All Future Wrestlemania Discussion (Matches, Gimmicks, Angles.... KEEP IT IN HERE!)

[scomvp316]

I have just a few different locations for Mania:
Las Vegas,NV- where the Wolfpack play their home football games and The LAs Vegas Bowl is held
Wembley Stadium-I don't care about a international location its not like the SB
Olympic Stadium in Germany I believe its in Munich-WC was awesome their and perhaps the most rabid European Wrestling fans sorry BRITS!

 

[Elchicano15]

If New York (MSG, Yankee Stadium, Citi Field etc) doesn't get it I would like to see it held at a place where it's never been held. A city that's never hosted, or state/province for that matter.
Montreal's Olympic Stadium. Hot crowd.
UKs Wembley Stadium would be a neat idea to........I'm aware of the time difference but if the U.K starts the event at 8 or 9 local time. We on the North American Side would get it at 2pm or 3pm (11am or noon for the west coast) Mania always falls on a Sunday. I think most people would have the day off and would be out of church by then. Works for kids and parents to, they don't have to worry about their kid going to bed late on a school night.
St Louis Edward Jones dome. St Louis is a wrestling city.
Minnesota's metrodome. See St Louis.

Of course if that doesn't work out they could always come to Toronto's SkyDome. (rogers centre) But I'm not sure if our dollar would hurt them as I feel that's probably the reason why we didn't get WM 29.

 

[quink987]

ok lets look at facts with the current roster could they really make a forgettable Wrestlemania which would last forever? with WM28 proberly being Undertakers last match and with Triple H proberly going to take a break from wrestling till next years Wrestlemania could the WWE hold a Wrestlemania and get 1 million buys or even a Wrestlemania that make us go WOW thats the best WM ive ever seen without guys like Undertaker, Rock, Austin, HHH, Chris Jericho and just use the current Roster?

well I dont think they can dont get me wrong they would put some decent matches on but noughing that would make me think 'boy I got to see that' can you imagine having a wrestlemania card like this

CM Punk vs Daniel Byran

Cena vs Randy Orton

Sheamus vs Alberto Del Rio

Miz vs Dolph Ziggler

they are rough examples but my point is without vince bringing in past Icons Wrestlemania would just feel like another waste of money monthly PPV we get.

if you dont belive me look at the WM27 card take away Taker/HHH, Edge, and the Rocks involvment and what do you have? a ok normal PPV, noughing thats says buy me, so what do you guys think?

are the current Superstars who bash past talent for coming back for Wrestlemania right?

have the guys of today have the star power to carry a Wrestlemania PPV and make it feel speacial?

or does Wrestlemania nned past stars to keep the magic alive.

 

[TempestH]

I think one of the young guys should've been given a shot at the streak at WM instead of Taker vs. HHH. Maybe we could've had Taker vs. Barrett, or Taker vs. Ziggler

The Rock isn't "taking their spot" BUT, I feel that the WWE should have taken a chance and let the current roster shine on Wrestlemania in a few 5-12 minute matches, simply for the reason being that Rock vs. Cena will sell WM by itself. They could at least try to squeeze in Zack Ryder vs. Kane, and have Jack Swagger defend the U.S. title against one of the undercard guys.

The young guys should be stepping up in Orton, Del Rio, and Christian's absences, as well as the supposed burial of The Miz, but Vince/Creative, isn't allowing them to.

 

[scottyshowman82]

I think they could do a decent Wrestlemania without past stars. Main Events involving guys like Punk Orton Cena Miz and others could do very well they just need a good storyline and time to build up.

I think sometimes guys from today don't get enough credit for what they do well. Cena vhas a huge crowd reaction no matter what match he is in. Miz can draw you in with promos. Punk can draw you in with promos very well and can put on a stellar match. Bryan and Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler are able to tear down the house on any given night. Give these guys the right storyline and the right build up, with the WWE machine behind them and they can pull of a memorable mania. Having the tried and tested veterans and legends involved doesn't hurt at all though.

 

[GoShtate]

Who wants to watch Taker vs Barrett? Barrett will not end the streak so why waste everyone's time? As for the topic at hand, no they couldn't but it isn't a knock on the talent there. In fact I think this current generation has some great talent. The problem lies in how they have been booked. Think of the past two years. Who has gotten a shot at the main belts? Here is the list of "new" guys since WM 26 who have gotten title shots:

Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
Dolph Ziggler
Big Show
Mark Henry
The Miz
Alberto Del Rio
John Cena
Randy Orton
Christian
R-Truth
John Morrison
Edge
Kane
Wade Barrett
Undertaker
Sheamus
Rey Mysterio
Jack Swagger
Batista
Chris Jericho

21 guys in a 24 month span? Come on! I didn't even count guys who got shots in a match with more then 3 people (Elimination Chamber, etc). It takes credibility away from the champ. If someone is the champ you want them to be capable of carrying your company. Who on that list can do that? Undertaker, Cena, Punk, Jericho, Randy Orton, and Edge. Sure the other guys can pop in and get their title shots here and there but why not bring some credibility to your belts. Also, I think it is stupid for them to have 2 belts that basically represent the same thing. You can argue the Heavyweight Championship has lost its luster but its just a matter of time before they put it on someone.

After Austin took the belt at WM14 (my favorite era) look how many other people got shots or reigns:

HBK
Austin
Foley
Undertaker
Kane
The Rock
Triple H
Big Show

Thats right in the 2 year span from WM 14 to 16 there were 7 people who held or challenged for the belt at a PPV. Look at that list, who don't you buy as a champ other then Big Show? However in all fairness to Big Show guys like Great Khali weren't wrestling just because they were big. Big Show was by far the biggest guy on the roster. Now it has turned into a gimmick to be big. Funny part is this was 14 years ago and 3 out of those 7 guys are on the same list above. Playing hot potato with the title does nothing other then tarnish anyone who has or will hold the belt.

So no, the WWE can't put on a buyable PPV without some blasts from the past. It just boggles my mind who continues to pop in and out of the title picture. How about those fucking morons wake up and bring back respect to the IC, Tag Team, and US titles. Then get rid of the heavyweight title.

-RANT OVER

 

[obamartins]

Who wants to watch Taker vs Barrett? Barrett will not end the streak so why waste everyone's time? As for the topic at hand, no they couldn't but it isn't a knock on the talent there. In fact I think this current generation has some great talent. The problem lies in how they have been booked. Think of the past two years. Who has gotten a shot at the main belts? Here is the list of "new" guys since WM 26 who have gotten title shots:

Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
Dolph Ziggler
Big Show
Mark Henry
The Miz
Alberto Del Rio
John Cena
Randy Orton
Christian
R-Truth
John Morrison
Edge
Kane
Wade Barrett
Undertaker
Sheamus
Rey Mysterio
Jack Swagger
Batista
Chris Jericho

21 guys in a 24 month span? Come on! I didn't even count guys who got shots in a match with more then 3 people (Elimination Chamber, etc). It takes credibility away from the champ. If someone is the champ you want them to be capable of carrying your company. Who on that list can do that? Undertaker, Cena, Punk, Jericho, Randy Orton, and Edge. Sure the other guys can pop in and get their title shots here and there but why not bring some credibility to your belts. Also, I think it is stupid for them to have 2 belts that basically represent the same thing. You can argue the Heavyweight Championship has lost its luster but its just a matter of time before they put it on someone.

After Austin took the belt at WM14 (my favorite era) look how many other people got shots or reigns:

HBK
Austin
Foley
Undertaker
Kane
The Rock
Triple H
Big Show

Thats right in the 2 year span from WM 14 to 16 there were 7 people who held or challenged for the belt at a PPV. Look at that list, who don't you buy as a champ other then Big Show? However in all fairness to Big Show guys like Great Khali weren't wrestling just because they were big. Big Show was by far the biggest guy on the roster. Now it has turned into a gimmick to be big. Funny part is this was 14 years ago and 3 out of those 7 guys are on the same list above. Playing hot potato with the title does nothing other then tarnish anyone who has or will hold the belt.

So no, the WWE can't put on a buyable PPV without some blasts from the past. It just boggles my mind who continues to pop in and out of the title picture. How about those fucking morons wake up and bring back respect to the IC, Tag Team, and US titles. Then get rid of the heavyweight title.

-RANT OVER

X-Pac challenged for strap at Capital Carnage 1998, British Bulldog challenged for strap at Unforgiven 1999, Big Bossman challenged for strap at Armageddon 1999.

 

[GoShtate]

X-Pac challenged for strap at Capital Carnage 1998, British Bulldog challenged for strap at Unforgiven 1999, Big Bossman challenged for strap at Armageddon 1999.

If you want to be technical then yes you are right. If you want to look at it realistically then follow me. Capital Carnage was never considered a major PPV. It was done as one of the two PPVs they used to bring outside the US. It was UK exclusive meaning no major titles would change hands and most Americans probably wouldn't even see it. Bulldog as I mentioned in my post I was not counting matches with more then 3 participants. Bulldog was never a contender and a filler in the match. Much like we see nowadays in Elimination Chambers. That was a six person match. If you want to count Bossmans 3 minute squash match against Big Show then go ahead. No one cared about that match or ever will. It was used to keep Shows title warm while Rock and Foley capitalized on the Rock N Sock popularity and HHH could feud with Vince. HHH won the strap back on Raw and headed into the next few PPVs as champ. Big Bossman went back to feuds with the likes of Tazz before being teamed up with Bull Buchanon. You want to count his 3 minutes of fame? Ok.

 

[Shotaro]

The biggest problem that WWE has right now is a roster that is way too large. 54 full time Male superstars. Many of the guys on the two main shows regularly have been involved in the WWE/WHC title scene. It's led to a nightmare scenario where there are ony one or two legitimate main event stars, compared to previous eras where feuds counted for something and importantly they didn't involve the same one on one matches week in and week out.

The unification of the rosters and the main titles is the only way forward, I love guys like Bryan, Ziggler, Rhodes, Kingston and R-Truth. But 10, 20 or 25 years ago they would be stars in a mid-card division that matters not in a holding pattern to join an already crowded main event scene. Look at the feuds and stars that defined their era, Stone cold had a feud that lasted over a year with Vince, Bret Hart and HBK had the same. Hogan was different but that era was when wrestling was the biggest thing going.

In order for a wrestlania with current full time guys to sell they need the exposure and the feuds that matter, not this two shots at the title then have a new guy get a title shot then get two shots then another new main eventer get a shot. Ziggler is on the verge right now but he should stay there for a while yet, let Punk, Cena, Miz, Christian, Big Show, Mark Henry, Orton Mysterio and possibly Barrett (after his lengthy feud with Orton they could have a good new feud over the title) be the main event. Have the other guys craft a mid-card that matters then the current era will start to sell

 

[GoShtate]

The biggest problem that WWE has right now is a roster that is way too large. 54 full time Male superstars. Many of the guys on the two main shows regularly have been involved in the WWE/WHC title scene. It's led to a nightmare scenario where there are ony one or two legitimate main event stars, compared to previous eras where feuds counted for something and importantly they didn't involve the same one on one matches week in and week out.

The unification of the rosters and the main titles is the only way forward, I love guys like Bryan, Ziggler, Rhodes, Kingston and R-Truth. But 10, 20 or 25 years ago they would be stars in a mid-card division that matters not in a holding pattern to join an already crowded main event scene. Look at the feuds and stars that defined their era, Stone cold had a feud that lasted over a year with Vince, Bret Hart and HBK had the same. Hogan was different but that era was when wrestling was the biggest thing going.

In order for a wrestlania with current full time guys to sell they need the exposure and the feuds that matter, not this two shots at the title then have a new guy get a title shot then get two shots then another new main eventer get a shot. Ziggler is on the verge right now but he should stay there for a while yet, let Punk, Cena, Miz, Christian, Big Show, Mark Henry, Orton Mysterio and possibly Barrett (after his lengthy feud with Orton they could have a good new feud over the title) be the main event. Have the other guys craft a mid-card that matters then the current era will start to sell

Exactly. I think Punk, Cena, Del Rio, Orton, Jericho, Mysterio, Barrett (soon) and Kane are all buyable as champs. They can all hold their own in the ring and are solid on the mic. I think guys like Mark Henry and Show should bounce in and out.

I think Daniel Bryan, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Kofi, Ziggler, R-Truth, Christian, Miz, and Sheamus should be in the US/IC title picture.

Tell me your not excited about those mid carders and some of the matches they could put on.

 

[Shotaro]

Exactly. I think Punk, Cena, Del Rio, Orton, Jericho, Mysterio, Barrett (soon) and Kane are all buyable as champs. They can all hold their own in the ring and are solid on the mic. I think guys like Mark Henry and Show should bounce in and out.

I think Daniel Bryan, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Kofi, Ziggler, R-Truth, Christian, Miz, and Sheamus should be in the US/IC title picture.

Tell me your not excited about those mid carders and some of the matches they could put on.

I agree, no doubt some of those guys (in fact likely all of them) will make their way into the main event soon enough, Bryan and Sheamus sooner than most I would guess. It would lead to a lot of quality feuds at more levels of the roster. Del Rio and Bryan are pretty interchangeable in fact, I think Bryan is more over now than Del Rio ever has been but my understanding is that Del Rio is in the main event because his salary dictates it

 

[SomeAreSet]

It would be difficult because you either try to build the strongest main event you can and leave a weak undercard,or you try to match your biggest stars with the up-and-comers and spread the talent evenly in different matches,but end up having weaker main events.

Are the current talent who don't like the fact that old stars are coming back to take their spots right? It depends,current talent obviously don't draw as much as past talent,but at the same time the WWE could have spent their resources on building current stars and turn them into credible main eventers.

I think the current stars have the ability to make WrestleMania special. We obviously don't need to talk about how popular Cena,Punk and Orton are. If you count Jericho as a full-time wrestler,that easily makes 2 main events that people want to see. There are a lot of up and comers whom I like: Dolph Ziggler,Sheamus,Cody Rhodes,Zack Ryder,etc. They all look good in the ring and they're interesting. Daniel Bryan is becoming a really good heel,and he's so smarmy and self-righteous that people would want to see him get beat and lose the title,maybe even pay to see him lose the title. Big Show and Kane can be put anywhere on the card,so they can always be relied on. All these without even counting the injured stars like Rey Mysterio,Alberto Del Rio and Christian. Could they sell a million PPVs? Maybe,it'll be a stretch,but with the right booking they could.

Or you could book Cena vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania. That would surely sell a million PPVs. Add Punk vs. Bryan. Maybe Jericho vs. Orton,Sheamus vs. Big Show,Kane vs. Ryder. Throw in a ladder match for either the IC title or the US title. Surely that'll pack enough excitement for WrestleMania. It obviously won't be the best WrestleMania ever (Nothing would ever top WrestleMania 17) but I don't think it would be a disappointing PPV.

 

[GoShtate]

I agree, no doubt some of those guys (in fact likely all of them) will make their way into the main event soon enough, Bryan and Sheamus sooner than most I would guess. It would lead to a lot of quality feuds at more levels of the roster. Del Rio and Bryan are pretty interchangeable in fact, I think Bryan is more over now than Del Rio ever has been but my understanding is that Del Rio is in the main event because his salary dictates it

I agree with Bryan and Del Rio. Personally, I like Del Rio. I think his character is great and he is a great heel. Bryan's character has just started coming around and I think your right about the heat he is drawing. I don't know what it is about Bryan though. It's just hard for me to consider him a staple of the main event picture. Sure he deserves a lot of what is coming to him but I need to see him play out this title reign. So far he hasn't had a feud with anyone at the main event level that he can actually perform with. I think Orton needs to come into the picture and feud with Bryan. Bryan can do a lot for Orton because Orton is getting stale right now.

However, it's hard to see Sheamus not win the title at Mania. It's hard to believe you win the Rumble and then lose at Mania to a champ like Bryan. Hopefully this evolves into a solid feud.

 

[GoShtate]

It would be difficult because you either try to build the strongest main event you can and leave a weak undercard,or you try to match your biggest stars with the up-and-comers and spread the talent evenly in different matches,but end up having weaker main events.

Are the current talent who don't like the fact that old stars are coming back to take their spots right? It depends,current talent obviously don't draw as much as past talent,but at the same time the WWE could have spent their resources on building current stars and turn them into credible main eventers.

I think the current stars have the ability to make WrestleMania special. We obviously don't need to talk about how popular Cena,Punk and Orton are. If you count Jericho as a full-time wrestler,that easily makes 2 main events that people want to see. There are a lot of up and comers whom I like: Dolph Ziggler,Sheamus,Cody Rhodes,Zack Ryder,etc. They all look good in the ring and they're interesting. Daniel Bryan is becoming a really good heel,and he's so smarmy and self-righteous that people would want to see him get beat and lose the title,maybe even pay to see him lose the title. Big Show and Kane can be put anywhere on the card,so they can always be relied on. All these without even counting the injured stars like Rey Mysterio,Alberto Del Rio and Christian. Could they sell a million PPVs? Maybe,it'll be a stretch,but with the right booking they could.

Or you could book Cena vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania. That would surely sell a million PPVs. Add Punk vs. Bryan. Maybe Jericho vs. Orton,Sheamus vs. Big Show,Kane vs. Ryder. Throw in a ladder match for either the IC title or the US title. Surely that'll pack enough excitement for WrestleMania. It obviously won't be the best WrestleMania ever (Nothing would ever top WrestleMania 17) but I don't think it would be a disappointing PPV.

I think you actually did just make a good card with the talent at hand. Although I completely agree about your up and comers the question remains would you want to see guys like Ziggler, Sheamus, Cody Rhodes, Zack Ryder, etc in the main event picture? For me it is a no. I like Cody right where he is although he does need to pick up a feud he can sink his teeth into. Big Show isn't it. Ziggler is one of my favorites but I just can't buy him as a top guy. Every year at the Rumble he seems to be in the title match and it just doesn't intrigue me. Sheamus really does nothing for me, but that is just me.

 

[Jdulemba1001]

Heres the thing. The current roster is fine for most PPV. But, your question was about Wrestlemania. The WWE wants all the current fans to buy the show of course, but they also want "old school" fans to tune it for their biggest show. Those fans want the older stars. I watched a royal rumble a few years ago with some friends and they only knew the older returns that happened that night. If you want it to feel special at WM then you need those guys. As for Rock "taking a spot" Step and and earn it, and maybe he wouldnt be needed so badly.

 

[Wrestlemania 20-0]

an Wrestlemania at Stade de france the dream for an wrestling french fan not only for Bercy shows.
An ppv will be great in France,very tired to see americans they can see all superstars all days.

 

[Loveless]

No. Just no. You don't realize that they could just as easily have a PPV start earlier when it's based in the US as if it was in Europe. There's a reason they don't do that. There's a reason PPVs start at the time they do. Because it gives them the absolute most buys possible. The extra international buys and US younger audience buys would not make up the difference. Likely not even close. Just ask the UFC, they know - when they have an event in England, they don't even bother putting it on PPV. It's on cable TV.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that WWE fans would refuse to buy Wrestlefuckingmania because it's on during the day? Ludicrous. Not only would they but you'd get an increased audience because you don't have the issue of kids needing to be in bed early. Plus a huge spike in European buyrates for the same reason.

 

[The Rob]

Just found this on Bleacher Report. Thought it should be talked about.

At the WrestleMania XXIX press conference a few weeks ago, The Rock stated that he would be at the event, but didn't say in what capacity. However this source is saying that The Rock will actually compete at the event. Now, it's too early to say whether this will happen, and this source could be a whole bag of lies of course. But it's interesting to think of who he could face if this does happen. Could this whole thing with Cena be a long-term thing, and they wrestle again at XXIX? I think that all depends on how good their first match is together this year. CM Punk? Possibly. It would help Punk get over even more if he was to wrestle The Rock at the biggest show of the year. Who else do you think he could wrestle and what do you think of the rock wrestling at WrestleMania XXIX to start with, if it happens?

Link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1081646-wwe-news-sources-reveal-the-rocks-role-at-wrestlemania-29

Below is the quote from the above link:

After the Rock teased that he would appear at WrestleMania 29 in East Rutherford, New Jersey next year, sources within WWE have told PWTorch that Rock will be competing at the show.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I don't think his Cena feud will go any further than their match at Mania. For next year, ye someone like Punk or even Randy can be considered. Rocky's already been heavily involved with 2 Manias counting this one and I do really see him being involved in this capacity for the forseeable future.



For me, make it Orton. Have Orton actually be more coherent, vocal in this feud. Rather than being righteous like Cena, have Randy attack Rocky on sets/press conference and actually have them be super violent.

 

[cmjericho]

Well it had been reported a few months back that the Rock Cena fued could possibly be a best ouf of 3. I feel as thought the Rock and Cena will have a match at WM and then e rematch at Summer Slam. Each winning once. And then the final showdown, the tiebreaker if you will, at next years WM. Personally I would like to see the Rock in a different fued but besides Cena and maybe Punk there isnt really anyone deserving to even face the Rock at wrestlemania.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I believe he will inducted into the Hall of Fame prior to WM 29. As for who he fights against, if he does fight at the show, probably John Cena. If not Cena then possibly The Undertaker (if he's still around), Stone Cold (would he come back for one more match against the Rock?), Triple H?

It won't be some young star. It will be a big name guy for sure.

 

[Shotaro]

He could be at the show as a HOF inductee, I think the only thing that could halt that is if the Undertaker were to retire, I would wager that at one point they were probably planning for Rock to be inducted this year but then Edge happened and sadly Edge's career doesn't have the legendary status that the Rock's career does. So edge needed his induction pretty much straight away

 

[SFC]

For me, Punk is the most likely name. A feud on the mic between the two of them would be tremendous, and don't forget, part of Punk's "shoot" focused on "Dwayne" getting the spotlight.

Orton also is a viable option, though I'm not sure if people would be as interested, unless as mentioned above, was made very physical.

They could go the best two of three for the Cena route, but that may be watered down at that point.

Another option one has to think would be Austin. While many would be hoping for Austin's last match (if it ever happens) would be with a guy like Punk, I could definitely see them going an Austin/Rock route. I'm not going to give any fantasy booking suggestions, but it obviously would not be a hard feud to build, and could be built relatively quickly.

All just ideas. I know I'll be in attendance, so looking forward to it!

 

[rge2010]

So more proof The Rock is going to stick around, yet a vast amount of the IWC are still bitching and moaning about him 'leaving'. He did a few Raws prior to WM27, he came back a few times and appeared at Survivor Series and now he will be frequent on Raw leading up to WM28. Beyond that I expect Summerslam 12 and WM29 now. I'd say thats pretty darn good point for a part timer!!!!

Wrestlemania 29 huh....hmmmm, maybe a Cena rematch, a crack at the streak or match with Punk or Orton. I would also enjoy Rock vs Austin IV!!!!!

 

[justinept]

So more proof The Rock is going to stick around, yet a vast amount of the IWC are still bitching and moaning about him 'leaving'. He did a few Raws prior to WM27, he came back a few times and appeared at Survivor Series and now he will be frequent on Raw leading up to WM28. Beyond that I expect Summerslam 12 and WM29 now. I'd say thats pretty darn good point for a part timer!!!!

My biggest problem with The Rock's "return" is that it doesn't seem to provide a long-term benefit to the WWE product. The product has been stale for 5-6 years, and there's no question that bringing back The Rock will help increase struggling ratings and buy rates in the short term. However, what happens if/when The Rock leaves? Given that more people will watch a wrestling show featuring The Rock, I'm a believer that the company needs to be using his appearances to promote their young talent to the people that haven't watched the product in years. Their end goal in all this should be to keep as much of the increased audience as possible once Rock leaves again.

Instead, the WWE has focused all its attention on Rock/Cena, and turned Jericho/Punk and Shaemus/Bryan into an after thought at WrestleMania. That, in my opinion, won't give the increased audience any reason to stick around once The Rock leaves again.

Let's say this report is accurate and that The Rock will have a match at WrestleMania 29 - I'll even go so far as to assume that The Rock will have a match at Summer Slam. Honestly, all that does, in my opinion, is give the WWE more time with the increase audience. If The Rock is around for the next year, and the WWE continues on their current course of just focusing on The Rock instead of their young talent, then we'll be right back here next year saying the same things.

Bottom line: The short-term success of bringing back The Rock is obvious. He has brought back a lot of fans that stopped watching the product and has made WrestleMania a must-see event this year. However, the ultimate success or failure of his return will be in how many fans stick around and watch the product once he leaves again. For all this to work, the WWE needs to do a better job of exposing their top talent to the increased audience.