CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[martymcfly]

I am going out a long limb here and against the vast majority, but I didn't see Punk's promo being worth 40+ pages of orgasmic moaning.

Perhaps it was built up too much...I saw some posts on here about what a great promo it was and how people can't believe he went there, was it real, etc etc before I watched the recorded program myself. So perhaps I watched it, eagerly anticipating seeing what all the fuss was about, and at that point, nothing could live up to the hype. But whatever it was, I found myself confused as to why this was such a big deal. Yes, he can talk well on a mic without stumbling, yes he can sound sincere. But I personally did not find anything he said to be interesting.

His high points: Yeah, Cena is a suckup, so is Rock and Hogan. Oooh, no he didn't (although if he had lumped Austin in there that would have been a little more interesting). Whoopie. Vince surrounds himself with "yes men". Wow, my mind is blown (sarcasm). He has a link to Heyman. So what? He called stephanie an idiot and insulted HHH and Vince's family. It's been done before.

Again, don't get me wrong, he is talented when talking. And if you think his promo was the greatest thing to happen in the world of wrestling in the last few years, great, I honestly am glad that what they did worked for you. I just don't think he said anything really that was all that fantastic, but again, that is my mere personal opinion.

 

[Gilly?]

I absolutely loved CM Punk's promo. The delivery was outstanding and it again just proves that he is the best the WWE have at the moment and you call tell that everything he said was something he genuinely felt, but maybe not on that sort of level. Whatever the plan is with him for the future, I hope is bright.

 

[Constipated Badger Bottom]

I am going out a long limb here and against the vast majority, but I didn't see Punk's promo being worth 40+ pages of orgasmic moaning.

Perhaps it was built up too much...I saw some posts on here about what a great promo it was and how people can't believe he went there, was it real, etc etc before I watched the recorded program myself. So perhaps I watched it, eagerly anticipating seeing what all the fuss was about, and at that point, nothing could live up to the hype. But whatever it was, I found myself confused as to why this was such a big deal. Yes, he can talk well on a mic without stumbling, yes he can sound sincere. But I personally did not find anything he said to be interesting.

His high points: Yeah, Cena is a suckup, so is Rock and Hogan. Oooh, no he didn't (although if he had lumped Austin in there that would have been a little more interesting). Whoopie. Vince surrounds himself with "yes men". Wow, my mind is blown (sarcasm). He has a link to Heyman. So what? He called stephanie an idiot and insulted HHH and Vince's family. It's been done before.

Again, don't get me wrong, he is talented when talking. And if you think his promo was the greatest thing to happen in the world of wrestling in the last few years, great, I honestly am glad that what they did worked for you. I just don't think he said anything really that was all that fantastic, but again, that is my mere personal opinion.

I can see where your coming from, you only read about it before watching the promo so the shock factor for you wasn't there compared to the people on this forum who were watching it live, I think i speak for everybody when we saw Punk grab the mic and sitting down on top of the rampway we were expecting a promo were he was just going to say to Cena how he was going to beat him at MITB etc etc but then he made the comment about Cena kissing VInce McMahon's Ass which took me by suprise and made me sit up and lean closer to my television and increase the volume and by the time he finished his promo us and apparently those backstage at Raw were stunned and a little bit exciting at what he said.

 

[Robi2184]

Guys the news all over twitter today is that Jim Rome dedicated an entire 10 minute segment to CM Punk's shoot promo on his radio show today. Rome asked Punk to be a part a guest on his show so they could talk about the subject. Rome treated the segment as if it was completely real.

No transcript or audio yet, sorry.

 

[jctheactor03]

I believe Punk will win @ MitB. I believe Punk has re-signed with the E. I also believe that we will have a few months sans John Cena which will be embraced with open arms as a breath of fresh air. Punk's promo had an ultimate thrill factor that most superstars would kill to give and I enjoyed every bit of it. The purpose of wrestling is to suspend disbelief and make us question the reality of it and that is exactly what I did monday night.

 

[manstis1804]

That is pretty huge. I've got to find that segment, Rome burning on wrestling in a non-negative fashion is a dream come true for me. Also, his perspective would be really interesting as a guy who does not like wrestling at all.

 

[Gore Illa]

Whoa, that's big. Someone needs to upload. People are really treating the segment as if it was a real shoot. It's everywhere, on WorldStarHipHop, media blogs.

I hope WWE does something of equal impact next week to keep the momentum rolling.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I think Punk would destroy Rome in a debate, I really do. Punk is highly educated, speaks incredibly well and knows enough about himself as well as his craft to basically hang Rome from a wall & throw verbal darts at him. I certainly wish the WWE handles their damn business on this issue and take advantage of a golden opportunity to further this storyline along. Punk said he's never appeared on Cona or Jimmy Kimmel, well, while Jim Rome is not either of those guys, he does have a pretty good following. Only thing I wish could happen is Punk appear on his T.V. show on ESPN instead of the radio because not everybody has ESPN Radio (I know I don't, least I don't think I do). Please WWE, don't fuck this up by trying to "stick with the suspension" crap. Here's to hoping for the best.

 

[rko91]

Reported by pwinsider.com's Marc Middleton today:

"Sources report that CM Punk's entire promo at the end of RAW this week was improvised by Punk and not scripted. Nobody in the back knew what Punk was going to say until he said it live on RAW.

WWE officials told Punk to go out and say in his own words why he was leaving the company, why he wanted the WWE Title and why he wanted to leave with it in his possession. There was a discussion that when officials felt Punk was going too far, they would pull the plug on the segment and cut his mic.

It's said that Punk was upset months ago when Triple H came back to feud with The Undertaker and while some of his comments on RAW towards Vince McMahon were well thought out to appear not as a shoot to the average viewer, most believe that Punk's comments towards Triple H and John Laurinaitis were strictly a shoot.

Word also is that Punk had some notes for his speech jotted down on his wrist tape.

As far as his contract status, Punk's deal apparently expires the second week of July but he signed an extension to work through Money in the Bank. Still with last night's new storyline development, sources maintain that Punk is leaving at Money in the Bank."



Your thoughts on this update? I think it's crazy that Punk was given the green light to go out there and speak his mind, and at this point I'm really starting to believe he'll be leaving WWE, most likely now once his extension is up.

 

[Father Uncle Oscar]

This is what I thought as soon as his mic cut off. There was no way Vince would ever write out that transcript on paper and tell someone that works for him to say it on air, even if they were leaving soon. Besides, if Vince wrote that, we most likely would have heard something from the "glad-handed, non-sensical, douchebag yes man," John Laurinaitis.

 

[mrpops]

Regardless of real/fake/scripted/non scripted i still want to hear the rest of the speech. It was only getting better and better. I want to hear what he has to say about the anti bullying thing/a story about vince mcmahon. All of us can pretty much guess where he was going with the bullying but id still like to hear it.

 

[GUMBO2ndcoming]

First off I wanna see some credibility to these "sources" but I will say this, Theres no way it was a complete shoot, something had to be ran by Vince, Steph, or Trips before hand. Now that being said I dont think everything Punk said was known beforehand. I also believe they told him to go out there and improvise on what he already ran by there. I really dont see him still being around if he did that completely of the top of his head.



I'll agree that I would like to hear the rest of that promo, if punk leaves on bad terms he should go on Jim Rome's radio show and finish. I doubt he's leaving without having returning in mind though.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

I think some of it was CM Punk saying what he wanted to say and the other was gone over in the Production Meetings they have before the Shows. I doubt we will totally know what was real and what was planned out but it always makes for fun discussions.

I did find it funny that Jim Rome (who I watch and he discredits Wrestling) offered him a spot in his Radio Show to continue his promo.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I doubt Punk will go on ESPN unless he goes there to repeat the stuff he said. Just rewatch his promo. He basically listed all the things that even most of the casual fans know and/or feel.

- Cena sucks
- Cena kisses ass
- Rock, Hogan kiss ass
- Saying the word "wrestler" on WWE Programming. Yeah, he's so rebel.
- Mentioning NJPW, ROH, past wrestlers, saying he's a Heyman guy. Nothing controversial there.

In the end, Punk just went over the things we all know, and things that have gone through the minds of a lot of fans, both casual and dipshits. I mean, the Idiotic Wrestling Community. Same thing.

Content wise, it was not that impressive. He didn't really shock me like he did other people. What I enjoyed was the delivery and the emotion. Writing wise, it wasn't anything special. But it was a great promo.

Sadly enough the show itself sucked all sorts of ass, as always. What good is a magnificent CM Punk who blurs the lines of what's real and what's not, when in another 7 days WWE will return to the corny, stale, goodie two shoes, blatantly fake product they've been dishing out for half a decade? Punk is just one guy. If the entire company doesn't change with him, he'll be just a blip on the radar. The Attitude Era worked because the company had just that - an attitude. A stolen one, copying other people's attitudes [vintage McMahon] but an attitude nontheless. It wasn't just Rock or Austin or DX. The whole shit changed. How is Punks attitude going to work long term when you have fruitcakes like Evan Bourne throwing up the peace sign and smiling from ear to ear like a dork. How is Punks attitude going to work when he works in a company that featured a midget instead of their talented wrestlers. Look at that damn place. It's stale, top to bottom. Ratings - down or frozen. PPV buys - getting lower and lower. Get a clue. Yeah I know, you're pulling 3.1's. Big fucking deal. You were pulling 3.2's and 3.3's last year. 3.5's a couple of years back. Twice as much during the Attitude Era, and twice less than that in the beginning of the 90's when the product was very similiar to what we see today. An 80's attitude in 2011 doesn't really cut it.

Is WWE willing to change and ride this new, fresh appeal that Punk brought? Are they willing to drop all the stupid bullshit, limit the kiddy crap, drop the constant wide smiles and cookie cutter looks and become a fucking pro wrestling company again? Quit trying to make pro wrestling a respected and admired by people of all ages product which appeals to every single person, Vince. Pro wrestling will always be the red headed step child of the entertainment industry. It'll always be judged and looked down upon. Don't run from that, you moron. Embrace it. People secretly like the rebel and the villian a heck of a lot more than the Superhero who appeals to all. If I had to choose whether I wanted Joker to kill Batman or Batman to kill Joker ... well, let's just say that Ozzy Osbourne would be feasting upon some tasty tasty bat wings that day.

 

[The Calgary Kid]

I realized something earlier that stuck out that night, but I failed to put two and two together. I haven't seen anyone else mention it, so it must have slipped completely under the radar. While we will never know just how much of what he said was unapproved, legit shoot, he was clearly being given time to work a scripted ending. Why? If the show is on your DVR, watch the end of the match before Punk's promo.

The WWE copyright signature, which appears in the lower left corner at the end of the broadcast (or on the hour at 10:00), shows up at 11:00, while the show is still running. Cole provides broadcast identification, and the show continues. This is a legal thing that has to happen. They wanted to end the show with the cut feed, so they ran the copyright on the hour, rather than at the end of the show, and identified the continuing show, per broadcast rules. That is the only time I have ever seen them do that, and might be the only time they use that tactic again.

Again, we can argue all we want about what within the promo was work and what was shoot, but one thing is certain: they were giving him the time to talk and end with the cut feed.

 

[XXJJ]

This has gotten a ton of attention. Surprised that Jim Rome was even talking about. I'm happy for Punk, hopefully he can capitalize off this.

I'm still skeptical that Punk is actually leaving the WWE. Vince is a smart businessman, I cant see him pushing someone like this who is about to leave his company. It makes no sense from a business standpoint.

 

[WolfNyte]

I have to say this and I apologize in advance for being long winded here.

Vince and Steph and Ace and alot of others in the lead have been the butt end of jokes and story lines for years.

Remember when Undertaker kidnapped Steph and supposidly mollested her when she was just getting into the biz when she was "innocent" steph?

Remember Jericho calling her a fithly bottom feeding trashbag Ho?

Even Trips calling her Princess Skank

Lets go to Vince.

All the abuse heaped on him by Austin, Rock,Foley the list is too huge togo into.

My favorite being Trips saying vince doesnt have grapefruits but grapenuts.

J Ace has been the butt of jokes as well remember the Dancing fat boy stipper in the thong who was a rib at Laurentes?

How about all the ribs on Trips over the years about the nose and other things.

Someone brought up Joey Styles "shoot" on WWE and the people in charge. The guy as far as I know still runs the Website and does most of their marketing and advertizing. A little known fact is that Joey went to college for advertizing and worked in that capacity before getting his part time job with ECW and Paul Heyman.

Fact is Vince checks EVERYTHING before it airs on TV even in the attitude era Vince had to give the green light to things. SCSA even talked in the past how he and VKM would toss abuse vince ideas around before doing them.

Most everything goes thru vince and is discussed with whomever is going to be on the recieving end of the jokes. Even the Lovley*chokes* Vikki Gurerro has siad all kings fat jokes and insults she ok's prior to airing she is asked is this ok or too over the top.

A guy I used to work with up until he moved last year was the head of Maintance at WWE HQ and he used to tell me stories how the stars and vince and steph , whom he said is a wonderfull woman in person and polar opposite of her character, would be discussing stuff like that walking the halls and in the elevators all the time. Should I pitch this to Vince? Will he Be mad at this? Hey can I call you this?

I am willing to wager that whole "shoot" was practiced and key words chosen for perpare to cut mike and mike cut then how many seconds to blackout. They plan these things to the utmost as my cousins best friend who used to Produce backstage segments back in the late 90's and early 2000's , not sure what he does now for the E, used to say.

 

[Aaronliveshere]

Just want to get some opinions on this because there were a few things that stuck out from CM Punk's rant that it all could be a work. My opinion is that he will take some time off, probably work a few ROH dates and then be back in the WWE.

1. I know that Punk has connections with ROH, but if he's is leaving why not at least mention TNA. I don't think he would go there, but what would have been the harm?

2. Mentioning Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman wasn't the end of the world. Both could come back to WWE if they wanted to and I doubt WWE doesn't like the press it gets when you hear about Undertaker taking in a Lesnar fight.

3. He did mention alot of people kissing Vince's ass, but that's all been done before. Per the storyline, Bastisa basically said the same thing about Cena, before he left. Again, that was part of that storyline. Also bitching about The Rock would be an easy way to get extra heat. Something Punk is good at.

4. He gave partial blame to his departure to Stephanie and Vince's doofus son-in-law. Everyone know's it HHH in real life, but on WWE TV, they always danced around that issue like an on going joke. Why wouldn't CM Punk say "HHH"?

5. Most important...Why allow CM Punk to have a live mic after the match at all? If he was due to have some lines..the first sign he was going away from the script, they would have cut him off. I've heard that Vince is HUGE on word-for-word on the scripts.

 

[Lilio]

I definitely think that CM Punk's promo was a work. There is little doubt about it in my mind.

Because, if you just look at everything Vince McMahon has done to put some drama (and thus, a good show) into the WWE I really wouldn't put it beyond him to let Punk do something like that.

Compared to things like the "kiss my ass club" in where he flaunted his ass on the TV screen and forced other wrestlers to kiss it, having Muhammad Hassan be a wrestler after 9/11. He even took the IRL drama of Matt Hardy, Lita and Edge and turned that into a fued because he knew that it would generate attention.

Keeping those things in mind, having Punk say some things that a lot of wrestling fans already know and feel, isn't really that big of a deal.

 

[byrnside]

Hard to believe some of you are still considering this to be real, but I digress. Hopefully they can use this momentum to keep Punk around after his contract expires. I'm also hoping that they are smart enough to use this as the time to boost Punk into a modern Stone Cold-esque character, a loner that speaks his mind and would attack anyone or do anything to prove he is the best. Now I'll admit that I've been a fan of Punk's for a couple years now. I've been slowly coming round to Punk since his heel turn in 2009. I've always been a sucker for a damn good heel. It takes a great athlete and a believable speaker. C.M. Punk is both of those things. After seeing him perform in person at Wrestlemania and now this promo, it's safe to say he is one of the best.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Punk's promo on Raw this past Monday was brilliant, there's no doubt about that. The content was shocking, Punk's delivery was fantastic, and you could really feel his anger. Punk was in a rage, and he did a great job of showing some raw emotion.

When I first read about Punk's departure, it didn't concern me too much. I just thought "Oh well. He's leaving for a while, but I'm sure he'll be back." Punk's impending exit was in the back of my mind, and I wasn't too concerned about it. But the promo from Raw, and Punk's vow to leave with the WWE Championship has raised my interest level for this feud.

The clean cut face of the company will square off against the angry and outspoken rebel. This match up should be epic, and I can't wait to see it. I'm sure Punk and Cena will have a good match at MITB, and the live crowd will be in Punk's corner, and I do expect an intense and hostile environment. Cena should receive a venomous reaction, and some loud "FUCK YOU CENA!" chants wouldn't surprise me.

Punk had an outstanding run as a heel in 2009. His feud with Jeff Hardy was great, but his momentum came to a halt, when he lost the WHC to Taker at the HIAC pay per view. Punk was on a roll, and he really could've used that win. The feud with Mysterio last year was also high quality, and the matches were superb. Punk is more than capable of being a top heel in WWE, and once he returns, he should get his chance at the main event spotlight again.

 

[LSN80]

The thing that really caught me off guard here was Punk's eyes. While there's no doubt in my mind that this was a complete work, it was apparent that everything Punk said he truly believed. He delivered said promo with such venom yet control that truly shows how masterful he is on the microphone, and exposes the gap between himself and the other heels on the roster in terms of believability. This was Punk being Punk while fully in character, an amazing feat.

While I always anticipate Raw, this leaves me excited for a "where do they go next?" element that I haven't felt in some time. I have no idea or insider knowledge as to the true situation surrounding his contract, but this could make for an amazing ride along the way if he truly is departing. The last time I personally saw a work come off so cleanly as a shoot since the Owen Hart/Shawn Michaels match. Everything about it was done perfectly, even with the cutting of his mic and going to black before he could say more.

This, dare I say it, is the PPV Im anticipating most since Wrestlemania 26 for the HBK/Taker match. Of all places, the PPV will obviously be taking place in Punk's hometown of Chicago, which could lead to a very hostile crowd for Cena. I wouldnt be surprised to see Punk win the title, getting his moment in front of his home crowd, and then being cashed in on immediately following. Regardless of the scenario, and how it plays out, Punk has ensured its going to be a heckuva ride, and that he's a must in terms of re-signing eventually.

 

[dansaint]

I do think Punk wins the title because I firmly believe that Punk has either resigned a contract or has signed an extension until September or October.

And I also don't see anyone successfully cashing in on him because that would set up Punk/Cena at SummerSlam where you could see Rock make an appearance since he lives just outside of LA and really have some conflict between three. And SummerSlam is a bigger stage to allow a cash in by someone (Del Rio)...plus I think if you did a cash in on Punk...in Chicago (which i'll be at MITB)...it could lead to a very uneasy situation because I do think you could see a near riot.

Anyway...glad to see WWE taking a chance with a "real" storyline. It could really pay dividends.

 

[slimmshady]

We know that Punk will somehow be tied into the money in the bank ppv, but I have this weird feeling that something shocking will happen. We can list the number of possibilities where this story could go but what happens if punk wins the wwe title? If wwe are really willing to think outside the box and progress this storyline, we could potentially see punk leaving as wwe champion and then maybe defending the wwe title at ROH or New japan pro wrestling. This would be a history defying moment for sure. Something that would truely shock the pro wrestling industry. We all know that punk is the right person to carry this through. It's all on how far Vince is willing to go with this. We know how good wwe have become at screwing up potential storylines - just look at Nexus. But surely that won't happen again? Will it?

 

[Notorious718]

Punk's promo really had me wondering for the first time in a long time where they go from there. While I initially thought the promo was a shoot, watching it again and again made me think it was a work. Otherwise, it probably wouldn't have gone as long as it did. Work or shoot though, I thought it was arguably the realest and most attention grabbing promo as of late. While I do believe the promo was a work, I'm positive that Punk was also speaking from the heart and airing his true feelings about his position in the company and the fact that he really isn't marketed nearly as much as John Cena or Randy Orton. Watching his promo really showed me that there really is almost no one on the current WWE roster who can touch Punk in terms of cutting an engaging promo and in overall in-ring prowess. In fact, it only made me want to see Punk stay with the WWE even more. Will he really be leaving? Someone who many of us have seen as a TREMENDOUS asset to the company? We won't know until after MITB but I do know that this is probably the first feud that I've been so emotionally invested in in a very long time.