Wrestlemania XXX: Undertaker VS Brock Lesnar

[The Warlord]

No matter the hype, the build. No matter how much they try to make you believe that Brock is going to win...anyone with half a brain or 6 months of wrestling knowledge knows what the outcome will be.

All I ask for is a good, physical match that tells a great story with a few cool spots.

In fact, my own personal wishlist for Mania has this topping the list: Brock redeeming himself and hitting the shooting star press after setting it up with the f-5. The kickout on that would blow the roof off the Superdome. At least for a moment maybe, just maybe have the fans question the streak and if it will remain in tact.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I was in the same boat of people who believed the ending to be too predictable, but the more I think about it, the more I see it possible that the streak ends. They are bringing into light that Taker is aging and isn't in his prime. I know this was somewhat mentioned during HHH vs Taker 3, but now they are going back several years and showing the gradual decline. So we do have storyline justification. Sure Lesnar may have lost some matches, but they are highlighting the fact that he has beaten Triple H, Punk and even destroyed Shawn Michaels, which were all Taker's last 5 Mania opponents. So we do have storyline justification.

Also, consider that this is Wrestlemania 30 and they are going to want to have somethig huge take place. So far the card is pretty lack luster and predictable. It's a decent card for a PPV but not for the single biggest wrestling event in the history of professional wrestling. This could be that crazy historic moment that they are looking for.

I hope that Taker keeps the strak, becuase he is very important to Wrestlemania and there are still opponents that I'd like to see him face. I want to see him at WM40.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Shit idea. Zero intrigue. Lesnar could shoot him with a cannon and then run over him with a car, you wont get me to lean in on a long two count. Streak is in zero jeoperdy. Maybe they do my false finish idea this year.

 

[The Eighties]

This is just plodding along, you really could have booked it two weeks before Mania with a the chokeslam/contract segment and then went into it with one promo and a streak vignette. There is no story here as Heyman can't talk about the two things that would add some weight to it, and Taker really isn't saying much when he talks. I guess Brock will beat him up in New York on Monday to try and make it feel like he's in some jeopardy at least.

 

[L@RISANO]

Sometimes I do wonder if the Streak will end vs Brock.

Everything points to a Taker win.

However, imagine if Brock were to break the Streak and become a full-timer again. After all, he is still under-40, and a Monster Heel run at the top being a regular performer might be intriguing.

That said; I don't want the Streak to end at all.

 

[HBsam31]

I am sure it will be a great match, but I agree with The Eighties in that Cena vs the streak is the only Undertaker streak match that is left that I am really interested in seeing. I think Brock will do a damn good job of beating the Undertaker so badly that we may get that moment where we think the streak might actually be broken, and that is what I will look forward to the most in this match. Since we know the streak isn't ending I look forward a classic match, and those little moments in the match where you think for a second is it going to happen.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

Seeing Brock in his end the streak shirt is all I needed to see to now hope Brock ends the streak. Of course he won't but damn that was a great shirt.

I find it weird that Taker has been getting the upper hand on Brock all the time. We still have one more Raw left and I would expect Brock to get some level of revenge heading into Mania, but it has been an odd build considering they have been trying to build Taker as an underdog.

 

[The Eighties]

I'll be honest even if I get crap for it, I just don't get the way they are booking this thing at all. Brock last night acted more afraid than Punk did during the whole angle last year, so far Brock and Heyman have been outsmarted all the way and Brock has lost out in both physical altercations.

I thought Brock came off like a complete chump last night, scared of the casket and gingerly kicking at it like a 6 year old afraid of the monster under the bed. I mean all he had to do was slide out and push the casket over, and when Taker did finally show up he just stood their like a chickenshit instead of racing across the ring and booting Taker in the face.

They could have done something like have Brock lock Taker in the casket and then destroy it with him in it (obviously he'd have slipped back from where he came while it was being chained) if they didn't want Brock to actually do anything physical to Taker until Mania in case he damages him.

Brock Lesnar is the most fearsome and ferocious guy in WWE history, I'll never understand booking him as afraid of anything, he should always be booked as a merciless, monstrous destroyer.

 

[JJV]

The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar is one match I'm really looking forward to. But they really need to do something big on the go-home show, they should give their segment some time, and they should do something big like what Punk did to Taker last year. I really think it's time they start teasing Taker's time is up, so that people get the feeling that the streak could end. I'm guessing the streak's gonna go 24-0, and if that's the case next year he should face Sting, if that's part of the plan, or they could have him compete with a younger talent, like Roman Reigns or Bray Wyatt, and then finally at Wrestlemania XXXII, Undertaker can have his last match against John Cena! I don't care if this match is for the championship or not, but this has to be Taker's last match and it needs a solid build for months heading to Wrestlemania. Taker's last match should feel special and not thrown together.
Whilst I'd love to see Wyatt face Taker at 'Mania, I guess Wyatt should face him at some other PPV, like Survivor Series, so that Wyatt can go over. He shouldn't go over Taker at WM, but any other PPV is fine.

It's a shame how Brock and Taker have been booked in this feud. These guys have history. They could have brought up the fact that Taker has never beaten Brock, and how Brock has beat the hell out of him in every match they competed in. They could have also brought up Heyman's feud with Taker, how his "other" client couldn't end the streak last year. And of course, the UFC stare off. That is when people actually wanted to see Brock-Taker at 'Mania. So much could have been done, but they literally didn't do anything to one of the biggest matches of the year! Ah well, I just hope the match is awesome.

 

[CM Steel]

With Wrestlemania 30 less than a week away, it's "the beast" Brock Lesner next up at the plate to try to end the Undertakers streak at Wrestlemania. It's a good chance that Brock can do it, since he's always managed to beat the dead man one way or another.

Going back to Ruthless Aggression Era beginning in 2002. the year where Brock Lesner and the Undertaker first started their feud with one another. But it was Brock Lesner who stood out in the feud and won it ending it in October in a hell in a cell match. The Undertaker "made him famous" putting Lesner over. But their feud resumed a year later on the Smackdown brand competing for the WWE championship.

The only time in where the Undertaker beat Brock Lesner in a match clean was on an episode of Smackdown in a triple threat match involving the Big Show to be the number one contender for Kurt Angle's WWE title.

A year later at a WWE pay per-view in October in '03 Brock Lesner defeated the Undertaker once again but in a biker's rules match with a biker chain on a stick, with WWE chairman Vince McMahon interfering in the match. In 2004 upon the Undertaker returning back to the WWE with the original Undertaker character. There were plans to feed Brock Lesner to the Undertaker for some reason. But by that time...Brock Lesner quit the WWE to pursue a career in the NFL.

So with the streak at Wrestlemania on the line. Can the Undertaker do what he never did before by defeating Brock Lesner in a one-on-one match or will Brock Lesner be the one to end the Undertaker's winning streak at Wrestlemania? Because the two rival each other in more ways than one.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar is 2 years too late. However, even if you accept the Undertaker's weak physical structure and even weaker in-ring endurance and stamina as compared to Brock who can still be said to be in his "prime", the WWE should've done much better with the feud. Instead, what we've gotten is a watered down Brock Lesnar fearing the lame deadman schtick, which once again has been done too many times. When the caskets and druids appeared for Kamala, he was supposed to be creeped out. So was Yokuzuna in 1994. It was organic and timely in 1992. The line between kayfabe and reality was wider and suspension of disbelief a lot more prevalent. How many believe in this age of google and twitter that there's this dude named The Undertaker who sleeps in a graveyard, rises back every time, and causes fear in his opponent's hearts by his mere presence? Well, not when they look at Uncle Fester anyway.

But if you notice the timeline, his feuds with DX/Shawn in 1997 were rendered lame because even with Caskets appearing, Shawn and HHH would laugh their ass off which basically is an offence to storyline/kayfabe. But guess what? It worked. People still cheered for The Undertaker to come out and beat the living hell out of Shawn Michaels. But then, The Undertaker was a strong and imposing presence in 1997 and 1998. So was it with his feud with Austin. So much realism and so little scope for non-sensical druids/caskets crap. I bet Austin would've stood up on the casket besides the ring, stomped it, and said "If you think this casket contains a pile of poop give me a HELL YEAH" and they'd have Hell Yeah'd.

Did they even recall and mention their past feuds? I don't think so. Have they posed Brock Lesnar as even a credible threat, leave aside an inevitable person to end the streak? I don't think so. The only thing they've done so far is repeat. It's the Undertaker who should be wearing the Eat Sleep Conquer Repeat T-shirt because at the end of the day, Mark Callaway hasn't done a single novel thing in years and yet people are so dumb that they shower arenas with awe and cheer despite his apparently physical limitations. Thus, he eats , sleeps, when Wrestlemania comes around, Conquers another big paycheck, and then repeats.

I thoroughly remember all their history you've mentioned, but the sad fact is, it's the other way around now. Can Brock beat Taker and end the streak? What's the last time he F-5'ed him or seemed to scare the shit of people because their beloved Undertaker and his streak are in danger?

 

[toon126]

It's like the WWE deliberately avoids talkng about the past these days. For instance never mentioning HHH v Taker at WM17, and nowadays completely neglecting to mention that Lesnar was ever even in WWE a decade ago.

To me that shows that they know they've stalled creatively and become stale, by being too ashamed to admit they've still got the same feuds that happen over 10 years ago... Even though talking about what Brock did to Taker at HIAC would advance the story.

 

[ckoneagain]

Can Taker even get an F-5 without breaking a hip nowadays? The thing is, Brock is an actual tough guy, he's known for working stiff with people and it looks effective to us all because of that, if he works that way with taker there's a real threat that the streak will end because Mark Calloway gets injured and can't go on, not that the Undertaker Character loses.

 

[Rasslin_fan]

The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar is 2 years too late. However, even if you accept the Undertaker's weak physical structure and even weaker in-ring endurance and stamina as compared to Brock who can still be said to be in his "prime", the WWE should've done much better with the feud. Instead, what we've gotten is a watered down Brock Lesnar fearing the lame deadman schtick, which once again has been done too many times. When the caskets and druids appeared for Kamala, he was supposed to be creeped out. So was Yokuzuna in 1994. It was organic and timely in 1992. The line between kayfabe and reality was wider and suspension of disbelief a lot more prevalent. How many believe in this age of google and twitter that there's this dude named The Undertaker who sleeps in a graveyard, rises back every time, and causes fear in his opponent's hearts by his mere presence? Well, not when they look at Uncle Fester anyway.

But if you notice the timeline, his feuds with DX/Shawn in 1997 were rendered lame because even with Caskets appearing, Shawn and HHH would laugh their ass off which basically is an offence to storyline/kayfabe. But guess what? It worked. People still cheered for The Undertaker to come out and beat the living hell out of Shawn Michaels. But then, The Undertaker was a strong and imposing presence in 1997 and 1998. So was it with his feud with Austin. So much realism and so little scope for non-sensical druids/caskets crap. I bet Austin would've stood up on the casket besides the ring, stomped it, and said "If you think this casket contains a pile of poop give me a HELL YEAH" and they'd have Hell Yeah'd.

Did they even recall and mention their past feuds? I don't think so. Have they posed Brock Lesnar as even a credible threat, leave aside an inevitable person to end the streak? I don't think so. The only thing they've done so far is repeat. It's the Undertaker who should be wearing the Eat Sleep Conquer Repeat T-shirt because at the end of the day, Mark Callaway hasn't done a single novel thing in years and yet people are so dumb that they shower arenas with awe and cheer despite his apparently physical limitations. Thus, he eats , sleeps, when Wrestlemania comes around, Conquers another big paycheck, and then repeats.

I thoroughly remember all their history you've mentioned, but the sad fact is, it's the other way around now. Can Brock beat Taker and end the streak? What's the last time he F-5'ed him or seemed to scare the shit of people because their beloved Undertaker and his streak are in danger?

You seem very jealous and bitter of The Undertaker and his Streak. If you don't like it, don't watch. It's that simple kid.

Anyway, The Undertaker will win at WMXXX - one way or another....

 

[avi01]

Brock vs. Taker is a big match on paper for me. The blockbuster match of Wrestlemania XXX. When Taker returned to challenge Lesnar, they definitely had me. But following that, this has been a terribly disappointing build up. Not a mention of their past history, the fact that Taker never defeated Lesnar, the personal animosity between them and even worst, they did not even build Lesnar as credible threat to the streak. Very very lazy booking from WWE, they rely solely on the names of the 2 guys to sell the match. I like the Undertaker, I like the streak , I like Lesnar and the prospect of Lesnar vs. Taker but this still managed to be disappointing. This could have been so much more. Hopefully, the match delivers.

 

[shafe_41]

Ummmm.... how is this a thread?

Taker wins. Streak continues. Lesnar winning isn't even believable.
This will be Taker's worst match in the last 8 years. The last bad one being Mark Henry at WM 22. Plus losing to a guy that's part time and here for a paycheck isn't an option. The Streak is bigger than Mania at this point and is currently the biggest rub that the WWE can use to put a guy over that Taker WANTS to put over. Lesnar is a pin me, pay me guy. It's going to be a quick hard hitting match. I wouldn't expect a 20 minute epic here. 12-15 minutes tops. Couple good spots. Some tables break. I wouldn't even rule out than Lesnar being an MMA guy, Brock taps to Hell's Gate. It's Mania and Vince's guy will always win.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Brock Lesnar finds himself in the same boat that Shawn Michaels was in when he first stepped to the plate against The Streak. Brock Lesnar may have demolished Undertaker in Hell in a Cell years ago, he may have made him his bitch on the blue brand. But this isn't then, and this isn't just some random match. This is WrestleMania. The Beast in Brock Lesnar is going to put up a fight, but it's not going to be enough to stop The Streak.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

You seem very jealous and bitter of The Undertaker and his Streak. If you don't like it, don't watch. It's that simple kid.

Bitter is the right word. Yeah I'm bitter because as a long-time Undertaker fan I expect some effort on the part of both him and the WWE but instead it's become a yearly repetition. Why should I be silent? The forum, the threads are meant for expressing bitterness ,approbation, nostalgia, opinions, convictions, frustrations and more. WWE might throw away whatever they want and most of the real world people won't give a shit and watch quietly. But this is not 1995. We do have such a thing as the Internet and the IWC and I'm taking advantage of it by expressing my thoughts, but here you are trying to show contempt to somebody who's exercising their right to express their thoughts! Very well done. Explain to me why I'd be "jealous" of a pro-wrestler's undefeated streak since I'm not a wrestler and certainly not Shawn Michaels, dumbass.

Anyway, The Undertaker will win at WMXXX - one way or another....

What you lack in your ability to be verbose and precise, you make up for it by emitting out a very predictable result for a Wrestlemania match. Well done!

 

[CrucifiedRaven]

I'd be more excited to see Lesnar vs Undertaker at SummerSlam or something where the outcome isn't obvious. Undertaker + Wrestlemania = predictable outcome. Only a few people would be legit threats to the streak and Lesnar isn't one of them. I'm sure they'll put on a good match, but it isn't one of the more exciting ones on the card.

 

[Pedigree1]

Undertaker losing is not even a option. We would all hit Mega-Millions before he would lose to Lesnar at WM. Undertaker is damn there 50 years old,but very strong for his age. The man can still go at the grandest stage of em all.. I personally feel,he has earned the right to wrestle once a year.. True enough,lesnar is here only for a paycheck and is a part-timer.

This match goes 15 minutes tops. Some good spots here and there,but taker wins Via Tombstone Piledriver!

 

[Judah's Lion]

this shouldn't even be a discussion. no offense to anyone that is currently discussing this, including myself.

Taker/Lesnar is literally 10 years too late. this is the match that should have happened at Mania 20. the Streak was never gonna end to a rematch with Kane. but Lesnar was a beast 10 years ago. a legit threat to the Streak. now? when he shows up a handful of times a year to get his ass kicked and collect a huge paycheck? not so much.

Mania 30 should be the one dream match that still exists for Taker, which is of course the obvious Taker/Sting. Sting wouldn't win either, but that's okay. one match. Taker wins, then both retire on the biggest stage in the history of professional wrestling.

 

[Kidpolean]

People people people!!! They didnt mention their feud because they DONT mention anything having to do with the American bad ass character. They have built up the Undertaker to have sort of supernatural powers that make it impossible to beat him at WM, so it would be dumb of them to show clips of him in regular clothes riding a motorcycle. Remember his feud with HHH, they acted as if WM17 never happended for the same exact reason. I dont think I need to expalin why they wouldnt mention the ufc confrontation because that should be common sense.

Just shut the hell up and stop being such nerds all the damn time. Ive never seen so many grown men cry and complain about everything. This is life, deal with it, sometimes shit happens that you dont like. Wrestling is not EVERYTHING. Instead of complaining every two seconds, use your minds to better yourselves or something. I know there is quite a few virgins on here so maybe some of you can go out and try to be social and get some. If wwe is causing you so much pain and heartbreak than dont watch the shit.

 

[Danny84]

For me this is a pain cause we all know in reality no way should taker go over Brock but it's gonna happen no matter what peoe think takers streak will never end weather it's Brock,sting or cena it's just not gonna happen but this arch could do some serious damage to taker I personly don't think his body will b able to Cope with brocks fighting style lets just say taker will b gone till mania 31 for defo he will win but will take a battering in the match

 

[ckoneagain]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that although Taker winning is obvious, i think he will win easily, i think they'll have Brock Job to Taker in a big way, Taker destroys him. This makes Taker a real threat again as the last few years he's won the matches by the skin of his teeth really. I think if he's going up against a Cena or someone then he's got to appear dangerous rather than just resilient. Imagine Brock barely gets offence and Taker beats him to a bloody mess. No-one's as eager to jump in the ring with him next year then right? Because as things are now, anyone would take a chance against the Undertaker as they've absolutely nothing to lose and that in my eyes doesn't make him appear very strong at all, more lucky if anything else.

 

[kadroan]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that although Taker winning is obvious, i think he will win easily, i think they'll have Brock Job to Taker in a big way, Taker destroys him. This makes Taker a real threat again as the last few years he's won the matches by the skin of his teeth really. I think if he's going up against a Cena or someone then he's got to appear dangerous rather than just resilient. Imagine Brock barely gets offence and Taker beats him to a bloody mess. No-one's as eager to jump in the ring with him next year then right? Because as things are now, anyone would take a chance against the Undertaker as they've absolutely nothing to lose and that in my eyes doesn't make him appear very strong at all, more lucky if anything else.

With the way the build up is how Taker is making Brock look weak unless Brock finally looks good against him on RAW tonight, I'd expect Brock's match up to be like his match against Cena at ER in 2012.

May take Taker hitting three tombstones to take him out.

No one was really eager to face Taker this year storyline wise. Taker went after Brock.

With Taker only wrestling once a year, creative can easily build Taker back up as a threat.