Brock Lesnar WWE World Heavyweight Championship Run Thread

[Jack-Hammer]

If what's going on at upcoming house shows is an indicator, Rusev will be challenging Sheamus for the WWE United States Championship. Personally, I think it's the logical next step for the "Hero of the Russian Federation" in proving Russia's "superiority." It's been a long time since a monster, foreign invader heel has been over, so Rusev capturing the United States Championship, possibly even "renaming" it for a while, would be a great way to generate more heat.

Brock Lesnar is a mercenary in the sense that he doesn't care who he works for or what he does so long as he gets a big paycheck for it. While I've no idea how much he makes, I don't think it's at all unlikely that Lesnar earns mid six figures for every match he wrestles, that's how much he was earning for his fights in the UFC, and I'd say he probably gets somewhere in the mid five figures for each appearance he makes on Raw. What that means is that Lesnar is an expensive commodity that WWE isn't gonna bring out for just anybody. Right now Rusev is firmly planted in the mid-card and MIGHT be the next WWE United States Champion, which I personally believe is exactly where he belongs at this point in time.

Is it a means of turning Brock Lesnar babyface? Possibly, but I don't see it happening. To me, everything about Brock Lesnar screams heel. The way he carries himself, his attitude, Paul Heyman running around as his mouthpiece, that Cro-Magnon looking cranial structure he's got going on just strikes me as a heel. I'm also glad that WWE hasn't gone the route of trying to make Brock Lesnar the "cool heel" that the smarks like to cheer for. Some will cheer for him anyway, especially against John Cena, but WWE hasn't tried to market Lesnar directly towards being appealing to those fans. They've essentially booked Lesnar as an arrogant jerk who wouldn't give a crap if WWE went tits up tomorrow as long as he got paid first, which works because it's probably not very far from the truth.

Nothing wrong with a little fantasy booking, it's fun to share some of the ideas floating around in your noggin. It's just that WWE won't waste an expensive Brock Lesnar wrestling match on a mid-carder.

 

[Mustang Sally]

It's the return of Vladimir Kozlov!!!

If they had built this segment to be an event and got everyone excited over who the mystery person might be, I believe the wrestling community would let their negative feelings be heard all the way to Russia if the guy turned out to be Koslov.

Yes, he's Russian (or plays one on TV ) but one of the reasons he was future endeavored is because no one cared about him when he was here. Let's face it, having Koslov come charging out wouldn't exactly have as much impact as The Outsiders in WCW waiting for their third member to show and having Hulk Hogan come strolling out.

Honestly, I can't think of anyone to ally with Rusev.....if anyone was meant to be a singular force, it's him.....but at any rate, Koslov never made a large enough impression to warrant any excitement. In fact, many might not even remember who he was if he suddenly showed up.

 

[BringThePain834]

I personally couldn't stand watching Kozlov in the ring and him coming back would be painful to watch, especially if he was brought back to be paired to the likes of Rusev. And the fact that he actually got a win over The Undertaker is just even more cringe worthy.

 

[Navi]

Please no in the name of God not Kozlov, Watching paint dry was more exciting than watching him.

As for the the Rusev/Lesnar feud. I'd be down with that. Just seeing Lesnar get the better of Rusev would entertain me greatly. The best would be for Heyman to come out, cut a promo, Lana interrupt and slap him across the face, then Lesnar come out and F5 the pair of them. Now that would be must see TV.

 

[roipdh123]

There had been lots of speculations in the past few weeks about who is the person to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 31 {or before \ after it} and win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

So right your choice in the comments as there are lots of options for this..

 

[LBGetBack]

There had been lots of speculations in the past few weeks about who is the person to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 31 {or before \ after it} and win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

So right your choice in the comments as there are lots of options for this..

Honestly not sure. I think a lot depends on the build and the story and how the fans react to it. I see possibilities but no sure-fire guys at the moment.

Due to that, I have no problem with Lesnar having a LONG reign. This is obviously an unusual reign. Lesnar ended the streak, destroyed Cena, and hardly ever appears on the show. It better be a HUGE deal when he loses it, and therefore it needs to be just right.

Candidates that I see:

Daniel Bryan. Obviously depends on if he can come back healthy and when. But he has the wrestling ability, the fan support, and the story. He's coming back to get the title he never lost. He would be an "underdog" due to his size, but with his technical prowess he could make anyone tap if he catches them, so he's a believable winner as an underdog.

Roman Reigns. Obviously he's getting the monster push. He's got the size, strength, and strong booking. My drawback here is the fans didn't seem to be fully buying in. He's popular but not at a WWE title level. And I'm not sold that he can hold it down in the ring and capable of putting on performances worthy of a champ.

Dean Ambrose. He's over. Incredibly so. He's booked as fearless, crazy, etc. He doesn't win enough, but that can be fixed. I do think this would work, but for whatever reason appears unlikely.


Those are the only real options I see. Absolutely nobody wants to see Cena win it anymore. Same with Orton. There's nobody else.

Also, do not want to see a face win, followed by quick Rollins cash in. Whatever face goes over Lesnar should be getting the major face superstar champion push.

 

[Rayne]

Yeesh. That's a toughie.

In a perfect world, Lesnar would lose the title suddenly on an episode of RAW to huge underdog, but for that to really work you would have had to have him performing on a regular basis, instead of once every two months. Now, every Lesnar match has a huge build for it, and if you tried the out-of-nowhere approach on RAW, it would come of as fairly telegraphed. So that's out.

John Cena overcoming adversity and winning the title from Lesnar at the Royal Rumble has been done a dozen times throughout his career. It's anticlimactic and expected, and where do you go from there? It doesn't seem to set up any must-see Wrestlemania matches. Cena vs. Ambrose or Rollins? You've got the Big Scary Monster- save that for Wrestlemania.

The way I see it playing out is Lesnar beats Cena at the Royal Rumble, with Orton winning the Rumble match itself. Orton's the kind of 'heel' that could make a heel/heel match at Wrestlemania work, and while he wouldn't be turning shake-hands-kiss-babies babyface, the villain aspect of his character would be toned down for the match setup. Orton beats Lesnar at Wrestlemania, and Rollins cashes in his briefcase either immediately after the match or the next night on RAW (the WWE very, very, very rarely has a heel victory ending their big show), providing purpose to the whole slow-burning Orton/Rollins tension.

 

[faltemer]

This sets up an interesting scenario with rollins, since he only has to july to keep the briefcase. So either he fails on someone before then or he succeeds. If lesner keeps it past mania he definitely wont win hsi cash in, but if a face wins at the rumble or mania I could see seth cashing it in right before it expires.

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

Unfortunately WWE can't afford Brock Lesnar at the moment.

He apparently has limited dates on his contract. And apparently his contract ends after WM31. They're allowed to book him for more dates, but those dates are expensive and above and beyond his already lucrative contract. So when they're losing millions of dollars every month... they really just can't afford him.

It's a shame. Was looking forward to title defenses vs Randy Orton, and potentially Daniel Bryan and maybe even Batista. Unfortunately, we get Cena three times and nothing else. They really dropped the ball on his reign.

Roman Reigns is too early to be the champion. He's been a singles competitor for all of two months and he will have no momentum coming into the Royal Rumble. I suspect they'll still use him to take the title off Lesnar, only to have Rollins cash in right away. This let's them build Reigns back up as a chasing babyface with momentum.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

It really is a shame that John Cena faces Brock Lesnar again. Randy Orton or Batista are definitely more ideal choices, because it's fresh and it's unpredictable. I just don't understand why WWE feels the need to build someone as a dominant factor only to have their already-undisputed top star take him down. Anybody but Cena could benefit. Cena goes nowhere with this if he indeed becomes the one to beat Brock Lesnar. It doesn't change his stature. It's this kind of booking that makes me want to avoid WWE World title matches.

 

[sMark]

There only so many peple who will look legit in a match against Lesnar:

- Cena - he is a Terminator like character who was on the top fot 10 years and already have a victory over Brock.

- Daniel Bryan - he have the fan support behind him and he can use his speed, acrobatics and moves arsenal to make it look legit

- The Rock - based on his popularity and strong booking

- Undertaker - as a revenge for his loss at WM 30

Now, if you include possible push, there also can be Orton, Sheamus & Ambrose (with no holds barred rules).

From all these options i should either go with Bryan or Ambrose. But WWE probably will stick to their plan no matter what, even if Reigns is clearly not ready to main event and beat The Beast and need to wait until SummerSlam.

 

[Navi]

Yeesh. That's a toughie.

In a perfect world, Lesnar would lose the title suddenly on an episode of RAW to huge underdog, but for that to really work you would have had to have him performing on a regular basis, instead of once every two months. Now, every Lesnar match has a huge build for it, and if you tried the out-of-nowhere approach on RAW, it would come of as fairly telegraphed. So that's out.

John Cena overcoming adversity and winning the title from Lesnar at the Royal Rumble has been done a dozen times throughout his career. It's anticlimactic and expected, and where do you go from there? It doesn't seem to set up any must-see Wrestlemania matches. Cena vs. Ambrose or Rollins? You've got the Big Scary Monster- save that for Wrestlemania.

The way I see it playing out is Lesnar beats Cena at the Royal Rumble, with Orton winning the Rumble match itself. Orton's the kind of 'heel' that could make a heel/heel match at Wrestlemania work, and while he wouldn't be turning shake-hands-kiss-babies babyface, the villain aspect of his character would be toned down for the match setup. Orton beats Lesnar at Wrestlemania, and Rollins cashes in his briefcase either immediately after the match or the next night on RAW (the WWE very, very, very rarely has a heel victory ending their big show), providing purpose to the whole slow-burning Orton/Rollins tension.

Orton doesn't need to win the Rumble and he shouldn't. He already has a rematch clause from Mania last year that he hasn't used yet. The Rumble winner should be someone who has a lot to gain, not something who already has it in their hands, like a Rollins or an Orton.

Unfortunately WWE can't afford Brock Lesnar at the moment.

He apparently has limited dates on his contract. And apparently his contract ends after WM31. They're allowed to book him for more dates, but those dates are expensive and above and beyond his already lucrative contract. So when they're losing millions of dollars every month... they really just can't afford him.

It's a shame. Was looking forward to title defenses vs Randy Orton, and potentially Daniel Bryan and maybe even Batista. Unfortunately, we get Cena three times and nothing else. They really dropped the ball on his reign.

Roman Reigns is too early to be the champion. He's been a singles competitor for all of two months and he will have no momentum coming into the Royal Rumble. I suspect they'll still use him to take the title off Lesnar, only to have Rollins cash in right away. This let's them build Reigns back up as a chasing babyface with momentum.

No they can't and what a shambles this title reign has been. I've only seen Lesnar like twice since he won. One of them he didn't even get into the ring and the other, he was getting pinned by Cena before Rollins broke it up. Horrible decision to give the title to a part timer and then say you have no one who can beat him. Just awful.

Oh and as for who can beat him, the answer is simple. According to the WWE, no one can. That's why he's not defending it, being booked to defend it and not even showing up to challenge anyone so he can defend it. Lazy bastard.

 

[whoopin' ass]

Has to be someone who has defeated Cena for the title and not faced Brock which leaves a small list. wwe has build Lesnar up as this beast who has demolished the top guys there in Cena and Taker. You have to be careful with who beats him because whoever does that is basically the top guy around. That's where they get themselves in trouble - Reigns wins but needs to lose somewhere so we will say to Rollins so both are elevated. So who beats him? Cena? Orton? Cena lost the title to Brock and couldn't get it back(assuming he loses the rematch) - having him beat the guys who took the title from Lesnar is some screwed booking in my opinion. It undermines Reigns and Rollins to an extent. Because they have booked Lesnar to be such a beast, they need to be careful.

Best storyline - have Taker beat him. Have them do the rematch where loser retires, have Taker win but say it took everything he had to do it and now it is time for him to leave this company to the new guys as he retires. This gets rid of both guys so you don't have that unstoppable champ angle to deal with and allows you to start over. Then you could have Reigns beat Cena if you wanted.

 

[Brushfire]

Roman Reigns.

I know it sounds ridiculous because he's nowhere close to being ready to hold it (I'd still rather have him than the man that shows up once every two months and is carried on the mic by Heyman, mind), but I'd like the scenario that was suggested a couple of posts above. That is, that Reigns wins it, getting a huge rub for being Lesnar, and then is immediately cashed in on by Rollins.

Then we could have Reigns v Rollins at Extreme Rules, and hopefully inject Ambrose into the feud at some point too. I really want all three to be true main eventers and I feel that Ambrose is more likely to be able to get over on his own than Reigns is.

 

[NxtBigThing]

I hope it's not Roman Reigns since even though I like him I think there are two better options.
Option 1 is Dean Ambrose. He is on fire right now and usually gets a great reaction and is currently the #2 guy behind Cena. He is a great wrestler who usually kills it on his promos. While his size might make it look like a mismatch his crazy, lunatic never say die attitude will make it seem like a possibility. Promos leading up to the match between Ambrose and Heymen would be much better in my opinion than Reigns and Heyman. However, I think Ambrose will either be wrestling Rollins or I could see for the IC belt.
Option 2 that I'd like to see would be Cesaro. He is one of the best if not best pure wrestler in WWE right now. It looked like he was getting a big push and all of a sudden he wasn't aligned with Heyman anymore and is sitting at mid card level right now. While he has won matches against both the US and IC champs in non-title matches he can't seem to win in title fights. I really think Lesnar vs Cesaro could have a great storyline if done properly with the focus being on Cesaro and Heyman's past and bringing up how Cesaro can't win in title fights. Cesaro can counter by saying since Heyman left him for Brock all he could focus on was tearing Brock apart. Cesaro has a good built so he won't look super small compared to Brock making it look realistic and with Cesaro's wrestling and strength I think it could be a really good, physical match. The only concern is Cesaro's mic work. While I don't think Cesaro is awful I don't think he can keep up with Heyman so it might be helpful if Cesaro found himself a mouthpiece. While reports keep saying it will be Brock vs Reigns I think WWE should take a second thought and go with either Ambrose or Cesaro.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's really difficult to come up with someone right now. There's still roughly 5 months or so until WrestleMania and any number of things can come about between now and then.

According to most reports over the past several months, the plan is for Roman Reigns to be the one to take the title from Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania XXXI. At the same time, such an idea might ultimately get a lukewarm reception among fans because even though Reigns is over, he's nowhere near over enough, in my opinion, at this point in time to be "the 1 who beat the 1 in 21-1." As a character, inside the ring, on the mic or some combination of any or all of the above, Reigns isn't nearly as strong as Ambrose, Rollins, Cena, Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro or some others.

Also, there's no telling when Daniel Bryan will be returning to action as it seems that doctors have finally decided that he needs another neck surgery. If Bryan returns in time to be part of the Royal Rumble, it won't surprise me at all if fans rally around Bryan just as they did during this year's Royal Rumble and throughout WrestleMania season. When it comes to being over with the fans, Reigns isn't anywhere close to Bryan's level, same goes for Ambrose or Rollins and there's always been something, whether it's part of a storyline or injury, that's interfered with Bryan's time as champion. Some fans may prefer the notion of Bryan, the "normal" guy, the scrappy, fearless underdog, or the "deranged" and "unpredictable" guy who just doesn't give a crap, namely Dean Ambrose, be the one who slays "The Beast Incarnate" instead of another WWE formulaic stud like Roman Reigns.

 

[Navi]

It's really difficult to come up with someone right now. There's still roughly 5 months or so until WrestleMania and any number of things can come about between now and then.

According to most reports over the past several months, the plan is for Roman Reigns to be the one to take the title from Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania XXXI. At the same time, such an idea might ultimately get a lukewarm reception among fans because even though Reigns is over, he's nowhere near over enough, in my opinion, at this point in time to be "the 1 who beat the 1 in 21-1." As a character, inside the ring, on the mic or some combination of any or all of the above, Reigns isn't nearly as strong as Ambrose, Rollins, Cena, Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro or some others.

Also, there's no telling when Daniel Bryan will be returning to action as it seems that doctors have finally decided that he needs another neck surgery. If Bryan returns in time to be part of the Royal Rumble, it won't surprise me at all if fans rally around Bryan just as they did during this year's Royal Rumble and throughout WrestleMania season. When it comes to being over with the fans, Reigns isn't anywhere close to Bryan's level, same goes for Ambrose or Rollins and there's always been something, whether it's part of a storyline or injury, that's interfered with Bryan's time as champion. Some fans may prefer the notion of Bryan, the "normal" guy, the scrappy, fearless underdog, or the "deranged" and "unpredictable" guy who just doesn't give a crap, namely Dean Ambrose, be the one who slays "The Beast Incarnate" instead of another WWE formulaic stud like Roman Reigns.

I tend to agree with you there. Reigns has lost any momentum he had being out with this injury. It remains to see what he'll be like when he returns, and while i'm sure he'll get a huge pop, others have stepped up in his place.

Plus with the missed time, it would feel a little too rushed to get him into place for a title shot at Mania, and the fans wouldn't buy into it. Ambrose is miles ahead of him right now, and I don't understand why people say he's not big enough. The guy is 6'4", taller than most, and I think a lot of his physique is hidden by what he wears. He isn't has muscular as a John Cena, but he can go in the ring. He just might be nuts enough to throw Lesnar off his game plan as well.

Daniel Bryan is the one who should take the title from him. In saying that though, would the WWE be stupid enough to put a guy who would be returning from two neck surgeries and have a year's worth of ring rust on him, up against someone like Lesnar. I know Bryan can beat all odds, he did last year, but this might just be a little too unbelievable for most to swallow.

 

[Mudlup50]

Here's how I see Mania going down at the moment. I know Reigns isn't "ready" but I see them still using him. Bryan "will" be out longer and that leaves just about no one. If Reigns' can be back before the Rumble and just play up the fact that he holds the record for eliminations in a Rumble. Have him eliminate Kane and whoever a new Authority guy is to win.

He can have a mini feud with them till EC: Reigns & Ambrose/Cena/Orton/Bryan(whoever they want him to partner with) against Kane & Rollins.

Wrestlemania: Reigns v Lesnar(c)= Reigns
Rollins v Reigns(c)= Reigns and bam you have your new superface!

 

[Navi]

Here's how I see Mania going down at the moment. I know Reigns isn't "ready" but I see them still using him. Bryan "will" be out longer and that leaves just about no one. If Reigns' can be back before the Rumble and just play up the fact that he holds the record for eliminations in a Rumble. Have him eliminate Kane and whoever a new Authority guy is to win.

He can have a mini feud with them till EC: Reigns & Ambrose/Cena/Orton/Bryan(whoever they want him to partner with) against Kane & Rollins.

Wrestlemania: Reigns v Lesnar(c)= Reigns
Rollins v Reigns(c)= Reigns and bam you have your new superface!

So you propose Reigns wins the Rumble, then main events Mania, beats Lesnar and then Rollins cashes in and he beats Rollins.

Good God the backlash will be incredible. I'll stay off the internet that night while it implodes.

 

[jholcomb22]

Without a reliable face who can stay healthy, the WWE is backed into a corner. The most logical choice is John Cena, so since we all know WWE hates logic, we should assume that it won't be Cena.
Rollins has the briefcase and I don't think anyone thinks that he will be using that until someone is vulnerable. It would be interesting to see him cash in for WrestleMania, make it a triple threat match with Lesnar and the Royal Rumble winner, just so it can't be a match dominated by Lesnar.
Reigns and Bryan are both injured, and there timetables for return aren't definitive. If Reigns comes back before the Rumble, he can easily gain enough momentum just from that match alone to get the fans behind him again, however, I do fear 2 month of verbal sparring between him and Heyman...he would need a mouthpiece like zeb.
Ambrose is stuck in the same position as punk for so many years...great in the ring, great on the mic, fan support, but not trusted by upper management to main event WrestleMania.
Last year, WWE thought they were giving the fans what they want and building a face for the future when they gave us the Bryan storybook ending. They have to be hating how that turned out.
If he is willing to return, I think we get Batista vs Brock in the main event with Batista winning. He's becoming a bigger Hollywood draw and WWE loves that. Cena can take it off of him at Payback to retire him.

 

[L@RISANO]

So you propose Reigns wins the Rumble, then main events Mania, beats Lesnar and then Rollins cashes in and he beats Rollins.

Good God the backlash will be incredible. I'll stay off the internet that night while it implodes.

Another scenario that could possibly be done to respond to the possible backlash/boos on a 'not yet ready' Roman Reigns is to have him defeat Lesnar, and then become the New Monster Heel character in the WWE, maybe even become the New Heyman guy(assuming Brock's deal ends at Mania 31).

It could help make an eventual babyface turn later down be more well received(and more organic, and Reigns could hone his skills for a longer period) whilst it would also help make a New Top Heel in the business since the Face ranks seem to be in good hands anyways with Ambrose, Bryan(indefinite) and Cena, whilst someone like a Cesaro can also be built up again as a Babyface also.

 

[PunkNation26]

I would build up Dean Ambrose and have him defeat Brock at WM in a Hell in the Cell match. Then I would have Rollins cash in on Dean right after and have Dean chase Rollins until Summerslam where Dean would get the title back for a while.

 

[Kizzani]

No one. This way fans can get that longer desire fake UFC title champion. WWE then has to screw up one less storyline.

But Since someone does at some point it should be the Rock. Then he can take a 1 year break and no defend the title. I hope this happens so all the horrid fans can realize it was their UFC BS that ruined pro wrestling.

 

[Kizzani]

I am not sure why people ( not all people, hopefully this will dilute some of those flaming trolls) were so happy about Lesnar return, because fast forward to now and I am pretty sure MOST (again NOT ALL, back down trolls) people are not getting annoyed we don't really have a WWE champion.

I like to call this the Brock Lesnar effect. In the UFC the championship is normally defended every five months ( the new UFC, the old UFC when the fighters were men they fought 5-7 times a night see UFC 1-5 or so).

The Brock effect even hit UFC a tradition of title fights every five months was turned to 8 to 9 months. Nearly a year before this tough guy actually fought anyone.

I know this is where the hot flaming trolls will jump up and say.....He had a tummy ache he couldn't fight. So did other fighter and when they couldn't perform they took the title ( see Frank Mir) Brock is full on douchey garbage.

If you cheered Brocks return, guess what this is your damn fault. He could have got the Batista treatment and the title would have stayed with Cena, who could easily lose it to Regins, Wyatt, Ambrose or one of a few others who actually love wrestling and do it 24/7, Unlike Bit*h Lesnar.

Everyone lose a fighting champion, SCSA, HBK, Triple H, and the list goes on of wrestlers who got hurt and had to take some time to heal and come back. These guys gave 120% everytime they came out and 200% during recovery.

Now thanks to the crappy fans cheering Brock we get a a guy who gives 60% in the ring 10% out the ring. This clown shoe can't even form understandable sentences let alone use the mic. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Paul Heyman laces his boots....since they don't make velcro.

Before you say oh it is something NEw the WWE is trying, guess what your wrong the Rock won the title @ the Rumble 2013 then sat on it until Wrestlemania not wrestling a single match. But what was the difference, we saw the Rock on the titan tron grab the mic and slam Cena, We got to here rock build the feud strong for a few month. The Rock didn't have Heyman's hand shoved up his Hind area so he could get him to talk.

Brock just does his brock effect and ruin things. If Brock did have a quick promo it would be so fast without Hymen and would go something like this....

" Eat, Conquer, sleep, destroy???? damn (look down at shirt), oh wait.....Eat Sleep concourse repeat....I am Brock, I am strongest man, I kill, I have no fear, I good champion.....Rawr."

We can only hope he gets another tummy ache or gets tired of WWE and goes back to the NFL....oh wait he already failed at that too. He can be a motivational poster......since he can't speak.

 

[kumarjtk]

The next face of wwe is going to beat lesnar. My first pick is Roman Reigns. My second pick is Undertaker. Bcoz he got revenge by beating brock in wwe title match. But whoever wins title is going to lose the title to Seth Rollins. Bryan doesnt need that big win. Bcoz he is top face in fans view when he come back.