Who can defeat Andre the Giant?
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Danger Burger
Thread Killer
I'm not sure if this is better or worse, but this might be a list of people he thinks would beat Andre.
Best thing about WZT is the adjacent complaints thread.
Dont you think Legend Killer would have been a better fit?
Well, now you are just being ******ed.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Because he literally cannot lose? And the fact that he only works once or twice a year and is still as over as he is a combined testament to the Streak and to the Taker character. And it's fake. I'm well aware that this will be the reason that Taker beats Lesnar at Mania (or that anyone beats Lesnar, for that matter).
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Which is the beauty/horror of the WZT. It's the reason why travesties like SCSA losing to Vader and Great Khali almost beating Taker occur.
This is silly. If Taker wasn't a "draw," the WWE machine could only do so much.
From a kayfabe POV, can someone's peak really be single nights cherry-picked from throughout a man's career? It just seems unreasonable.
Anyway, I'll be voting for Misawa over Andre if it comes to that. Because he's dead and Japanese, which trumps dead and large.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Batista won the Royal Rumble over 30 other dudes after like, 4 years without wrestling a match. That seems unreasonable, too.
Pro wrestling = absurdity.
If your best defence of your moronic kayfabe logic is "pro wrestling = absurdity," then what's the point in discussing anything with you? What's the point in discussing anything if it all boils down to that kind of flippant bullshit? Why not just throw everything out the window and vote on whatever wet fart of a whim we want? Because that's essentially what you just advocated.
Which is great, because that's what I was going to do anyway.
Oh, and Batista winning his comeback match isn't unreasonable at all in a kayfabe sense. I can find no shortage of guys coming back and winning high profile return bouts.
If you're going to insist on lowering the bar even further than this, can you at least wait till the tournament actually begins?
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Because that's how pro-wrestling works, dude. Remember back in the day when Jack Tunney would pull out the WWF Rule Book? Hmmm. I remember that Shawn Michaels used the WWF Rule Book as a cop out in order to put Steve Austin in the WWF Title match at Mania XV (which was put on the line in a match against Vince). How often does WWF just make up random and ridiculous rules for the sake of storyline? How often do the rules of matches change without logic? How often are matches restarted out of the blue? It's wrestling. It's absurd. Why shouldn't a fake tournament on the Internet also have a bit of absurdity involved?
You and everyone else. The tournament is an exercise in reason until the person that you want to win wouldn't reasonably beat his opponent. So then you make an argument that hopefully sounds reasonable enough to convince others.
Then how is it less reasonable that a wrestler is in his prime during a span where he doesn't lose ever at the biggest event of the year, always wrestling in main-event or semi-main-event matches?
The bar will be lowered on its own. It's all part of the process.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Fuck that bumbling lunatic. I would vote Blue Meanie over his crazy ass. (There's your fire).
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Why not name this "Guys who were a bigger star than Andre" if that's the only quality worthy of going over him. It isn't hard to unhinge that kind of 'logic'. Is it a one-off match from two guys who didn't even occupy the Earth at the same time? Is it a match with the informed history of said competitors? Is it a gimmick match? Do they have experience in gimmick matches? Does the match favor either competitor? What about respect of their peers compared to success? Does a short period of mega-booking outweigh a longer period of merely good booking? If you were to reduce every match to the base element of star power, the WZT would be so fucking boring.
As it stands, in this tournament you can make a case as for why Shelton Benjamin would go over Harley Race, and it's just as legitimate as any opposing.
As it stands, in this tournament you can make a case as for why Shelton Benjamin would go over Harley Race, and it's just as legitimate as any opposing.
No luck, I've lost my fire, I have become bland and impotent
Dammit Ricky! All of his recent opponents have at least laid a hand on him!
Without even the pretence of logic, what's the point?
Of course there is none except generating activity. I'm just surprised to hear you be so obvious about it. You seem to care as little as I do.
I'll just have to do my best not to let the reality of the situation reduce the hilarity of Lariat's annual attempt to outdo the last moronic post he made.
A man's prime can't be measured on one night a year. That's not a prime. That's a good night.
Saying WrestleMania is Taker's prime would be like me pretending I'm Don Juan based on the fact that I have no problem bedding 9s after Canada Day BBQs. Based only on evidence gathered during a single day of the year, I sure am a stud, aren't I?
Thankfully, I likely won't have to defend my silly "big names coming in well-rested for a return match." Still, there's plenty of evidence to back up that it's a general trend, and it's far less stupid than pretending a guy's prime is a single night every year, ignoring the rest of his work.
Danger Burger
Thread Killer
I much prefer that approach to simply saying Austin/Hogan/Cena was the biggest deal evar, how can you top that. Defeats the purpose as far as I'm concerned.
The non-top guy battles are the real treats.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Of course to add to that, you do want to keep a leash on it at least a little, as Coco says. Whilst it might be deeply gratifying to say "I wanna vote Heath Slater here cos he said he likes nachos and I like nachos and I don't think Yokozuna liked nachos and also he looked silly", and in fact it certainly is, it's just a bit beyond the pale. You've gotta at least, y'know, TRY to think of a good reason why this guy > that guy, even if it is quite far fetched.
Danger Burger
Thread Killer
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
Though in the hundreds of reasons we might hear to vote against Yokozuno, I doubt him NOT liking food will be a common one.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Touche... touche.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
The problem is, some people are REALLY good at arguing points and making cases that can distract the masses from the obvious.
At the same time, without these kind of Heath Slater type arguments...sometimes everyone agrees. And then it's not as fun. Some people should feel annoyed during the tournament or it's not serving good purpose.
Thanks.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
The Streak is kayfabe booking. The implication that Taker couldn't lose at Mania is silly. That means he could beat Thesz, Lewis, Hogan, and Sammartino in their primes at Mania... yeah, not buying it. Based off kayfabe booking I could push Kane into the final 16. And Khali at least to the 3rd round.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Yes. As is the rest of pro-wrestling. Except when they did Brawl for All.
Why? It's been over 20 years, and he still hasn't lost. Not sure why that is silly.
Taker has beaten every top star from every era of his career, including a bunch at Wrestlemania. You might not buy it, but a great many definitely would.
Wrestling is kayfabe. Why shouldn't a tournament pitting wrestlers against one another not be treated in the same way?
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Because kayfabe voting doesn't give us an accurate reading of who were the "best." And it is extremely biased. Literally anyone could beat anyone looking from kayfabe. Bryan has beaten Cenza clean. I guess that makes him a better wrestler overall. Kane beat Taker 3 separate times on PPV with the world title on the line, thus we should all vote Kane over Taker in the WZT.
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