Thank God the entire world hasn't lost their mind.
Wrestlemania failed on every level from a fans perspective.
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Thank God the entire world hasn't lost their mind.
aannndd now they're averaging a 3.0 in 2012, the lowest they've been on that entire chart. That's not Cenas fault though because Cena is perfect and a mega draw. You sound ridiculous. If Cena was such a draw he would Draw with or with out the belt.
ProWrestlingFan
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WCW had Goldberg and Sting as top faces. But NWO had the same drawing power as those guys.
How about for the sole fucking purpose of it's not exactly what's gone on for a fucking decade now? If that alone isn't a good enough reason I don't know what the fuck is!
Poop Master Flex
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Faces need heels to draw, saying heels don't draw is incredibly unfair to heels. Flair drew as a heel, nWo drew as heels but even if you wanna say Rhodes or Sting drew not the bad guys that's fair but without the heels the faces don't draw. Heel is hated, face vanquishes heel, people watch to see face triumph over heel not to watch them wrestle a stack of bricks. Outside of the few mega stars faces drawing often depended on how good the heel was. Bret beating Owen draws, Bret beating a heel Barry Horowitz doesn't.
So, you expect Cena to draw the same amount when he's feuding with Johnny Ace as he would with Triple H?
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
The point of being the top draw is to be the champion. If Cena's not competing for the title fans don't seem to care. Wait, wait... are you suggesting that it's entirely Cena's fault that ratings drop or increase because there's no one else on his level? And the decrease in ratings couldn't possibly be contributed to lazy writing on creative's behalf, now could it
.Austin managed to feud with Vince and draw the same amount as he would draw feuding with Triple H or anyone else for that matter so ummm let me think about it. YES. If Cena is such a fucking draw he would draw no matter what.
I never mentioned the belt. I don't think I even referenced it. But I also don't blame Cena either. Considering just how much programming there is in the world, it would seem logical for ratings to go down. Not everyone watches professional wrestling or nothing. KB is an exception, not the rule. Plus three hours of Raw a week is just waaaaay too much in itself. Besides, I guarantee you more people watch him either to see him lose or win than not watch at all.
And it always has been and will be a New York, north east centered company.
There is no market that hate Cena more than the state of New York market.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
If Cena's not in the world champion hunt, and is in a feud that gets less attention than the world title match, then Cena isn't the main focal point of the card now is he? Why should he be obligated to keep carrying WWE when they are trying to make new stars... unless you are saying that on one else on the roster is capable of making new stars other than Cena.
PsychoBlack
Damn it feels good to be a Taylor!!
That was the first time it had been done and the only time it was done right
ProWrestlingFan
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If Cena's not in the world champion hunt, and is in a feud that gets less attention than the world title match, then Cena isn't the main focal point of the card now is he? Why should he be obligated to keep carrying WWE when they are trying to make new stars... unless you are saying that on one else on the roster is capable of making new stars other than Cena.
Less attention than a World title match? He main-evented PPVs over the WWE Championship.
When he was fueding with John Laurinaitis it was the main fued going into the PPV instead of the WWE Championship.
More excuses how EVERYTHING is the problem except Cena.
In this thread I've seen everything from the economy, to benoit, to CM Punk, to the channel they're on being blamed and everything in between. You guys are just beyond special...the only thing that's somehow not the reason for the current state of wrestling is the face of the company.
The same Steve Austin who while top of the card from 1999 to his departure in 2002 saw yearly average ratings fall every year?
1999: 6.12
2000: 5.88
2001: 4.64
2002: 4.035
You also fail to pay attention to the fact that John Cena makes the most money in a company that is focused on making money. This is a fact.
The same Steve Austin who while top of the card from 1999 to his departure in 2002 saw yearly average ratings fall every year?
1999: 6.12
2000: 5.88
2001: 4.64
2002: 4.035
WWE screwed up everything from the moment they bought WcW on. If you want to do it like this we would have to say that Hogan, The Rock, Austin, Undertaker, Cena, none of them are draws and ratings are a direct result of quality booking, storylines and feuds and have little to do with the actual roster.
ProWrestlingFan
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And the 0.24 drop from 1999 to 2000 is because? WWE didn't acquire WCW until march 2001. Try again.
so your argument is that every single wrestler ever basically isn't a draw since they've all wrestled from them - now pretty much? If so that's fine. Other wise please shut the fuck up.
ProWrestlingFan
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Because Austin was injured...
Not what I'm saying. I'm saying your arguments against Cena being a draw are shit. Case in point, it's incredibly easy to turn them against Steve Austin. I mean, look at the graph.
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