WM29: Aftermath and General Discussion

What match do you THINK we'll see for the WWE title?

  • The Rock vs John Cena II

  • The Rock vs CM Punk II

  • The Rock vs CM Punk vs John Cena


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its going to be a great mania no matter what.. even with the top 3 matches being recent rematches ( Rock VS Cena, Brock VS HHH, Taker VS Punk) we just know they will be bigger and better than the 1st time around look at last year no one wanted to see taker VS HHH again but they match was a classic and was defiantly entertaining..i dont understand why people are moaning over 3 great matches.. i dread to think what the midcards and divas matches are going to be like cause i dont see any feuds shaping up right now!!
 
Dude, that response hardly "shredded" me lol. It was incredibly long however, and I'm waaaay too lazy and don't care enough to respond to something so damn lengthy. The card sucks so far. Nobody does or should care about the undercard matches nearly as much as the headliners which makes every Mania. It's not like a select few are imagining things here...the reality is that there are shitloads of people pissed off about the multiple rematches as the main events, and the other 100% predictable Taker-Punk match. So stop acting stupid, and keep pretending it's a good card, unless you're a Cena nut hugger who is sooo happy to see him win a fake match against the Rock lol.
The only one who cares about outcomes here is you. The "shitloads" of people will bitch about everything. WWE is a business, these are the matches people will pay for, the crowd will be into it. And the matches will all be good in their own unique way. I don't give a shit who wins. The guy I think will win will get me to bite more on the falsies but that's it. You have the match that will get the biggest draw, Lesnar (who brings in older fans) vs HHH (a big guy everyone knows) will be a good brawl and draw. Taker s the ultimate test for the best in the world. I'm sorry that you can dislike something so much and still watch. I have no idea what that must be like. I've seen exactly 1 episode of jersey shore, teen mom, honey boo boo, and real housewives. That's it. I disliked them. I don't watch more and I sure as hell don't go on boards and bitch about it. It's behavior seems to be unique to the IWC. There is over a month left. Mark Henry vs Ryback will be a battle (that you probably think will suck because they're bigger), shield vs Orton/Sheamus/whoever will be fun, whatever they do with DB and Kane will be interesting. You are already shitting on something because you think you know e outcome and think you know the next 4 weeks of booking. That's stupid. I watch for the story, not the destination.

Also, yea, he shredded your shit logic.
 
Howdy folks, newbie here... don't flame me too much.

This topic is one my friends and I have intensely debated on more than one occasion. I think the problem with the way WWE has booked WrestleMania this year so far is that the matches so far are being perceived by people as being lazy, for the simple reason it's matches that have been done before, and given that Mania is the stand out card of the year, I think people were expecting something different.

Mania was always going to be a big draw, heck with Cena, The Rock, The Undertaker and Triple H you have arguably 4 of the 5 biggest stars of the industry over the last 10 years. Add to that a white hot CM Punk and a 'returning' Brock Lesnar and you have already drawn a massive audience. The booking can afford to be a little less creative due to the star power.

Another reason why people are feeling let down is CM Punk, after his monumental, cutting edge, enthralling 434 day title reign, his fans are probably feeling a little let down that he's twice come up short at PPV's, and its almost nailed on that he will lose to The Undertaker, IF, he still heald the belt, then this match would look 100% more interesting as it would make it more believable that Punk would be able to break the streak, whilst holding onto his title. Without the strap, to me at least, it just seems that we already know the result of the three main bouts at Mania.

I have no doubt that Rock/Cena, HHH/Lesnar and Punk/Taker will be three stellar bouts. However, I don't expect to be surprised by the outcome.

Rock will go under to Cena, HHH will get retribution and the Streak will live on.

I don't want to spend too much time on what might have been, but I would have booked the 'Super 6' as it were as follows...

WWE Title: Triple Threat
The Rock (c) vs. CM Punk vs. John Cena

The Streak: No DQ, Special Referee
The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar; ref: Triple H

I would have even made a case for keeping the WWE Title match as it currently is in reality and booked a huge End of an Era Tag Team match pitting CM Punk & Brock Lesnar against Triple H & The Undertaker. Throw Michaels and Heyman in at ringside it would be a proper 'Dream Match', in my opinion... but thats all it is, opinion, and a pretty irrelevant one as it isn't going to happen.

The final, and slightly more minor factor, could be that many people were hoping to have a heel Randy Orton defending the Heavyweight strap against Sheamus. I know which bout seems more appealing as a Mania title match out of that and Swagger/Del Rio. Plus, we know Dolph will be lurking...

For excitement and suspense, we will probably have to goto the under card, and hope thats booked correctly/well.

The Shield, along with clever booking of the likes of Chris Jericho, Ryback, Wade Barrett, Sheamus and other upper midcard talent could take this from being a 7/10 to a 8 or 9/10 on the night action. What I'm trying to say is, I believe the action on the night will far surpass what you expect looking at the card.

Here's a few matches ideas from a little outside the box... maybe a little inside... (I obviously don't expect these on the same card).

10th IC Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Wade Barrett
(There is history to build on going back to NXT, would be a great card opener)

Randy Orton vs. Sheamus

The Shield vs. Big Show & Ryback

Big Show vs. Ryback

Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara (fully aware this is not an original idea, but I'm sure many of us would like to see this).

MitB Briefcase Match
The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler

Goldust vs. Cody Rhodes (why not? I enjoyed their work at The Rumble)

You will notice The Shield are only bought up once, purely because I think we know what's coming... but I just wanted to throw a slightly different angle on it out there make room for another bout. This is without bringing Team Hell No, Damien Sandow, the obligatory Divas match, Mark Henry, Antonio Cesaro and others.

I expect alot from Mania this year... the only way it can go wrong is if the hype is too much, and this is Mania, and seldom is too much hype every enough.

*Breathes*
 
The only one who cares about outcomes here is you. The "shitloads" of people will bitch about everything. WWE is a business, these are the matches people will pay for, the crowd will be into it. And the matches will all be good in their own unique way. I don't give a shit who wins. The guy I think will win will get me to bite more on the falsies but that's it. You have the match that will get the biggest draw, Lesnar (who brings in older fans) vs HHH (a big guy everyone knows) will be a good brawl and draw. Taker s the ultimate test for the best in the world. I'm sorry that you can dislike something so much and still watch. I have no idea what that must be like. I've seen exactly 1 episode of jersey shore, teen mom, honey boo boo, and real housewives. That's it. I disliked them. I don't watch more and I sure as hell don't go on boards and bitch about it. It's behavior seems to be unique to the IWC. There is over a month left. Mark Henry vs Ryback will be a battle (that you probably think will suck because they're bigger), shield vs Orton/Sheamus/whoever will be fun, whatever they do with DB and Kane will be interesting. You are already shitting on something because you think you know e outcome and think you know the next 4 weeks of booking. That's stupid. I watch for the story, not the destination.

Also, yea, he shredded your shit logic.

No he didn't...that's your opinion...just like everything I said is my phucking opinion. Not facts. Nothing you say on this will change my mind or anyone elses. For you people to sit here and get on everyone who doesn't like it are fools. We feel it sucks ass for good reason. You may feel differently, but if you can't sit here and at least find it a little bit understanding as to why we may be upset, well now, you must be blind. If you don't think that the top 3 matches being predictable, and 2 of them are something we've already seen is something worth criticizing in the slightest, then I don't know what to tell you, because it's not something all that ridiculous. I could see if we were blowing it way out of proportion...but its the biggest event of the year.

Also your Jersey Shore, Teen Mom etc comparison is stupid. WWF/WWE is something most have been watching and liking for most of our lives...but like anything it's not perfect, and most won't stop watching entirely over a bad card...that'd be dumb. But that's what message boards are for genius...to discuss our opinions. You don't make very much sense in your posts at all dude...neither does the other guy with the novel for a response who's comments were equally nonsense. :disappointed:
 
No he didn't...that's your opinion...just like everything I said is my phucking opinion. Not facts. Nothing you say on this will change my mind or anyone elses. For you people to sit here and get on everyone who doesn't like it are fools. We feel it sucks ass for good reason. You may feel differently, but if you can't sit here and at least find it a little bit understanding as to why we may be upset, well now, you must be blind. If you don't think that the top 3 matches being predictable, and 2 of them are something we've already seen is something worth criticizing in the slightest, then I don't know what to tell you, because it's not something all that ridiculous. I could see if we were blowing it way out of proportion...but its the biggest event of the year.

Also your Jersey Shore, Teen Mom etc comparison is stupid. WWF/WWE is something most have been watching and liking for most of our lives...but like anything it's not perfect, and most won't stop watching entirely over a bad card...that'd be dumb. But that's what message boards are for genius...to discuss our opinions. You don't make very much sense in your posts at all dude...neither does the other guy with the novel for a response who's comments were equally nonsense. :disappointed:
You can say a show will suck without even knowing the full story if you want, but that is definately similar to his novel analogy. You can hate a match because you think you know the outcome all you want but that's like not liking the dark knight rises because you know batman will win. If wwe started picking winners at random and having them win with armbars and head locks, it'd be unpredictable but it'd suck. You can think that if you want. I think it's a silly way to watch.
 
You can say a show will suck without even knowing the full story if you want, but that is definately similar to his novel analogy. You can hate a match because you think you know the outcome all you want but that's like not liking the dark knight rises because you know batman will win. If wwe started picking winners at random and having them win with armbars and head locks, it'd be unpredictable but it'd suck. You can think that if you want. I think it's a silly way to watch.

It's not about just the predictability though. It's also the want to watch something fresh and new. WrestleMania is always about what they can put together that we haven't seen before and that we have no idea what will happen....with the exception of the Rock vs Austin which was completely different the 1st and 2nd time. The 3rd was a great in ring match, but we all knew the ending...wasn't too big on it even though Rock got his win. Which is similar to this with Cena.

I just wanted to see something I haven't before and all that comes with that...the fued, storyline, match, and ending...we've seen all of that with Rock vs Cena...except a belt...which changes nothing entertainment wise...it's just there, almost like a gimmick since we know the Rock could care less about it since he's never around, and he's been there done that. They just through it in to make it "different" this time around. Doesn't change a thing imo.
 
WWE is still formulating the rest of the WrestleMania 29 card. At this time, here is how the card is looking for the show:

WWE Championship:
The Rock vs. John Cena

World Heavyweight Championship:
Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger

Stipulation to be Named:
Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar

CM Punk vs. Undertaker

Six-Man Tag Team Match:
The Shield vs. Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show

Ryback vs. Mark Henry

Chris Jericho vs. Fandango

WWE Tag Team Championship:
Kane & Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E Langston

Intercontinental Championship:
Wade Barrett vs. The Miz

Divas Championship:
Kaitlyn vs. Layla

Eight-Person Mixed Tag Team Match:
Brodus Clay, Tensai, Cameron and Naomi vs. Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow & The Bella Twins

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter via rajah.com

that is a terrible under-card for WrestleMania...I would remove Fandango vs Jericho and add Jericho to the Intercontinental Title Match with Barrett and Miz, and I would remove that stupid Eight-Person Mixed Tag Match and add Rhodes/Sandow to the Tag Title Match...Fandango, Brodus Clay and Tensai should be NO WHERE near the WM card and neither does Cameron, Naomi, and the Bella's...
 
WWE is still formulating the rest of the WrestleMania 29 card. At this time, here is how the card is looking for the show:

WWE Championship:
The Rock vs. John Cena

World Heavyweight Championship:
Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger

Stipulation to be Named:
Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar

CM Punk vs. Undertaker

Six-Man Tag Team Match:
The Shield vs. Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show

Ryback vs. Mark Henry

Chris Jericho vs. Fandango

WWE Tag Team Championship:
Kane & Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E Langston

Intercontinental Championship:
Wade Barrett vs. The Miz

Divas Championship:
Kaitlyn vs. Layla

Eight-Person Mixed Tag Team Match:
Brodus Clay, Tensai, Cameron and Naomi vs. Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow & The Bella Twins

No way there will be those many matches. The Eight-person tag tam match is the definition of a pre-show match. There is simply not enough time for eight matches. I'd suspect Jericho to be put in the triple threat and Fandango left of the card. Even then it is cutting it.

Jericho and Fandango is actually a good idea; however, I doubt that Fandango worthy of this match. I've not really seen much of him but I like his gimmick.

This card is very solid. There are going to be WM moments from Ryback, Punk, Cena and maybe Ziggler. There are guys making their WM debut and will become stronger for it. We know, that if the match goes ahead, Fandango will get the win. We know Ryback will win. We can presume the Shield get a WM victory. Swagger may win a world title. There are many reasons why I am excited for this years Mania. It is very easy to be pessimistic but it will be fantastic from top to bottom.
 
I think Mania is shaping up pretty good if I am honest, it could better but so far so good. Both Title matches are very interesting, Trips vs Brock has a stipulation to be added and Punk vs Taker sells itself.

Mark Henry vs Ryback will probably be made official. The Shield vs Orton, Sheamus and Show also looks like it is happening and strong rumours of Team Hell No vs Big E and Dolph Ziggler.

IC Belt - Wade Barrett defending against Chris Jericho would be nice, Antonio Cesaro vs Kofi Kingston would be another nice undercard bout.

Finally a MITB match - Miz, Truth, Shelton, Sin Cara, Cody, Sandow, Rey, etc

And last but not least a dance off - Fandango, Brodus, Tensai, Horsnwoggle, Khali
 
To be honest, a MITB match would be dreadfully short on talent. There is no point throwing people in for the sake of it. Excluding champions and Ziggler there are few guys that can be put in. Who would even win? Rhodes or Sandow are the only two that I could feasibly think of.

They have the triple main-event sorted. Plus Swagger/Del Rio. After that, there is Ryback/Henry and the 6-man tag.

That is six matches already. Presuming 8 matches is the absolute limit and there is still the IC/US and Tag-team titles to defend there is a problem. I would suggest that the US belt is left of the card and defended on the pre-show. This leaves Barrett/The Miz and Jericho for the Intercontinental championship and Team Hell No v Ziggler/Langston (could easily add Rhodes Scholars and NAO).

Those eight matches are very good in my opinion. I would want to see every single one and that should be what Mania is about. Combine some entertainment, legends etc. and it will WM29 will be very memorable.
 
To be honest, a MITB match would be dreadfully short on talent. There is no point throwing people in for the sake of it. Excluding champions and Ziggler there are few guys that can be put in. Who would even win? Rhodes or Sandow are the only two that I could feasibly think of.

They have the triple main-event sorted. Plus Swagger/Del Rio. After that, there is Ryback/Henry and the 6-man tag.

That is six matches already. Presuming 8 matches is the absolute limit and there is still the IC/US and Tag-team titles to defend there is a problem. I would suggest that the US belt is left of the card and defended on the pre-show. This leaves Barrett/The Miz and Jericho for the Intercontinental championship and Team Hell No v Ziggler/Langston (could easily add Rhodes Scholars and NAO).

Those eight matches are very good in my opinion. I would want to see every single one and that should be what Mania is about. Combine some entertainment, legends etc. and it will WM29 will be very memorable.

At Wrestlemania 26
Shelton Benjamin, Evan Bourne, Christian, Matt Hardy, Kane, Kofi Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Montel Vontavious Porter and Dolph Ziggler

How would the current roster be short on talent to hold it at Wrestlemania 29??? There are so many Superstars with nothing to do right now at Mania. Yes there are rumoured matches featuring Barrett, Miz, Cesaro, Truth etc but as things stand they could have a hell of a MITB match with of without these Superstars in there!!!

What is the status of Rey and Christian??? Both those could be possiblities.
 
WWE Wrestlemania
Pre Show
1. Alex Riley vs Bo Dallas vs Brodus Clay vs Camacho vs Curt Hawkins vs Darren Young vs David Otunga vs Derrick Bateman vs Drew McIntyer vs Epico vs Fandango vs The Great Khali vs Heath Slater vs Hornswoggle vs Jimmy Uso vs Jey Uso vs Jinder Mahal vs JTG vs Justin Gabriel vs Mason Ryan vs Michael McGillicutty vs Primo vs Santino Marella vs Sin Cara vs Tensai vs Titus O Neil vs Tyson Kidd vs William Regal vs Yoshi Tatsu vs Zack Ryder vs Kofi Kingston vs R Truth 32 Man Over The Top Battle Royal
WWE Wrestlemania
2. WWE United States Champion: Antonio Cesaro vs Mike Mizanin 1on1 for the WWE United States Championship
3. Ryback and Randy Orton and Sheamus vs Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns 6 Man Tag Team Elimination
4. Road Dogg and Billy Gunn with X Pac vs Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow with Brie Bella and Nikki Bella Tag Team
5. The Big Show vs Mark Henry 1on1
6. WWE IC Champion: Wade Barrett vs Chris Jericho 1on1 for the WWE IC Championship
7. WWE World Heavyweight Champion: Alberto Del Rio with Ricardo Rodriguez vs Jack Swagger with Zeb Colter 1on1 for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship
8. The Undertaker vs CM Punk with Paul Haymen 1on1
9. WWE Tag Team Champions: Daniel Bryan and Kane vs Big E Langston and AJ Lee Tag Team for the WWE Tag Team Championships
10. Triple H vs Brock Lesnar with Paul Haymen 1on1 Hell In A Cell
11. WWE Divas Champion: Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee vs Aksana vs Alicia Fox vs Brie Bella vs Cameron vs Layla El vs Naomi vs Natalya Neidhart vs Nikki Bella vs Rosa Mendes vs Tamina Snuka vs Trish Stratus vs Lita vs Ivory vs Molly Holly vs Kelly Kelly vs Beth Phoenix vs Jazz vs Kharma vs Maryse vs Michelle McCool 22 Diva Battle Royal for the 2013 Miss Wrestlemania Crown and the WWE Divas Championship
12. WWE Champion: The Rock vs John Cena 1on1 No DQ for the WWE Championship

Let me know what all you guys think
 
I do agree with most of you that the main event matches are all rematchs and I am all for Brock vs Triple H 2 and Cena vs Rock 2 and even Undertaker vs Punk 2 (As for the Cena vs Rock it shouldnt be for the WWE Championship.) But these matches would be great for a second rate PPV.
 
At Wrestlemania 26
Shelton Benjamin, Evan Bourne, Christian, Matt Hardy, Kane, Kofi Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Montel Vontavious Porter and Dolph Ziggler

How would the current roster be short on talent to hold it at Wrestlemania 29??? There are so many Superstars with nothing to do right now at Mania. Yes there are rumoured matches featuring Barrett, Miz, Cesaro, Truth etc but as things stand they could have a hell of a MITB match with of without these Superstars in there!!!

What is the status of Rey and Christian??? Both those could be possiblities.

Jack Swagger won. At the time, Mvp, McIntyre, Ziggler, Christian, Kane and even Bourne could have won. Benjamin and Hardy were fairly big names.

Looking at the current roster, eliminating guys who already have a match; who can actually win the MITB? Cody Rhodes is the only guy I can think of. Sandow maybe. Even if Christian and Rey were to be in the match: I can't see either winning. Fandango, Sin Cara, Kofi can all be in but will not win the match. Plus, having this match shouldn't be priority over Barrett, Cesaro and Team Hell No.

I love the MITB matches. Always have and they were generally the highlight of the night. That being said, I just don't see the need in putting this match in with no credible winner.
 
It's not about just the predictability though. It's also the want to watch something fresh and new. WrestleMania is always about what they can put together that we haven't seen before and that we have no idea what will happen....with the exception of the Rock vs Austin which was completely different the 1st and 2nd time. The 3rd was a great in ring match, but we all knew the ending...wasn't too big on it even though Rock got his win. Which is similar to this with Cena.

I just wanted to see something I haven't before and all that comes with that...the fued, storyline, match, and ending...we've seen all of that with Rock vs Cena...except a belt...which changes nothing entertainment wise...it's just there, almost like a gimmick since we know the Rock could care less about it since he's never around, and he's been there done that. They just through it in to make it "different" this time around. Doesn't change a thing imo.

See,I just don't understand why people are complaining about predictability. So its going to be predictable,so what? Is that the only reason why people tune in? So they can be consistently shocked? What about tuning in to see a great wrestling match? Has anybody,I mean ANYBODY considered the possibility that maybe,despite having a card full of rematches,that maybe these rematches might be awesome? Will you complain then?

Then another thing,people complain about rematches. Right,like we've seen Rock and Cena face off against each other half a million times. They've had one match....one match! How is that even remotely overdoing it? The same goes for Lesnar and HHH,they two have only had one match. Yet doing a rematch is somehow a sin. How many times has HHH faced Taker at mania? 3 times. Twice back to back. How many times has Austin and Rock faced each other at WM? The same amount. Kane and Undertaker? HBK and the Undertaker? People don't understand that if a match comes together and it proves to be a success,then you are going to see it again,especially if it brings in big money.

In my mind people have ZERO right to complain. Had people been told 5 years ago that you would be getting Rock Vs Cena not once but twice,people would cream in their pants. As I said,all you people care about is how predictable this WM card is because of all the rematches. I say,who really gives a damn? As long as they produce then I could really care less about how predictable they are. If you want something new then by all means,skip this WM and wait till next year. Should you do that though then you'd be at the loss here for missing a great WM with a great card,despite the rematches.

I just don't understand. Rock/Cena, Lesnar/HHH have only had one match and people are already sick of them. Really?!? there is so much room for improvement here but no lets go with something less predictable then,because,yeah that's always better. :weird:
 
Match Predictions

WWE Championship:
The Rock(c) vs. John Cena

World Heavyweight Championship:
Alberto Del Rio(c) vs. Jack Swagger

Undertaker vs. CM Punk

MMA Rules:
Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar

The Shield vs. Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show

Ryback vs. Mark Henry

Triple Threat Intercontinental Championship:
Wade Barrett(c) vs. The Miz vs. Chris Jericho

WWE Tag Team Championships:
Team Hell-No(c) vs. Team Rhodes Scholars

United States Championship:
Antonio Cesaro(c) vs. R-Truth

Divas Championship:
Kaitlyn(c) vs. Layla

Pre-Show Divas Battle Royal: Winner Faces Kaitlyn Later On:
AJ Lee vs. Aksana vs. Alicia Fox vs. Cameron vs. Layla vs. Naomi vs. Natalya vs. Rosa Mendes vs. Tamina Snuka vs. Nikki Bella vs. Brie Bella
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Match Results

WWE Championship:
John Cena def. The Rock (new WWE Champion)
The Rock defeating John Cena last year at Wrestlemania 28 basically set this match up to result in John Cena winning this year so that John Cean earns The Rock's respect.

World Heavyweight Championship:
Alberto Del Rio(c) def. Jack Swagger
No explanation necessary.

Undertaker def. CM Punk
Undertaker will definitely win this match. If Triple H or Shawn Michaels couldn't end the streak, CM Punk will definitely NOT be the person to do so.

MMA Rules:
Triple H def. Brock Lesnar
Brock Lesnar winning this match would make absolutely no sense at all, which is why Triple H must win.

The Shield def. Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show
As much as it sucks to see Randy Orton, Sheamus & Big Show lose to such new competitors, it's gonna happen. The Shield has so much potential right now that there is no way they're going to lose. Especially at Wrestlemania.

Ryback def. Mark Henry
Ryback's the next big thing. No way he's gonna lose at Wrestlemania.

Triple Threat Intercontinental Championship:
Wade Barrett(c) def. Chris Jericho & The Miz
I just don't see Wade Barrett giving up the title anytime soon.

WWE Tag Team Championships:
Team Rhodes Scholars def. Team Hell-No (new WWE Tag Team Champions)
Team Rhodes Scholars have been in the running for the championships for quite a long time now and in my opinion, Team Hell-No is a joke of a team. Give the titles to Team Rhodes Scholars and have them feud with Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara or other up and coming teams.

United States Championship:
Antonio Cesaro(c) def. R-Truth
No explanation necessary.

Divas Championship:
Kaitlyn(c) def. Layla
We've seen the past few weeks that Layla and Kaitlyn haven't been on the same page and it's quite obvious Layla wants to be the champ again so her winning the pre-show battle royal and facing Kaitlyn for the title is her turning against Kaitlyn and becoming heel, yet again.

Divas Pre-Show Battle Royal:
Layla def. AJ Lee, Aksana, Alicia Fox, Cameron, Layla, Naomi, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Tamina Snuka, Nikki Bella & Brie Bella
No explanation necessary.

World Heavyweight Championship:
Dolph Ziggler def. Alberto Del Rio (new World Heavyweight Champion)
After Alberto Del Rio defeats Jack Swagger in a pretty physical match, Dolph Ziggler finally captures the opportunity to challenge for the title and defeats Alberto Del Rio for the title within seconds.
 
WrestleMania 29 Matches

WWE Championship: The Rock vs. John Cena - I think there's little doubt that John Cena will defeat The Rock, making them tied 1-1. Cena will win the WWE Championship for the 11th time and will have one final match against Rock to break the tie at Extreme Rules.

World Heavyweight Championship: Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger - While I think Del Rio has done a solid job as champion, I don't think he's gotten over as much as WWE had hoped. That being said, I expect him to retain at WM against Swagger and continue the feud until Extreme Rules. It's been rumored that they'll have a submission match at ER, at which point I think Swagger winning the title is a more realistic possibility. I still don't see it happening even then, however.

WWE Intercontinental Championship: Wade Barrett vs. Chris Jericho - I have a feeling that Barrett & Jericho will have a 1 on 1 match at WM for the title. On the Highlight Reel segment last week on Raw, Jericho brought up their mentor/student history during Barrett's days at NXT. I think that's sort of what they'll go for. I don't see a triple threat match featuring Miz happening at WM unless WWE pulls something in which the match doesn't happen or gets interrupted in the early goings. At any rate, I expect Barrett to walk out of WM the champ after scoring a win over Jericho.

WWE Tag Team Championship: Team Hell No vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E. Langston - It seems more and more obvious that WWE is building towards a match between these four. This past week, we've seen Ziggler defeat both Kane & Bryan in singles matches, albeit with a slight degree of help from AJ & Langston. I think the ride is over for Team Hell No at WrestleMania with Ziggler & Big E winning the tag titles.

WWE Divas Championship: Kaitlyn vs. Layla[/B] - I think it's pretty obvious that this match is coming. Layla is on the verge of a heel turn as she's interfered in Kaitlyn's matches, has stolen the victory in matches where she's teamed with Kaitlyn and has coveted the Divas Championship. I might be wrong, but I don't expect Layla to turn heel until after WM. They'll book this match as a match in which two friends are having a "friendly rivalry" over the title. I expect Kaitlyn to win at WM and for Layla to turn heel by attacking her from behind as she celebrates or attacking her when she tries to shake Layla's hand. This match could have a Lumberjill stipulation so that all the Divas could appear at WM, thus being part of the WM payout.

Orton, Sheamus & Big Show vs. The Shield - I fully expect Ryback to bow out of this match in order to go after Mark Henry in a singles bout. Then again, Ryback has been The Shield's most frequent target in WWE. It's hard to say and I like how WWE is keeping us guessing here, but I ultimately believe that Ryback will bow out, forcing Orton & Sheamus to replace someone they trust with someone they don't, namely Big Show. I expect The Shield to walk out with a win due, in part, to friction developing between Orton, Sheamus & Show. The friction results in some sort of breakdown, ultimately allowing The Shield to score the win.

Ryback vs. Mark Henry - I don't think this will be a long match, but I do think it'll one that's pretty physical. I'd say it'll go to about the 5 minute mark with Ryback ultimately scoring the win. Ryback has yet to score a victory in a ppv, at least a victory outside of those squash matches, and I look for WWE to end that drought by having him to over Henry in a physical and decisive way.

The Undertaker vs. CM Punk - My gut tells me that Taker will win this match and go 21-0. There's still 3 weeks until WrestleMania and still plenty of time for WWE to plant doubt in people's minds. It's common knowledge that Taker isn't what he once was physically. The aspect of Taker not being what he used to has felt like something of a theme with his last three matches at WM. I ultimately think Taker will win but if Punk is the one who ends the streak, if it's ever ended at all, I'll probably mark out quite frankly. A few years ago, I would have vehemently opposed ANYONE ending the streak. If someone does, however, then I do believe it'll be someone Taker respects and personally picks. Punk is someone like that.

Alternative Matches

The Bella Twins vs. The Funkadactyls - We saw the Bella Twins return to WWE this week and attack The Funkadactyls backstage at SD! this past Friday. This match could take place on the card as a buffer, a means of giving fans to catch their breaths, run to the bathroom, etc. The Bella Twins, if this match happens, would almost certainly come out on top. They're the more experienced and, honestly, given that they're screwing John Cena & Daniel Bryan, it's likely they'll get a push over the backup dancers. I think it more likely though that they'll all be part of a Lumberjill match between Layla & Kaitlyn.

Battle Royal - In past WrestleManias, there's been a battle royal held during the pre-show. The winner doesn't really win anything, but is able to be on the WM card as a whole. The participants are generally lower mid-card guys who are only on the show, primarily, to give some pre-show entertainment so they can collect on a WM payday.

United States Championship - There MIGHT be a United States Championship match on the card. This MIGHT be part of the main card in which Cesaro might defend against The Miz or some random opponent that's picked out and given some minor build over the next 3 weeks.
 
I don't think this is worthy of a new thread, but with all this delaying going on with Fandango... does anyone else fear that they might be delaying his debut for WrestleMania?

Surely that would be the ultimate career killer, especially with the Gimmick he has been given. It's an awful idea... but is it likely...?

I'm also still hoping for Goldust vs Cody... but I doubt that will happen :(.
 
I wouldn't call this a "booking" thread, because I'm not trying to book the show myself (i.e. I don't like Taker/Lesnar, but we all know it's happening). Anyway, this is the direction the show seems to be going considering recent developments on TV and reports on the news page. Without further ado, here we go:

#1. WWE United States Championship: Jack Swagger vs. Antonio Cesaro (c)
#2. Chris Jericho vs. Dolph Ziggler (Stipulation?)
#3. Kofi Kingston vs. R-Truth
#4. WWE Intercontinental Championship: Goldust vs. Cody Rhodes (c)
#5. Sheamus vs. Mark Henry
#6. Randy Orton vs. Christian
#7. Ryback vs. Big Show
#8. World Heavyweight Championship: Alberto Del Rio (c) vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Kane
#9. The Undertaker vs. CM Punk
#10. Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar
#11. WWE Championship: The Rock (c) vs. John Cena

Wow, I am horrible at predicting the card. Seriously, I don't think I've ever failed as hard as I did there. I welcome all sorts of mockery.

I really wonder though. Every year WWE seems to plan for certain matches and then change it up at the last minute. For instance, Sheamus was pushed as King of the Ring to go up against the King of Kings at WM28, but once Kevin Dunn got his way and Sheamus was de-pushed on Raw, Triple H ended up facing Undertaker during there random "Stare at each other until people care" feud.
That same year, there were rumblings that Undertaker would face Wade Barrett after Barrett's attack in the Buried Alive match. But then, Barrett got kicked out of Nexus and sent off to Smackdown. He hardly made the PPV with the random "How else do we get these guys on the card?" 8-man tag team match.

So my question to you guys is:
What matches were nixed? What was the original plan? I'm pretty sure Rock/Cena and Triple H/Lesnar were always the original plan, but I wonder about the rest of the card.

I'm guessing Kane vs. Daniel Bryan seemed like it was going to happen, as well as Sheamus vs. Randy Orton. Ryback vs. The Big Show was rumored for months too. What else??
 
To my embarrassment, I completely forgot about Tripe H vs. Brock Lesnar. As to what the stipulation will be, it could be anything. I doubt that it'll be conducted under MMA rules, though I do believe people would tune in to WM just for he sake of seeing a staged MMA fight on a major wrestling ppv.

It's an interesting idea but one that I don't think is all that practical. Trips knows nothing about MMA, to my knowledge, so how could he have the necessary skill to compete in an MMA style fight that's fake and make it look realistic enough so that it doesn't look hokey while, simultaneously, not getting his head caved in.

It'll be something along the lines of last man standing or falls count anywhere, possibly Hell in a Cell.

As to who wins, I'd say Triple H will come out with the win, possibly with some help provided by Vince McMahon somehow.
 
To my embarrassment, I completely forgot about Tripe H vs. Brock Lesnar. As to what the stipulation will be, it could be anything. I doubt that it'll be conducted under MMA rules, though I do believe people would tune in to WM just for he sake of seeing a staged MMA fight on a major wrestling ppv.

It's an interesting idea but one that I don't think is all that practical. Trips knows nothing about MMA, to my knowledge, so how could he have the necessary skill to compete in an MMA style fight that's fake and make it look realistic enough so that it doesn't look hokey while, simultaneously, not getting his head caved in.

It'll be something along the lines of last man standing or falls count anywhere, possibly Hell in a Cell.

As to who wins, I'd say Triple H will come out with the win, possibly with some help provided by Vince McMahon somehow.

It's all good brother. By the way, I read your predictions last night. Good stuff. But anyway, do you think the Triple H/Lesnar match will also have some sort of stipulation with either Triple H putting his career on the line or his position as WWE COO on the line with Heyman taking charge if he loses?
 
See,I just don't understand why people are complaining about predictability. So its going to be predictable,so what? Is that the only reason why people tune in? So they can be consistently shocked? What about tuning in to see a great wrestling match? Has anybody,I mean ANYBODY considered the possibility that maybe,despite having a card full of rematches,that maybe these rematches might be awesome? Will you complain then?

Then another thing,people complain about rematches. Right,like we've seen Rock and Cena face off against each other half a million times. They've had one match....one match! How is that even remotely overdoing it? The same goes for Lesnar and HHH,they two have only had one match. Yet doing a rematch is somehow a sin. How many times has HHH faced Taker at mania? 3 times. Twice back to back. How many times has Austin and Rock faced each other at WM? The same amount. Kane and Undertaker? HBK and the Undertaker? People don't understand that if a match comes together and it proves to be a success,then you are going to see it again,especially if it brings in big money.

In my mind people have ZERO right to complain. Had people been told 5 years ago that you would be getting Rock Vs Cena not once but twice,people would cream in their pants. As I said,all you people care about is how predictable this WM card is because of all the rematches. I say,who really gives a damn? As long as they produce then I could really care less about how predictable they are. If you want something new then by all means,skip this WM and wait till next year. Should you do that though then you'd be at the loss here for missing a great WM with a great card,despite the rematches.

I just don't understand. Rock/Cena, Lesnar/HHH have only had one match and people are already sick of them. Really?!? there is so much room for improvement here but no lets go with something less predictable then,because,yeah that's always better. :weird:


You're missing the point entirely. CHANGE is the difference between all the matches you've listed and the Rock vs Cena II. Gimmicks, characters, heel/face, popularity, etc has changed in every one of the rematches with the exception of HBK back to back against Taker...both of which were not the Main Event, and therefore acceptable especially considering who was left to face him at the time.

Austin and Rock's fued was soooo different every time, and weren't back to back either. Same with Kane vs Taker. HHH vs Taker changed by adding in HBK and the Hell in a Cell..plus nobody was left to face him otherwise. Not to mention that Rock vs Cena was a special circumstance like a Rock vs Hogan type of match...once in a lifetime match. IMO you don't repeat those types.

Also, it's one thing to watch a match and maybe have an idea as to who might win, or be completely shocked by who wins, but it's another to know 100% the exact outcome on multiple main events. That's what ruins it. What makes it even worse is that this will ultimately lead to a 3rd match at next years Mania...a phucking nightmare this turned out to be.

Btw..the "they had only one match" thing...HHH vs Lesnar faced at the 2nd biggest event of the year just like 6 months ago, and Rock vs Cena was last years main event...it's one thing to have faced a few years ago at a normal ppv...but last years Mania Main Event? Jeez. We have every right to complain...it's our opinion. Am I supposed to like it because you do? lol
 
Austin and Rock's fued was soooo different every time, and weren't back to back either. Same with Kane vs Taker. HHH vs Taker changed by adding in HBK and the Hell in a Cell..plus nobody was left to face him otherwise. Not to mention that Rock vs Cena was a special circumstance like a Rock vs Hogan type of match...once in a lifetime match. IMO you don't repeat those types.

Why does it matter if it was back to back or not? We are simply and talking about WM rematches right? Well,all of those matches you listed are rematches. You can argue oh these are special circumstances,they were different every time so it doesn't count mmk but the bottom line is a rematch is a rematch.

Once in a lifetime. Seriously? Rock Vs Cena is once in a life time. Now you have the WWE title involved(oh BTW,that's adding something to the match isn't it?). Rock Vs Cena for the WWE championship is another once in a life time match. Well,I take that back,Rock will most likely get a rematch at Extreme Rules,so twice in a lifetime I suppose. Three matches between two of the biggest Superstars of any generation,its the kind of things wrestling fans dream about but rarely happens. Now you get that and you're general complaint is that its not different enough?

What do you want from different? You know as well as anybody on this site that Rock isn't full time enough to really pull out anything different. Oh but Cena is. Okay,so what about Cena? People say oh why not just turn him heel. Yeah,bad move. Cena is the top Babyface of the company. He is currently unmatched on the roster in that regard. So turning him would be a terrible mistake since there is nobody on the card who is able to carry the company in the role Cena has been doing for the better part of a decade. Bottom line is you should know WWE better than this and expecting something different is asinine. Rock and Cena drew the highest WM buys of all time and you think Vince is just going to let that be when there is still money to be made? Hell,I'd do the same thing if I was in charge. It's the logical thing to do.

Also, it's one thing to watch a match and maybe have an idea as to who might win, or be completely shocked by who wins, but it's another to know 100% the exact outcome on multiple main events. That's what ruins it. What makes it even worse is that this will ultimately lead to a 3rd match at next years Mania...a phucking nightmare this turned out to be.

Lol what? You can predict the future now? Rock won last year. Cena will win this year and get his redemption. They will have a rematch at Extreme Rules and Cena will get the win again. Proving once and for all he can beat the Rock. That will be the end of it. There is nothing else they can really do after that.

Predictability is not that bad from time to time. In fact wrestling as a whole is centered around predictability. The whole heel Vs Face agenda is built around the face getting the eventual win over the heel after months of the heel antagonizing and getting the better of the face. Though the feud isn't centered around a heel and face,it works under the same principle. If you had been paying any attention the build at all. Rock Vs Cena,the biggest match of Cena's career. He makes it all about how he has to win. He has to win in order to validate his position in the company and and validate who he says he is. He then lost. Now of course this time around the feud is built around Cena's redemption. I mean its on his T-shirt for crying out loud,the whole never give up thing? Yeah,like it makes any sense for a guy like John Cena to just give up after one attempt.

Btw..the "they had only one match" thing...HHH vs Lesnar faced at the 2nd biggest event of the year just like 6 months ago, and Rock vs Cena was last years main event...it's one thing to have faced a few years ago at a normal ppv...but last years Mania Main Event? Jeez. We have every right to complain...it's our opinion. Am I supposed to like it because you do? lol

Come on now guy. Rematches happen all the time,sometimes only being days apart. In fact,rematches happen all the god damn time. The concept of a rematch isn't new to the world of professional wrestling. Especially when you consider both these matches have only ever occurred once. Yet people complain when they see a second? At the biggest event of the year no less. Hell,I'm excited. You might not see another Rock Vs Cena caliber match for at least another decade. So enjoy it while you have it.

As I've said,if you don't want to see it then by all means,don't watch it. It's your choice meathead. I plan on watching because on paper,the card looks fantastic. The builds and story may have been lackluster but there is so much on the card to get me excited,performance wise. Rock/Cena will be a good match,Lesnar/HHH will be a good match,Punk/Taker will be a good match. That's why I watch WM every year,to see a good event and see everybody bring out the best in themselves. I want to come out of WM saying "oh my,those matches might have been predictable but every competitor brought their A game and put on a phenomenal show,that WM was one for the ages". I have a feeling that is exactly what I will be saying.
 
Saving The Best For Last: 5 Reasons Why WrestleMania 29 Could Be The Best Of The Decade

Now this may be laughable to some. This years impending show of shows hasn't been all that well received as we anticipate April 7th. I too have been critical of some of the match choices or angles, but as the date draws near, I'm finally starting to see the show the way I'm sure those who put it together always envisioned it. Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the hype that is WrestleMania season and it's blinded me. It's happened before. From what I've read.. there are pretty low expectations for this Mania. Not to mention it has some stiff competition, with WM XX and WM 23 considered the best of the last 10 years. But I'm starting to believe this will be the one that catches us all off guard and will go down as the best of the decade. And here's 5 reasons why.

1.) New York
Maybe not a valid reason for some, but WWE always treats its New York shows as something special. And this one is the biggest show possible. It could be the last WrestleMania in the New York area for a very long time, and Vince's time as head of WWE is already coming to an end. I'm sure in the back of Vinnie Mac's mind he wants to leave his lasting impression on the birth place of WWE with one last epic night.


2.) Next Generation
With a show littered by part time and semi-retired superstars, there is also a ridiculous amount of fresh young talent. Ryback, Big E Langston, Fandango, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns, and Seth Rollins are all making their WrestleMania debuts. The World Title match consists of two guys who haven't really left their mark on WrestleMania and will now have that chance. Wade Barretts been around since 2010 and has wrestled less than 3 minutes on the grand stage. And even guys like Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler will finally have the spot light they've always deserved. Bryan's WM 27 match was moved to pre-show, and of course there was last year's 18 second showdown. Dolph has competed in 3 WrestleMania's, and has been joined by a total of 25 other superstars in those matches. Though this is a tag team match, I'm confident both guys will truly shine. We could someday look back on this Mania and remember it as the transition Mania that helped take WWE to into the next generation. Just as WrestleMania XIV was the launch pad into the Attitude Era.


3.) Strong Card
I was concerned with the undercard for this show for the longest time. There was clear focus and preparation for the main events, but WWE seemed unsure about the matches that would make up the rest of the show. I really only expect one, MAYBE two more matches to be added to the show, but the card we have already had LOADS of potential. I dont agree with Del Rio vs Swagger being the World Championship bout on the show, but there was a lot of effort put into re-establishing these characters and if WWE handles this right, hopefully they can springboard at least one of these superstars to full time main event status. Ryback vs Mark Henry will be a physical battle of titans that I've literally been begging for. I disliked the trio of Orton/Sheamus/Big Show at first, but their struggle to trust each other and be united has been a great twist to the story, and all 3 are established veterans that can help ensure The Shield's grand debut on WrestleMania is all it can be. The Tag Team Title match will be great, and don't be surprised if Jericho vs Fandango steals the show. Y2J is Y2J. And Fandango is a unique mix of calm arrogance with surprising athleticism and a mean streak to boot. All of these matches have solid build and purpose. There's invested interest in each match, making each one important which brings incredible value to the overall show.


4.) Main Events
On April 7th we have not one, not two, but THREE headlining matches that could all main event WrestleMania respectfully. Each match has been given fair time on RAW to build (due in part to The Rock's absence) and I've really enjoyed it. One week was all about CM Punk and The Undertaker, the next was centered around Triple H and Brock Lesnar, and Cena/Rock have stayed at the forefront and this past Monday's RAW really sold the PPV in my opinion. The legends panel was the best segment Cena and Rocky have had in three years of feuding. And that leads me to the final reason.


5.) Long Term Payoffs
The Rock and John Cena have been at each others throats since February of 2011. At times it's been highly entertaining, others it's been boring as all hell, and sometimes it's been down right frustrating. But regardless how you've enjoyed (or not enjoyed) the Rock/Cena saga.. it all finally comes to an end in MetLife Stadium. 3 WrestleMania's worth of build culminates in an all or nothing clash that I suspect will blow last years match out of the water. Triple H and Brock Lesnar have essentially been feuding for the past 12 months. Lesnar broke The Game's arm right after he lost to Cena last April, and the two have been fighting ever since. I expect resolution for Triple H in what will likely be his final big time feud. CM Punk vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania is a personal dream match for me, as these guys are my two all time favorites. Though Punk is no longer champion, you still get the feeling it's his title reign vs the steak. As if defeating the Deadman is the validation Punk needs after falling to The Rock. I don't expect Punk to beat the steak.. but I expect them to have the match everyone is talking about by the end of the night.



I'm using my phone, so that's about all I can churn out tonight. I love wrestling discussions and would love to hear what you guys have to say about the potential in this years WrestleaMania.

Could WrestleMania 29 be the best WrestleMania of the decade?
 
After the events of yesterday's RAW, we have 8 matches set for WrestleMania. That is the same number of matches that last years Mania had so I think its safe to say that the card is set. If that's the case that leaves the current IC and US champs off the card along with their chief rivals (Miz, Kofi and Truth) and with no divas match that means the same for all the Diva's along with Rhodes and Sandow who are also out.

That is alot of talent that will be missing out on Mania. I think that we will see a 9th match added to the card that will either involve Cesaro, Barrett, Miz, Kofi and Truth or a intergender tag match featuring Rhodes Scholars and The Bella's against Tensai, Clay and Clay's dancers. I would imagine that one of those matches will be on the card while the other on the preshow.
 

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