Anyone Else Hate the Ending to Cena v Orton?

[Athena]

Right off, I'm not against the decision to put the belt on Cena. Obviously he draws and WWE wants someone like him as the flagship superstar (after the whole Jeff Hardy debacle). I'm sure he'll be crammed down our throats as usual, but anyone else hate the way the match ended?

Ok, so you have Orton, an alleged main eventer do everything he possible can to Cena, handcuff three times to various objects and basically torture him for a good ten minutes. So Cena makes his traditional superhuman comeback, has about 1 minute of offense on Randy, then the FIRST time Randy's asked to quit, he does after about 3 seconds in the STF. This comes after Cena denied giving up around 4 or 5 times. Anyone see something wrong with this?

This makes Randy look weak as hell. I know he's supposed to be a cowardly heel who wins by cheating, but even he should have lasted longer in the STF. IMO this kills all the momentum he's built up for the past few months as champion, and makes him look like he can't hang with guys like Cena and Trips.

Thoughts?

 

[Mitch Henessey]

With the way the WWE and World Heavyweight championships have been frequently changing hands this year, I wouldn't be suprised to see Orton win it back at HIAC or Bragging Rights. I've read the re****s of this match on WZ, and have seen the picture of Randy tapping at WWE.com. Not too many people have lasted long in the STF ( the only two that come to mind are Triple H and HBK) because it's made to look like a devastating submission hold. Putting the belt on Cena will further this feud. If Cena had lost to Orton back to back, it would've killed Cena's momentum, and made him look weak, especialy with one of those loses being in an I Quit match. This is really the only money feud for the WWE title on Raw right now. Triple H and Shawn Michaels are doing the DX thing, Big Show is in the Unified Tag Title picture, with all the teasing of a Legacy breakup the past couple of months, Rhodes and Dibase aren't ready to headline PPVs yet. The only other man I could think of is Batista, but nothing for sure with him because of his big annoucement tonight. Orton will either regain his title or Legacy will beat down Cena, one or the other is bound to happen soon.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I wasn't upset about the ending, I just think it was extremely predictable. WWE has been doing a great job of making Randy Orton look strong to weak very fast. Randy Orton has been was the longest reigning WWE Champion of 2009 so far, so that's a strong suit. However, the fact that Randy Orton would be stripped of the title had someone interfered on his behalf makes Orton look weak. The fact that he really did lose makes him seem even more weak.

Randy Orton does not always need the help of Legacy to win all his matches. The way WWE has been booking it... he does. His ruthlessness and viper-like style should allow him to win matches, win titles, or keep titles.

John Cena is a better champion than a challenger anyway. So, it's not the worst thing in the world to see Cena win the WWE Championship again. Randy Orton will remain in the Raw main event WWE Championship scene for a while now. He has the talent and ability to do so. Losing the title is not the end of the world for Randy Orton. Hopefully, he will regain the WWE Championship very soon.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

It was a great ending. The whole match wsa great. It completely reinforces both of their characters. Randy is a pyschotic heel who can dish out cruel amounts of punishment, but can't take it himself. Cena is a superhero who will never give up and can take lots of punishment, and even overcome being virtually tortured for 10 minutes. I mean, realistically, Orton destroyed Cena for most of that match. Both guys came out looking good.

 

[ErictheEnt]

My ONLY problem with the ending of this match is this ... you KNOW the next pay per view is going to be head lined by these clowns AGAIN. Okay, I actually kinda like both of them but I'm tired of watching them wrestle each other.

 

[byrnside]

The only thing I can really hope to come from this, is that my appreciation for Randy Orton will rekindle. I feel like his border line psychotic Legacy chracter has run it's course. My fanship? for Randy Orton was in it's peak when he was chasing the title in 2007-2008. Every month I prayed for Randy Orton to come out of the main events of his matches as the new champion. I loved to watch Orton. I loved how cocky he was, and I thought he was a great chaser for the title. Hopefully we'll see at least some of that restored.

 

[ZigglerSwaggerFan]

Seriously, they need some different main eventers. I don't care to see them anymore, but since I'm trying to give wrestling another shot, I guess I have to. It's almost TOO predictable now with Cena and Orton the only two main event guys on Raw. You can almost see the next 5 ppv's headlined with those two. It is sad though that Orton dished out that punishment and Cena just puts on a move for a couple of seconds and wins...

 

[The Todd]

anyone else hate the way the match ended?

Not in the slightest.

Ok, so you have Orton, an alleged main eventer do everything he possible can to Cena, handcuff three times to various objects and basically torture him for a good ten minutes. So Cena makes his traditional superhuman comeback, has about 1 minute of offense on Randy, then the FIRST time Randy's asked to quit, he does after about 3 seconds in the STF. This comes after Cena denied giving up around 4 or 5 times. Anyone see something wrong with this?

the heel beating up the face, the face not quitting, the face hitting his finisher, the heel quitting. Where is the problem? I am not seeing one at all.

This makes Randy look weak as hell. I know he's supposed to be a cowardly heel who wins by cheating, but even he should have lasted longer in the STF.

In a move where he is being choked my steel and his own arm? Why should he have lasted longer. It is meant to be a devastating move, one that HHH and HBK have both tapped to at freakin' wrestlemania. Why should Orton stay in it longer?

IMO this kills all the momentum he's built up for the past few months as champion, and makes him look like he can't hang with guys like Cena and Trips.

No it doesn't. Not at all. He has physically dominated the best guy in the business for a whole match. He even would have had him beaten if it was a pinfall match from the RKO. He lost from a mistake on his part. Instead of hurting Cena he went for the key, he turned his back on Cena and paid the price. Where is there a problem?

 

[tripolie atche]

Right off, I'm not against the decision to put the belt on Cena. Obviously he draws and WWE wants someone like him as the flagship superstar (after the whole Jeff Hardy debacle). I'm sure he'll be crammed down our throats as usual, but anyone else hate the way the match ended?

Ok, so you have Orton, an alleged main eventer do everything he possible can to Cena, handcuff three times to various objects and basically torture him for a good ten minutes. So Cena makes his traditional superhuman comeback, has about 1 minute of offense on Randy, then the FIRST time Randy's asked to quit, he does after about 3 seconds in the STF. This comes after Cena denied giving up around 4 or 5 times. Anyone see something wrong with this?

This makes Randy look weak as hell. I know he's supposed to be a cowardly heel who wins by cheating, but even he should have lasted longer in the STF. IMO this kills all the momentum he's built up for the past few months as champion, and makes him look like he can't hang with guys like Cena and Trips.

Thoughts?

i absolutely agree with this, the ending did make randy look weak because orton controlled the majority of the match & received little damage by cena yet the 1st time he was asked if he wanted to quit, within 2 seconds the match was over (i expected orton & cena each getting asked a few times if they wanted to quit but as u can tell that only happened to cena)

IMO i woulda had the match run even longer so cena wouldve gotten a chance to work on orton (cant believe i said that) but it woulda been better than watching khali-kane or whatever the fuck that was between ziggler & pat patterson

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm not upset about the ending at all, I thought the whole thing was put together pretty well. Like everyone else, I pretty much knew that Orton was going to lose but I didn't expect Orton to still come out looking good even though he lost.

I kind of prefer Orton without the title really, he always seems to have more fire and is just plain hungrier without it. Not to mention, his character is even more psychotic. As for Cena, I'm not really sure. Like a lot of people, I'd be quite pleased to see John Cena go up against someone he hasn't feuded with before. A serious feud in which he didn't dominate the guy. Only problem is, there's not really anyone like that on Raw at this time.

 

[The Conscience]

The ending of the match could help bring the end of legacy with orton putting too much pressure on roades and dibiasse to get 'his' title back or blaming them for his loss because they distract him as he has to look after them in his mind anyway. It could be the push legacy need actually fueding with orton and perhaps one of them getting a title shot after the inevitable rematch in a cell occurs if of course orton regains the title

 

[Budro5454]

I agree with you 100%, its like a main event at wrestlemania ending early and you just sit there with a puzzeled look on your face... If you want my opinion, why not have it a back and fourth match where it could be anyones match?? They've been fueding for forever now it seems and it seemed like a midcard ending. WWE is putting all their money on this match to draw a big PPV, why would they have it end like that? Its even worse when Randy just sits there and beats the hell out of him for 20 minutes and then have Cena come back with his usual boring as all hell offense and then slap the STFU on Randy and have him tap out like a jobber. I'm sure if I was 5 then i would have loved it as i did when Hulk used to do it... but Hulk was different and 5 year olds don't by t-shirts and tickets.

 

[And I'm Awesome]

While I agree the ending seemed a bit off (and fast), it does make sense on multiple levels. First, there was just about no way Cena would quit. Period. They've built him up as a superhuman punishment absorbing machine, so why would he quit when Orton was piling on the punishment? As for Randy tapping a quickly as he could, I'm gonna bring up a point I've posted elsewhere: The STF is painful. Period. Add some metal and, well, ouch. Now, this is an I Quit match. Getting to the ropes would mean diddly, and there is no reason at all for Cena to let go of the move. You're certainly not going to force Cena off of you once he gets the STF on, so why prolong your suffering? It was pretty obvious that Orton would tap to the STF, just thought he might hang in a wee bit longer.

Now, onto the plus side of this. Orton made a good champion, but he makes a better challenger, in my opinion. Same of Cena. Decent challenger, better champ. Now, a lot of people are complaining about this being Cena vs. Orton part 1 bajillion. Well, when these are the guys that bring in the dough, what do you expect? How many Wrestlemania matches did we see Austin vs. The Rock? 3, if memory serves, and that's only Wrestlemania. Heck, we saw Mick Foley and The Rock go at it for four months over the belt and I don't remember people complaining half as much as they do now. Championship feuds take a while, and we're gonna see the same guys for months at a time, and those combinations repeated every now and then. Deal with it

One other plus: we're gonna have Cena/Orton in HIAC. If this match doesn't happen, something isn't quite right. I think Orton can take his current psychotic, Viper character to a whole new level in the Cell, and depending on what kind of punishment those two are willing to take, I think we could be in for one heck of a show in a few weeks.

 

[OriginalDeadmanWWE]

I wish the wwe would see when you stick a squeaky clean guy down our throats for so long and never change him, the fans are never gonna like him. Cena has heart i will admit that but the man has no wrestling abiliy what so ever and i am so tired of him going over and being the champ because its this pg rated era. I saw this in the 1990's and they used their talent much better than they do now and they put over their talent much better than they do now. Cena seriously needs a heel turn badly!!!

 

[patdsez]

I loved this match. Phenomenal storytelling here. It was so old school and fantastic work done by both guys. As for how it ended - it didn't make Orton look weak it made him look like a heel which he is, so it was really well done.

 

[X]

I thought the match was mediocre at best. Hardly among the best I Quit matches I've seen, I expected a lot more from these two. Randy Orton is no Rock and Cena is no Mick Foley, so the whole "handcuff him and beat him to death with weapons" thing just looked stupid to me. Some of the match was good, but the ending kind of ruined it. After all of that domination by Orton, he quits within 5 seconds of getting a submission hold on him? Seriously? Way to make Orton look like a complete bitch. Mediocre match.

 

[Kidgloves]

I though the whole match was crap to tell you the truth. It was essentially torture porn.

It was predictable and complete illogical. Why would Orton put the key around his neck--other than to have it where Cena could grab it? So, that made Orton look like a moron.

Then why wouldn't Cena just stand up when he was "hanging" from the ring post? I mean he was just sitting on the steps, not like he was dangling from the ring post--Despite JR's continued over-selling of "How is Cena going to escape?"

Toss in Cena's horrible, horrible "acting"--I mean none of his no's sounded real. They had the same feel as when you ask a little kid if he pooped his pants. Not to mention the ridiculous scream he did when Orton hit him with the chair.

 

[RandyOrton]

I though the whole match was crap to tell you the truth. It was essentially torture porn.

It was predictable and complete illogical. Why would Orton put the key around his neck--other than to have it where Cena could grab it? So, that made Orton look like a moron.

Then why would Cena just stand up when he was "hanging" from the ring post? I mean he was just sitting on the steps, not like he was dangling from the ring post--Despite JR's continued over-selling of "How is Cena going to escape?"

Toss in Cena's horrible, horrible "acting"--I mean no of his no's sounded real. They had the same feel as when you ask a little kid if he pooped his pants. Not to mention the ridiculous scream he did when Orton hit him with the chair.

His Scream Was Awfully Gay, good match though

 

[Coco]

IMO this kills all the momentum he's built up for the past few months as champion, and makes him look like he can't hang with guys like Cena and Trips.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

What momentum did he have? He was always running away, always getting help from Legacy, always having a hard time keeping his heel heat, always cutting average promos. Orton is the definition of meh. He's had MANY failed pushes and main event runs... Maybe the should stop trying. Maybe he just doesn't belong at the top with Cena.

As for the match, it was a let-down. I agree with that. That should have been an epic fight to the finish or pure domination by Cena. What happened wasn't needed as it was too typical for a big blowoff and any match Orton is in control of is going to fall flat by default. I'd want a do-over, but I also want Orton to leave the top of the card never to be seen again.

 

[Nwoite]

hmm...orton is a vile, dastadly heel, right? and Legacy had their match early in the night(3rd of show). soo, why couldn't Legacy grab some kid or something, and threaten to destroy him, if Cena didn't quit?

Cena's still superheroic(hate, hate, hate that btw), Orton is even more vile than ever, and it doesn't make either of them look weak.

 

[Liberace]

Would've been better if Orton had not taken the cuff of this pathetic homoboy that we all hate in MOntreal if Wrestlezone doesn't like it find me a forum where we can use profanities in this friggin forum you fuck over the undertaker for no fucking reason
but its ok for McMahon to have his boytoy do him some favors after he has been trying to give that belt to his boytoy since summerslam yet we expected Batista to interfere after what happened so he can get a shot but I am hoping Undertaker goes after CENA and Orton after PUNK that would be better seriously we all Shouted and yelled
"CENA SUX" "LETS GO ORTON" the whole fucking Bell Center JEERED HOMOBOY CENA
he only appeals to women,kids and the gay crowd that where there who wore pink seriously he only has 5 moves why are we getting this crappy match repeating for 3 years now flipping like a pancake give it to Mark Henry or Carlito fuck Cena
give it to someone who wants it not Hot,horny and hard(HHH) who is in a meaningless feud but since wrestlezone doesn t belive in freedom of speech who are they
We are everywhere across the world there are no rules here we speak and rant and rave on our frustration Originally Undertaker was supposed to win and CENA lose
now its all fucked up!

 

[Hulkamaniac]

While the reaction was certainly mixed, to claim "the entire Bell Center jeered Cena" is a ridiculously easy to disprove lie.

 

[Liberace]

LEGACY deserves to win and we can put this pathetic feud over with noone cares for DX or DPX when many had signs of that at the bell center when Imocked a few kids I told them shove your green glowsticks in your butt cause they are called deep penetration x
noone in montreal cares for HBGay Shawn Michaels or Hot horny and hard (HHH)
that was probably the only match that g ot me running to the floors outside the seating area besides that Kandy Kane sucks Khali should ve won but these matches are repetitive as a sequel to a damn move CENA SUX chants were loud and they ll be louder in Toronto Ontario tonight why
WE HATE CENA IN CANADA

 

[CJ The Pirate]

Not too bothered by the fact that Cena is the champ but it was the manner that bothered me. I felt cheated. Cena did nothing (because he was handcuffed) all match except take a beating and he refused to quit but when he finally got the opportunity it was like it was over from the moment Cena got free. STF was locked in and Orton was quitting within minutes.

Had this been a regular match. Orton, or any other Main Event opponent would have sold the pain and frantically looked for the ropes or anyway out of the move. If Orton had said no... Cena didn't have to release the hold. Ask him three times and on the third he gave up, maybe after an effort to escape. It was just over far too quickly.

 

[Cheney]

LEGACY deserves to win and we can put this pathetic feud over with noone cares for DX or DPX when many had signs of that at the bell center when Imocked a few kids I told them shove your green glowsticks in your butt cause they are called deep penetration x
noone in montreal cares for HBGay Shawn Michaels or Hot horny and hard (HHH)
that was probably the only match that g ot me running to the floors outside the seating area besides that Kandy Kane sucks Khali should ve won but these matches are repetitive as a sequel to a damn move CENA SUX chants were loud and they ll be louder in Toronto Ontario tonight why
WE HATE CENA IN CANADA

Your nicknames are ridiculous lol.

Either way, I didn't like how Orton insta-tapped. Not that I wanted him to lose either way lol, but I think he should have tried to roll Cena off then quit.

A alternate ending I thought was a possibility was Cena is handcuffed and Orton goes to the crowd and is daring Cena to quit or he'll attack a fan. Could have built Ortons psychopathic character and Cena being face.