Brock Lesnar WWE World Heavyweight Championship Run Thread

[TheYoungEra]

Is it possible to book a man to look too invincible? That was the question I was left with at the end of the PPV last night. It's crazy seeing the unreal praise that this "match" is getting. To me, it succeeded in the story-telling department. That's it. Everything else about it was terrible. It wasn't a match. It wasn't even a fight. Everyone seems to forget that this "match" got "BORING!" chants last night. Loud ones.

I will say this, though. Cena was right about one thing. We did, in fact, "see a side of John Cena that John Cena doesn't like to show" - LOSS. And he didn't just lose, he was squashed. It was a completely one-sided affair, even counting Cena's grand total of two offensive moves in the entire match. I almost felt bad for him until I realized we all knew this would happen, and as many have pointed out, this is the way it should've happened.

I have to give it to the mad genius Paul Heyman, too. Nobody else could've figured out that Cena's one and only weakness was the German Suplex - enough of them that you'll rattle his ancestors. I also love Paul's take on Brock only being at 50% at Extreme Rules 2012 and about how Cena has to face him at 100% power now. Like, what is this, Dragon Ball Z? Well I guess Cena's going to need to figure out how to go Super Saiyan for their rematch...right after we've wished him back to life LOL.

I kid, of course. But all joking aside, from a sporting stand-point (and yes, I fully understand that this isn't really a sport), this was a terrible match. It was literally about 20 minutes of Brock Lesnar spamming the German Suplex-button, book-ended with two F-5's. That's it. That's...it.

Sure, it got the job done in brutal fashion and it did tell a hell of a story, but damn. Too much repetition for my taste. Most of Lesnar's "matches" have been like that though. His last match with Big Show was the worst. He just hit him with a chair for two minutes and pinned him. Total waste of money for all the build-up that it had. But I digress.

What's really left to think about is who's going to slay The Beast now that Cena has been so decisively decimated. It's pretty obvious the E is going to push Roman Reigns to be that guy, but as many have pointed out, I just don't feel like he's ready. They're going to have to book him to god-status to pull this off successfully, but as we've seen before if any staff member, high and/or low, at WWE ever walked into a legitimate booking office, they'd be whistling "Stranger In Paradise". I'm hoping they do it right. They've got a chance to make a little magic with this, despite the fact that Brock is there so rarely he can't even be considered a part-timer. But to bring it back to the first sentence of this post, who the hell does WWE have that can convincingly put Lesnar down?

 

[Reflection]

I wonder who will Lesnar face at the upcoming pay-per-views, i.e. Night of Champions and Hell in a Cell.

-John Cena: "taken out" by Lesnar; unlikely that he will return for his rematch feud already.
-Randy Orton: fallen down the ladder a bit after his loss against Reigns.
-Roman Reigns: strong contender, but wasn't he gonna challenge Lesnar at Wrestlemania 31?
-Cesaro: lost against RVD in the pre-show. No chance.
-Rollins: Mr. Money in the Bank won't challenge the champ one-on-one.
-Ambrose: lost against Rollins, and their feud might not have ended yet.
-Rusev: what's the point? Build up a guy for all these months and ruin everything in ~10 minutes?
-Jericho: lost against Bray Wyatt; will likely feud against some mid-card talent now.
-Bray Wyatt: won against Jericho; is a strong upper-midcard talent, and has main-evented shows before. Could he be the guy?

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

I wonder who will Lesnar face at the upcoming pay-per-views, i.e. Night of Champions and Hell in a Cell.

-John Cena: "taken out" by Lesnar; unlikely that he will return for his rematch feud already.
-Randy Orton: fallen down the ladder a bit after his loss against Reigns.
-Roman Reigns: strong contender, but wasn't he gonna challenge Lesnar at Wrestlemania 31?
-Cesaro: lost against RVD in the pre-show. No chance.
-Rollins: Mr. Money in the Bank won't challenge the champ one-on-one.
-Ambrose: lost against Rollins, and their feud might not have ended yet.
-Rusev: what's the point? Build up a guy for all these months and ruin everything in ~10 minutes?
-Jericho: lost against Bray Wyatt; will likely feud against some mid-card talent now.
-Bray Wyatt: won against Jericho; is a strong upper-midcard talent, and has main-evented shows before. Could he be the guy?

I can see Batista coming back for a match vs Lesnar. Probably not at Night of Champions, but maybe Survivor Series or the Royal Rumble. Also, I bet Daniel Bryan gets a match in there too. Brock should easily beat both of those guys as well though. In similarly dominant fashion as with Cena. If they're going to book him as an invincible beast... go all the way with it. Have him squash all the more established top guys (Cena, Orton, Batista) on his way into WrestleMania.

 

[Loveless]

What I expect now is a series of "HHH sends challengers after Brock because Brock won't play ball" matches. After Cena he'll send Rollins, then Batista, then himself and all will get crushed. Then Bryan will return, get his shot at the Rumble and everyone will expect him to win, but nope, Bryan gets wrecked too. Then it comes to whoever WWE decided to position as top dog at Wrestlemania

 

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

Ask The Rock in 2012 how a part timer carries the strap.

Brock is perfect right now, but a face needs to win it from Brock so that Rollins can cash in.

Rock held it for two months during the hottest part of the year when there are other big main event matches going on - Rumble and Chamber - that don't focus exclusively on the Champion and his opponent. Brock will be carrying the belt through a period of the year where this no longer applies. The Champ is the focus during the weaker part of the year. WWE will have to work hard to keep things interesting.

I don't think you need a face to win it per se either, heels have betrayed other heels in the past. Besides, what face can feasibly and believably win cleanly over Brock right now?

 

[jgregist]

After the crowd reaction last night to Cena, this would be a perfect chance to have Cena "turn on the fans" so to speak. I am not suggesting a full heel turn but if you think back to Sting in WCE when Luger and the fans turned on him with the fake Sting, this could be similar.

Cena comes out and cuts a promo for the fans who stood by him he will fight for them, for the fans who did not, they can stick it. And then Cena can leave to do movies, returning periodically and watching, while doing nothing as the Authority continues to run roughshod over everyone.

This could set up Cena returning to the ring after a few months to confront the authority in some fashion, maybe a rematch against Lesner.

 

[LoganFate]

If I was booking, I would have had the match end in 2 out of 3 falls, but kept everything else basically the same. Brock would have gotten the first pin after the first F5. I would have had Cena do the PIN after he hit his finisher, but then had Brock do the Undertaker rise mocking him. And then have Brock go home the same way he did.

Those suplexes are nothing to joke around with though. Your risk for injury increases by like 200% (made up statistic) every time you do one. To take 16 of them ... yikes! I thought Cena's neck was toast ... for reals!

As impressive as this match was, it would have been nice for him to do some actual wrestling moves. I was waiting for the crowd to start chanting "you cant wrestle" which to me is like the ULTIMATE insult where I would just hold my head down in shame and never step foot in a ring again. I think they actually chanted "boring" which is not super great either.

 

[jaredsmith83]

It was a match that needed to be done and I think that as far as that goes, they did the right thing. But, I was expecting a more stiff, rigid match. Maybe even a bit more MMA work involved in it where he would shoot in on Cena, ground and pound, maybe even some liver kicks similar to what ended his UFC run.

I know that neither guy is well known for being innovative offensively, but...16 German Suplexes? I think I would've been more entertained if he sat on his back bully style.

 

[Sundar]

I think it's pretty obvious what direction they're going. Brock will probably feud with Rusev over the next month and beat him at NOC but Rollins would then cash in on a tired Brock.

 

[WBL]

So now the question comes in the booking.

Is he going to be like The Rock, in which he only shows up via satellite every couple of months? Or is he going to kill people dead on a regular basis?

 

[Kidpolean]

Is it possible to book a man to look too invincible? That was the question I was left with at the end of the PPV last night. It's crazy seeing the unreal praise that this "match" is getting. To me, it succeeded in the story-telling department. That's it. Everything else about it was terrible. It wasn't a match. It wasn't even a fight. Everyone seems to forget that this "match" got "BORING!" chants last night. Loud ones.

I will say this, though. Cena was right about one thing. We did, in fact, "see a side of John Cena that John Cena doesn't like to show" - LOSS. And he didn't just lose, he was squashed. It was a completely one-sided affair, even counting Cena's grand total of two offensive moves in the entire match. I almost felt bad for him until I realized we all knew this would happen, and as many have pointed out, this is the way it should've happened.

I have to give it to the mad genius Paul Heyman, too. Nobody else could've figured out that Cena's one and only weakness was the German Suplex - enough of them that you'll rattle his ancestors. I also love Paul's take on Brock only being at 50% at Extreme Rules 2012 and about how Cena has to face him at 100% power now. Like, what is this, Dragon Ball Z? Well I guess Cena's going to need to figure out how to go Super Saiyan for their rematch...right after we've wished him back to life LOL.

I kid, of course. But all joking aside, from a sporting stand-point (and yes, I fully understand that this isn't really a sport), this was a terrible match. It was literally about 20 minutes of Brock Lesnar spamming the German Suplex-button, book-ended with two F-5's. That's it. That's...it.

Sure, it got the job done in brutal fashion and it did tell a hell of a story, but damn. Too much repetition for my taste. Most of Lesnar's "matches" have been like that though. His last match with Big Show was the worst. He just hit him with a chair for two minutes and pinned him. Total waste of money for all the build-up that it had. But I digress.

What's really left to think about is who's going to slay The Beast now that Cena has been so decisively decimated. It's pretty obvious the E is going to push Roman Reigns to be that guy, but as many have pointed out, I just don't feel like he's ready. They're going to have to book him to god-status to pull this off successfully, but as we've seen before if any staff member, high and/or low, at WWE ever walked into a legitimate booking office, they'd be whistling "Stranger In Paradise". I'm hoping they do it right. They've got a chance to make a little magic with this, despite the fact that Brock is there so rarely he can't even be considered a part-timer. But to bring it back to the first sentence of this post, who the hell does WWE have that can convincingly put Lesnar down?

dude there was one boring chant from like 50 people that died out in like 10 seconds...the crowd was hot the majority of the match. At no point was there a loud boring chant. Stop the bs

 

[Mudlup50]

I think people are being a little bit delusional here...Rusev is not going to be Lesnar's opponent. Lesnar is a heel(the most over one aside from the Authority). Rusev is a heel(the third most over one, but still). If you face turn Rusev, you're gonna get a pop anyone would get against Lesnar right now. Why waste Rusev? Lesnar will win, there was a reason he was booked to destroy Cena. Because that's what he's gonna do for a few months. Rusev will be destroyed, his character ruined.

Rollins cashing in now? Why? Right now this is the authority:Triple H and Stephanie are the leaders. Orton is the wrestler. Kane is the muscle. Rollins is the future star. And Lesnar is the hired mercenary. If Rollins cashed in now, he'd be turning against the authority. So then we'd have Reigns v Authority...Rollins v. Authority and Bryan v Authority when he comes back >< I say wait at least a month or so for when Trips realizes he doesn't want Lesnar working for him and then a cash in attempt would make sense.

 

[Savior of Silence]

Brock hit 16 German supplexes on Cena! How is that not awesome?

He didn't hit 16, he hit 15 Germans and one regular suplex. Still fucking awesome though.

On topic, I absolutely loved this match. It told a story and was the perfect follow up to Lesnar breaking Undertaker's streak. I can't wait to see where they go from here.

 

[yourdamnluck]

wow thats a lot of comments...
clearly lesner wont be around long enough to carry the belt to wrestlemania and loose to reigns
may be vince wants to make cena the BIGGEST HEAL BABYFACE in the history of this buisness..
imagine him overcomming the beast in an i quit match and win the 16th title...
kids will love that everyone else will hate him MORE than they have ever hated anyone....
reigns, bryan, hell spike dudley beating cena by any means at wrestlemania will be gold...
and cena will sell more of his stuff to kids than ever

 

[Loganity]

While I figured Brock would come out on top I was really surprised at how weak Cena was made to look. I understand the purpose but from an entertainment standpoint I prefer there match at Extreme Rules. Personally I don't like the idea of a "part time" champion. When Rock was champion during weeks he wasn't there it always felt like an element of the show was missing to me.

The biggest question in my opinion is how long will Brock hold the title? I don't like the idea of him holding it until Wrestlemainia because unless he's agreed to work a lot more dates he's going to miss a HUGE chuck of that time. I assume he's going to take a hiatus until the road to Wrestleminia in a month or two just as he always does.

I figure Cena will return next week to build towards a rematch at NOC. Though it's unlikely I think there's a slim chance Lesnar loses the belt there depending on what his schedule is. Maybe Cena wins and Rollins cashes in on a weakened Cena?

With his current schedule I don't see how Lesnar can hold the title from now until Wrestlemainia. I know some people role their eyes at that but assuming his schedule hasn't changed and he leaves after NOC or Hell In The Cell, think of all the time he's missing. That would mean Survivor Series, TLC, Royal Rumble, maybe even Elimination Chamber all taking place without the WWE Championship being defended. That's a lot of Pay Per Views without the champion.

While the championship may not have prestige it once did I still think it is an essential part of most, if not all Pay Per Views.

 

[laodaron]

There's a great article on the front page. The champ never used to wrestle on Monday nights. Then, the MNW began, and we started to see PPV matches on Monday nights. But really, I much prefer to not see Lesnar much, to NEVER see him fight on Mondays, and only rarely make appearances. It makes him an even better heel. Basically, he is going to say that he fights when he's ready to fight, not just when some chump wants a shot at the title.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Wow.

I haven't been able to get online until now to post about SummerSlam until now, and although I was hoping for a Lesnar win (and preferably a dominant one), to see Cean crushed like this was shocking. I didn't think WWE would make their 15x World Champion do the job so convincingly. Wow.

I'm REALLY interested to see where WWE go with this, as they won't have made the decision for Brock to squash Cena lightly, they must have a plan in place. Could it be that we are heading back to how it was in the past, where the Champion only appears on TV every now and again, when every one of his appearances is a really big deal? WWE could go down that route with Paul Heyman talking on Brock's behalf on Raw most weeks.

Or will Cena make a miraculous recovery as always, and come back to challenge Lesnar to a rematch and reclaim his title? I hope that doesn't happen, as it would make Lesnar's win completely pointless and would piss everyone off.

It's going to be a very interesting time in WWE though, that's for sure.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

The matched worked for me, and I really enjoyed it.

I can buy into Cena making a mistake with trying to match Lesnar in a power game, and Cena having trouble recovering from the F5 in the early stages of the match. The F5 is a high impact and devastating finisher, so Cena struggling to recover in an up hill battle is plausible.

A brutal and shocking match, and I can understand others feeling bored with Lesnar suplexing Cena into oblivion, but Lesnar had to win this match, and more importantly, he needed a dominant and decisive win. With the way they booked the match, Cena's win over Lesnar at Extreme Rules 2012 was supposed to be a fluke, and Lesnar erased any doubts on Sunday.

Now it'll be interesting to see how WWE books Lesnar as WWE WHC Champion. We know he won't show up every week, and after his annihilation of John Cena at Summerslam, Lesnar simply losing the title to Cena or someone else at Night Of Champions is a waste of Lesnar's win and Lesnar as champion.

 

[SmattyG]

OK, so as we all talk about possible opponents for Brock Lesnar, the name of Rusev has come up as a legitimate threat in some forums.

What if it came to pass that they had a match that ended up kind of even, but as Brock started to gain the upper hand, the Russian National Anthem started to play.....

It's the return of Vladimir Kozlov!!! He helps Rusev get the win and later states he was the last to get a clean win over Undertaker and wanted to prove Russian superiority by helping his protégé Rusev (all with the vocal/eye candy assistance of Lana of course).

Just thought it may be an interesting scenario considering the four wrestlers involved....

Unlikely of course....

 

[Ric 'The Nature Boy' Flair]

No,I'm not a fan,Give rusev a couple more legitimate threats. Make him get the US title,maybe if reigns wins the title at WM31, Then make him go after the title.

 

[Sundar]

I would love to see this match happen. Ever since Brock was announced as the no.1 contender for Summerslam, Lana has been tweeting about how Rusev would CRUSH Brock. Rusev has a Muay Thai and powerlifting background and he is slightly bigger than Brock so he would be a believable threat. Even though they're both heels I think this match would work. Losing to Brock in a long, hard fought match would not hurt Rusev's momentum, if anything it would only make him more credible. Apart from Cena there are hardly any credible main event faces for Lesnar to go against so this would be a good opportunity to turn him face so he could then feud with guys like Orton.

 

[EastCoastFan]

This doesn't make sense, as Brock and Rusev are both heels. For it to work, one of them has to become a face and both of them are currently better off as heels. Not to mention I don't see WWE bringing back Vladimir Kozlov. Nikolai Volkoff, maybe, but not Kozlov.

 

[L@RISANO]

Since Brock has been cheered for beating Cena....I'd have this match for the sheer shock factor a Rusev victory would bring, and the huge rub such a victory would bring him and possibly catapult him to the top of the Heel Pyramid in the WWE.


Note: Just joking with the above. It would be a hilarious shocking swerve in the Invincible Brock story, no doubt, if Rusev were to "Crush" him!

 

[shafe_41]

Any idea involving a return of Kozlov is going to be the worst idea I have ever heard. In fact, any idea involving Kozlov and the word "interesting" in the same sentence is completely ridiculous. There is nothing interesting about him period. Quite honestly, I don't think there's anything interesting about Rusev either. Lana is the only thing driving him. Once she's gone, he'll be reduced to nothing and be stuck in lower mid-card hell like every other Russian, foreign, America-hating heel of the last 20 years.

 

[nehal]

some fans has no reason to boo or cheer. Wwe definitely expect he get some boo. Bcoz he handpicked by wwe authority. so some marks are booing without a reason. It doesnt matter he gets half boo. I even dont know why they chant cmpunk name when aj coming. It ruin her carrier.