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love_the_taker
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I simply could not agree more with you
Why should he not he not go out on top i just cant see any reason why not!!!
Undertakers 15-0 streak becoming 15-1
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I simply could not agree more with you
Why should he not he not go out on top i just cant see any reason why not!!!
slimmshady
Pre-Show Stalwart
the undertaker losing his streak will should never happen but if a small (and I mean really tiny) chance that the undertaker loses for the first time, this would mess up the undertaker's entire legacy and more importantly the rest of his career as it doesn't look right that he wins 15 in a row then suddenly he loses 1. The last of his 15 wins would basically be overshadowed by the single loss as fans of the future wouldn't really bother of seeing the great 15 names that he beat. Instead they'll be more eager to see who was that single person to defeat the undertaker at wrestlemania if you know what i mean.
BrooklynBuc
Pre-Show Stalwart
I don't understand the mentality of beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania will put over a younger main event talent, or even the whole "step aside" mentality and the burying mentality.
Let's go over who has pinned The Undertaker in the past two years: JBL, Cena, Orton, Great Khali, Edge and recently, Batista. All six have been WWE or World champ. In fact, add Kennedy to the list because he beat Taker twice, once in a First Blood Match and once as a DQ. Cena finally beating Taker put him over as a top talent ready to feud with the champ (Brock Lesnar at the time). JBL went through hell in several matches but came out on top every time, making him more than just a transitional champ. Randy Orton's Legend Killer gimmick ready took off after he pinned Taker at SummerSlam then beat him in a Casket Match. So he didn't lose to Orton at Wrestlemania. Orton got a two match win streak on him, and beat Taker and set his casket on fire. What better way to put him over as a villain?! Kennedy's career began because he beat several World champs including Taker. And let's not forget the one foot pin of Khali at Judgement Day, and that Taker, although beating him in a Last Man Standing match, hasn't pinned him. As for Batista, it took two Batista Bombs and a series of matches for him to finally earn the win.
The point is, Taker HAS put over top talent like he's supposed to. Key word: TOP talent. I love how people think that since a wrestler is old he should lose EVERY SINGLE MATCH just to put over young guys who may not even last. Taker still has great moves, he's still very over with the crowd, and he's a loyal legend who has done nothing to embarrass the WWE, unlike Edge, Mysterio, Orton, Umaga, and John Morrison, all of whom have been in trouble for drug use. Why take away a legacy of an undefeated streak when he's done nothing to lose it and it only gives a wrestler a temporary rub? I guarantee that no one will remember who ended the Undertaker's streak in five years if it happens, and it won't even impact wrestling the way you all think it will. He puts over deserving talent, unlike Kane who seems to job out to every mid-card talent on the roster. Should Taker be like Kane right now and be half the character he once was?
One more thing: EDGE IS NOT UNDEFEATED AT WRESTLEMANIA, PEOPLE!!! HE LOST MONEY IN THE BANK BECAUSE HE DID NOT WIN!!! SIMPLE LOGIC!!!
Let's go over who has pinned The Undertaker in the past two years: JBL, Cena, Orton, Great Khali, Edge and recently, Batista. All six have been WWE or World champ. In fact, add Kennedy to the list because he beat Taker twice, once in a First Blood Match and once as a DQ. Cena finally beating Taker put him over as a top talent ready to feud with the champ (Brock Lesnar at the time). JBL went through hell in several matches but came out on top every time, making him more than just a transitional champ. Randy Orton's Legend Killer gimmick ready took off after he pinned Taker at SummerSlam then beat him in a Casket Match. So he didn't lose to Orton at Wrestlemania. Orton got a two match win streak on him, and beat Taker and set his casket on fire. What better way to put him over as a villain?! Kennedy's career began because he beat several World champs including Taker. And let's not forget the one foot pin of Khali at Judgement Day, and that Taker, although beating him in a Last Man Standing match, hasn't pinned him. As for Batista, it took two Batista Bombs and a series of matches for him to finally earn the win.
The point is, Taker HAS put over top talent like he's supposed to. Key word: TOP talent. I love how people think that since a wrestler is old he should lose EVERY SINGLE MATCH just to put over young guys who may not even last. Taker still has great moves, he's still very over with the crowd, and he's a loyal legend who has done nothing to embarrass the WWE, unlike Edge, Mysterio, Orton, Umaga, and John Morrison, all of whom have been in trouble for drug use. Why take away a legacy of an undefeated streak when he's done nothing to lose it and it only gives a wrestler a temporary rub? I guarantee that no one will remember who ended the Undertaker's streak in five years if it happens, and it won't even impact wrestling the way you all think it will. He puts over deserving talent, unlike Kane who seems to job out to every mid-card talent on the roster. Should Taker be like Kane right now and be half the character he once was?
One more thing: EDGE IS NOT UNDEFEATED AT WRESTLEMANIA, PEOPLE!!! HE LOST MONEY IN THE BANK BECAUSE HE DID NOT WIN!!! SIMPLE LOGIC!!!
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ICON!
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I do not ever think he will lose at Wrestlemania and just because a DVD is on the market means nothing. Wrestlemania 23 year history nobody has a record like Undertaker so that is very special for him and I never see it ending.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Quit complaining. If you use "simple logic" than Taker isn't "undefeated" either, as he didn't "officially" beat the Giant Gonzalez at Wrestlemania IX. The match was thrown out due to the way the Giant used the knock out stuff. Taker returned, the match never finished. Thus, Taker didn't win. He was merely "awarded" the match via DQ.. IF thats how it even happened. I don't recall the announcer saying "Your winner, by Disqualification.. The Undertaker."
Money in the Bank isn't a win/loss type of match. Its like the Royal Rumble, just because you didn't win, doesn't mean you "lost." 29 other guys didn't beat one in a Rumble.. just like the winner of the MITB match didn't "beat" Edge. Mr. Kennedy won the MITB, but Edge wasn't even out there.. therefore, he was "taken out" of the match & thus, it means he wasn't involved any longer.. therefore.. "simple logic" has him not in the match, to warrent the loss.
If you continue to claim Edge has a loss, then Taker isn't 15-0.. because he never "pinned or submitted" the Giant Gonzalez.
Everyone can argue with Edge being undefeated or not.. it'll happen, & W.W.E. never should've placed Edge in the match to begin with, knowing it would stur up this problem.. (IF they even want to go with Edge remaining unbeaten)
reddevil69
Getting Noticed By Management
it is listed in the wrestlemania magazine special that the match was awarded to taker via DQ.....therefore he gets a win beside his name...Edge did not lose outright, but he still has no win in the match either, he does not get a win in the record books....the only way they can play the angle out and not have all the nit-picking going on is for Edge to claim that he's never been pinned or submitted at a WM.....
The Undertaker won at Wrestlemania 9 against the Giant Gonzalez. The Match wasn't t hrown out at all. It was a DQ loss by the Giant for using the ether. They even made an announcement at the end of the match saying that the Undertaker won, and Bobby Heenan did his typical "What, you're kidding me?" routine. So there is no debate there.
As for Edge, he was in the match, he was taken out of the match, and the match had a definite victor, and it wasn't Edge, get over it, he didn't win, he's 5-1, who gives a shit, it's going to be a helluva match whether they are 20-9, 4-5, whatever.
As for Edge, he was in the match, he was taken out of the match, and the match had a definite victor, and it wasn't Edge, get over it, he didn't win, he's 5-1, who gives a shit, it's going to be a helluva match whether they are 20-9, 4-5, whatever.
That 15-0 DVD has me concerned, though. I mean, did they do it because it was a nice even number, or because there will not be a 16-0?
The only person who could possibly beat 'Taker is Edge. It has to be someone else undefeated at WM. That could also signify passing the torch.
'Taker doesn't have much time left, so I think it can be done in a few ways. Have him win at WM and retire 16-0. He should retire at WM. Or, have him lose at WM, and then have him get revenge be beating the guy at a later PPV. He could then retire with the belt, which would also be appropriate.
'Taker well deserves his record. I hope he goes 16-0, as this is a guy who has had a lasting gimick and has selflessly entertained for years.
The only person who could possibly beat 'Taker is Edge. It has to be someone else undefeated at WM. That could also signify passing the torch.
'Taker doesn't have much time left, so I think it can be done in a few ways. Have him win at WM and retire 16-0. He should retire at WM. Or, have him lose at WM, and then have him get revenge be beating the guy at a later PPV. He could then retire with the belt, which would also be appropriate.
'Taker well deserves his record. I hope he goes 16-0, as this is a guy who has had a lasting gimick and has selflessly entertained for years.
skurai2006
Dark Match Jobber
Edge deserves to win the Royal Rumble and beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania!
First of all, we all want Undertaker to win at Survivor Series against Batista and regain his World title!
2nd thing is, if Edge is the ONE who will end The Undertaker's streak then it will be good in WWE. Edge will become the most hated superstar and it will truly shock millions of fans!
Fans expect that Taker will win at WM24 so they will not be that excited of it! But after WM24, they will be shocked as a much younger superstar ends it! These will increase the ratings of not only Smackdown! but also Raw and ECW!
Think of it that it can truly happen, a man who ends the deadman's streak at Wrestlemania!
Fans will not be disappointed of it! But will truly be shocked!!!
(My dad used to say that WWE is not true sports entertainment due of it's predicitive scripts! He explained that Undertaker will win and win at Wrestlemania but I come to think of it, If Edge beats Taker I will prove him wrong!) ☻
First of all, we all want Undertaker to win at Survivor Series against Batista and regain his World title!
2nd thing is, if Edge is the ONE who will end The Undertaker's streak then it will be good in WWE. Edge will become the most hated superstar and it will truly shock millions of fans!
Fans expect that Taker will win at WM24 so they will not be that excited of it! But after WM24, they will be shocked as a much younger superstar ends it! These will increase the ratings of not only Smackdown! but also Raw and ECW!
Think of it that it can truly happen, a man who ends the deadman's streak at Wrestlemania!
Fans will not be disappointed of it! But will truly be shocked!!!
(My dad used to say that WWE is not true sports entertainment due of it's predicitive scripts! He explained that Undertaker will win and win at Wrestlemania but I come to think of it, If Edge beats Taker I will prove him wrong!) ☻
reddevil69
Getting Noticed By Management
Taker has been quoted on this very site as saying he does not plan on retiring for a couple more years...and if he does re-gain the belt at Survivor series, he is going to hold it for more than 3 months, i'm pretty sure about that...it was reported by Dave Meltzer on Live Audio Wrestling that the original plan after Mania was for Taker to carry the belt for one full calendar year and defend it at WM 24...i can't see the office not giving him a lengthy run if he wins it back, and 3 months is not lengthy by any stretch....the dvd is a mere coincidence and it gets people talking about how it's a sign that he's not going to win at mania this year....that is exactly what the WWE wants to do, keep us guessing....and i do not believe for one second that Edge beating Taker at mania will shock anyone, it'll just piss people off and make them resent Edge...and not in a 'heel heat' way either....i think alot fans will tune out of Smackdown if that happens....Batista is still over huge and taker got a bigger pop than him in Batista's own hometown last week....the majority of WWE fans do not want to see taker lose at mania....
BrooklynBuc
Pre-Show Stalwart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xJkDyWU1ww
I love proving people wrong. This is the youtube clip of the 2nd half of The Undertaker vs. Giant Gonzalez at Wrestlemania 9. Turn your volume up and listen at 7:35 to Howard Finkel. He ain't speakin' Chinese.
By the way, a DQ win is still a win in the record books. Tatanka beat Shawn Michaels by DQ at the same event in April '93, and he was undefeated until Ludwig Borga beat him in October '93.
As for the Edge argument, just because he was injured during the match does not mean the match didn't happen. You're right, it's like the Royal Rumble, and like that, Edge did not win. The definition of undefeated in the dictionary is victorious, which is to win and not lose. You can't go undefeated if you tie someone or was involved in a match that you did not win. Try arguing that Edge is 5-0-1 then, but the match wasn't ruled a non contest because there was a winner. Injury doesn't mean you get a default in the record books. Undertaker has 15 straight wins, 14 pinfalls and 1 DQ win out of 15 matches. Edge has never been pinned, submitted, been counted out, or DQed in a match at Wrestlemania, BUT he still took part in 6 matches and won 5. As a heel, he can play that card in the upcoming match like he's just as dominant, but it doesn't mean he should be the one to ruin a legacy that took nearly 20 years to create.
I love proving people wrong. This is the youtube clip of the 2nd half of The Undertaker vs. Giant Gonzalez at Wrestlemania 9. Turn your volume up and listen at 7:35 to Howard Finkel. He ain't speakin' Chinese.
By the way, a DQ win is still a win in the record books. Tatanka beat Shawn Michaels by DQ at the same event in April '93, and he was undefeated until Ludwig Borga beat him in October '93.
As for the Edge argument, just because he was injured during the match does not mean the match didn't happen. You're right, it's like the Royal Rumble, and like that, Edge did not win. The definition of undefeated in the dictionary is victorious, which is to win and not lose. You can't go undefeated if you tie someone or was involved in a match that you did not win. Try arguing that Edge is 5-0-1 then, but the match wasn't ruled a non contest because there was a winner. Injury doesn't mean you get a default in the record books. Undertaker has 15 straight wins, 14 pinfalls and 1 DQ win out of 15 matches. Edge has never been pinned, submitted, been counted out, or DQed in a match at Wrestlemania, BUT he still took part in 6 matches and won 5. As a heel, he can play that card in the upcoming match like he's just as dominant, but it doesn't mean he should be the one to ruin a legacy that took nearly 20 years to create.
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J2Y970
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Edge hasnt lost. . it was on WWE.com the day after wrestlemania. . he was offically taken out of the match when jeff put him through the ladder. . Therefore he was out of the match when it was won making Edge still undefeated at Mania. . .
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Belcher391
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taker loose at maina? OH HELL NO!! What do that? Sounds pretty dam stupid to me.. as far as Edge being the one to end the dead mans streak. I got one thing to say to that.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. That is a joke. Edge is not a very good wrestler. He comes in at the end to win. He does not actually beat the guy, just a whinny pussy. He doesn't deserve to be in the same ring with taker. Edge is the one who came in and took the title but did not defeat taker for it. no way he should ever loose at maina. Dead man should have the title run for atleast a good year. Would be great to see a REALLY champion. Unlike Randy Ortion on Raw or CM Punk on ECW.
skurai2006
Dark Match Jobber
Your Right! Edge's character at WWE is a pussy who always stole the match! But a better word for pussy is oppurtunistic! Read the World Heavyweight Title History, You'll see Edge as the most oppurtunistic champion of all time! If he cheated his win at WM24 against Undertaker then it's ok for me because it will just change the people think of WWE as a predictive show!
And what will Vince choose: a legacy of his most loyal superstar or a young superstar ending the streak of the deadman for ratings!
reddevil69
Getting Noticed By Management
why does every one keep referring to Edge as a young superstar?...he's been with WWE for 10 fucking years...he's not a young up and comer who needs a push anymore...he just turned 34 last month....and yes, 2 of his title reigns came after he cashed in the MOITB right after Cena and Taker were both beaten up after defending their respective titles.....if Edge was this bastion of hope for the future as people say, he would have been put over properly in a title bout by now.....Edge's job is to be a heel, not carry the promotion for the next decade as the centrepiece, like they've done with Cena....with Edge's injury history and neck problems he will be lucky to still be wrestling in 5 years....
skurai2006
Dark Match Jobber
Im trying to say is a younger superstar than the Undertaker! Edge should be the top heel of WWE by now and his legible to end taker's streak at WM24!
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Akillies
Guest
he should never lose at mania, because this streak brings a kind of history to mania
This is truly a match that I would pay a good amount of money for. You have one of my favorite faces, the Undertaker versus one of my favorite heels in Edge. Yes, it's true that Edge did not actually beat the Undertaker for his title but I still think it would be a great fight. I think that taker should obviously win just to keep the streak going, but if Edge won, no one would expect that at all. It would be the match of the year.
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majestic-marcus
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In reply to Belcher391 'Edge is not a very good wrestler. He comes in at the end to win. He does not actually beat the guy, just a whinny pussy.' Have you ever actually watched Edge in the ring the guys phenomenal! He is by far one of the greatest WWE has at the moment, why do you think they keep pushing him and putting the belt ON HIM when the champ gets injured.
They do this because he delivers in the ring as well as and better than most superstars and can work the crowd (with the exception of HHH, HBK, Austin, Hogan...) better than anyone and lets face it the guys in brackets aren't gonna be around to long (Hogans already gone and Austin only shows up to fill seats and hike PPV buy rates by stunning someone). And as for him being 'just a whinny pussy' thats his character (in case you didn't know wrestling's scripted and heels like Edge are supposed to create heat) and it works wonders with the crowd
Concerning 'Takers 15-0 becoming 15-1, this will never happen, in todays WWE where well-established headliners are few and far between, such a record is priceless to Vince!
Wrestlemania will be Edge/'Taker!
Wrestlemania will be awesome!
'Taker will retain his streak (even if that means a DQ finish or a 'no contest' finish due to outside interference).
They do this because he delivers in the ring as well as and better than most superstars and can work the crowd (with the exception of HHH, HBK, Austin, Hogan...) better than anyone and lets face it the guys in brackets aren't gonna be around to long (Hogans already gone and Austin only shows up to fill seats and hike PPV buy rates by stunning someone). And as for him being 'just a whinny pussy' thats his character (in case you didn't know wrestling's scripted and heels like Edge are supposed to create heat) and it works wonders with the crowd
Concerning 'Takers 15-0 becoming 15-1, this will never happen, in todays WWE where well-established headliners are few and far between, such a record is priceless to Vince!
Wrestlemania will be Edge/'Taker!
Wrestlemania will be awesome!
'Taker will retain his streak (even if that means a DQ finish or a 'no contest' finish due to outside interference).
phillyfan4life
Dark Match Jobber
be serious they would never end takers streak not anytime soon.think about people buy wrestlemania just to see taker whip up on some fool. I predicit they wont end his streak until he becomes at least 20-0 or 20-1
HBK-aholic
Shawn Michaels ❤
The streak IS Undertaker. It's what he's know best for. And I can't see it being taken away from him, especially when, in my opinion, he'll be retiring soon and expecting an induction into the Hall Of Fame.
If, by some mirical this did happen, I can envision it in two scenarios.
Either to a youngster, at Undertakers discretion, who has an outstanding amount of talent. What a feat that would be. To end Undertakers unbeaten streak. However. no youngster is going to beat Undertaker, so this is extremely unlikely.
OR to an awfully talented wrestler such as Shawn Michaels. He may feel he only wants to lose at 'Mania to an opponenet with as much talent as him. However I can't see any of these wrestlers needing to beat Undertakers streak as they all have their own records and achievements.
If, by some mirical this did happen, I can envision it in two scenarios.
Either to a youngster, at Undertakers discretion, who has an outstanding amount of talent. What a feat that would be. To end Undertakers unbeaten streak. However. no youngster is going to beat Undertaker, so this is extremely unlikely.
OR to an awfully talented wrestler such as Shawn Michaels. He may feel he only wants to lose at 'Mania to an opponenet with as much talent as him. However I can't see any of these wrestlers needing to beat Undertakers streak as they all have their own records and achievements.
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Phenom Forever
Guest
I think it would be nice for Edge to end the streak because he deserves it. He has climbed the ranks. I mean Stone Cold lost twice in WM and no one really cares about it. But then again they never made a big deal about stone cold's winning streak. do I think his streak should end no but yes. It just has 2 be some 1 like Edge that ends it. If orton ended the streak no one would of bought it cause orton sucks. But if Edge ends it then he would cheat.
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Well, if you honestly look at it. Steve Austin wasn't the caliber of wrestler that Undertaker has been, when it comes to Wrestlemania's. Austin's first Mania match, was against Savio Vega. Austin's first loss was a year later, against Bret Hart. So there was never any type of "solid" streak to begin with. Therefore, your arguement of noone making a deal of Austin's streak ending holds no water.
Also, I disagree with your Randy Orton theory. Randy Orton could've very well been the perfect person to end the streak, especially at when it came up. Randy Orton was re-establishing himself as a heel, & more importantly, as the "Legend Killer." If anything, it hurt Orton more to lose to Taker at Mania, than it hurt Taker, had he of taken that loss. It would've put Orton exactly where he needs to be, for his "gimmick" to mean anything. Defeating Undertaker at Wrestlemania is the END ALL - BE ALL to killing any type of strong legend.
Defeating Taker at Summerslam isn't big, defeating Catus Jack in a hardcore match isn't huge.. they're solid, don't misread that, but they aren't exactly "defining." Not like beating Taker at Mania would --- will be.
Now, finally, I 100% agree that if anyone ends the streak, it should be Edge. Simply because Edge needs to come in & re-establish himself as a powerful Main Event player. Also, Edge is unofficially STILL undefeated himself.. & they could continue the streak, with him. (To everyone who complains about this - Edge did NOT LOSE the Money in the Bank match, he was never pinned & never gave up, hell, he didn't even finish the entire match, so how can anyone argue that he lost? NO, he didn't win, but that isn't a loss, its a no contest, or no finish, whatever)
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
I think you're discrediting Undertaker just a little bit. His streak isn't HIM persay. Its a singular part of several, bigger things, that make up his legend. Even in losing, it wouldn't hurt his legend, it'd just end with a note next to it, saying "not perfect." lol
If anything, I see Taker being inducted into the Hall of Fame for several reasons. 1.) His ability to hold a character for as long as he has, & make it still incredible to see. 2.) His wrestling ability, & history in the business. 3.) The Wrestlemania streak, broken or not, noone else has went that far unbeaten, & thats history alone.
As long as by "rookie" or "youngster" you aren't refering to Cody Rhodes, or D.H. Smith, then I'm fine with Taker dropping to an up-in-coming talent. lol
But yeah, if Taker does ever lose.. I doubt highly it'll be to a rookie, or upstart. Taker would cleanly drop to a rookie on a regular t.v. show, or probably any other p.p.v., but never at Wrestlemania, I wouldn't imagine anyways.
I think your love of Shawn Michaels is pushing you to believe he'd be capable of beating Taker on the Mania stage. Believe me, I feel, believe & KNOW he could defeat Taker & that Taker would likely even be for it.. but Michaels would have nothing to gain, just like Taker would have everything to lose.
Whomever is going to defeat Taker, will use that first defeat to sky-rocket themselves into a solid spot, forever. H.B.K. has had a great career, with tons of achivements that'll allow him into the Hall of Fame. Again, much to some people's dismay.. I highly believe it'll be Edge who ends Taker's streak, IF it ever ends. I think if Taker remains undefeated this up-coming Mania, he'll go one more year & be done.