Wrestlezone Tournament Discussion

[IrishCanadian25]

Jerry Lawler's credentials astound me. Here is a guy who never had the best physique, the best look, or really the best anything - but damn he may have been among the most consistent of all time along side the Ric Flairs and Harley Races of the world. Lawler is a true legend of the territorial wrestling system.

The number that really stands out is the 30 time Southern Heavyweight Wrestling Champion with the AWA. That seems ridiculous. 30 times? That doesn't tell me "Wow, he WON that title 30 times!" It tells me "WOW, he LOST that title 30 times." I think that works against him more than for him.

One great thing about him was his ability to build and create a feud. I remember despising him in 1993 against Bret Hart, and the Kiss my Foot match being a classic idea. Lawler created awesome vignettes and, even if you were not sold on him as a wrestler at that stage, he was a classic smart heel. I see a lot of Lawler in Matt Striker.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Just finished looking through all of the seeds and everything looks great so far, the only two wrestlers who I think deserved to be higher are Harley Race and Jerry Lawler. I will be supporting Ric Flair, Triple H, Bret Hart and The Undertaker throughout the tournament and hope one of them wins. When will the voting begin Asparagus?

 

[Shocky]

The #20 Seeds.

#77. ECW Region #20 The King of Old School Steve Corino
Total Points: 288
Credentials:
* 1 Pro Wrestling
o 1PW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Absolute Intense Wrestling
o AIW Absolute Championship (1 time)
* AWA Superstars of Wrestling
o AWA World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Ricky Landell
* Appalachia Pro Wrestling
o APW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Blue Water Championship Wrestling
o BWCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* East Coast Wrestling Association
o ECWA Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Lance Diamond
* Eastern Shores Wrestling
o ESW Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Funking Conservatory
o FC !BANG! Television Championship (1 time)
o FC Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Adam Windsor
* German Stampede Wrestling
o GSW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* High Risk Pro Wrestling
o HRPW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Independent Wrestling Federation
o IWF American Championship (2 times)
* Independent Pro Wrestling
o IPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Independent Pro Wrestling Alliance
o IPWA Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o IPWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Adam Flash
* Intercontinental Wrestling Association
o IWA-PA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* International High Powered Wrestling
o IHPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling Association
o IWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o IWA World Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling Federation
o IWF World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* KYDA Pro Wrestling
o KYDA Pro Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o KYDA Pro Mid-Atlantic Championship (1 time)
* Major League Wrestling
o MLW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Mid-Eastern Wrestling Federation
o MEWF Light Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o MEWF Mid-Atlantic Championship (1 time)
o MEWF Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Jimmy Cicero
* NWA Florida
o NWA Florida Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA Florida Southern Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA New Jersey
o NWA United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Lance Diamond
o NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship (New Jersey version) (1 time)
* NWA New Jersey / New York
o NWA New Jersey / New York Heavyweight Championship (1 time; only champion)
* NWA Southwest
o NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA 2000
o NWA 2000 American Heritage Championship (1 time)
o NWA 2000 Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Organization of Modern Extreme Grappling Arts
o OMEGA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Pennsylvania Championship Wrestling
o PCW Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Platinum Pro Wrestling
o PPW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time, current)
* Premier Wrestling Federation
o PWF Universal Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
o PWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with C.W. Anderson
* Pro Wrestling World-1
o PWW-1 Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with C.W. Anderson
* Pro Wrestling ZERO1-MAX
o NWA Intercontinental Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Mike Rapada (1), C.W. Anderson (1), and Yutaka Yoshie (1)
o ZERO1-MAX United States Openweight Championship (2 times)
* Pure Wrestling Association
o PWA Pure Wrestling Championship (1 time)
* Southern Championship Wrestling
o SCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o SCW Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Union of Independent Professional Wrestlers
o UIPW Union Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* United States Championship Wrestling
o USCW Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Adam Flash
* United States Extreme Wrestling
o UXW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Council
o WWC World Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year award in 2000
* Other Titles
o OPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

#78. TNA Region #20 Chris Sabin
Total Points: 277
Credentials:

* All American Wrestling

* AAW Tag Team Championship (1 time, current)

* All Japan Pro Wrestling

* AJPW Junior League (2007)

* Blue Water Championship Wrestling

* BWCW Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)

* Border City Wrestling

* BCW Can-Am Television Championship (2 times)

* Full Impact Wrestling

* FIW American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Great Lakes All-Pro Wrestling

* GLAPW Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* International Wrestling Cartel

* IWC Super Indy Championship (1 time)
* IWC Super Indy Tournament winner (2004)

* Maryland Championship Wrestling

* MCW Cruiserweight Championship (2 times)

* Maximum Pro Wrestling

* MXPW Cruiserweight Championship (2 times)
* MXPW Television Championship (1 time)

* Michigan Wrestling League

* MWL Light Heavyweight Champion (1 time)

* NWA Florida

* Jeff Peterson Memorial Cup (2005)

* NWA Great Lakes

* NWA Great Lakes Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Great Lakes Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Ontario Championship Wrestling

* OCW Tag Team Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling ZERO1-MAX

* NWA International Lightweight Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – with Alex Shelley

* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling

* TNA X Division Championship (4 times)
* TNA Super X Cup (2003)
* World X Cup (2004 & 2006 as Team USA)

* World Wrestling All-Stars

* WWA International Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)

* Xtreme Intense Championship Wrestling

* XICW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Truth Martini

#79. WCW Region #20 Jerry Lynn
Total Points: 264
Credentials:
* 3X Wrestling
o 3XW World Heavyweight Championship
* All American Wrestling
o AAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Anarchy Championship Wrestling
o IWA Texas-ACW Championship (1 time)
* Continental Wrestling Association
o CWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* East Coast Wrestling Association
o ECWA Super 8 Tournament winner (2007)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Gateway Championship Wrestling
o GCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Global Wrestling Federation
o GWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Independent Wrestling Association East Coast
o IWA East Coast Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
o IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* New Era Pro Wrestling
o NEPW Triple Crown Championship (1 time)
* New York Wrestling Connection
o NYWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NYWC Hi-Fi Championship (1-time)
o NYWC Interstate Championship (1 time)
* Pro Wrestling America
o PWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o PWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with The Lightning Kid
o PWA Light Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 281 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year Award (1999)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with A.J. Styles (1) and Amazing Red (1)
o TNA X Division Championship (2 times)
o 2004 World X Cup Winner (with Chris Sabin, Christopher Daniels and Elix Skipper as Team USA)
* World Wrestling All-Stars
o WWA International Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

#80. WWE Region #20 Brian "Spanky" Kendrick
Total Points: 249
Credentials:
* Full Impact Pro

* FIP Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Sal Rinauro
* Florida Rumble (2004)

* Memphis Championship Wrestling

* MCW Southern Light Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
* MCW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with American Dragon

* Pro Wrestling ZERO-ONE | ZERO1-MAX

* NWA International Lightweight Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Low Ki (1) and Kaz Hayashi (1)
* NWA/UPW/ZERO-ONE International Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time) (First)
* ZERO1-MAX United States Openweight Championship (1 time)

* Texas Wrestling Alliance

* TWA Television Championship (1 time)
* TWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with American Dragon

* World Wrestling Entertainment

* WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Paul London1
* World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Paul London

​

 

[Shadowmancer]

Finally the King of Old School is here. He should be able to do great in the Home Field advantage of ECW. 51 or so Titles all up. He is Awesome, If you research one name. Make sure it is Steve Corino. No matter what Sly says on this Steve Corino is a Better Wrestler than John Cena and Hulk Hogan. Go look for the promo he cut in front of a Limp Bisket Crowd. He was getting White Heat out of that crowd. His role in Wrestling will be forgotten by this generation of Fans because he never Wrestled for either WCW or WWE at their Heights. He is the last of the Old School Journeyman Wrestlers, of the likes of Bruiser Brody, Lou Thesz and Andre the Giant.

 

[Shocky]

Time to get these things going again.

The number 21 seeds.

#81. WWE Region #21 Keiji Mutoh aka The Great Muta
Total Points: 241
Credentials:
* All Japan Pro Wrestling

* AJPW Triple Crown Championship (2 times)
* AJPW Unified World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Taiyō Kea (1) and Arashi (1)
* Champion's Carnival winner in 2002
* Champion's Carnival winner in 2004
* Champion's Carnival winner in 2007
* World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 2001 – with Taiyō Kea
* World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 2007 – with Joe Doering

* Championship Wrestling from Florida

* NWA Florida Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* New Japan Pro Wrestling

* IWGP World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
* IWGP World Tag Team Championship (6 times) – with Hiroshi Hase (2), Masahiro Chono (2), Shiro Koshinaka (1) and Taiyō Kea (1)
* NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Greatest 18 Championship (1 time)
* G1 Climax winner in 1995
* Super Grade Tag League winner in 1993 – with Hiroshi Hase
* Super Grade Tag League winner in 1994 – with Hiroshi Hase
* Super Grade Tag League winner in 1997 – with Masahiro Chono
* Super Grade Tag League winner in 1998 – with Satoshi Kojima
* G1 Climax Tag League winner in 1999 – with Scott Norton

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 3 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2002.1
* PWI ranked him # 25 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 22 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Hiro Hase in 2003.

* Tokyo Sports Grand Prix

* Best Tag Team of 2005 (with Akebono)

* World Championship Wrestling

* NWA World Television Championship (1 time)
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Vampiro
* WCW BattleBowl winner in 1992

* World Wrestling Council

* WWC Puerto Rico Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* WWC World Television Championship (1 time)

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1999)
* Match of the Year award in 2001 - vs. Genichiro Tenryu
* Most Improved Wrestler award in 2001
* Wrestler of the Year award in 2001

#82. WCW Region #21 The Ultimate Warrior
Total Points: 238
Credentials:
* World Class Wrestling Association

* WCWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Lance Von Erich
* WCWA Texas Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF Championship (1 time)
* WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)

#83. TNA Region #21 Rick "The Model" Martel
Total Points: 235
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association

* AWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Georgia Championship Wrestling

* NWA Georgia Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Tommy Rich

* Lutte Internationale (Montreal)

* Canadian International Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* NWA All-Star Wrestling

* NWA Canadian Tag Team Championship (Vancouver version) (1 time) – with Roddy Piper

* Mid-Pacific Promotions

* NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (Hawaii version) (1 time)

* NWA New Zealand

* NWA British Commonwealth Heavyweight Championship (New Zealand version) (3 times)

* Pacific Northwest Wrestling

* NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Roddy Piper

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 48 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003
* PWI ranked him # 70 of the 100 best tag teams during the PWI years with Tito Santana in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 74 of the 100 best tag teams during the PWI Years with Tony Garea in 2003.

* Stampede Wrestling

* Stampede International Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Lenny Hurst

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW World Television Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Council

* WWC North American Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Pierre Martel

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF World Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Tony Garea (2) and Tito Santana (1)

#84. ECW Region #21 The Big Show/Giant Paul Wight
Total Points: 233
Credentials:
* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Lex Luger (1), Sting (1) and Scott Hall (1)
o WCW World War 3 winner (1996)
* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with The Undertaker (2) and Kane (1)
o WWE Championship (2 times)
o WWF Hardcore Championship (3 times)
o WWE United States Championship (1 time)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Rookie of the Year award in 1996
o PWI Wrestler of the Year award in 1996
o PWI ranked him # 137 of the best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003
​

 

[Uncle Sam]

Roughly how long is it going to take to get this thing started? I ask because I simply can't wait.

I think right now the dark horses are coming into it - guys that have a larger fan base than you'd expect and would score some upsets. The AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels of the singles tournament. That's not really fair though, as they had me backing them. Warrior and Muta, I think they'll do better than expected, but the Big Show's a guy that I don't think will get much of a reaction either way and will sort of just drop out without anyone caring or noticing.

My prediction of biggest upset: AJ Styles will take down another massive legend like last year when he beat Hogan. It was a ladder match, but still, it was a huge upset. Either that or Brian Kendrick will beat The Undertaker...

 

[Shocky]

Probably by the end of this month it will get started. I think your right though, we are getting to the point of the tournament were the upset specialist are going to be showing themselves out. I think from this point on, it's unrealistic that anyone makes the final four, but could take down some guys that could make it that far.

The Big Show went far last year, I wouldn't sleep on the idea of him making it pretty far in this thing. People forget how good the Giant was when he first started out in the business, and yes, it was WWE owned, but he is the only man to win the WWE/WCW and ECW world heavyweight championships.

And if Brian Kendrick beats the Undertaker, I would probably shoot myself.

 

[tarp]

A few disappointments first off the seedings of Andrea, Harley Race, Jerry Lawler, and even Dusty Rhodes. Of course being a Flair man its hard to say that. Harleys seeding is a true insult. PWI ranked him #8 folks. Come on. How I wish people would go and watch the old school matches.
I'm not sure if I've missed it but where is Arn Anderson. A great tag wrestler and indivual. He is in my opinion the great wrestler to never hold the heavyweight gold. I hope he shows up soon or even better I missed him. Also Tully Blanchard!

 

[IrishCanadian25]

A few disappointments first off the seedings of Andrea, Harley Race, Jerry Lawler, and even Dusty Rhodes. Of course being a Flair man its hard to say that. Harleys seeding is a true insult. PWI ranked him #8 folks. Come on. How I wish people would go and watch the old school matches.
I'm not sure if I've missed it but where is Arn Anderson. A great tag wrestler and indivual. He is in my opinion the great wrestler to never hold the heavyweight gold. I hope he shows up soon or even better I missed him. Also Tully Blanchard!

Serious Horsemen fan here!

The old axiom is "out of sight, out of mind." Fact is, some of the old school guys get placed in the teens or 20's on a lot of our sheets because its hard to ignore the current greats. The cool thing about that is, tarp, the upsets we might see. There are plenty of old school fans who will make a great case for the Harley Races of the world to upset a Chris Benoit. I am a huge Tully Blanchard guy, and if and when he shows up on this thing I will be in his corner big time. Just make sure you participate when the match ups come out.

 

[Uncle Sam]

And if Brian Kendrick beats the Undertaker, I would probably shoot myself.

Probably in a Casket match. Or a HIAC match. Or a buried alive match. Or a, look, 'Taker's got a lot specialty matches...

On that note, I've got to wonder how big a role match gimmicks are going to have in this thing. I think popularity alone will carry people, but gimmicks could play a part, particularly in close matches. Odds are, they'll play in favour for the more athletic wrestlers, particularly X Divisioners/ Cruiserweights.

 

[Shocky]

So the plan right now is to have all of the top half of the tournament announced by this Saturday, so I gotta bust some ass to get there. So here are the #22 seeds. Honestly, I think I might just start this thing after the Royal Rumble, it's big enough to last until Wrestlemania if milked properly.

#85. ECW Region #22 The Wildcat Chris Harris
Total Points: 232
Credentials:
* Frontier Elite Wrestling

* FEW Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with James Storm

* Interstate Championship Wrestling

* ICW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Mountain Wrestling Association

* MWA Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* MWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Rated X

* Music City Wrestling

* NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* NWA Shockwave

* NWA Cyberspace Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Northern Wrestling Federation

* NWF Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* NWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Sean Casey
* NWF Tri-State Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Tag Team of the Year (2004) - with James Storm

* Superstar Wrestling Federation

* SWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling

* NWA World Tag Team Championship (7 times) – with James Storm (6) and Elix Skipper (1)

* USA Championship Wrestling

* USA North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Council

* WWC World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with James Storm

#86. TNA Region #22 The Tennessee Cowboy James Storm
Total Points: 232
Credentials:
* Frontier Elite Wrestling

* FEW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with "Wildcat" Chris Harris

* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling

* NWA World Tag Team Championship (7 times) – with "Wildcat" Chris Harris (6) and Christopher Daniels (1)
* World Beer Drinking Championship (2 times, current; First–ever champion) – Note: This is an unofficial TNA Championship

* World Wrestling Council

* WWC World Tag Team Championship (2 time) – with "Wildcat" Chris Harris (1) and Cassidy Riley (1)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Tag Team of the Year award in 2004 - with Wildcat Chris Harris

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Tag Team of the Year in 2005 – with Chris Harris

#87. WCW Region #22 El Matador Tito Santana
Total Points: 225
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Federation
o AWF Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Eastern Championship Wrestling
o ECW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)1
* International World Class Championship Wrestling
o IWCCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Western States Sports
o NWA Western States Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Ted DiBiase
* Northern States Wrestling Alliance
o NSWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Renegade Wrestling Alliance
o RWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* USA Pro Wrestling
o USA Pro Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment
o WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2004)
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Ivan Putski (1) and Rick Martel (1)
o King of the Ring (1989)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Tag Team of the Year award in 1979 – with Ivan Putski
o PWI ranked him # 93 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 70 of the 100 best tag teams during the PWI Years with Rick Martel in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 92 of the 100 best tag teams during the PWI Years with Ivan Putski in 2003.
* Rio Grande Valley Sports Hall of Fame
o Class of 2007
* Other Titles
o CWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o EWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o GWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o IAW Television Championship (1 time)
o NWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o UCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o USA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o UWS Tag Team Championship (1 time)

#88. WWE Region #22 Nigel McGuinness
Total Points: 223
Credentials:
* Heartland Wrestling Association

* HWA Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* HWA European Championship (2 times)
* HWA Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with the Human Time Bomb

* New Breed Wrestling Association

* New Breed Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Ring of Honor

* ROH World Championship (1 time, current)
* ROH Pure Championship (1 time)

* Other

* King of Europe Cup winner (2007)

​

 

[Uncle Sam]

You bastard! You misspelled Nigel McGuinness's name! How dare you.

In all seriousness though, I love Nigel. I honestly think he's a great talent and, him being from roundabouts where I come from, I'm very proud. He's probably the closest thing to an English world champion that we're going to encounter between now and, well, maybe forever. I know that technically he's a world champion now, but you know what I mean.

Despite that, I don't think he'll do well, particularly if we have the same people from the WZ awards (forum ones, not "official") voting in this. He'll probably lose to... I don't know, Gillberg. And I'll be pissed off.

EDIT: Wow, both AMW members got the exact same points? That's pretty cool.

 

[Shocky]

Haha, sorry about that. He used to wrestle here in HWA at the Red Barn Flea Market in Batavia, about 5 miles away from my house. One of my high school buddies parents owned the place, so we always got in to watch him for free. It was pretty cool, especially now that he is actually becoming quite famous. That's why you always try to check out local shows, you never, never know what you're going to witness.

I like what I see out of McGuinness, but I tend to think like you Sam, if this becomes a popularity contest, (which it shouldn't), then McGuinness, depending on the TNA/ROH fan boys, has no shot in hell of going out of the first round in this thing. That's why I'm not sure if I want this thing to get too big and decided by a bunch of people that really don't know the business, but that's my opinion anyway.

 

[Shocky]

Cranking them on out, the #23 seeds.

#89. WWE Region #23 The World's Most Dangerous Man Ken Shamrock
Total Points: 218
Credentials:
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o 1997 Most Improved Wrestler of the Year
o PWI ranked him # 226 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003
* South Atlantic Pro Wrestling
o SAPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Champion (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Big Boss Man
o King of the Ring (1998)
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o 2002 Feud of the Year – vs. Tito Ortiz
o 2006 Feud of the Year - vs. Tito Ortiz

#90. WCW Region #23 The Enforcer Arn Anderson
Total Points: 212
Credentials:
* Georgia Championship Wrestling

* NWA National Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Ole Anderson

* Jim Crockett Promotions | World Championship Wrestling

* NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Paul Roma1
* NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (2 times) - with Tully Blanchard
* NWA World Television Championship (3 times) (Last)
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Larry Zbyszko (1), Bobby Eaton (1), and Paul Roma (1)
* WCW World Television Championship (2 times) (First)

* Southeastern Championship Wrestling

* NWA Southeast Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Jerry Stubbs (3) and Pat Rose (1)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Tully Blanchard

#91. TNA Region #23 Billy Kidman
Total Points: 210
Credentials:
* East Coast Wrestling Association

* ECWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Ace Darling
* ECWA Hall of Fame (Class of 2004)

* Revolution Xtreme Wrestling

* RXW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time, current)

* Trans-World Wrestling Federation

* TWWF Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)

* United States Wrestling Association

* USWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Ace Darling

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW Cruiserweight Championship (3 times)
* WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championship (1 time; final) – with Rey Misterio, Jr.
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rey Misterio, Jr. (1) and Konnan (1) [1]

* World Series Wrestling
o WSW Heavyweight Championship (1 time, current)

* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment

* WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Paul London [1]
* WWF/WWE Cruiserweight Championship (4 times) [1]

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 313 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003

#92. ECW Region #23 Sgt. Slaughter
Total Points: 208
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association

* AWA America's Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* AWA British Empire Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Central States Wrestling

* NWA Central States Heavyweight Championship (3 times)

* Maple Leaf Wrestling

* NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship (Toronto version) (1 time)

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling

* NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time) - with Don Kernodle

* NWA Tri-State

* NWA United States Tag Team Championship (Tri-State Version) (1 time) - with Buck Robley

* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment

* WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2004)
* WWF Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year award in 1984
* PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year award in 1991
* PWI ranked him # 34 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 29 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Don Kernodle in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Match of the Year award in 1981 - vs. Pat Patterson

* Other Titles

* NWF American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* USA Pro Wrestling Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

​

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I was all set to mark out for AMW (two of my favorites right now) but I have to commend Asparagus for posting a photo of Tito Santana with the OLD OLD Intercontinental Title Belt. That's the same belt Don Muraco broke on a steel cage, resulting in the greatest physical belt of all time, the Late
80s - Late 90's Intercontinental Belt.

This 8-some is the scariest yet. I have research McGuinness since so many of you have talked to me about him. Again, AMW has the "up and comer" status. Arn Anderson is an all time great. Kidman could beat a WWE or WCW old timer in certain types of matches. Slaughter is harmless. Shamrock is an animal.

 

[tarp]

Serious Horsemen fan here!

The old axiom is "out of sight, out of mind." Fact is, some of the old school guys get placed in the teens or 20's on a lot of our sheets because its hard to ignore the current greats. The cool thing about that is, tarp, the upsets we might see. There are plenty of old school fans who will make a great case for the Harley Races of the world to upset a Chris Benoit. I am a huge Tully Blanchard guy, and if and when he shows up on this thing I will be in his corner big time. Just make sure you participate when the match ups come out.

Yes it hit the nail on the head, horsemen fanatic! I am glad we got Arn in and I'm sure Tully is coming. You made some great points and it's good to see there are some more horsemen fans out there!

 

[strafro]

This tournament is shaping up very nicely and I am looking forward to the heated debates we all are sure to have once some of the matchups begin to come together. I am also considering running a stable tournament similar to this in the future, do you all think that would go over well?

 

[Shocky]

Onto the #24 seeds

#93. ECW Region #24 Colt Cabana
Total Points: 207
Credentials: * 1 Pro Wrestling
o 1PW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Darren Burridge
* All-Star Championship Wrestling
o ACW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* All Star Wrestling
o ASW People's Championship (1 time)
* Christian Wrestling Alliance
o CWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Wrestling Federation
o EWF Xtreme 8 Tournament winner (2004)
* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
o IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Insane Wrestling Federation
o IWF Michigan Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling Cartel
o IWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o IWC Super Indy Championship (1 time)
* Landmark Wrestling Federation
o LWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Midwest
o NWA Illinois Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Mid-American Wrestling
o MAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Television Championship (1 time)
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – Shawn Spears
* Pro Wrestling WORLD-1 Great Lakes
o WORLD-1 Great Lakes Openweight Championship (1 time)
* Ring of Honor
o ROH Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with CM Punk
* Steel Domain Wrestling
o SDW Television Championship (1 time)
* UWA Hardcore Wrestling
o UWA Canadian Championship (1 time)
* Other Titles
o ICW/ICWA Texarkana Television Championship (5 times)
o MCW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Steve Stone
o MMW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o PWF Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)
o WC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

#94. TNA Region #24 Superfly Jimmy Snuka
Total Points: 200
Credentials:
* Big Time Wrestling

* NWA Texas Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Texas Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Gino Hernandez

* Continental Wrestling Association

* CWA International Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with JT Southern

* Eastern Championship Wrestling

* ECW Heavyweight Championship (2 times)1
* ECW Television Championship (1 time)

* Georgia Championship Wrestling

* NWA National Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Terry Gordy

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling

* NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time)
* NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (2 times) - with Paul Orndorff (1) and Ray Stevens (1)

* NWA All-Star Wrestling

* NWA Canadian Tag Team Championship (Vancouver version) (1 time) - with Don Leo Jonathan

* Pacific Northwest Wrestling

* NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (5 times)
* NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (6 times) - with Dutch Savage

* World Wide Wrestling Alliance

* WWWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Tag Team of the Year award - with Ray Stevens in 1980.
* PWI Match of the Year award - vs Bob Backlund in 1982.
* PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year award in 1983.
* PWI ranked him #29 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
* PWI ranked him #41 of the 100 best tag teams during the "PWI Years" with Ray Stevens.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Tag Team of the Year award in 1981 - with Terry Gordy
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1981

* Other Titles

* Tri-State Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* USA New York Championship (1 time)
* USA Pro Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

#95. WCW Region #24 The Franchise Shane Douglas
Total Points: 198
Credentials:
* Border City Wrestling
o BCW Can-Am Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Eastern Championship Wrestling | Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o ECW World Television Championship (2 times)
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* International Wrestling Association
o IWA Heavyweight Champion (Ohio version) (1 time)

* Major League Wrestling
o MLW Heavyweight Championship (1 time (First)

* Midwest Wrestling United
o MWU Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* New Era Wrestling
o NEW Northeast Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

* North American Wrestling Alliance
o NAWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling Xpress
o PWX Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Southeastern Championship Wrestling
o NWA Southeast Continental Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Lord Humongous

* Southern Championship Wrestling
o SCW Heavyweight Champioonship (1 time)

* Superstar Wrestling Federation
o SWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* USA Pro Wrestling
o USA Pro Wrestling Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* United States Wrestling League
o USWL Unified Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Universal Wrestling Federation

* UWF Television Championship (1 time)

* World Championship Wrestling
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Ricky Steamboat
o WCW Hardcore Championship (1 time)
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Ricky Steamboat (1) and Buff Bagwell (1)

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)

* Xtreme Pro Wrestling
o XPW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Superstar Wrestling Federation
o SWF Heavyweight Championship

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked Douglas #118 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003
o PWI ranked Douglas #82 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years in 2003 - with Ricky Steamboat

#96. WWE Region #24 Delirious
Total Points: 198
Credentials:
* Central States Wrestling

* CSW Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)

* CHIKARA

* Campeonatos de Parejas (1 time, current) – with Hallowicked

* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South

* IWA Mid-South Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* International Wrestling Cartel

* IWC Super Indy Championship (1 time)

* NWA Midwest

* NWA Midwest X Division Championship (1 time)
* NWA Wildside

* NWA Wildside Super Indy Champion (2004)

* Ring of Honor

* Survival of the Fittest winner (2006)

* Other Titles

* ICW-ICWA Tex-Arkana Television Championship (5 times)

​

 

[MC Damn]

Shane Douglas Is a great wrestler with brillant promo delivring.Nigel McGuinness can go far but I bet some members of the forum aren,t big on him.Well I,ll be supporting Nigel.And I hope a few others can relaise he is a brillant talent.

 

[justinsayne]

Finally Colt Cabana and Delirious make their appearances in this thing, unfortunately I don't see them lasting long, since most people here probably aren't all that familiar with them, but damn those have got to be two of the most entertaining guys I've seen step into a ring in a log time, you see them wrestle matches against each other and they're great, they have the action and all the other stuff you look for in a match plus both are able to bring a certain comedic element to the matches, and promos, two guys that I'm sure will most likely get over looked, and eliminated early, which is a shame

 

[Lacresha Green]

I really miss the old school wrestling before you had the owners all in the ring talking,wrestling. Igo back sometimes and watch my wrestlmania dvds from the very first one.Now that was the best. I enjoy now but smackdown is alright but not as good RAW.But I can not complain I watch every show and go to the matches when they come to Rochester.But I do miss the good times.

 

[thecruiser]

Colt Cabana! I really can't wait for him to debut on SmackDown or ECW or something. Him teaming with CM Punk in the WWE would be AWESOME.

 

[strafro]

Good to see Jimmy Snuka in there finally, he always seems to be one of those older wrestlers that had a great career but never was a huge draw or won any of the major world titles and therefore gets overlooked.

I am not too high on Delirious and think who could go a few rounds based solely on his hardcore fan base. Cabana is another who may be a dark horse for an upset for the same reason as Delirious.

Also Shane Douglas fits into the hardcore fanbase section with these other two but he only got over based on the genius of Heyman and not by his own merits, I hope is gone early because he does not deserve the credit that a lot of people give him.

 

[Shocky]

Onto the #25 seeds, and we"re now cracking the top 100.

#97. WWE Region #25 Ron Simmons DAMN!
Total Points: 194
Credentials:
* Championship Wrestling from Florida
o NWA Florida Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Memphis Championship Wrestling
o MCW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Bradshaw

* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Bradshaw

* World Championship Wrestling

*
o WCW United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Big Josh
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Butch Reed (First)

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Bradshaw

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year award in 1992
o PWI ranked him # 108 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 91 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Butch Reed in 2003.

#98. WCW Region #25 Kenta Kobashi
Total Points: 190
Credentials:
* All Japan Pro Wrestling
o AJPW All Asia Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with Mitsuharu Misawa (1), Johnny Ace (2) and Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (1)
o AJPW Triple Crown Championship (3 times)
o AJPW Unified World Tag Team Championship (6 times) – with Mitsuharu Misawa (2), Johnny Ace (2) and Jun Akiyama (2)
o Champion's Carnival winner in 2000
o World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 1993 – with Mitsuharu Misawa
o World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 1994 – with Mitsuharu Misawa
o World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 1995 – with Mitsuharu Misawa
o World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 1998 – with Jun Akiyama
o World's Strongest Tag Team League winner in 1999 – with Jun Akiyama
* Pro Wrestling NOAH
o GHC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o GHC Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Tamon Honda
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1996.
o PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2000.
o PWI ranked him # 33 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 6 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" in 2003 with Mitsuharu Misawa.
o PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2004.
* Tokyo Sports Grand Prix
o Best bout award in 1997 - vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, All Japan Pro Wrestling, October 21, 1997)
o Best bout award in 1998 - vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, All Japan Pro Wrestling, October 31, 1998)
o Best bout award in 2003 - vs. Mitsuharu Misawa, Pro Wrestling NOAH, March 1, 2003)
o Best bout award in 2004 - vs. Jun Akiyama, Pro Wrestling NOAH, July 10, 2004)
o Best bout award in 2005 - vs. Kensuke Sasaki, Pro Wrestling NOAH, July 18, 2005)
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o 1992 Match of the Year (Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Doug Furnas and Phil Lafon)
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 2002
o Most Improved Wrestler award in 1990
o Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 1993
o 1994 Most Outstanding Wrestler
o Tag Team of the Year award in 1995 - with Mitsuharu Misawa
o Performer of the Year award in 1996
o Match of the Year award in 1998 - vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
o Best Wrestling Maneuver award in 1998 - for the Burning Hammer)
o Match of the Year award in 1999 - vs Mitsuharu Misawa
o Tag Team of the Year award in 1999 - with Jun Akiyama
o Wrestler of the Year award in 1999
o Match of the Year award in 2003 - vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
o Wrestler of the Year award in 2003
o Best Box Office Draw award in 2004
o Match of the Year award in 2004 - vs. Jun Akiyama
o Wrestler of the Year award in 2004
o Best Box Office Draw award in 2005
o Match of the Year award in 2005 - vs. Samoa Joe
o Wrestler of the Year award in 2005

#99. TNA Region #25 The Roaddog Jesse James
Total Points: 188
Credentials:
* Atlantic Coast Championship Wrestling
o ACCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Catch Wrestling Association
o CWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Cannonball Grizzly
* Continental Wrestling Federation
o Continental Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Millennium Wrestling Federation
o MWF World Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – with Beau Douglas
* NWA Wrestle Birmingham
o NWA Alabama Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Konnan and Ron Killings
* United States Wrestling Association
o USWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o USWA Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Tracy Smothers
o USWA Television Championship (2 times; First–ever campion)
* World Wrestling All-Stars
o WWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time; First–ever champion)
* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (5 times) – with Billy Gunn

#100. ECW Region #25 The Japanese Buzzsaw Yoshihiro Tajiri
Total Points: 188
Credentials:
* Big Japan Pro Wrestling
o BJW World Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o BJW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Ryuji Yamakawa
* Combat Zone Wrestling
o CZW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre
o CMLL World Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Mikey Whipwreck
o ECW World Television Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling Association: Puerto Rico
o IWA Hardcore Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation/World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)1 (Last)
o WCW United States Championship (1 time)
o WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Eddie Guerrero
o WWF/E Cruiserweight Championship (2 times)
o WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with William Regal
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 242 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
​

 

[Shadowmancer]

How is the legend that is Kenta Kobashi this low in the tournament I will never Know. He is a Legit threat to everyone he is up against Idon't give acrap if he is Hogan that he is up against Kenta is a legit threat to every single person in this tournament. Remember that and look at his matches he could quite possibly out wrestle both Kurt Angle and Tom Billington in one match.