Wrestlezone Tournament Discussion

[IrishCanadian25]

I just realized what a terrible draw Ric Flair has gotten. He's as old school as they come - a warrior of the classic "squared circle," and he'll be going against some of the more adaptable legends in the TNA Region. Nobody can tell me that a match in a six-sided ring wouldn't favor Kurt Angle over Ric Flair, and that a Monster's Ball isn't more up Steve Austin's alley than The Nature Boy's!

If Flair was traded to the WWE or WCW region I'd have him as an elite eight pick, maybe even final four. In the TNA region, I question if he'll make it to the sweet sixteen.

 

[Colamania]

Here comes the list. Argue about this, random noobs:

1. Chris Jericho
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Kurt Angle
4. Undertaker
5. Randy Orton
6. Bret “Hitman” Hart
7. AJ Styles
8. Chris Benoit
9. Edge
10. Samoa Joe
11. “British Bulldog” Davey Boy Smith
12. Christian Cage
13. The Rock
14. Owen Hart
15. “Stone Cold” Steve Austin
16. Sting
17. Eddie Guerrero
18. Rob Van Dam
19. Mr. Kennedy
20. Cactus Jack/Mankind/Dude Love/Mick Foley
21. Abyss
22. Nigel McGuiness
23. Christopher Daniels
24. Jeff Hardy
25. Frankie Kazarian (Kaz)
26. “Rowdy” Roddy Piper
27. Robert Roode
28. Finlay
29. Jushin “Thunder” Liger
30. Booker T
31. Matt Hardy
32. Rhino
33. CM Punk
34. L.A. Park (Yes, L.A. Park. And?)
35. MVP
36. Konnan
37. Senshi
38. Triple H
39. Homicide
40. Greg “The Hammer” Valentine
41. Chris Harris
42. “Black Machismo” Jay Lethal
43. Alex Shelley
44. Dean Malenko
45. James Storm
46. Kane
47. Ric Flair
48. Jay Briscoe
49. Mark Briscoe
50. Shelton Benjamin
51. “Canadian Destroyer” Petey Williams
52. Hernandez
53. Mike Awesome
54. Tomko
55. Colt Cabana
56. Jimmy Wang Yang
57. Jeff Jarrett (Hasn’t done much recently, but still a good talent)
58. The Great Muta
59. “Showtime” Eric Young
60. Kenny Dykstra
61. Delirious
62. “The Guru” Sonjay Dutt
63. Jimmy Rave
64. Scott Steiner
65. Sean Waltman
66. The Miz
67. Jack Evans
68. Cody Rhodes
69. Hardcore Holly
70. Lance Hoyt
71. Charlie Haas
72. Santino Marella
73. B.G James
74. Kip James
75. Black Reign/Dustin Rhodes
76. Tommy Dreamer
77. Sandman
78. Steve Corino
79. Terry Funk
80. Sabu
81. JBL
82. El Santo
83. “Gory” Guerrero
84. Billy Kidman
85. Masato Tanaka
86. CW Anderson
87. Kid Kash
88. Taz
89. Balls Mahoney
90. Shark Boy
91. Tiger Mask (The original, and still best)
92. Chavo Guerrero Jr.
93. Carlito
94. “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan
95. Harry Smith
96. Judas Mesias/Ricky Banderas
97. Val Venis
98. Ron Simmons
99. One Man Gang
100. Rellik

 

[Shocky]

We'll continue right along with this. Now, the number five seeds are about to be revealed. Great discussion and debate so far, and we honestly aren't even into the meat and bones of this thing yet.

#17. WWE Region #5 Christian Cage
Total Points: 828
Last Year: #48 Overall
Defeated: Jerry Lawler, Elix Skipper, Don Muraco
Defeated By: The Rock (2 out of 3 Falls)
Credentials:
* East Coast Wrestling Association
o ECWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Insane Championship Wrestling
o ICW Streetfight Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Sexton Hardcastle
* Pennsylvania Championship Wrestling
o PCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Southern States Wrestling
o SSW Tag Team Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment
o WWF European Championship (1 time)
o WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (3 times)
o WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o World Tag Team Championship (9 times) – with Edge (7), Lance Storm (1) and Chris Jericho (1)

#18. WCW Region #5 Owen Hart
Total Points: 825 (Unanimous Decision)
Last Year: Overall #78
Defeated: Lenny Lane, Yokozuna, John Cena
Defeated By: Kane (Steel Cage Match)
Credentials:
* New Japan Pro Wrestling

* IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Stampede Wrestling

* Stampede British Commonwealth Mid-Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Stampede North American Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Stampede International Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Ben Bassarab
* Stampede Wrestling Hall of Fame [42]

* United States Wrestling Association

* USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF European Championship (1 time)
* WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
* WWF Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Yokozuna (2), British Bulldog (1), and Jeff Jarrett (1)
* King of the Ring (1994)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Rookie of the Year award in 1987
* PWI Feud of the Year award in 1994 - vs. Bret Hart
* PWI Editor's Award in 1999
* PWI ranked him # 66 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the PWI Years in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 84 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Davey Boy Smith in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1987
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1988
* 5 Star Match: vs. Bret Hart (WWF SummerSlam 1994, August 29, 1994: Steel Cage match)
* Feud of the Year award in 1997 - with Bret Hart, Jim Neidhart, Davey Boy Smith, and Brian Pillman vs. Steve Austin

#19. TNA Region #5 The Rock
Total Points: 823
Last Year: Overall #16
Defeated: Joey Abs, Jamie Noble, Sgt. Slaughter, Christian Cage (2 out of 3 Falls)
Defeated by: Ric Flair (Triple Cage Match)
Credentials:
* United States Wrestling Association
o USWA Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Bart Sawyer

* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW Championship (2 times)1
o WWF/E Championship (7 times)²
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (5 times) - with Mankind (3), The Undertaker (1), and Chris Jericho (1)
o Royal Rumble (2000)[1]
o Sixth Triple Crown Champion

#20: ECW Region #5 Rey Mysterio Jr.
Total Points: 680
Last Year: Overall #50
Defeated: Vince Russo, Yoshiro Tajiri
Defeated By: Sting
Credentials:
* Asistencia Asesoría y Administración
o AAA Hall of Fame (Class of 2007)
o Mexican National Trios Championship (1 time) - with Octagón and Super Muñeco
o Mexican National Welterweight Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling All-Stars
o IWAS Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Konnan
* World Championship Wrestling[12]
o WCW Cruiserweight Championship (5 times)
o WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Billy Kidman (Last)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Billy Kidman (1), Konnan (1), and Juventud Guerrera (1)
* World Wrestling Association
o WWA Lightweight Championship (3 times)
o WWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Rey Misterio
o WWA Welterweight Championship (3 times)
* World Wrestling Council
o WWC Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Entertainment[13]
o WWE Cruiserweight Championship (3 times)
o WWE Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Edge (1), Rob Van Dam (1), Eddie Guerrero (1), and Batista (1)
o World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o Royal Rumble (2006)[14]
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 7 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1996.
o PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1999.
o PWI ranked him # 56 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI Years in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 6 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2006.
* Tijuana, Mexico
o Inducted into Tijuana Hall of Fame in 2006
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Rookie of the Year award in 1992
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 1995
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 1996
o Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 1996
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 1997
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 2002
o Match of the Year award in 2002 - with Edge vs. Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle, WWE No Mercy, October 20, 2002
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 2003
o Best Flying Wrestler award in 2004
​

 

[Uncle Sam]

Oh my God. That's all I can say. I can't believe I'm actually telling you this, but I have feelings of anger over the number five seedings. Well, it wasn't meant to be objective, so I'll calm myself down.

I do have a bit of a personal vendetta against Rey Mysterio, as I never saw the point of a champion that got beaten near death every week. Sure, he's done other stuff, but it's rarely been high profile and many people will be unaware of it. I think he's undeserving of his spot to be totally honest. The same goes for Owen Hart, who I feel had potential but can still be overrated simply because he's dead. Christian was big shock, but luckily I like him so I've adjusted to it.

One last note. Finally... The Rock has come back to the WrestleZone Tournament! You have no idea how pleased I am. About that.

 

[Shocky]

And continuing right along. I give to you, the number six seeds. I will post my top 100 for everyone as well, and discuss those picks if anyone feels like it. I think I can justify putting everyone where I did on my list.

#21. ECW Region # 6 Booker T
Total Points: 671
Last Year: Overall #13
Defeated: Norman Smiley, Ultimo Dragon, Shelton Benjamin
Defeated By: Ravishing Rick Rude (Briefcase on a Pole Match)
Credentials:
* Global Wrestling Federation
o GWF Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Stevie Ray
* Las Vegas Pro Wrestling
o LVPW UWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (10 times) - with Stevie Ray
o WCW World Television Championship (6 times)
* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW Championship (1 time)
o WCW Tag Team Championship (1 time)2 - with Test
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
o WWE United States Championship (3 times)
o WWF Hardcore Championship (2 times)
o WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Test (1), Goldust (1), and Rob Van Dam (1)
o World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o King of the Ring (2006)
o Sixteenth WWE Triple Crown Champion

#22. TNA Region #6 No Gimmicks Needed Lance Storm
Total Points: 668
Last Year: Overall #86
Defeated: Brian Clark, Batista
Defeated By: Kevin Nash
Credentials:
* Canadian Rocky Mountain Wrestling

* CRMW Commonwealth Mid-Heavyweight Championship (5 times) (First)'
* CRMW International/North American Championship (1 time)
* CRMW North American Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Chris Jericho (First)

* Catch Wrestling Association

* CWA Catch Junior Championship (2 times)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling

* ECW World Tag Team Championship (3 times - with Chris Candido 1 time and Justin Credible 2 times)

* Smoky Mountain Wrestling

* SMW Beat the Champ Television Championship (1 time)

* Wrestle Association R

* WAR International Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (2 times - with Yuji Yasuraoka
* WAR World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (1 time - with Kitahara and Nobutaka Araya)

* West Coast Wrestling Association

* WCWA Tag Team Championship (2 times - with Chris Jericho)

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW Cruiserweight Championship (1 time)
* WCW Hardcore Championship (1 time)
* WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment

* WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
* World Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Christian (1), William Regal (2), and Chief Morley (1)

#23. WCW Region #6 The Legend Killer Randy Orton
Total Points: 652
Last Year: Overall #69
Defeated: Michael Hayes, Diamond Dallas Page
Defeated By: Triple H
Credentials:
* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Hardcore Championship (2 times)
* World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWE Championship (2 times, current)
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
o World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Edge
o Seventeenth Triple Crown Champion

#24. WWE Region #6 The Samoan Submission Machine Samoa Joe
Total Points: 649
Last Year: Overall #82
Defeated: Mark Henry, John Bradshaw Layfield
Defeated by: Terry Funk
Credentials:
* Ballpark Brawl
o Natural Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Wrestling Federation
o EWF Xtreme 8 Tournament winner in 2006
* Independent Wrestling Association: Mid-South
o Revolution Strong Style Tournament winner in 2004
* Pro Wrestling ZERO1-MAX
o NWA Intercontinental Tag Team Championship (1 time; first-ever) – with Keiji Sakoda
* Pure Wrestling Association
o PWA Pure Wrestling Championship (1 time)

* Ring of Honor
o ROH World Championship (1 time)
o ROH Pure Championship (1 time)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o TNA World Tag Team Championship (1 time)
o TNA X Division Championship (3 times)
o Super X Cup winner in 2005
o "Feud of the Year" award in 2006 – vs. Kurt Angle
o "Mr. TNA" award in 2006
o "X Division Wrestler of the Year" award in 2006
o TNA Turkey Bowl Winner (2007)
* Twin Wrestling Entertainment
o TWE Heavyweight Championship (1 time, current)
* Ultimate Pro Wrestling
o UPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o UPW No Hold Barred Championship (2 times)
* United Independent Wrestling Alliance
o UIWA Tag Team Championship (1 time)
* FIGHTING SPIRIT magazine
o The Franchise award in 2006
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year award in 2006
o PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2006
* Wrestling Observer
o Best Brawler award in 2005
o Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 2005
o Best Brawler award in 2006
o 5 Star match: vs. CM Punk (ROH Joe vs Punk 2, October 16, 2004
o 5 Star Match: vs. Christopher Daniels vs. AJ Styles (TNA Unbreakable, September 11, 2005)
o 5 Star Match: vs. Kenta Kobashi (ROH Joe vs. Kobashi, October 1, 2005)
​

 

[Shadowmancer]

I left Samoa Joe off Interesting. And yet still No Japanese Wrestlers. But So Far so good in terms of Rankings. Im also not seeing some of the big names of Yesteryear ever getting into this like Lou Thesz, Bruno Sammartino or Harley Race.

 

[tarp]

I have to agree with Shadowmancer. We have seen the top 20 and no Harley Race. Seven time champion in an era where belts didn't change as freely as they do now. Also an opinion I left out earlier. I loved the last touranment except round 3. The higher seed getting the choice match. I would dump that. Alot of great things happen last touranment but the biggest misjuctice was Big Show over Steamboat. Take care all.

 

[hbk&triple h]

Shadowmancer brought up a good point. There are so many people on the list that aren't as deserving as other superstars from the past are. Harley Race should definetly be on here. But anyways there is immense talent on the top 24. A lot of TNA fans have showed up because there is a lot of superstars on there. Overall it has been really good so far and I can't wait till the voting begins.

One thing I am surprised about is how high Samoa Joe and Randy Orton managed to be. In my opinion Joe isn't that great but there is no arguing that he has talent.

 

[Uncle Sam]

This just gets more a more surprising, the further it goes on. Never in a million years did I expect Lance Storm to be ranked over the likes of Hulk Hogan, Harley Race etc. etc. He's definitely the most surprising entry so far. The second is Samoa Joe, obviously. I thought his popularity had been waning but I guess not. Orton's also a surprise, but he was bound to have a fairly high spot, the same goes with Booker.

Like I've said time and time again, this is fantastic, and I can't wait for Lance Storm to get his ankle snapped. If he gets that far.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Shadowmancer brought up a good point. There are so many people on the list that aren't as deserving as other superstars from the past are. Harley Race should definetly be on here. But anyways there is immense talent on the top 24. A lot of TNA fans have showed up because there is a lot of superstars on there. Overall it has been really good so far and I can't wait till the voting begins.

One thing I am surprised about is how high Samoa Joe and Randy Orton managed to be. In my opinion Joe isn't that great but there is no arguing that he has talent.

Seeding only means so much. Think about it - A few people regard the likes of Hogan and Race as picks in their top 12 - maybe 8-ish. On the other hand, newbie fans and fans of smaller promotions regard the Samoa Joes and AJ Styles of the world as #1's. Exposure plays a big part. Hogan will make the tournament, of course.

Also, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the seeding- how many #12 seeds upset #5 seeds in March Madness each year? I'm counting on a few MAJOR upsets from Scott "Flash" Norton.

 

[Shocky]

Also people need to take into account the limited ability of some of us and watching wrestling. Most of the guys in my top 100 are all from 1984 onward. This is twofold. A, I started watching wrestling around this era, so these are the people I have grown up with and continue to watch to this day. B. Exposure. Growing up in the midwest United States, we didn't have access to AAA, Japanese Wrestling, European Wrestling, or any of that.

The top 100 list were comprised of everyone's personal 100, those 100 were chosen based on who you thought were the greatest, your personal best. However, If we did it based on the actual top 100 of all time, my list would look completely different. The lack of Japanese or older wrestlers is due to the lack of exposure for me growing up seeing them, that's why I had a ton of people help out with this process this year to get these guys into the tournament.

Hell, I had Hulk Hogan as my overall #1, and he isn't on here yet at all. It's why I liked having multiple people turn top 100's in, so we can get a variety of wrestlers. They might not be as high as you expect, but most will be in this tournament.

 

[Shocky]

Now onto the number seven seeds for this years tournament.

#25. WWE Region #7 The Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels
Total Points: 648
Last Year: Overall #59
Defeated: Charlie Haas, Essa Rios
Defeated By: Shane Douglas
Credentials:
* All Pro Wrestling
o APW Worldwide Internet Championship (1 time)
o APW King of the Indies (2000)
* Ballpark Brawl
o Natural Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* East Coast Wrestling Association
o ECWA Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o ECWA Super 8 Tournament winner (2000 and 2004)
o ECWA Hall of Fame (Class of 2001)
* Empire Wrestling Federation
o EWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Frontier Wrestling Alliance
o FWA British Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Michinoku Pro Wrestling
o British Commonwealth Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o MPW Futaritabi Tag Team League Tournament winner in 2002
* Midwest Championship Wrestling
o MCW Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Jayson Reign
* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with American Dragon
* NWA Florida
o NWA Florida Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Midwest
o NWA Midwest Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Kevin Quinn
* New Age Wrestling Federation
o CT Cup Co-Holder (1 time) – with John Brooks
* Premier Wrestling Federation
o PWF United States Championship (1 time)
* Pro-Pain Pro Wrestling
o 3PW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Pro Wrestling ZERO1-MAX
o ZERO1-MAX United States Openweight Championship (1 time)
* Ring of Honor
o ROH World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Donovan Morgan (1) & Matt Sydal (1)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (6 times) – with Low Ki & Elix Skipper as Triple X (3), James Storm (1), and A.J. Styles (2)
o TNA X Division Championship (3 times)
o TNA Match Of The Year award in 2006 -- Ultimate X at No Surrender 2006 for the NWA World Tag Team Championship - with Latin American Exchange
o TNA Tag Team Of The Year award in 2006 - with AJ Styles
o TNA World X Cup winner in 2004 - with Jerry Lynn, Chris Sabin and Elix Skipper as Team USA
* Ultimate Pro Wrestling
o UPW Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Windy City Pro Wrestling
o WCPW League Championship (1 time)
o WCPW Lightweight Championship (1 time)
o WCPW Middleweight Championship (1 time)
o WCPW Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Kevin Quinn (1), and Mike Anthony (1)
* World Power Wrestling
o WPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Council
o WWC World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Kevin Quinn

#26. WCW Region #7 The Immortal Hulk Hogan
Total Points: 645
Last Year: Overall #2
Defeated: Rodney, Ahmed Johnson, Sabu
Defeated By: AJ Styles (Ladder Match)
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association

* AWA World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)1

* New Japan Pro Wrestling

* International Wrestling Grand Prix tournament winner in 1983 (First)[39]

* Southeastern Championship Wrestling

* NWA Southeast Heavyweight Championship (Northern Division) (1 time)
* NWA Southeast Heavyweight Championship (Southern Division) (1 time)

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW World Heavyweight Championship (6 times)
* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment

* WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2005)
* WWF/E Championship (6 times)
* WWE (World) Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Edge
* Royal Rumble (1990)
* Royal Rumble (1991)

#27. TNA Region #7 The Hot Rod Rowdy Roddy Piper
Total Points: 644
Last Year: Overall #57
Defeated: Chavo Classic, Justin Credible
Defeated By: Steve Austin
Credentials:
* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling | World Championship Wrestling
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Big John Studd
o NWA Television championship (2 times)
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)³ (First)
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* National Wrestling Alliance
o NWA Americas Heavyweight Championship (1 time)1

* NWA All-Star Wrestling
o NWA Canadian Tag Team Championship (Vancouver version) (1 time) - with Rick Martel

* NWA Hollywood Wrestling
o NWA Americas Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
o NWA Americas Tag Team Championship (7 times) - with Crusher Verdu (2), Adrian Adonis (1), Chavo Guerrero (1), Kengo Kimura (1), Ron Bass (1), and The Hangman (1)
o NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)²

* NWA San Francisco
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (San Francisco version) (1 time)
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (San Francisco version) (1 time) - with Ed Wiskoski

* Pacific Northwest Wrestling
o NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (5 times) - with Killer Tim Brooks (1), Rick Martel (3), and Mike Popovich (1)

* Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame

* Class of 2007

* World Class Championship Wrestling
o NWA American Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Bulldog Brower

* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2005)
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
o World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Ric Flair

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year award in 1982.
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year award in 1984.
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year award in 1985.
o PWI Match of the Year award - with Paul Orndorff vs. Hulk Hogan & Mr. T in 1985.
o PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year award in 1986.
o PWI ranked him # 17 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Best Interviews award in 1981 (tied with Lou Albano)
o Best Interviews award in 1982
o Best Interviews award in 1983
o Best Heel award in 1984
o Best Heel award in 1985
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)

#28. ECW Region #7 Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
Total Points: 624
Last Year: Overall #36
Defeated: Psicosis, Matt Hardy
Defeated By: The Big Show
Credentials:
* Maple Leaf Wrestling
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time)1

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling | World Championship Wrestling
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Paul Jones (2), and Jay Youngblood (1)
o NWA Television Championship (2 times)
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time)
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)²
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Shane Douglas³
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (6 times) - with Paul Jones (1) and Jay Youngblood (5)
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Dustin Rhodes (1), and Shane Douglas (1)
o WCW World Television Championship (2 times)

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Rookie of the Year award in 1977
o PWI Tag Team of the Year award - with Paul Jones in 1978
o PWI Match of the Year award - vs. Randy Savage in 1987.
o PWI Match of the Year award - vs. Ric Flair in 1989.
o PWI ranked him # 7 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1991
o PWI Editor's Award in 1995.
o PWI ranked him # 13 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 19 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Jay Youngblood in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 82 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Shane Douglas in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Tag Team of the Year award - with Jay Youngblood in 1983.
o Match of the Year - vs. Randy Savage in 1987.
o Match of the Year - vs. Ric Flair in 1989.
o 5 Star Match: vs. Ric Flair (February 20, 1989) (Chi Town Rumble)
o 5 Star Match: vs. Ric Flair (April 2, 1989) (Clash Of The Champions)
o 5 Star Match: vs. Ric Flair (May 7, 1989) (Wrestlewar)
o 5 Star Match: with Sting, Nikita Koloff, Barry Windham, & Dustin Rhodes vs. Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton & Larry Zbyszko (War Games, May 17 1992)
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996).
​

 

[Colamania]

Hulk made WCW. Lucky bastard. And the thing is, if i'd given in and put him on my list, he may have ended up in TNA or ECW. Arse. Still, the tournament looks amazing so far, some hugely interesting matches looking to happen already.

Oh, by the way, I'm in agreement with the idea of dropping the "Higher seed picks the stip" idea. I liked the Spin The Wheel round, but higher seed picks sucked, to tell you the truth. Hell, most people didn't take notice of it. Kane defeating... don't remember who, might have been Dustin Rhodes, despite having his hands cuffed behind his back?

 

[Shocky]

I'm considering greatly not including the pick your own stipulation round. I think it didn't get notice like you said PooMonster, so that round seemed like a waste of time.

Anyone, moving right along with the 8 seeds

#29. ECW Region #8 The Dynamite Kid Tom Billington
Total Points: 612
Last Year: Wild Card Entrant
Defeated: Greg the Hammer Valentine
Defeated By: Bam Bam Bigelow
Credentials:
* All Japan Pro Wrestling

* AJPW All Asia Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Johnny Smith

* Joint Promotions

* British Welterweight Championship (1 time)
* British Lightweight Championship (1 time)
* European Welterweight Championship (1 time)

* Pacific Northwest Wrestling

* NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with The Assassin

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 41 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 5 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years with Davey Boy Smith in 2003.

* Stampede Wrestling

* NWA International Tag Team Championship (Calgary version) (4 times) with - Sekigawa (1), Loch Ness Monster (1), Kasavudo (1), and Duke Myers (1)
* Stampede British Commonwealth Mid-Heavyweight Championship (5 times)
* Stampede International Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Davey Boy Smith
* Stampede North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Stampede World Mid-Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
* Stampede Wrestling Hall of Fame [12]

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Davey Boy Smith
* WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Match of the Year award in 1982 - vs. Satoru Sayama
* Most Underrated Wrestler award in 1983
* 5 Star Match award: vs. Satoru Sayama on April 23rd, 1983
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1984
* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1984 - tied with Masa Saito
* 1985 Tag Team of the Year award in 1985 - with Davey Boy Smith
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)

#30. TNA Region #8 C.M. Punk
Total Points: 611
Last Year: Wild Card Entrant
Defeated by: Kevin Nash
Credentials:
* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
o IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship (5 times)
o IWA Mid-South Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* International Wrestling Cartel
o IWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Mid-American Wrestling
o MAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Cyberspace
o NWA Cyberspace Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Julio Dinero
* NWA Revolution
o NWA Revolution Heavyweight Championship
* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Seth Skyfire
o OVW Television Championship (1 time)
o OVW Triple Crown Champion (1 time)
* Revolution Championship Wrestling
o RCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Ring of Honor
o ROH World Championship (1 time)
o ROH Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Colt Cabana
* St. Paul Championship Wrestling
o SPCW Northern States Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Steel Domain Wrestling
o SDW Northern States Television Championship (2 times)
* World Wrestling Entertainment
o ECW Championship (1 time, current)

#31. WCW Region #8 The Human Suplex Machine Taz
Total Points: 590
Last Year: Overall #27
Defeated: Bubba Dudley, Bob Orton, Rhino, Shane Douglas (Clockwork Orange House O' Fun)
Defeated By: Shawn Michaels (3 Stages of Hell)
Credentials:
* Amateur Wrestling
o Empire States Heavyweight Championship
* Century Wrestling Alliance
o CWA Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW FTW Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o ECW Television/ECW World Television Championship (2 times) (First)
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o ECW World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Kevin Sullivan (2) and Sabu (1)
* International World Class Championship Wrestling
o IWCCW Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Hardcore Championship (3 times)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Spike Dudley
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 10 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1999.
o PWI ranked him # 147 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the PWI Years in 2003.

#32. WWE Region #8 Raven
Total Points: 580
Last Year: Overall #30
Defeated: Andre the Giant, Val Venis, Jeff Hardy, Harley Race (Blindfold Match), Kane (Barbed Wire)
Defeated By: Shawn Michaels
Credentials:
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o ECW World Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with Stevie Richards (2), Tommy Dreamer (1), and Mike Awesome (1)

* Extreme Wrestling Federation
o EWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Heartland Wrestling Association
o HWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Hugh Morrus

* Mid-Eastern Wrestling Federation
o MEWF Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* National Wrestling Federation
* NWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* NWA Midwest
o NWA Central States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Pacific Northwest Wrestling
o NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Top Gun (1), The Grappler (1), and Steve Doll (1)
o NWA Pacific Northwest Television Championship (1 time)
* Peach State Wrestling
o PSW Cordele City Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Pro-Pain Pro Wrestling
o 3PW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o King of the Mountain (2005)

* United States Extreme Wrestling
o USXW Heavyweight Championship (4 times)

* United States Wrestling Association
o USWA Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Brian Christopher

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Perry Saturn (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWF/E Hardcore Championship (27 times)
​

So Just another update on how the regions are playing out to this point.

WWE Region.
1. Shawn Michaels
2. Chris Benoit
3. Sting
4. AJ Styles
5. Christian Cage
6. Samoa Joe
7. Christopher Daniels
8. Raven

WCW Region
1. Bret Hart
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. Triple H
4. Randy Savage
5. Owen Hart
6. Randy Orton
7. Hulk Hogan
8. Taz

TNA Region
1. Kurt Angle
2. Steve Austin
3. Ric Flair
4. Rob Van Dam
5. The Rock
6. Lance Storm
7. Roddy Piper
8. C.M. Punk

ECW Region
1. Chris Jericho
2. The Undertaker
3. Mick Foley
4. Edge
5. Rey Mysterio
6. Booker T
7. Ricky Steamboat
8. Tom Billington

 

[tarp]

The WCW region looks great. My early picks per region so far would be.
WWE region Shawn Michaels over Sting. I hope we get to see the HBk vs AJ. Would have to get to final four of that bracket.
WCW Bret Hart over HHH.
TNA Region Flair over Angle. Hate it can't be Austin in there but Flair will take him on in final four of this bracket.
ECW Region These two men will face each other in the quarterfinals of this bracket but Undertaker over Steamboat. A great match indeed. I hope the fans study and I hate to know that Steamboat and/or Flair may not make it to final 16. I think Austin will get the notch over Flair but I hope not. Take care all!

 

[Uncle Sam]

The number seven seeds seemed pretty sensible - Sly can finally rest easily now that Hulk Hogan is present - except Christopher Daniels is on top of it. Daniels is the most surprising entry so far, without a doubt really. I think that unless the TNA winds are blowing strong, he'll be cut out fairly easily. Oddly enough, the WWE region seems to be filling up with current TNA wrestlers. Hopefully they don't all get eaten alive.

It's nice to see Tom Billington in it so early, but I question how well he'll survive against Foley and, er, I guess that's it in ECW. I think it's only a matter of time before he gets eliminated by someone like Edge or Undertaker though, so I won't get my hopes... less down.

 

[Shocky]

Along came the #9 Seeds.

#33. WWE Region #9 The Beast From the East, Bam Bam Bigelow
Total Points: 567
Last Year: Overall #106
Defeated: Steve Williams, Tom Billington, Ted DiBiase
Defeated By: The Undertaker
Credentials:
* Continental Wrestling Association
o AWA Southern Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o ECW World Television Championship (1 time)
* NWA Northeast
o NWA Northeast Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Big Van Vader
* Universal Superstars of America
o USA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* USA Xtreme Wrestling | USA Pro Wrestling
o UXW/USA Pro Heavyweight Championship (2 time)
* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW Hardcore Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) - as a member of the Jersey Triad (2)
* World Class Championship Wrestling
o WCCW Television Championship (1 time)
* Wrestle Association R
o WAR World Six-Man Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Hiromichi Fuyuki and Youji Anjoh
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him # 68 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 36 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Big Van Vader in 2003.
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Rookie of the Year award in 1986

#34. WCW Region #9 The Big Red Machine Kane
Total Points: 552
Last Year: Overall #110
Defeated: Tracy Smothers, Ultimate Warrior, Dustin Rhodes, Owen Hart (Steel Cage)
Defeated By: Raven (Barbed Wire Match)
Credentials:
* Smoky Mountain Wrestling

* SMW Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Al Snow

* United States Wrestling Association

* USWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation |World Wrestling Entertainment

* WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with The Undertaker
* WWF Championship (1 time)[51]
* WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)[52]
* WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (2 times)[53][54]
* WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (9 times) - with Mankind (2), X-Pac (2), The Undertaker (2), The Hurricane (1), Rob Van Dam (1), and Big Show (1)[55]
* 8th Triple Crown Champion

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 13 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2004.

#35. TNA Region #9 The Iceman Dean Malenko
Total Points: 550
Last Year: Overall #39
Defeated: Steven Richards, Ron Killings
Defeated By: Kurt Angle
Credentials:
* Extreme Championship Wrestling

* ECW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Chris Benoit
* ECW World Television Championship (2 times)

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW Cruiserweight Championship (4 times)
* WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Chris Benoit

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 1 in the PWI 500 in 1997.
* PWI ranked him # 161 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Feud of the Year in 1995 vs. Eddie Guerrero
* Best Technical Wrestler in 1996
* Best Technical Wrestler in 1997

* Other Titles

* ICWA Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* SPW Southern Championship (1 time)

#36. ECW Region #9 The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase
Total Points: 548
Last Year: Overall #173
Defeated: The Honky Tonk Man, Billy Gunn
Defeated By: Bam Bam Bigelow
Credentials:
* All Japan Pro Wrestling

* AJPW Unified World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Stan Hansen
* NWA United National Championship (1 time)
* PWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Stan Hansen

* Central States Wrestling

* NWA Central States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

* Georgia Championship Wrestling

* NWA National Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* NWA National Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Stan Frazier (1) and Steve Olsonski (1)
* NWA Tri-State | Mid-South Wrestling Association

* Mid-South North American Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
* Mid-South Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Matt Borne (1), Jerry Stubbs (1), Hercules Hernandez (1), and Steve Williams (1)
* NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (Tri-State version) (1 time)
* NWA United States Tag Team Championship Tri-State version (1 time) - with Dick Murdoch[2]

* NWA Western States Sports

* NWA Western States Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Tito Santana

* Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame
o (Class of 2007)

* St. Louis Wrestling Club

* NWA Missouri Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Texas All-Star Wrestling

* TASW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time) (First)
* WWF World Tag Team Championship (3 times) - with Irwin R. Schyster
* Million Dollar Championship (2 times)
* King of the Ring (1988)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 17 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1991.
* PWI ranked him # 32 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 20 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Steve Williams in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 24 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Stan Hansen in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 61 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Irwin R. Schyster in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1981
* Feud of the Year award in 1982 - vs. Junkyard Dog
* Feud of the Year award in 1984 - vs. Jim Duggan
* Best Heel award in 1987
* Best Heel award in 1988
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)
​

 

[k/king8]

I'm surprised to see Somoa Joe up so high in the rankings, and same with Chris Daniels, but i'm glad to see Steamboat and Billington made it pretty early. I was also wondering how you did the point system and what it means to be unanimous?

 

[Shocky]

Well the point system is kinda simple to explain. Not getting too detailed, I sent out messages to a good group of posters. From the ones that replied, I just put their list down into a spreadsheet and went from there. So if someone were to vote Hulk Hogan number one, Hogan would receive 100 points. Bret Hart #2, he gets 99 points, and down from there. So Hornswoggle at 100 would only receive one point.

Since only 12 people turned top 100's in, the maximum amount of points allowed is 1200. A Unanimous decision is someone that appeared on everyone's ballots. Most of the guys so far that have been surprising people didn't get a high individual ballot, but it's strength in numbers. If you show up on 10 ballots, chances are, you're getting ranked highly. I voted for Andre the Giant particularly high, but with 12 rankings, my Andre vote will get weighed out if their isn't any additional support.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Well you can see how High I put Andre. But being a fairly recent fan of wrestling it doesn't mean that my list is my favourites it is a combination of three things. Ring Skills, Success in the Ring, And how much I like them. Some actually buffed others up so it evens out for the ranking in terms of why they were put where they were.

 

[Shocky]

Alright, now time to introduce the #10 seeds. This is where the numbers game plays a big advantage. The people from this point to around the 64th overall seed didn't score particularly high, but they made it on most peoples ballots.

Plus, we are now getting into the area where we have ties in the points, so I will break them up with my own tie breaker system.

#37. ECW Region #10 Montel Vontavious Porter
Total Points: 545 (Unanimous Decision)
Last Year: N/A
Credentials:
* Coastal Championship Wrestling
o CCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Future of Wrestling
o FOW Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Punisher
* World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Matt Hardy
o WWE United States Championship (1 time, current)
* Xtreme Wrestling Alliance
o XWA Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

#38. TNA Region #10 Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig
Total Points: 506
Last Year: Overall #37
Defeated: Ole Anderson, Crash Holly
Defeated By: Big Van Vader
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association
o AWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Scott Hall
* Future of Wrestling
o FOW Heavyweight Championship (1 time) - last champion
* i-Generation Superstars of Wrestling
o i-Generation Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Main Event Championship Wrestling
o MECW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Pacific Northwest Wrestling
o NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Larry Hennig (1) and Buddy Rose (1)
* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Barry Windham
* World Wrestling Council
o WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment
o WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2007)
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year award in 1987
o PWI ranked him # 13 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1991
o PWI ranked him # 55 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 98 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Scott Hall in 2003.
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Most Improved Wrestler award in 1983

#39. WCW Region #10 Shelton Benjamin
Total Points: 506
Last Year: Overall #52
Defeated: Umaga, Gangsta New Jack
Defeated By: Booker T
Credentials:
* Black Athlete Sports Network
o African-American Wrestler of the Year award in 2005

* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Brock Lesnar (3) and Redd Dogg (1)

* World Wrestling Entertainment
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (3 times)
o WWE Tag Team Champion (2 times) - with Charlie Haas

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Tag Team of the Year award - Charlie Haas in 2003
o PWI ranked him # 9 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2005.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Most Underrated Wrestler award in 2005
o Most Underrated Wrestler award in 2006

#40. WWE Region #10 The Loose Cannon Brian Pillman
Total Points: 496
Last Year: Overall #107
Defeated: Jushin Thunder Liger
Defeated By: Kevin Nash
Credentials:
* Stampede Wrestling

* Stampede International Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Bruce Hart
* Stampede Wrestling Hall of Fame

* World Championship Wrestling

* NWA United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Tom Zenk
* NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with "Stunning" Steve Austin
* WCW Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times) (First)
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with "Stunning" Steve Austin
​

 

[hbk&triple h]

More and more great talent seem to be appearing on the list and I am happy to see a lot of the wrestlers on here. MVP and Shelton are nice surprises to be on the list. Brian Pillman as well. Bam Bam and DiBiase are definitely deserving of being on there. Surprised to see Kane so far on the list considering what he has been doing for the past two years. I am definitely really happy to see Malenko and Hennig so far up. Well, overall they have been great. Although, Raven making it above Hennig, DiBiase, or Malenko is pretty surprising. Even though he is one of the best at in ring psychology they should be higher.

 

[Shocky]

I'll continue right along with the #11 seeds.

#41. WWE Region #11 Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Total Points: 496
Last Year: Wild Card
Defeated: Low Ki/Senshi
Defeated By: Big Van Vader
Credentials:
* Americas Wrestling Federation

* AWF Puerto Rican Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Georgia Championship Wrestling

* NWA National Television Championship (1 time)
* NWA World Television Championship (Georgia version) (1 time)

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling

* NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Jay Youngblood

* Mid-South Wrestling Association

* Mid-South Louisiana Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Mid-South North American Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Mid-South Television Championship (1 time)

* Smoky Mountain Wrestling

* SMW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Stampede Wrestling

* Stampede North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Class Championship Wrestling

* WCCW Six Man Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez
* WCCW Television Championship (1 time)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year award in 1996
* PWI ranked him # 100 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.

#42. WCW Region #11 The Monster Abyss
Total Points: 480
Last Year: Overall #114
Defeated: David Flair
Defeated by: Sting
Credentials:
* 1 Pro Wrestling
o 1PW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* Border City Wrestling
o BCW Can-Am Heavyweight Championship (1 time, current)
* Buckeye Pro Wrestling
o BPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* International Wrestling Association
o IWA Hardcore Championship (3 times)
o IWA Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o IWA Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Miguel Pérez, Jr. (2) and Shane the Glamour Boy (1)
* Mountain Wrestling Association
o MWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Cyberspace
o NWA Cyberspace Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Midwest
o NWA Iowa Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA Missouri Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* NWA Wildside
o NWA Wildside Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Northern Wrestling Federation
o NWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Ring of Honor
o Trios Tournament winner in 2006 – with Alex Shelley and Jimmy Rave
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with A.J. Styles
o Fight for the Right (2006)

#43: TNA Region #11 Big Van Vader
Total Points: 478
Last Year: Overall #28
Defeated: Jaqcue Rougeau, Jake Roberts, Curt Hennig
Defeated By: Triple H (Ultimate Submission Match)
Credentials:
* All Japan Pro Wrestling
o AJPW Triple Crown Championship (2 times)
o AJPW Unified World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Steve Williams
o Champion's Carnival winner in 1999

* Catch Wrestling Association
o CWA Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship (1 time) (First)
o CWA World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)

* Impact Zone Wrestling
o IZW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o IWGP World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Bam Bam Bigelow

* Pro Wrestling NOAH
o GHC Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Scorpio

* Universal Wrestling Association
o UWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Union of Wrestling Forces International
o UWFI Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Wrestler of the Year award in 1993
o PWI ranked him # 27 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
o PWI ranked him # 36 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Bam Bam Bigelow in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Best Heel award in 1993
o Wrestler of the Year award in 1993
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)
o Most Improved Wrestler award in 1999

#44. ECW Region #11 Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner
Total Points: 477
Last Year: Overall #44
Defeated: Viscera, Petey Williams
Defeated By: Eddie Guerrero
Credentials:
* Continental Wrestling Association
o CWA Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Billy Travis (2), and Jed Grundy (1)

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling1
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) - with Rick Steiner

* New Japan Pro Wrestling
o IWGP World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rick Steiner

* Pro Wrestling America
o PWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Rick Steiner

* Stars and Stripes Championship Wrestling
o SSCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* United Wrestling Federation
o UWF Rock 'n' Roll Express Championship (1 time, current) - with Rick Steiner

* World Championship Wrestling
o NWA Pat O'Connor Memorial Tag Team Tournament winner in 1990 – with Rick Steiner2
o NWA United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Rick Steiner3
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time) - with Rick Steiner
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Tag Team Championship (6 times) – with Rick Steiner
o WCW World Television Championship (2 times)

* World Wrestling All-Stars
o WWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Association
o WWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Jerry Graham, Jr

* World Wrestling Federation
o WWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rick Steiner

* Worldwide Wrestling Alliance
o WWWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Tag Team of the Year award in 1990 - with Rick Steiner
o Worked Match of the Year award in 1992 - Steiner Brothers vs Hiroshi Hase and Kensuke Sasaki
o Best Wrestling Maneuver award in 1989 - Frankensteiner
o Best Wrestling Maneuver award in 1990 - Frankensteiner
o Five Star Match - Ric Flair, Larry Zbyszko, Barry Windham, & Sid Vicious vs. Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick Steiner, & Scott Steiner (WarGames Match)- February 24, 1991
​

 

[hbk&triple h]

Wow, more great picks. A lot of TNA wrestlers have made it pretty highyup this year. Jake the Snake and Vader are definitely ver good. Scott Steiner I have a hard time understanding because I don't think he has been good since the Steiner Brother days but thats fine considering he was great. It is definitely a surprise to not see John Cena or Batista on there but this forum is kind of against them. Weird to see Abyss so high as well. Overall, just more great choices.

The regions look great and I see many potential match up that I would love to see. A lot of the TNA wrestler are ending up in the WWE region. Thats interesting. But Shawn/Sting or Shawn/Samoa Joe would be awesome to see.

 

[Shocky]

Onto the Number 12 seeds. I've been slow on the updates, but typically thist ime of year it gets pretty busy .Hopefully after the holidays I'll be able to crank these things out with more quickness.

#45. ECW Region #12 The King of the Mountain Jeff Jarrett
Total Points: 459
Last Year: Overall #4
Defeated: Carl Oulette, Juventud Guerrera, Arn Anderson
Defeated By: The Big Show (Biker Chain on a Pole)
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association
o AWA Rookie of the Year award in 1986

* Continental Wrestling Association
o AWA Southern Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with Billy Travis (3) and Pat Tanaka (1)
o CWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o CWA International Tag Team Championship (2 time) – with Pat Tanaka (1) and Paul Diamond (1)

* NWA Cyberspace
o NWA Cyberspace Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (6 times)
o King of the Mountain (2004 and 2006)

* United States Wrestling Association
o USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o USWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o USWA Southern Heavyweight Championship (9 times)
o USWA Tag Team Championship (15 times) – with Matt Borne (2), Jeff Gaylord (2), Cody Michaels (1), Jerry Lawler (4), Robert Fuller (4), and Brian Christopher (2)

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (4 times)

* World Class Wrestling Association
o WCWA Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCWA World Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Kerry Von Erich (1), Mil Máscaras (1), and Matt Borne (1)

* World Series Wrestling
o WSW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling All-Stars
o WWA World Heavyweight Championship (2 times) – Second reign unifying title with NWA World Heavyweight Championship

* World Wrestling Federation
o NWA North American Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WWF European Championship (1 time)
o WWF Intercontinental Championship (6 times)
o WWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Owen Hart

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter
o Feud of the Year award in 1992 – with Jerry Lawler vs. The Moondogs
o Most Overrated Wrestler award in 2005

#46. TNA Region #12 Scott Hall
Total Points: 456
Last Year: Overall #35
Defeated: Scotty 2 Hotty
Defeated By: Jeff Hardy
Credentials:
* American Wrestling Association

* AWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Curt Hennig

* United States Wrestling Association

* USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
* WCW World Tag Team Championship (7 times) - with Kevin Nash (6) and The Giant (1)
* WCW World Television Championship (1 time)
* WCW World War 3 (1997)

* World Wrestling Council

* WWC Caribbean Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Wrestling Federation

* WWF Intercontinental Championship (4 times)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year award in 1992
* PWI Match of the Year award in 1994 - vs. Shawn Michaels in a ladder match at WrestleMania X.
* PWI Tag Team of the Year award in 1997 - with Kevin Nash
* PWI ranked him # 72 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 40 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Kevin Nash in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 98 of the 100 best tag teams of the PWI Years with Curt Hennig in 2003.

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Match of the Year award in 1994 - vs. Shawn Michaels
* 5-Star Match award - vs. Shawn Michaels (Ladder match, WrestleMania X, March 20 1994)

#47. WCW Region #12 Jushin Thunder Liger
Total Points: 450
Last Year: Overall #137
Defeated By: Brian Pillman
Credentials:
* Dragon Gate

* Dragon Gate Open the Dream Gate Championship (1 time)

* Michinoku Pro

* British Commonwealth Junior Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

* New Japan Pro Wrestling

* IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship (11 times)
* IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with The Great Sasuke (1), El Samurai (1), Minoru Tanaka, (1), and Koji Kanemoto (1)
* WWF Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)1
* J-Crown winner (1 time)
* Young Lions Cup winner in 1986
* Top of the Super Juniors winner in 1992
* Best of the Super Juniors winner in 1994
* Best of the Super Juniors winner in 2001
* Super J Cup winner in 1995
* G1 Junior Tag League winner in 2001 – with El Samurai
* Naeba Cup Tag Tournament winner in 2001 – with Yuji Nagata

* North Eastern Wrestling

* Super J Cup winner in 2000

* Osaka Pro Wrestling

* Osaka Pro Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Takehiro Murahama

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated

* PWI ranked him # 12 of the 500 best singles wrestlers during the "PWI Years" in 2003.
* PWI ranked him # 47 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with El Samurai in 2003.

* Pro Wrestling NOAH

* GHC Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* World Championship Wrestling

* WCW Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Wrestle Association R

* WAR International Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with El Samurai

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter

* Rookie of the Year award in 1984; tied with Tom Zenk
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1989
* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1989
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1990
* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1990
* Match of the Year award in 1990 – vs. Naoki Sano
* Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 1990
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1991
* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1991
* Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 1991
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1992
* Best Technical Wrestler award in 1992
* Most Outstanding Wrestler award in 1992
* Best Flying Wrestler award in 1993
* Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1999)

#48. WWE Region #12 The War Machine Rhino
Total Points: 444
Last Year: Overall #38
Defeated: Rick Martel, Jerry Lynn
Defeated By: Taz
Credentials:

* Border City Wrestling
o BCW Can-Am Television Championship (1 time)
* Catch Wrestling Association
o CWA World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Joe Legend (1) and Jean-Pierre Lafitte (1)
* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time; Final champion under the original ECW)
o ECW World Television Championship (2 times; Final champion)
* Jersey All Pro Wrestling
o JAPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Series Wrestling
o WSW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Wrestling Federation
o WCW United States Championship (1 time)
o WWF Hardcore Championship (3 times)
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