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[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

I have to admit that was pretty cool to see him take off the mask. I was maybe 12 though, alot of things were cool.

 

[D-Man]

It never ceases to amaze me how much credit Russo gets given how STUPID some of his ideas were.

Know what it was? Let's say Russo had 50 ideas... 35 of them were shit. 5 of them were good. But 10 of them were spectacular. So all of a sudden, he's a genius.

 

[klunderbunker]

Name one great Russo idea other than the Higher Power.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Name one great Russo idea other than the Higher Power.

Which was actually shit.


Ahhh you guys and your hatred of Rey Mysterio, which has no basis in anything practical or real


"I..I JUST DONT LIKE HIM"

Never have I heard an actual reason for any of this. Coming from people who praise John fucking Morrison, for fuck sake.

 

[klunderbunker]

Why do I hate Rey? His underdog push is about as idiotic as you can get. He's always pushed so that a bunch of 8 year olds are happy. I almost cried from happiness when Khali massacred him. There comes a point where the underdog loses. WWE needs to realize this. HIs interviews are getting worse every time he talks. The mentioning of Eddie used to drive me insane, but to be fair he's toned that WAY down. Also, the 619. I don't think that requires any explanation.

 

[D-Man]

Name one great Russo idea other than the Higher Power.

Oh, I thought you meant in WCW. He had a few good pops there. His WWE ideas were really shit. And Higher Power was a great idea... until they revealed the higher power...

 

[klunderbunker]

Russo, like so many smarks, outsmarted himself. Sometimes, you just need simple stories and angles. It worked back then, it'll work today.

 

[D-Man]

Agreed. There really is too much complication going on in pro-wrestling. TNA is a perfect example of that. Man, their storylines have sucked out loud, lately.

 

[klunderbunker]

They're either overly complex, or overkill. Sting jumped two guys to send a message to Hogan. In retaliation, these two guys joined with Hogan. So Sting jumped them before they were affiliated with Hogan, thinking they would join Hogan anyway?

 

[D-Man]

Welcome to the clusterfuck that is TNA. What a shame... they were really on a roll before the "Hogan/Bischoff Era"...

 

[klunderbunker]

Bringing Hogan in was a good idea, but it's overkill. That and his segments were tanking the ratings. Can we look at Brooke instead?

 

[D-Man]

Bringing Hogan in was a good idea, but it's overkill. That and his segments were tanking the ratings.

I figured after the 10th consecutive show with Hogan opening and closing the show they would have realized that maybe they being a tad bit redundant with their storylines. Guess I was wrong.

Can we look at Brooke instead?

They already tried that, remember? She was even slightly involved in a storyline. But their crowd was so fucking smarky that the audience was too distracted with the chants and her sloppy bombs underneath her shirt.

 

[klunderbunker]

That crowd is annoying as hell. Ever since ECW the crowd thinks they mean something.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I think it's very worth mentioning that TNA was at its best post-Russo in 2005-2006. Then Russo came back, and it's been a pit of mediocrity.

In order for TNA to ever get ahead, they need to get rid of Russo. He gets too much credit for the Attitude Era and I think his work in murdering WCW was more indicative of what kind of a writer he is. McMahon was funneling Russo's ridiculous ideas, some of which still managed to get through.

 

[klunderbunker]

Russo didn't murder WCW. They were mortally wounded at Starrcade 97 and never recovered.

 

[D-Man]

The TNA crowd is probably the #1 reason why I can't watch the show, by a landslide. As much as I want to get into the promos and storylines, the so-called "supporters" of TNA are too stupid to realize that wanting their chants to CONSTANTLY be heard on television is completely taking the focus off what the show is trying to produce. I can't wrap my brain around any of the storylines because I'm too busy trying to filter Hogan's promos through the "Brooke has crabs" chants.

Maybe if their chants actually made sense once in a while or if they didn't try to start one after EVERY SINGLE LINE of a promo, I wouldn't be so distracted, disgusted, and/or fed up with them.

 

[D-Man]

Russo didn't murder WCW. They were mortally wounded at Starrcade 97 and never recovered.

What happened during that event?

I didn't watch WCW during that era... I was extremely pro-WWE, so I paid no mind. Of course, I regret the SHIT outta that today.

 

[klunderbunker]

There's that, there's Hogan, there's half the roster being tributes or whatever, there's the old guys hogging the spots, there's the total inconsistencies in things, there's the joke the knockouts have become, there's FAR too many people. I could go on.

 

[klunderbunker]

What happened during that event?

I didn't watch WCW during that era... I was extremely pro-WWE, so I paid no mind. Of course, I regret the SHIT outta that today.

More or less the dumbest moment in wrestling history. Hang on. I ranted about it a long time ago. See if I can find it.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Russo didn't murder WCW. They were mortally wounded at Starrcade 97 and never recovered.

Goldberg breathed a lot of life into the company, which Russo proceeded to ruin, capped with him making do the winning streak all over again in order to get a title shot. WCW, under the right guy running the ship, could have had a chance to make it despite the turbulence it went through in the late 90s.

 

[D-Man]

There's that, there's Hogan, there's half the roster being tributes or whatever, there's the old guys hogging the spots, there's the total inconsistencies in things, there's the joke the knockouts have become, there's FAR too many people. I could go on.

Honestly though, most of those have existed in pro-wrestling for years... especially Hogan (lol). But seriously, not much has changed there.

The thing is, they need to take all of those elements, no matter how bad they've become, filter out the garbage, and find the right way to piece the puzzle together.

But I put so much stress on the crowd because that's the only factor that has truly changed over the course of the past two eras of pro-wrestling. ECW gave the crowd too much credit... now every other promotion feels like some day, a wrestler will actually acknowledge them during a live broadcasted show and they can be a star for 3 seconds.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

More or less the dumbest moment in wrestling history. Hang on. I ranted about it a long time ago. See if I can find it.

Whatever it was, it couldn't be on the level of the Fingerpoke of Doom, or Booker T losing the WCW Title to Vince Russo, or David Arquette becoming WCW Champion, or Kanyon getting thrown off the Triple Cage and them treating it like a serious incident almost exactly one year to the date of Owen Hart and it taking place in the same arena.

 

[klunderbunker]

Fuck it.

Short version, Hogan vs. Sting had been build up for over a year. Sting had turned his back on WCW because a fake Sting joined the NWO and he took it as they didn't trust him. He didn't speak on TV for over a year. During that time he hung out in the rafters and didn't do much of anything.

Hogan dominates the entire time. Finally, Sting issues a challenge, implying he wants Hogan. We roll into Washington DC for Starrcade, WCW's Wrestlemania. Hogan has been running scared of Sting for 8 months. Hogan dances to the ring. He plays the belt like it's a guitar and acted like he was fighting Lash Leroux. Sting makes his big dramatic entrance...and then Hogan beats the hell out of him. Hogan has been scared to look at him and now he's beating him up.

A month earlier, Montreal had happened. Bret Hart had debuted that night as a guest referee. At the end of the match, Hogan hit the legdrop and Sting got pinned clean. The idea had been a parody/homage to Montreal with Nick Patrick the referee doing a fast count. The problem was he did a regular one, so Sting looks like he got beat clean in like 5 minutes. Bret was supposed to run down and protest, but he was there before the bell even rang which made even less sense. He says he's not going to let it happen again, which if you didn't watch WWF made NO sense at all. He was a referee earlier int he night so apparently he had referee authority here too. He restarted the match and Sting beats Hogan clean in like 10 seconds with the Scorpion.

They stripped Sting of the belt like ten days later I think and it wasn't for over a MONTH that Sting beat him clean. He lose the belt to Savage like two months later and Hogan got it the next day. Instead of being the end of the NWO, Hogan was champion again less than two months later. WCW's fans had been waiting a year and a half to see Hogan get killed and it didn't happen because Hogan decided he shouldn't get squashed, despite running like a coward that long. Everyone changed the channel and saw a bald guy winning every match he had. The 85 week losing streak ended about 2 months later.

 

[klunderbunker]

Goldberg breathed a lot of life into the company, which Russo proceeded to ruin, capped with him making do the winning streak all over again in order to get a title shot. WCW, under the right guy running the ship, could have had a chance to make it despite the turbulence it went through in the late 90s.

They hadn't lost a ratings week in over a year. They shouldn't have needed new life breathed into them.

 

[CH David]

What happened during that event?

I didn't watch WCW during that era... I was extremely pro-WWE, so I paid no mind. Of course, I regret the SHIT outta that today.

If it is what I think it is, here is the long story short. Hogan wasn't willing to lose clean to Sting for the title. So he thought of the genius plan to have Nick Patrick do a fast count, and Bret Hart come out and restart talking about Montreal and all that jazz. Patrick counted regularly, fucking up the already dumb as shit idea. So it was basically restarted for no reason. Sting won anyway. Hogan's ego wouldn't let him lose clean in one fall. The biggest star in WCW couldn't beat Hogan in one fall. Yeah, dumb as fuck.

Edit: Damn you KB!!!!!!