.. a Championship match between Val Venis v. Snitsky was what they wanted.
The part where I explained Triple H. getting beaten down by Umaga, via him taking a DQ would've been better through my eyes, as it wouldn't bury Umaga via a clean win.. & it'd set up Orton as even more of an opportunist, by taking complete advantage of a man that'd been bloodied, beaten & broken.
Finally, Triple H. is one step closer to Ric Flair in Championships. And Randy Orton is a 3-time Champion. (overall, a lot of people wonder why even give it to Triple H. to begin with.. him going up 11 time Champ, without carrying it for a while, is most likely why.. plus to build Triple H. v. Randy Orton for later on, I'm sure.)
The Matt Hardy/M.V.P. segments are getting worse than the Khali/Batista matches. Enough is enough & its time for a change. (tribute to Owen, may he R.I.P.) The only funny part of this segment was A.) Melina didn't even change the number of pizza's M.V.P. had ate, & ultimately was just there to stand in the ring. And B.) Tazz mentioning that he's from New York got almost more of a (negative) reaction than the Finlay ending. Honestly though.. one of your top technical guys left, in M.V.P.. & the man he's building one hell of a feud with.. & you don't even put them in a match.. again. I wonder if M.V.P. is still hurt from that heart issue. (rumors had him in tag matches, as he wouldn't have to work full matches.. but if thats the case, get the damn U.S. Championship off him already in a "short" match.)
No signs of Undertaker, Kane, Mark Henry, Y.2.J., John Morrison, Shawn Michaels, or Hornswoggle.. weird that they'd have a p.p.v. in October without Kane AND the Undertaker on it. Also, I think the McMahon/Hornswoggle angle is dying down, as it didn't have a part tonight.
Best of the Night: Triple H. v. Randy Orton, Last Man Standing. Great way to end the show, & it almost went a full 3 hours. I've NEVER seen a W.W.E. p.p.v. get any closer.
Worst of the Night: Finlay v. Rey Mysterio. Yeah, Punk/Daddy V is a close tie with this, but at least the E.C.W. match had an understandable, legit, ending. The Finlay ending was messed up big time, & made absolutely no sense. I know it'll come into light as the weeks move on, but I don't care.. this isn't a feud I wanna see carry on.
Overall, I liked the p.p.v. as it (through my eyes) delivered a lot better than that of Unforgiven, Summerslam & the Great American Bash.. combined. It had an almost solid line-up, top to bottom..
Opening Segment: Going into the pay-per-view, noone knew who, or how for that matter, the W.W.E. Championship was going to be decided. Low & behold, we start off quickly with Mr. McMahon coming out & cutting a nice (time consuming) promo, that ultimately ends with Randy Orton being AWARDED?! the W.W.E. Championship.. this comes after McMahon says he's giving the fans what they want. (more on this later) So, this after more time consuming moments from Orton, triggers Triple H. to come out, issue a challenge & ultimately push McMahon into it.
W.W.E. Championship: Randy Orton v. Triple H.: Its one thing to 'award' the Championship, its a complete other to start the show with the main Championship on the line. Great, solid, opening match with Triple H. winning the Championship for the 11th time. The whole time this was happening, I honestly sat their watching, KNOWING it wouldn't end like this. This "match" (I say it, because noone knew what, or who, it was going to involve) was the ultimate build around the p.p.v.. no way it could end on the opening segment/match.
6 Man Tag Team Match: Jeff Hardy, Paul London & Brian Kendrick v. Mr. Kennedy, Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch: As far as filler matches go, I was pleasantly happy to see this. And going in, I was remembering how exciting the Monday Night match-up was. The up was that Kennedy was added, the down was that ultimately they could've had Championship matches & it shows how much they think (right now) of the mid-card Championships. So, did this match live up to the excitability & thrill that the first one did? For the most part, I say yes. There were a couple botched moves, & the ending was predictable, but overall.. it was better than most "filler" matches. The only problem I had, was the ending spots. It looks like everything suddenly rushed.. from Jeff Hardy missing his guardrail run, (which while I'm sure he meant to miss, still looked misqued) to Kendrick taking out Murdoch, & almost breaking his own neck.
E.C.W. Championship: C.M. Punk v. Big Daddy V: Going in I hoped this match wouldn't take long, as it had to be built as the worst match-up of the night. Thankfully, it lasted all in about 3 minutes, before Striker got Big V DQed. The funny part is he looked shocked when it happened. Perhaps Striker thinks its still the old E.C.W., in which 98% of their matches were contested under anything goes rules. Nice home-coming for Punk.. (yes, sarcasum) at least they didn't have Morrison come out & bury him further.
W.W.E. Championship: Triple H. v. Umaga: Obviously, I'm not accounting for the backstage segments in my review, but yes, Mr. McMahon still told Triple H. that since he wanted the fans to have what they wanted, & since the Umaga match had been billed, thats what they'll get. (As if McMahon keeps his promises on what matches are billed) Honestly, my review of this match was kinda one-sided. Triple H. won cleanly, which was rumored to happen (without him being Champ) but why not have Umaga getting DQ'ed by beating the crap out of Triple H. instead? It would've made the later events that much more incredible. (I'll explain more later) Overall, this match seemed rushed.. as Triple H. would soon find out he's on "Angle" duty tonight.
Grudge Match: Rey Mysterio v. Finlay: The "WTF" award would clearly have to go here. Not only was this match highly screwed up in time. (meaning, it didn't go long to me) The ending was majorly screwed up. So, Finlay takes what honestly looked like a wicked head bump off the floor, & it could've sold heavily.. IF the camera guy didn't show Finlay looking up, in the "possum" mode.. then having J.B.L. & Mr. "no emotion" Micheal Cole attempt selling that Finlay is still hurt. Now, beyond the messed up injury angle.. what did the ending of this match resolve? That these two will continue their feud?! How was/is this suppose to get the Mysterio v. J.B.L. match that should've been here to begin with? Finlay has talent, but this feud shouldn't be continuing.
Women's Championship: Candice Michelle v. Beth Phoenix: At times, I seriously yelled at the t.v. for the "sneak" pins that Candice kept pulling off. I think she went through the entire book on them in this match. All in all, complete squash by Beth.. which doesn't make sense to me, seeing as how they didn't just do that to begin with during their first match. (Overall, I told you that they'd have her win this time around, as it's similar to the Trish/Victoria angle)
World Heavyweight Championship: Punjabi Prison Match: Batista v. The Great Khali: In my opinion, which will be heavily criticized.. this was the STEAL MATCH OF THE NIGHT! What I mean by that is this.. everyone assumed it was going to be a "write-off" match, that sucked. And while it wasn't what the Main Event was, it was never officially build to be. This match surprised me with Khali's ability to climb, who knew?! Also, Batista's "leap of faith" was pre-predicted, but still nice to see. And the ending was brilliant. I honestly didn't know whether or not Khali was going to win, just because all the tall bastard had to do was drop. He was literally closer to the ground than Batista, even WHEN Batista jumped. Overall, I was impressed.. not enough to wanna see a rematch, but thankful that this gimmick match wasn't a complete nightmare that everyone assumed it'd be.
W.W.E. Championship: Last Man Standing: Triple H. v. Randy Orton: How ironic is it that the match that started the night, to determine the Championship.. would be the match that ended the night, to determine the same Championship? One of the better LMS matches I've seen in recent memory. Both men had great positioning to win it all, & while I went with Orton.. after Triple H. got up from the R.K.O. on the chair, I thought for the brief moment before he collapsed again, that he might win it there. Then again, when he blocked the "Kick of Destiny." (remember, I named that!) Finally, the finish was awesome.. & honestly, the table Monday night may of been meant to break, but tonight, I think it was planned for it not to. Either way, big moves on tables that don't budge.. priceless.
Overall Thoughts: The opening segment where McMahon explains he'll give the fans what they want, followed by tremendous Y.2.J. chants were completely priceless. But the comment I wanted to make was, he still didn't do what the fans apparently wanted.. because from what wwe.com said.. a Championship match between Val Venis v. Snitsky was what they wanted.
The part where I explained Triple H. getting beaten down by Umaga, via him taking a DQ would've been better through my eyes, as it wouldn't bury Umaga via a clean win.. & it'd set up Orton as even more of an opportunist, by taking complete advantage of a man that'd been bloodied, beaten & broken.
Finally, Triple H. is one step closer to Ric Flair in Championships. And Randy Orton is a 3-time Champion. (overall, a lot of people wonder why even give it to Triple H. to begin with.. him going up 11 time Champ, without carrying it for a while, is most likely why.. plus to build Triple H. v. Randy Orton for later on, I'm sure.)
The Matt Hardy/M.V.P. segments are getting worse than the Khali/Batista matches. Enough is enough & its time for a change. (tribute to Owen, may he R.I.P.) The only funny part of this segment was A.) Melina didn't even change the number of pizza's M.V.P. had ate, & ultimately was just there to stand in the ring. And B.) Tazz mentioning that he's from New York got almost more of a (negative) reaction than the Finlay ending. Honestly though.. one of your top technical guys left, in M.V.P.. & the man he's building one hell of a feud with.. & you don't even put them in a match.. again. I wonder if M.V.P. is still hurt from that heart issue. (rumors had him in tag matches, as he wouldn't have to work full matches.. but if thats the case, get the damn U.S. Championship off him already in a "short" match.)
No signs of Undertaker, Kane, Mark Henry, Y.2.J., John Morrison, Shawn Michaels, or Hornswoggle.. weird that they'd have a p.p.v. in October without Kane AND the Undertaker on it. Also, I think the McMahon/Hornswoggle angle is dying down, as it didn't have a part tonight.
Best of the Night: Triple H. v. Randy Orton, Last Man Standing. Great way to end the show, & it almost went a full 3 hours. I've NEVER seen a W.W.E. p.p.v. get any closer.
Worst of the Night: Finlay v. Rey Mysterio. Yeah, Punk/Daddy V is a close tie with this, but at least the E.C.W. match had an understandable, legit, ending. The Finlay ending was messed up big time, & made absolutely no sense. I know it'll come into light as the weeks move on, but I don't care.. this isn't a feud I wanna see carry on.
Overall, I liked the p.p.v. as it (through my eyes) delivered a lot better than that of Unforgiven, Summerslam & the Great American Bash.. combined. It had an almost solid line-up, top to bottom..
scottp1969
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I have to say that this was the worst PPV i have seen. Somehow the wwe feels that a steroid using, fan and woman hating, hotel room destroying person should be the wwe champ? i guess the saying "it's not who you know, but who you blow" was proven here tonight. Do they think us fans are stupid? they are saying orton injured cena, but anyone who watched the match monday could tell it happened with kennedy.
i didn't understand the hardy/mvp segment. i think it's shaping into a great feud, but what was the point of someone getting puked on? and 2 raw divas were judges, and it was hosted by an ecw announcer? pointless.
the only things that surprised me with hhh/umaga, it was a title match, and carlito didn't show up.
finlay and rey- decent match.
6 man tag- good match. guess they are done with jeff and shelton already?
womens title- did anyone think candice would keep the belt after tonight?
punk/v- i expected morrison to interfere, surprising ending, but it still was crap.
i didn't understand the hardy/mvp segment. i think it's shaping into a great feud, but what was the point of someone getting puked on? and 2 raw divas were judges, and it was hosted by an ecw announcer? pointless.
the only things that surprised me with hhh/umaga, it was a title match, and carlito didn't show up.
finlay and rey- decent match.
6 man tag- good match. guess they are done with jeff and shelton already?
womens title- did anyone think candice would keep the belt after tonight?
punk/v- i expected morrison to interfere, surprising ending, but it still was crap.