CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[MMK]

I feel this was a legit shoot. During the attitude era wrestlers were given leeway all the time to break the 4th wall and say what was on their minds. It almost never happens these days but last night was one of the few instances where it did.

Punk didn't just break down the 4th wall. He imploded the entired foundation. It may originally have been scheduled to be a typical end of show promo from Punk, but he clearly went off script and spoke about his own honest frustrations that he's felt during his time with WWE. If it were a worked shoot, it would have been ALL about John Cena. But Punk said from the beginning that it had nothing to do with him or there match. He spoke about Dwayne, and John Laurenitis, Vinces doofus son in law, ROH, Colt Cabana, Heymnan, and even tna via Hulk Hogan.

My guess is WWE has pulled the plug on Punk entirely. There will be no match with Cena. He's gone.

I just wish he would have LITERALLY burned a bridge on his way out like Homer Simpson did when he quit the nuclear power plant. lol

 

[Mikael941]

All I can say is Wow, I hope CM Punk is gone, not because I do not like him, I think he is the best right now. I hope he goes because the WWE never showed him the respect he deserved. Shoot, Angle, or whatever, it was all the Truth. If he landed in ROH the ramifications would be mind boggling. I would fire anyone I could to get him to Impact and build a promotion around him. Hot commodity is the word. That promo alone just sold at least 50,000 more buys, just to see what is going to happen??? Interesting days we have.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

I think Punk has a ton of ability and is definitely an asset to the WWE. Will his leaving be impactful to the WWE? No. CM Punk is not a commonality to WWE because of his potential marketability, but because he is genuinely a good heel. There's a litany of wrestlers who can give WWE a good image. CM Punk simply knows how to work a crowd, and that is why he's an asset. He is, however, replaceable.

Here I have to disagree with you. Who other than Randy Orton can step into that slot and be a huge heel at the level of Punk right now? Let's face it Punk is the best heel in the business and WWE Talent Relations hasn't really been churning out a lot of big stars over the last ten years.

The fact is that the WWE doesn't have the personnel to replace Punk because they don't have anyone that good. Miz is little more than annoying, he comes on while I'm watching I turn the channel. Orton on Smackdown as a face. Shaemus as much as I like him is not on Punk's level and is on Smackdown. Bryan Danielson is being wasted as a talent with no end in sight to that. Quite frankly there is NOBODY to replace Punk on that roster, nobody even close, and I don't see WWE putting enough effort into the product to care to replace Punk with anyone other than your average Miz giving stupid facial expressions and being annoying.

Right now for the WWE Punk is not replaceable to the product, but as Punk said in the promo, Vince will keep making millions and the sheep will keep watching.

 

[MMK]

Punk is now gone from WWE. They've already scheduled a match for next week to determine a new #1 contender to face Cena at the ppv between Rey, Del Rio, and RTruth. So there you have it. Punk is done. And he went out in a blaze of glory. Like I said earlier, the only thing that would have made his shoot promo any better would have been for him to literally burn a bridge as he's leaving like Homer Simpson did when he quit working for Mr.Burns.

By the way, Howard Finkel is reporting that Punk was escorted from the building after the show last night.

 

[Jaelae]

I dunno if it was written for Punk but they might have agreed with him and gave him some ideas to be the new anti-McMahon guy.

The fact that WWE.com now says he was suspended by Vince McMahon means this part of the story. Why do not and make a big deal about it instead of just saying you have parted ways?

Good storyline though! Finally

 

[Hitman-HBK United Inc.]

I don't think it was written, from what I understand, Punk has a lot of free reign over what he says, since he's one of the best promo guys in the business, and he's gotten in trouble for not going by the script at times. However, from what I've read from a few former WWE writers online, is that Punk is the type of guy where if he's going to go to town on you, he'll let you know...he would go up to Jeff Hardy and say, "This is what I'm going to say about you". With the low domestic draws of PPV these days, I think Vince is willing to try just about anything.

I'm willing to bet that Vince said something along the lines of, "Let's get this thing over, say what you have to say, but myself and the rest of creative have to know the outline of what you're going to do before we can go to air".

It was worked, no doubt, but being familiar with Punk's overall nature as a person outside the ring, and reading what I've read over the last several years, I think he truly came up with all this stuff.

I also think he does have legit gripes with the people he name dropped, but not to the level he expressed last night....I think he took those minor gripes, and cranked it full throttle.

 

[classicviolence]

A couple of thoughts about this.

1. As great as Punk is on the mic, there are other guys in WWE currently that are just as good if not better on the mic.
2. CM Punk is not the best wrestler in WWE, that title either goes to D Bryan or Christian who makes everybody look like a million dollars. Besides the Jericho v Punk, Rey v Punk matches, his in ring quality has diminished considerably.
3. It was a amazing worked shoot, however WWE should not have done this prior to taping a RAW. Now people get to read about the continuation of the angle.

Other than that it was good stuff. I still think the Flair "Farewell" RAW was the best RAW ending in years.

 

[vermilion]

Do you still believe in Santa Claus? The whole damn thing is a work. Punk is a smart man, he wouldnt intentionally shoot and ruin any chance of a return.

^^^ This x infinity. I really don't get people thinking that A) this was a shoot or B) that it was a work but Punk went into business for himself and started shooting. CM Punk knows this business. He understands how it works. Does anyone believe for a minute he wants to burn a bridge, by far the largest, most profitable bridge, just to make a few people on the internet cream themselves? I would be very shocked if ANY of that promo wasn't scripted. Think about this, if it wasn't a work, completely, would they have let it go so long? The show IS on a delay. Note the censorship of the word "douchebag". They easily could've chose not to air any of it.

It boggles my mind how people can read this website, know about this industry (to a greater extent than the casual fan), backstage and such, and still be completely oblivious to how it ACTUALLY works. I'm ranting a bit but it's not even just on this issue. The Cena hate is a great example. The things people do on TV are scripted. When you watch sitcoms, do you hate people there b/c of their characters? It's no wonder that people like Eric Bischoff don't give a shit what the IWC thinks. It's obviously most are just socially-******ed marks anyway.

 

[c64]

I've been a fan since the 70's(thats right i'm old). What i learned from wrestling is that the wwe always had one big draw wrestler or gimmick and it started with Hogan. Every era had its big wrestler(or DX which they couldn't carry the company as a single performer). Now they still have nobody. They are still trying to find a "Rock, Austin or Hogan", money maker. It ended with the Rock. CM punk is good, but at the end of the day what does he show. He has no over the top gimmick like Rock or austin". Bitching and bashing only goes so far before it gets old. The reason why rock and austin got so big is they are entertaining to watch. CM punk, cena get boring real fast. So until they find the next Hogan, Rock or Austin wrestling will keep being average

 

[Hitman-HBK United Inc.]

Sting is certainly far more interesting as a character, and his promo delivery is equal, if not better at times. However, Sting is in the closing year(s) of his career, and he's limited in the ring. Not horrible, but limited.

Sting's promos come off as someone who's watched the Dark Knight one too many times. Nothing against him, because he was who got me into WCW in the early 90's, but pack it in bud!

Another thing I wanted to say is that Punk's promo still sounded like "HIM", which is why I don't think the WWE's gaggle of writers came up with it. Oh sure, they approved it, I have no doubt of that, but just look at the promos he's cut on the indy circuit, basically it's the same thing without the swearing!! I say good for Punk, the point is he has everybody talking.

 

[DarkLordFett]

It's the best writing Creative has done is a very long time. So good in fact, I'd have to say Punk himself wrote it and got VKM to approve it. But if this was Punk going off reservation..... Well, he just got his ass fired before his contract ran out. You don't rip Vince, Steph and Trips like that and stay with the company very long.

 

[vermilion]

Punk is now gone from WWE. They've already scheduled a match for next week to determine a new #1 contender to face Cena at the ppv between Rey, Del Rio, and RTruth. So there you have it. Punk is done. And he went out in a blaze of glory. Like I said earlier, the only thing that would have made his shoot promo any better would have been for him to literally burn a bridge as he's leaving like Homer Simpson did when he quit working for Mr.Burns.

By the way, Howard Finkel is reporting that Punk was escorted from the building after the show last night.

Jesus, seriously? You do realize that Howard Finkel is an employee of the WWE. Of course he is going to further the angle. They wouldn't have shown the whole "shoot" if it were even a bit real. If you really think CM Punk will not be wrestling in the WWE anymore, I have some great swampland in Florida I'd like to sell you.

 

[Greydon]

It is a worked Shoot. It reminds me of the Matt/Edge/Lita angle a few years ago. That was a worked shoot too.

I think punk went off the reservation, (off script, even if it was bullet points) was when he mentioned the B.A Star campaign. An abrupt cut off. Obviously what he said earlier was scripted and what he was about to say wasn't to some extent, or otherwise no cut off. USA is very liberal with WWE for time restraints, and that wasn't an issue.

This is a worked shoot as simple as that.

 

[Stein Lager]

Ok it's legit. Look at his face when the mic cuts.. All you know it alls saying this was worked are morons... He got suspended from the wwe.. The raw program actually cut off the air..His profile on wwe.com is gone... There is no cena vs punk at mitb.. It's legit punk is no more as much as I hate it as a guy said above he went out with guns blazing.. So stop talking down to people and calling a work blah blah blah, you're idiots

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I would have to say that Punk's promo was probably the best worked shoots of all time. The only shoot promo that can come close is Austin's shoot in WCW in ECW but that too was not as impactful as it came in a small company. This might even be one of the ten best promos of all time be it a shoot, worked shoot or a normal promo.

Punk cutting the promo in an Austin shirt, who in my opinion is the greatest promo man of all time, was almost symbolic. The rage, the attitude and the intensity in his voice and his actions would have done even Austin proud. He shot down almost everyone of note in the business with one single promo, except Austin but that is understandable because he was wearing his shirt. Not only did he lambast the industry he shot down the ones who were cheering him as well, the members of the IWC. That was my favorite part of the promo as it showed how helpless the IWC is. Punk turned everyone against him and that is the mark of a true heel.

This promo has got almost everyone in the industry and every single fan buzzing. Colt Cabana has posted that Punk is the coolest thing in wrestling since 1998 and I think he is right.

Credit should also go to the WWE for working this angle well. Punk is said to have been suspended from the WWE and has even been removed from the WWE Superstars page. I also liked how Punk's mic got cut off towards the end of the promo. It definately added to the realism of the angle.

The WWE locker room is said to have been shocked by the content of Punk's promo. If I was in their place, I would have probably been shocked by the sheer amount of talent this man possesses. He is so far ahead of anyone in the roster that it is almost scary. If there were any lingering doubts as to who is the best promo cutter in the business currently, I am sure that Punk has removed them by now. He might even have hotshotted himself into the top ten promocutters of all time just on the basis of that one promo.

 

[MMK]

I don't think it was written, from what I understand, Punk has a lot of free reign over what he says, since he's one of the best promo guys in the business, and he's gotten in trouble for not going by the script at times. However, from what I've read from a few former WWE writers online, is that Punk is the type of guy where if he's going to go to town on you, he'll let you know...he would go up to Jeff Hardy and say, "This is what I'm going to say about you". With the low domestic draws of PPV these days, I think Vince is willing to try just about anything.

I'm willing to bet that Vince said something along the lines of, "Let's get this thing over, say what you have to say, but myself and the rest of creative have to know the outline of what you're going to do before we can go to air".

It was worked, no doubt, but being familiar with Punk's overall nature as a person outside the ring, and reading what I've read over the last several years, I think he truly came up with all this stuff.

I also think he does have legit gripes with the people he name dropped, but not to the level he expressed last night....I think he took those minor gripes, and cranked it full throttle.

Precisely. It wasn't a completely legit shoot but I wouldnt say it was a total work either. No doubt the segment was planned, but that doesnt mean Punks comments weren't real. Guys who have mic skills at the caliber of Punks have historicaly been given a lot of leeway to say whatever they feel, and more than likely he was told that if he went too far they'd cut him off. I think it was a mutual agreement between Punk and WWE. But just because the segment was planned doesnt mean they scripted what he said.

Jesus, seriously? You do realize that Howard Finkel is an employee of the WWE. Of course he is going to further the angle. They wouldn't have shown the whole "shoot" if it were even a bit real. If you really think CM Punk will not be wrestling in the WWE anymore, I have some great swampland in Florida I'd like to sell you.

I remember a few months ago when EDGE retired, everyone said it was just a work. But it wasn't. So don't be so quick to rush to judgment. Punk was speaking about his true frustrations. Of course the segment was planned to happen, but they didn't script what he said. He spoke from the heart.

Last year WWE created a lot of buzz with the NXT angle, but dropped the ball. Now theyre gonna do it again. If they were smart theyd swallow there pride and resign Punk and give him what he wants. Unfortunately I think what he wants most is to get out of WWE.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

As a face, he's never proved to be a fan favorite to the degree you're saying that could happen. Punk could make the WWE look good, but so can a myriad of other superstars backstage. What makes you think Punk could be the figurehead of the company? Just because you think it's possible. What does he have that others don't?

No one believed Austin could either till 3:16 and then WM13 match... Punk isn't going anywhere... he will "take a break" but go out on a stellar performance and be back for Summerslam against Trips... they just found their new superstar...

 

[itssoeasy123]

I remember a few months ago when EDGE retired, everyone said it was just a work. But it wasn't. So don't be so quick to rush to judgment. Punk was speaking about his true frustrations. Of course the segment was planned to happen, but they didn't script what he said. He spoke from the heart.

Last year WWE created a lot of buzz with the NXT angle, but dropped the ball. Now theyre gonna do it again. If they were smart theyd swallow there pride and resign Punk and give him what he wants. Unfortunately I think what he wants most is to get out of WWE.

Punk was really saying everything the internet smark's have been saying for year's. Cena being an "ass-kisser," John Laurinaitis being called a "yes man," Triple H being called a "doofus," him saying he is better than everybody else, he is the best wrestler. It's all playing to the internet smark's who want it to be real, when it's relaly not.

This could lead to CM Punk vs. Triple H at Summerslam, or a returning Jericho vs. Punk at Summerslam.

I think we may be see a possible swerve coming, which could be Vince screwing Cena out of the WWE Championship. IMO, them having the stipulation that Cena's fired makes it a little bit predictable, but if they pull the upredictable route, it could be very affective. Hell, King's of Wrestling might sign soon with WWE, maybe they can play a role during the match.

All in all, this whole thing is really being blown up, and who knows whats gonna happen at Money in the Bank. There's also the report's of Cena being "banged up," that could play a role in this whole storyline.

 

[t619]

I like punk but i find him to be extremely overated.

Mic skills - are good but not great (Let Christian do that promo and you will see how it should be done)

Ring Skills - Above Average (Not great in the ring but passable)

His Character - Seems interesting at times. However its seems boring at times aswell. Still think his best work was with Jeff Hardy.

 

[MMK]

I don't know why everyone seems so obsessed with arguing over whether or not it was a work or a shoot. Who cares. It was the best moment on RAW in nearly 10 frickin years. Thats all that matters.

If some fans on the internet can't learn to just enjoy an awesome moment every once in a while, then I feel sorry for them. In my opinion Punk spoke his mind and went off script. Doesn't get anymore complicated than that. If it turns out it was scripted, that's fine too. But I don't think thats gonna happen. No one can convince me that someone wrote that for Punk. That was all him last night. And everything he said was true. I really don't give a damn whether or not Vince or anyone on creative gave him their blessing to say what he did. That's beside the point.

Either way, the fact that he's able to elicit such a debate just goes to show what a great a perfomer he is. Shame he's leaving.

 

[Karaoke Superstar]

WWE and Punk will hammer out a deal. Right now he is the hottest thing in wrestling, and probably will be through the Money in the Bank PPV. There is no way they will let him go when he is one of the best they got.

 

[That Don Guy]

Ok it's legit. Look at his face when the mic cuts.. All you know it alls saying this was worked are morons... He got suspended from the wwe.. The raw program actually cut off the air..His profile on wwe.com is gone... There is no cena vs punk at mitb.. It's legit punk is no more as much as I hate it as a guy said above he went out with guns blazing.. So stop talking down to people and calling a work blah blah blah, you're idiots

If the WWE wanted to get rid of it that badly, then why didn't they remove it from the west coast feed? (Yes, they can edit the west coast feed - remember Lita's "nip slip"?) They probably cut the mic because they were running out of time; I am under the impression that USA does not like it when Raw goes over its time slot unannounced, as it screws up the rest of USA's schedule until they can find something else to cut.

I want to say that Punk ran what he wanted to say by Vince, and got the OK, but it wasn't entirely "scripted"; the only reason I don't with any confidence is, I am under the impression that there is some unwritten rule about comments about Stephanie. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason she and HHH were mentioned at all was for one of two reasons; either they want HHH to feud with Punk when he returns, or they're going to have him or Stephanie turn out to be the Anonymous RAW GM the whole time.

 

[TheRev]

Need proof that Punk's promo was totally planned as well as "cutting it off" in the middle of his rant?

Do you ever notice the Raw Copyright graphic that appears at the end of the show? Whenever it goes off, they flash it on the bottom left corner of the screen for legal reasons. I noticed they didn't do that last night when they cut off Punk. It made sense because they had to make it look legit.

So I began to wonder....and I went back and watched it again on my DVR.

They have to show the logo and guess what...it was on the screen when they came back from the final commercial break of the Truth/Cena match. They NEVER show it any other time, but at the end of the show.

They knew Punk was going to do his thing so they placed the copyright info elsewhere to give the appearance that things went awry.

Curious if anyone else caught this or not? I read up to about page 15 and gave up and decided to post this anyway....sorry if someone already mentioned it.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

Let's put it n prospective a little bit here. This was a worked shoot, but let's look.

Ric Flair did probably the greatest worked shoot in the history of the business when he returned to WCW after a 6 month feud with Eric Bischoff. He buried Bischoff into the ground like nobody had ever seen to that point in the business. It was a shoot based on REAL animosity, Flair just jacked it up to another level.

Paul Heyman, when he shot on Vince, the WWE, and everything the company could it was based on real animosity, real problems he had with both Vince and the WWE as a whole. Then he was gone.

Now Punk, contract up, not resigned, gives a worked shoot in the mold of a Flair or Heyman, that tells me that there are real feelings that what he said, he believes, he just jacked it up to an extreme for the camera.

I have no doubt that punk believed every word he said, accurate or not, he just jacked it up with the name calling. Will Punk resign? I think the WWE would have to make him a hell of an offer, they very well could do that as hot as he is for the simple fact that if I was WWE I would be scared to death to have CM Punk show up at the first set of Ring of Honor tapings. It would be like if Roddy Piper after Wrestlemania 2 after his match there, showing up in WCW as hot as he was with Pipers Pit and everything Piper was into. Piper teaming with Dusty Rhodes, Magnum, and the Road Warriors in the first War Games against The Horsemen would have put Crockette so far out in front of the WWF Vince would have crapped himself. Not saying ROH has that type of roster that Punk would make THAT type of difference by any means but the impact would be felt because Punk does have a following and talent.

You cant have one of your biggest stars leave and go elsewhere, especially to a company that could give you competition like ROH could if they got a huge star or two to market. If I am WWE, I not only give Punk the strap, not only do I let him have it for a good two or three months, but I throw in a HUGE payday. With the depleted talent pool in the WWE they can not allow their top heel to walk.

 

[mancpenguin]

The promo did exactly what it needed to do. It was fresh and exciting and made me want to watch Raw. When I read about the ending on facebook - I just wanted to watch it. I assume hes going to be on next weeks Raw - how about an nwo style takeover/refusal to leave storyline ?