Brock Lesnar WWE World Heavyweight Championship Run Thread

[Navi]

In before that other guy. Steve Austin > Brock Lesnar.

Sorry couldn't resist. Anyway on topic, I agree with you. It sucks that the title is sitting on a ranch somewhere in the midwest doing absolutely not a Goddamm thing.

We should have it defended on every PPV, but no they are trying to elevate it. Elevate it to what I have no idea, the last time it was defended in a rematch, Lesnar got his ass kicked by Cena. So the unstoppable force, the beast incarnate took it and went home, so now we can't have it anymore. It's bullshit and the sooner it gets taken off him the better for us. The whole thing just pisses me off, and I said so before, so I'll stop now.

 

[The Boss]

Under the circumstances with all of the faces out of commission and fans just sick of Cena there really is only one person that they can build a story for and be ready in time for WrestleMania. That man is HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN. I don't care what the haters say. He is the man for the job.

 

[FlairFan2003]

Even during the Hulk Hogan era, when he rarely wrestled a full time schedule and often went more than a month between defenses, he was still a constant presence via promos on TV and did all the big shows and events. Hogan in the 80s was the last "part time champ" WWE really had, but he was more of a presence by a wide margin than Lesnar.

It's harder to build yourself as an unbeatable "bad@#$" when in fact you don't wrestle. Under those circumstances it would be easier to build him as a chickensh#@ coward who hides every chance he gets, at least with his schedule that would be believable. It's not what WWE wants though.

 

[Navi]

Under the circumstances with all of the faces out of commission and fans just sick of Cena there really is only one person that they can build a story for and be ready in time for WrestleMania. That man is HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN. I don't care what the haters say. He is the man for the job.

All the faces aren't out of commission. Orton, Ambrose, Sheamus are still around. Of course Cena is too. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Just for my own curiousity, how would see this match going down? I see it this way. From his medical condition, one suplex, Hogan would break in half and it would be the fastest win on record.

 

[Reflection]

I look at it the opposite way. After conquering the streak and owning the champ, Brock Lesnar is so much higher than the other top-tier talents that he doesn't even consider it important to defend his title each month. The wrestlers too are aware of this, and they competed in an unforgiving match like Hell in a Cell to determine which of them was the most suited just to have a shot at the beast's title. Brock's absence is actually increasing the value of the title. It is so important that the mediocre wrestlers (and us unworthy fans) don't even get to see it, let alone challenge for it.

 

[roipdh123]

In my opinion there are some possibilities right now:

Underdog story:
Roman Reigns
Dean Ambrose
Seth Rollins
Daniel Bryan
Dolph Ziggler
RyBack
Cesaro

That story will feature the underdog guy beat lesnar only to get cashed in by Rollins who will succesfully win the title. Except for Rollins who will cash in for a title shot at Mania ahead of time ans make the match a triple threat and win.

Revenge Story:
Undertaker
The Rock
John Cena
Hulk Hogan

All of them have their reasons to get back at Lesnar so that will be the main part of the story.

Never Before:
Batista
Randy Orton
Sheamus

Each of these options can work in it's own way. My 2 favorites are Ambrose and Taker (in order).

 

[Aquaman6686]

In my opinion the only logical choice is to have Undertaker beat Lesnar for the title, clean and by submission, at WrestleMania 31, and then retire the following night, setting up for either Roman Reigns or Daniel Bryan to win a tournament for the vacant championship. After the career he's had, the Undertaker's final moment in a WWE ring shouldn't be walking up the ramp as a defeated old man, but as The Phenom. All these fans whining about how Lesnar shouldn't lose because that's not "realistic" or "he wouldn't lose to so-and-so in a legit fight" need to realize that this isn't UFC, it's WWE, and that shouldn't be a factor. Undertaker needs to be the one to beat Brock Lesnar and avenge the end of The Streak.

 

[berlinbrawler]

The problem is the WWE currently doesn't have anyone who realy should beat Lesnar.

Some say Roman Reigns. I say he isn't anywhere close to ready.
Some call for Dean Ambrose. Same problem as Reigns.

Yet others want Hulk Hogan. ......

They mention Daniel Bryan. Well. I suppose he would have to be a candidate. I'm actually a big fan, not one of the Bryan-nay-sayers, but I just can't imagine a match in which Bryan beats Lesnar without it looking and feeling completely ridiculous. Dare I say it? it would seem FAKE.

Randy Orton is a candidate. Ugh. Just typing this makes me tired. I can't decide what would annoy me more - Orton or Cena. I'm sure they can build this up. Orton turns face, challenges Lesnar, yada yada. It's definitely a possibility, but one I would hate.

Of course, if all options fall through, it just might be one John Cena. Sure, he could do it. It would be underwhelming, boring, predictable, anti-climactic, tedious, aggravating and frustrating, but it would not be ridiculous. And it would put the WWE in its comfort zone, and boy, do they love being there.

Last Option: The guy with the briefcase. Have Cena or Orton do all the work and have Seth Rollins steal it away. Not ideal, and Rollins is about as ready as his other former Shield colleagues (slightly less, actually), but he's got that plot device thingy with the briefcase that gives him the edge. That way they can steer the title away from Lesnar. Orton beats Lesnar, Rollins steals the belt, Orton and Lesnar aren't yet finished with each other and the title is among the "normal" guys again. I would say this is the best option, but I don't see Rollins going to Wrestlemania as champion. Again - not ready.


Sooo, where does that leave us? ... I would choose Daniel Bryan. It may be ridiculous, but I would prefer ridicuous to the other options. Realistically speaking, however, I expect Cena to be the one. When in doubt the WWE almost always goes with their sure thing. Screw progress. Screw risks. Cenaaaaaaaa

 

[The Boss]

All the faces aren't out of commission. Orton, Ambrose, Sheamus are still around. Of course Cena is too. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Orton is not a face (yet). Ambrose and Sheamus are just mid carders. Yeah I know Sheamus is a former multi-time World champion but he was a big yawn who diluted the prestige of the championships in order to get a cheap push. He wouldn't make a good opponent for Lesnar at WrestleMania. A better role for him would be the challenger to feed Brock to further build him before he eventually loses the title.

Just for my own curiousity, how would see this match going down?

I see it going down just like this: http://hulkhoganhistory.weebly.com/...ng-hulk-hogan-vs-brock-lesnar-wrestlemania-31

I see it this way. From his medical condition, one suplex, Hogan would break in half and it would be the fastest win on record.

Actually, next to basic soft bumps, the German suplex is the best bump he could take because it protects your lower back and would allow HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN to take the bump on his upper back, shoulders and neck where he is still strong.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Before you say oh it is something NEw the WWE is trying, guess what your wrong the Rock won the title @ the Rumble 2013 then sat on it until Wrestlemania not wrestling a single match. But what was the difference, we saw the Rock on the titan tron grab the mic and slam Cena, We got to here rock build the feud strong for a few month. The Rock didn't have Heyman's hand shoved up his Hind area so he could get him to talk.

The Rock retained against Punk at Elimination Chamber. He worked 3 straight PPVs. Brock hasn't done that since returning in 2012. So yeah, this is something new they're trying. And I think it's sucking and hurting the product. Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins should have been a main event for the WWE Championship. Survivor Series should be headlined with Seth retaining against #1 Contender John Cena. They have a fresh batch of main eventers who need to be in the title picture ASAP unless they want to risk missing the mark.

Honestly, Bray Wyatt should have been World Champion in the Spring. He was HOT. Everybody was eating out of his hands. When someone is so on fire, you gotta give him his due. Jericho returned just to feud with him. It should've been for the title.

Dean and Seth are putting on the best work since Bryan's matches last year. Their match at Hell in a Cell should have been a title bout.

I feel like we're in the midst of 1998, and WWE is running with Rock/Mankind in all the main events, but keeping the title on the shelf until Austin returns. That is just damn stupid.

 

[NegativeFeedback]

Honestly, it should be Dolph Ziggler. He's a guy they can build around. He can be their CM Punk if they let him. He's been here for 8 years and can easily do 5 more. He's a company guy through and through and they should give him his do. I can see him being huge if they just fucking let him. When he turned face he was almost immediately downgraded to the midcard. He was never allowed to grow as a crowd favorite at the top. I'm hoping this latest feud with the Authority changes that, but I'm not banking on it.

As for a more realistic pick, I'd say Dean Ambrose. He's another guy who I can see the dominating the top of the card, although I do think his schtick will get old when overexposed. I can definitely see him being a top heel whenever he turns on the crowd. Ambrose vs. Ziggler could be a huge feud if they let it happen.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Honestly, it should be Dolph Ziggler. He's a guy they can build around. He can be their CM Punk if they let him. He's been here for 8 years and can easily do 5 more. He's a company guy through and through and they should give him his do. I can see him being huge if they just fucking let him. When he turned face he was almost immediately downgraded to the midcard. He was never allowed to grow as a crowd favorite at the top. I'm hoping this latest feud with the Authority changes that, but I'm not banking on it.

As for a more realistic pick, I'd say Dean Ambrose. He's another guy who I can see the dominating the top of the card, although I do think his schtick will get old when overexposed. I can definitely see him being a top heel whenever he turns on the crowd. Ambrose vs. Ziggler could be a huge feud if they let it happen.

Sadly, Vince will never allow Dolph Ziggler to be a top star. I truly believe Vince has some sort of personal vendetta against him. He was THE most over babyface in the company in the first half of 2013, despite being a heel, and after turning face the only person in the company who could touch him in popularity was Daniel Bryan. I think Vince saw Dolph Ziggler as an obstacle to Daniel Bryan's push and deliberately killed his momentum by turning him into a jobber. In 2014 Ziggler was still one of the most over babyfaces, and after Bryan got hurt Ziggler was the best choice to replace him, but Triple H had his heart set on Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, his "pet projects" from NXT, so Ziggler was shoved to the side again. I don't think Ziggler will ever be the top star he's meant to be. He could be this generation's Shawn Michaels, I think he's the best overall talent they've had since HBK retired, but he's treated more as a generic midcarder.

 

[yur_momma]

here is one possible scenario id consider:

jan:
reigns returns but too late to be in the royal rumble. the authority give him challenges over the next two weeks and he grudgingly earns a spot in the rumble but he is placed in the 1-10 slot.
orton (babyface, left authority) beats rollins (heel, in authority) at the royal rumble (still holding mitb)
lesnar beats cena. at the end rollins comes down teasing cashing in mitb and making the match a 3way but only after cena and lesnar have drastically worn themselves out. cena "never backs down" so he begs rollins to do it. meanwhile heyman screams for lesnar to attack and he does. cena loses. lesnar leaves the champ and rollins standing over cena taunting him until orton makes the save.

reigns wins the royal rumble after entering in the first five spots or so.

wrestlemania:
rollins beats orton
cena beats ??
lesnar beats reigns after all the build and hype. reigns worked on lesnars weak spot, his mid section, the entire match, even connecting with multiple "spears", and lesnar is hurt bad. he is very slow getting up and heyman checks on him. he appears to be waving for help but instead rollins comes out. he cashes in mitb and wins the title and heyman surprisingly turns on lesnar. seems heyman and rollins, always the one to "sell out", have been conspiring since the royal rumble. authority is pissed because rollins broke plan and now they are left without orton and rollins and the championship.


something like that.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

I have got to agree with Smarky Mark Smark Madden right there. I don't even own a TV. I don't have access to Broadband anymore and so, I can't really "catch up" with WWE programming on youtube, since I don't have the patience nor equanimity to wait while it buffers. But even reading results on WZ and glimpsing through the discussions, I have come to feel that the Title seems so much more intriguing, precious, and chase-worthy now. I don't remember the last time the world title seemed so. But one thing's for sure, unlike all those painful months from 2005, 2006, 2007,.........., with John Cena defending the title every ppv and being present on every goddamn show, Brock Lesnar makes for an awesome champion, irrespective of how much he sucks on the mic. Hey, I don't even mind it. In fact, he's more interesting solely because he's a beast who cannot be eloquent and verbose, but when he shows up, it's "show time". I'd take that over Hustle, Loyalty and Cena crap....any day.

 

[BigDaddyKewl]

I know it's unlikely but I hope to see Ryback vs Brock Lesnar before Lesnar retires. Ryback recently returned as a face and seems to be building momentum again. He has some history with Heyman being a former Paul Heyman guy. He's also one the few who can match up physically with Lesnar and look like a credible threat. They could make a it a street fight to help hide both there limitations. I was hoping to see this match at Wrestlemania 29 when Ryback was at the height of his popularity but better late than never.

 

[Ric 'The Nature Boy' Flair]

I'm not sure if you heard..........but reports indicate CM Punk could be making a return................keep that in mind

 

[stonecoldhell]

Brock Lesnar is what's wrong with this company.

He's not a fighting champion.

Sitting at home, and taking the money and the time from the real stars.

 

[OYDK]

Wah wah wah, so we don't get a title defense for a few months. In the 80's and early 90's, the WWF title was basically defended 4-5 times a year, only at PPV's and imo, this was when the belt was at it's most important. People can bitch about Lesnar holding the title and not defending it, but how often do you people think Hulk Hogan defended the title throughout his 4 year title reign? Also, who really cares? Whether you're favorite guys are wrestling with a title or not, they're still there every night. You know Brock Lesnar will drop the title either at or before Mania and IF the title were still around today, the champ would either be Cena or Orton so what are you really missing?

I honestly think this is the best time to have Lesnar as champion. You still need time for basically ALL of your young guys (Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, Harper, Barrett, Cesaro, etc.) to take that next step and once Mania season is over, I believe they will have taken that step and WWE will have a crop of new World title contenders.

Also, the people who cheer for Lesnar are not the "problem". Brock Lesnar is a heel and he's obviously getting some massive heel heat (from people like you) so obviously WWE is going to shove him down our throats. I thought you would have learned from John Cena that any reaction is a good reaction in the WWE's eyes. If you really want Brock Lesnar off your TV, you'll probably want to just, yknow, ignore him? All you're doing by making a thread like this is proving why Brock Lesnar is champion right now.

 

[Boxhead333]

I think it has to be Roman Reigns. I don't think they're going to throw away the rub someone would get for beating Lesnar on someone like Cena or Orton. They should use this opportunity to build a new star. Dean Ambrose would be awesome, but he just doesn't win enough to be considered a threat to Lesnar. I'm a big Reigns fan, he is still a little green. But I've seen people a lot worse get pushed a lot faster. He's been in the WWE two years, by Wrestlemania he should be ready. And the main reason for this is because of how strongly he's been booked. He's been booked as an unstoppable juggernaut. He steamrolls the competition and looks very dominant. The same can be said for Lesnar. As much as I like him, people wouldn't buy Dean Ambrose beating Lesnar. Or Daniel Bryan or Seth Rollins either. Reigns is really the only logical choice in my opinion.

 

[sMark]

I was thinking what they need to do to convince most of the fans that Reigns is a serious threat to Lesnar, and i came up with this:
1) preparation:
a) Reigns need to change his attire to something more revealing - to show his great shape, i think something like Bobby Lasley's WWE attire should work very well
b) Mark Henry need to beat Big Show clean and sweet and join The Authority and continue to llok dominant until Regns' return, maybe having a match vs Cena at TLC, Cena should win, but his victory should look as really hard one - not able to wake up on his own unlike Henry, who still have some energy in him to give Cena one more World Strongest Slam & big splash. Next RAW Cena should appear with his ribs taped and be demolished by Henry's sneak attack again...so Cena won the match on paper, but Henry look the real winner and stronger than ever, Cena is also protected for his match against Lesnar (his ribs still broken so he is not 100%)

2) Reigns' build up.
a) Lesnar won his match against broken ribs Cena at RR
b) Mark Henry is eliminated by Reigns in RR match, so they start a feud - enter pose downs, test of stregth, handicap matches and other things to convince people that Reigns as powerfull and good as Mark Henry is, of course at Fast Line these 2 will have a match where Heyman (or better - Brock) will be at ring side watching it, Reigns will win a test of stregth against World Strongest Man and beat him in convincing fashion, Lesnar should be shocked looking...so in fans' heads Reigns now is overpowered World Strongest Man who took John Cena to a limit but lost to Roman, maybe Reigns ia as good as Cena is?

3) WM is soon
week 1) Henry will demand a rematch, saying he wasn't on his best last night and it could be a fluke, Reigns will be glad to obligate it and Authority will add strap rules to this one, so Reigns can once again show that he is stronger than Henry and beat him clean.
after the match Brock will run in and F5 Roman
week 2) Lesnar & Heyman open RAW all smiling and replaying how Brock F5 this Reigns guy. Reigns music hit, and Roman run in to the ring, Brock run out, but Heyman is slow and become Superman Punch's victim. Brock took Heyman's body, having staredown in a process. Henry trying to attack from behind but get another Superman Punch from reigns.
week 3) Reigns will face Henry & Kane tonight in a handicap match...of course he will win with a little help from Kane's WM opponent (whoever this is). Heyman (with the black eye) will watching and commentate.
...
final week) Contract signing that will end up in a big brawl that Brock will escape with Reigns staying tall in the ring with "belt will be mine" taunts

What you think guys? Will it work?

 

[Mustang Sally]

I think John Cena is the one who can and the one who should be in there with Brock at the biggest show of the year. Yes, all the negative stuff constantly brought up about him casts doubt on what the company might want to do with him but he's still, by far, the #1 performer and personality in WWE and I celebrate each time he ascends to the world title, unlike many of you.

My alternative pick is Roman Reigns. I believe he might have been on the path to do the deed with Brock at WM31....but his injury really gummed up the works, forcing the company to alter all their plans. I think Reigns star would have risen so high by then that the allure of Lesnar-Reigns would have been irresistible.

Reigns is big enough and tough enough to be seen as a credible opponent for Brock......and except for Cena, who else would be?

Big Show or Mark Henry? At Wrestlemania.....are you kidding? They have the size but not the allure. Dean Ambrose or Seth Rollins? They have the allure but not the size.

Don't talk to me about Daniel Bryan. As much as many of you feel he has magic, I believe he would look so ridiculous standing in the ring with Lesnar that it would make the match a non-event on WM31 night, regardless of how it had been built up over the months. Daniel would lose....lock, stock & Brock.

So, if Roman Reigns can come back soon enough and the publicity machine could build the match to fever pitch, he might very well be the one in the ring against Brock. But if he can't, I'd love to watch Cena win the rubber match with Lesnar.

Cena did an amazing thing for a #1 guy, losing cleanly to Brock in their first match (Can you imagine Hulk Hogan doing that, when he was the man?) But you don't really think Cena is going to finish second best in the long run, do you?

 

[Kizzani]

The Rock retained against Punk at Elimination Chamber. He worked 3 straight PPVs. Brock hasn't done that since returning in 2012. So yeah, this is something new they're trying. And I think it's sucking and hurting the product.

I stand corrected he did retain the following month. I do apologize for give incorrect information. I do agree it hurts the product.

I look at it the opposite way. After conquering the streak and owning the champ, Brock Lesnar is so much higher than the other top-tier talents that he doesn't even consider it important to defend his title each month.

People have beat the Undertaker before, sure not at Wrestlemania but that is one event, and after a certain point the taker only wrestled at Mania so he had an entire year to prepare for one single match. Brock Beating the streak of a 50 year old man is by far more of a joke than a talent. It would be the same as Cain Velasquez (32) beating Ken Shamrock (50) but that match will NEVER happen because it is a farce.

At this moment you should be getting ready a rebuttal about UFC is real and WWE is entertainment. In which I would just lead into no shit, but what is entertaining about listening to Paul Hymen ( yes I slept it that way on purpose) repeat the same old bullshit story over and over again and never see or hear from the actual champ even if it is a pathetic attempt at using a microphone. This isn't real fighting this is entertainment....if your not entertaining then your only world wrestling....oh but now you not even wrestling.

Since Lesnar return He has only beaten Cena, Taker, Show and Triple H ( but note Cena and Triple H also beat him) So unless you want to go back nearly 10 years Lesnar has far from dominated the top tier the talent in the WWE. Regins, Ambrose, Orton, Batista, The Rock, Wyatt, Kane, Bryan and Rollins are all unbeaten by Lesnar (If you bring up he past WWE Runs and people he has beaten like Orton I am going to slap you with Brian Kendrick who is 1-0 vs Lesnar along with 1 legged man Zach gowan....Oh but they don't wrestle anymore.....Well then I slap you with his draw vs Stepahine McMahon)

The wrestlers too are aware of this, and they competed in an unforgiving match like Hell in a Cell to determine which of them was the most suited just to have a shot at the beast's title. Brock's absence is actually increasing the value of the title.

The fact is Lesnar is FAR from dominate he can only beat 4 superstars and of those 4, 2 of them have come back to beat him. To say Brock Lesnar and is absence is actually increasing the value of the title is crap and you know it.

Micheal Jordan, Joe Montana, Ric Flair, John Cena, Hulk Hogan, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle......These are true champions they didn't win 1 or 2 championships and then retire or quit playing, no they kept going and going proving they are the best and the top of the food chain. all od the above mentioned people will or have gone down as some of the best players in their perspective sports. Brock Lesnar will NEVER go down as the best at anything.

Joined WWE did it for a few years....then he quit
Joined NFL....then he quit
Joined UFC.....then he quit
Joined the WWE.....Sooner the wwe will understand he is worth less than 1/8 of his price tag and they will let him go.

It is so important that the mediocre wrestlers (and us unworthy fans) don't even get to see it, let alone challenge for it.

Mediocre wrestlers like who?
Randy Orton Youngest champion of all time, 8 times a world champion.
Triple H Easily one of the best of All time is far from Mediocre
Bray Wyatt Has beat John Cena which puts him near the top if that is all Brock Lesnar needed to do to be considered good.
Rusev Is on a monster role, without any losses, no one know how he will fair once he does but never been pinned seems more than mediocre to me.
Rollins Is poised to jump on to the champion with his case, now I would not put him at the top of the top tier guys he would be the last in the list but how can he cash in his MITB title match if the current Bitch holding the title is in a cave hiding from competition?
Cena Currently the #1 contender, I can't remember the last time we crowned a #1 contender for ANY title and the champion didn't come out and at least say a few words.....Until now.
Now I get it Brock can't say a few words without Paul Hymen, Because I have never seen the dummies talk without the ventriloquists.

As for the Unworthy fans....The only unworthy fans are those of Brock Lesnar, he is the FIRST non fighting champion the WWE has ever seen...or not seen since he can't get on TV.

I don't even own a TV. I don't have access to Broadband anymore and so, I can't really "catch up" with WWE programming on youtube, since I don't have the patience nor equanimity to wait while it buffers. But even reading results on WZ and glimpsing through the discussions, I have come to feel that the Title seems so much more intriguing, precious, and chase-worthy now.

So you provide NO rating boost in any format, You don't watch the shows you just read a few websites based via opinions of the writers. I guess Maybe if the WWE was a Book sure it might seem like a better thing. So lets try and see how it would work.
Grab a book like Game of Thrones and don't read ANY chapter about Trion and let me know what you think.
The WWE champion is the Main Character ( as it were to pertain to a book) How about a TV show, lets kill of Jack Buaer from 24...how good would that show be?
How about a Movie? Let Kill off Luke Skywalker in the first 3 minutes of Star Wars.....Hmm now how does the movie look?
Chase for what the title....we have a #1 contender....Guess what No title match for the #1 Contender.....now how does the WWE push it if Cena actually loses a match before his title shot? Do we have a new #1 contender? If not why? He beat the the Current guy....

Rollins is sitting on a briefcase that is obsolete since he can't fight the champ since he the champ is hiding under Paul Hymen's desk....nom nom nom.

I don't remember the last time the world title seemed so. But one thing's for sure, unlike all those painful months from 2005, 2006, 2007,.........., with John Cena defending the title every ppv and being present on every goddamn show.

You won the most prestigious title in the WWE, Why would you not want to show it off? Sure I hate John Cena just as much as the next guy, and yes I bitched every time he won and won and won.But how can he be faulted because no one else wants to step up. Cena has answered more Make a wish foundation calls than ANYONE ever all while working a 300+ day schedule and making movies. Not like other people NFL,NBA,MLB players etc who make more than double and sometimes TRIPLE his salary and work less than 1/2 of his time. Plus being a Husband,Working out, Doing interviews, videos, etc etc. The guys is doing everything and helping so many. ( doesn't change my opinion I hat seeing him with the title) But I want to see a champion fight for his title.

Brock Lesnar makes for an awesome champion, irrespective of how much he sucks on the mic. Hey, I don't even mind it. In fact, he's more interesting solely because he's a beast who cannot be eloquent and verbose, but when he shows up, it's "show time". I'd take that over Hustle, Loyalty and Cena crap....any day.

Awesome Champion? Put down the crack pipe and go buy a TV. You obviously have missed his last few matches.
30 Suplexes and a few F5's, People say cena can't wrestle with his five moves.....Brock has 3 moves...far less wrestling.
He looks like a beast I will give you that....and your correct about his speaking.....But then you say when he shows up it is showtime? Again BUY A TV.....there is Now show in this horse, 3-5 moves at max if you count punches, kicks and pinning as moves.

And it is Obvious that is you think Lesnar is an Awesome champion, that you HATE Loyalty, Hustle and Respect.

Hustle (putting aside the ghetto tear down of this word, I think of playing ball coaches wanted us to hustle: Move or act energetically not...stealing or scamming)
Many wrestlers do this they get in the ring and just keep going, not stand around doing one suplex then waiting 3 minutes taunting...Lesnar has NO HUSTLE.
Respect Lesnar does not respect anything, especially fans, the business, or the entertainment of pro wrestling.

Loyalty And this is the reason I despise Brock Lesnar. He has NO loyalty to his fans, his job, or anything he does. No Loyalty to the WWE hence him quitting and going to other companies ( who didn't cater to his doucheyness....So he went to play NFL football in which he stunk it up. (unless you watched Vikings mini camp and preseason you have no clue how bad he looked. Wrestling is my second favorite sport Football gets all my time. I am thankful Football season is having off season during Mania or I would miss it.)
So he QUIT trying. He said it made him happy playing football.....But he was cut from the Vikings after the 4th preseason game ( other teams would have grabbed him...but he quit....NO LOYALTY.)
He went to UFC as soon as he lost He QUIT. ( who is undefeated in any MMA world...NO ONE...but others keep trying)

 

[Mustang Sally]

Brock Lesnar is what's wrong with this company.

He's not a fighting champion.

Sitting at home, and taking the money and the time from the real stars.

The thing is, I wouldn't say that describes what's wrong with Brock.....it might be what's wrong with the way WWE decided to handle Brock.

If my employer came to me and offered a deal in which I would work 3 times a year instead of 6 days a week, 49 weeks a year.....and pay me so much money that I could fill a swimming with the cash....I'd have a hard time declining.

I don't know what Brock's contract looks like; not only how much he's paid, but the details of his other stipulations, but I would wager the rest of the locker room hates it. The Brock Lesnar Effect, in addition to how Brock handles it, must have created a new atmosphere in the rest of the company, who have to wonder how one person can be treated so differently than everyone else.

The number of title defenses in a year? Sure, that's one factor, but a new corporate policy that sets one set of rules for Brock and another set for everyone has the potential to alter the entire attitude of an organization in the long run. The rank and file might be afraid to say too much out loud, but this type of thing that sometimes has a subtle effect that eats away at morale.

 

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Wah wah wah, so we don't get a title defense for a few months. In the 80's and early 90's, the WWF title was basically defended 4-5 times a year, only at PPV's and imo, this was when the belt was at it's most important. People can bitch about Lesnar holding the title and not defending it, but how often do you people think Hulk Hogan defended the title throughout his 4 year title reign? Also, who really cares? Whether you're favorite guys are wrestling with a title or not, they're still there every night. You know Brock Lesnar will drop the title either at or before Mania and IF the title were still around today, the champ would either be Cena or Orton so what are you really missing?

I honestly think this is the best time to have Lesnar as champion. You still need time for basically ALL of your young guys (Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, Harper, Barrett, Cesaro, etc.) to take that next step and once Mania season is over, I believe they will have taken that step and WWE will have a crop of new World title contenders.

Also, the people who cheer for Lesnar are not the "problem". Brock Lesnar is a heel and he's obviously getting some massive heel heat (from people like you) so obviously WWE is going to shove him down our throats. I thought you would have learned from John Cena that any reaction is a good reaction in the WWE's eyes. If you really want Brock Lesnar off your TV, you'll probably want to just, yknow, ignore him? All you're doing by making a thread like this is proving why Brock Lesnar is champion right now.

Back in the early 90's there was only up to 5 PPV's a year, so that point is moot.

It would also be nice to have the title here so some of these new guys could possibly get a chance to maybe go for it. Lesnar doesn't look like an unstoppable heel, he looks like a coward sitting at home. This isn't the UFC no matter how the McMahon's and some fans want it to look that it is.

 

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It's easy to blame Lesnar and to an extent it is deserved, but he didn't create the situation WWE finds itself in with him, he just took full advantage.

Lesnar was ALWAYS a mercenary from the day he signed his massive developmental deal, with the condition his roommate from College was also hired (Shelton Benjamin), Brock was calling the shots from the very beginning and WWE, rightly or wrongly played his game.

Fast forward when he signed his most recent deal, he screwed them down for the maximum cash for the fewest dates, they want more they have to pay more and "ask", they can't option it. Again you can blame him if you like, but WWE could have balked, they didn't and now they have this situation.

Hogan wasn't as "active" as you all think he was in the 90's, he'd show up, do a bunch of pre-taped "Mean Gene" interviews once a month and wrestle at the Garden and the odd other show on the loop. They could spread those pretapes over several weeks as PPV's were fewer and further between, with at Hulkamania's peak it being quarterly with the odd SNME in between. The problem today is Brock is running less than that, in a WWE where they are still going for Monthly events and 2 shows a week, the concept of a champion not appearing as often is fine...but you need to be able to "option" or compell that champ to appear whenever needed...not be at the mercy of a number of dates.

JR summed it up this week, either Brock signs a WWE friendly deal NOW, or he drops the belt by the Rumble and is jettisoned. He's had it his own way too long and if he wants the gravy train to continue then Brock needs to start playing the game with WWE... He will figure "UFC will take me back on the same schedule and more money..." and they will, but as proven in the past, Brock's record is not the best... he could lose in the first match and it's gone... all the aura, all the hype and all the interest...and WWE wouldn't have him back on his terms then... only their terms...and he'd job forever.

Once Brock is out of the picture, there is scope to make the title a bigger deal with fewer defences and changes. The champ should appear, but not wrestle as often or the odd "non-title" match or tag main event etc... On paper someone like Jericho is ideal with name recognition, happier to work a part time schedule but fit around the needs of the company. While they seem set on a Reigns or the like, Jericho winning the title and holding it for 6 months to a year would work... because once he does lose it, he can put Reigns or whoever over far stronger than Brock will, when the time comes for him to drop it, he will sulk, be sullen and it won't be a "great match" he proved that with Goldberg, when he's not getting his own way... he sucks.

Jericho wins the belt, defends it say 8 times in one year, then drops it in a retirement match... or goes the Ric Flair route... next loss and it's over. Giving someone else the kind of honor he got with being the first Undisputed champ... that would be far more beneficial to them right now than Brock, Taker win or not... for all they are paying Brock, he isn't actually getting the subscribers up, the money would be better spent on securing the Rock for a period in the same role.

Cena could have been this guy if they hadn't been so intent on shoving him down our throats for 10 years and 15 reigns... he could have had 5 over the 10 years that were all longer, people wouldn't have been as sick of him...same for Orton.