I would think that a prerequisite for intellectual discourse are agreed terms. Are you sure you are no different that the rest? Would you want to have intellectual discourse on someone else's terms.
Praise the Lord, we have someone here who is going to analyze my arguments and question my assumptions, rather than a couple of people high-fiving each other because they can say they're still not that interested.
I think my meaning here might have been unclear. By "terms", I mean, "intellectual discourse only when I feel like discussing it, and ridicule for it when I don't". In that aspect, yes, I very much prefer to debate on other people's terms.
Now, the way you meant it, I'd still agree with the sentiment. I'm always eager to meet people who have a way of thinking that is different from my own, while still being thought through and logical. It allows me to challenge my own assumptions which I use towards solving problems (i.e, living.) People might get the idea that I'm the kind of person who always thinks he's right while others are wrong. That isn't the case at all; it's just here, there aren't that many people capable of stringing together a coherent sentence without contradicting it two posts later.
Before someone asks why I post here then, I reiterate- I don't post for the masses, I post for the people who enjoy my posts. If my goal was to get you guys to be my friends, I'd approach my posting style
entirely different.
Or that maybe they are pissed and find your recent comments to be dickish. They choose to respond with these types of arguments in an attempt to not give you the satisfaction that you may be somewhat accurate in your assessment. However, as accurate as you may be to them your still being a dick. How did you expect your thread to develop?
I'm fine with being a dick on a message board. Again, I am not posting with the intent of getting people to like me, never have, and never will. You guys have nothing to offer me.
How did I expect it to develop? Actually, pretty much like this. What, are there people who think I was entirely sincere in my election analysis??? There was a very ripe pile of shit to be stirred, and I'm an instigator. The only thing that surprised me was how hard people would try to pretend that they don't care while following every development.
why do you tend to post in the TNA section? You can't tell me that the TNA section has better posters than Spam. You are way more intelligent, informed and well written than that herd.
TNA/IW is really the only interesting story in professional wrestling right now; at least, the only one people seem to want to discuss here. I don't mean that I believe TNA/IW is great programming (as anyone who reads my non-spam posts could tell you), but that I find what's happening with TNA/IW on a corporate level to be fascinating.
I tend to tune out probably 6 out of 7 posts in the TNA/IW section. There are some intelligent people who post in there, they just aren't the majority.
Whereas in the bar room, the jokes aren't really funny. You can find good one-liners anywhere. What occurs are jokes of the backslapping variety, where people laugh because their friends are laughing, not because something is funny. Is there wheat somewhere in all of this chaff? Maybe, but I don't find much to be interesting in the bar room, so instead of hanging around saying "this does not interest me", I just leave and go do something I find interesting.
The herd is just as big and just as ignorant as in the TNA/IW section, it's just here the herd can relax because there's not even a pretense of having to think, unlike the non-spam sections.
Isn't this normal human behavior to protect your status, your friend's status and the group? Again, how do you expect people to react when you cop an attitude when they are down?
We refer to something different. You are referring to a group rising to defend one of its members when they are attacked. I am referring to a group that attacks anything outside of its own reflexively, out of a fear that an intruder might replace their standing within the group.
As far as people being down after this election?
STILL laughing about that whole fiasco. I can't be held responsible for kicking someone while they're down if they're going to drop to the ground so easily.
You tried to bust people's balls with your post, JGlass did the same thing to you. If you are going to dish it out, you going to blah, blah, blah.
And? You're acting like I'm unaware of this principle, or that me and JGlass should have some sort of convivial relationship where now that we've attacked each other, we should both be satisfied and lay down our arms. We don't have that kind of relationship.
As whiny and pissy as JGlass got during that election, he needed to have some dished to him. His dishing back seems to be confined to telling me that I don't interest him, which was never my goal.
PaperGhost said:
After venturing into election:
Your paypal jokes were redundant though funny at first. We didn't need an analysis thread and it wouldn't matter if it was you or anyone else, really didn't wanna read a long-ass analysis OP. We were all burnt out man. We all OD'd on election.
Which I pretty much told you was going to happen. If I see someone pull a gun out of their pocket and shoot themselves in the foot, I'm not going to be the guy to sympathize with them later when they cry about how much their foot hurts.
I wrote an analysis thread that pretty much said "1/2 of the board lost this because they started crying and bitching", right after they had just finished crying and bitching. I didn't expect a positive reaction.
PaperGhost said:
Maybe you do talk like you write but you came off as an elitist jerk, who could've easily summarized and used way lesser words to describe your feelings and observation. It's the Bar Room man, the best part here are the one liners.
I don't dumb myself down, ever, unless I'm explaining something to a child.
For the record, I have barely any idea who Salv is, and considering this is my very first mention or reference to him in a long and growing thread, I'm not too concerned about being seen as a kiss ass. Yes, people can repeat a charge they had leveled at them. "I'm not the stupidhead, you're the stupidhead!" I learned that in kindergarten.
JGlass said:
I do. But I hope you know that most people post it not to tell you that your post was too long for them to read, but just to get a reaction out of you. I'm fairly certain I've posted tl;dr as a response to posts that I did read.
Ah, here it comes. The "I was just playin'!" post. Hey, I'm playing too! This is how I play. Make sure to tell all of your friends how serious you aren't taking this, that way, they'll know you're cool and can reciprocate with statements of approval!
JGlass said:
I think your values are fine for you to hold for yourself, but when you start judging the way other people conduct themselves by your values, you start to move in the wrong direction.
This is fucking ******ed. So I'm supposed to use your values in my estimation of you? I suppose that we should have used Richard Nixon's values when deciding if he should have been impeached, hmm? OF COURSE YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUES TO JUDGE PEOPLE. That is the most stupidly obvious statement I have ever uttered. It is like saying "I use my eyes to see."
This is why I have, and am gaining, no respect for your intellect, whether you care or not as to that effect. You're saying stupid shit like "don't judge me by your standards", when the only other way to form a personal estimation of you would be to use someone else's- which defeats the purpose of a personal estimation, does it not???
It's akin to a straightedge person thinking someone that smokes pot is less than they are? Yes. You are exactly, completely right in that. They have a set of values that they have chosen to live by. The crux is in whether your own personal values can reconcile with those of society at large, which is not a yes/no proposition, but a constant reexamination of ones surroundings and assumptions.
I am not ashamed to say I judge people. I expect people to judge me, and people that do not tend to be easily swayed sheep whose opinions you can write for them.
JGlass said:
By limiting your friendship to those who share similar values you close yourself off to experiencing the world under someone with other values. I'm not saying go out and try being a heroine junkie for a day, but it can't hurt to see what life is like from someone else's shoes.
Preferring to hang around with people who question their own ideas and don't reflexively panic when they see a few paragraphs to read? That don't need to reassure themselves with their online buddies constantly that they're still cool? I don't think I'm shutting myself off to major life experiences by missing out on that. Yes, not wanting to deal with people who have to tell you how uninterested they are is going to be a huge loss in my social education.
