Edge's Wrestlemania Streak: 5-0 or 5-1?

[Uncle Sam]

I disagree completely. Although I agree with the WWE altering it so it looks as if he still has his streak intact, I think that, technically speaking, he lost the Money In The Bank match.

OK, yes, he was taken out of the match early. And yes, there were seven other men in the match. And yes, he wasn't directly defeated by pin or submission, but he still lost. How did he lose? Well, it's difficult to explain and I think other people in this thread have already done it better than me but I'll try my best:

Erm, this is harder than I thought. OK, so Kennedy won, no one's disputing that. Supposedly that means everybody else that didn't win drew? Obviously not. That just defies logic. In that sort of situation, there's only winning and losing - reasonably speaking, there's no middle ground. Therefore, Edge is 5-1 at WrestleMania, although it may be interpreted differently if you stretch your imagination.

 

[Riddler Phoenix]

Although his streak is over in my eyes (which dissapoints me greatly), i do think that the WWE will say that he's undefeated. For example, Back at Survivor Series 2006, Umaga LOST. It doesn't matter that he was in an Elimination match. And it doesn't matter that he was disqualified. He still LOST. But WWE said that he never lost because he wasn't pinned or made to submit. So they continued to say he was undefeated until John Cena (of all people) pinned him. Same as CM Punk. He was the first man to be eliminated at December to Dismember. But they said he was undefeated until Hardcore Holly beat him. So they'll probably say the same thing here. However, Edge did lose the match, like it or not. I don't like it, but i admit it.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

He lost, there is more ways to lose a match than pinfall or submission. They will probably say he is still undeafeted so they can build up a match between him and Undertaker for the World Heavyweight Title.

 

[karazmatic]

i complety agree. if you dont win a match you have lossed it haven't you. even austin said when he faced brett hart at mania." techinaly i didn't loose but i still lost" and also whats the difference in a money in the bank than a handicap match. like if your teammate gets pinned that means you loose. i mean i bet wwe say something because techinally jeff hardy hasn't lost at mania either because he has been in a wwe money in the bank, tlc or tag team match. but they still say he is 0-3 don't they

 

[robwylde90]

Really I think it could go either way but personally I would go with him retaining his undefeated streak. Really the precedent i'm using is samoa joes undefeated streak where he did lose matches like ultimate X matches and triple threats but still remained undefeated or so it was said , because he was never pinned or made to submit , this is true for all of edges WM matches as well. and also when you think about it , kennedy always mentions all the world champions hes beaten but as far as im aware he never mentions edges name in that list , even though he technically beat him in the MITB match.

 

[Derf]

before last year, Edge was undisputidly undefeated at WM. Now, no matter how anyone looks at it, his record is, well, "tainted". True, the WWE can hipe him as undefeated, but i can also see someone claiming that he was defeated, and back and forth. But however anyone see's it, he's not exactly undefeated. He didn't win. Just cause you were not pinned, didn't mean you didn't lose, same as the other way around. remember Lashley in his first Survivor Series Match? He was actually undefeated before that match. he got pinned, but his team still won, so he remained "undefeated", even though some people argued it. Thats the same here. he didn't win, but he didn't lose. There is no way this will be settled until he cleanly loses a match. But if thats the case, correct me if I'm wrong, would that not mean the Hardys are undefeated? they never got pinned at WM. Same as the dudleys I think. Lots of people lost at mania, but were not pinned, so whats the deal with that? It's arguable, but however you look at it, Edge's streak is no longer bragworthy like it was the past few years.

 

[matdawg32]

I think he is still undefeated. Coz he was injured he was thrown out of the match. In a way he took part and became a no contest in himself. How can we say he lost if he wasn't able to actually fight and win? and besides Edge was taken out on a stretcher meaning that he did not choose to leave. If he had of chosen to leave i would have said yes

 

[J2Y970]

Guys it was on WWE.com the day after mainia. . . He was taken out of the match. . its like this. . . this analogie maybe stupid but bear with me. . you are running in a race to the finish will (lets say 2 other people). . .you fall and break your face on the ground. . . you get taken out of the race. . . the two other runners get to the finish line. . . would u be comfortable with them saying that you came in last place? Hell no. . you would pull the whole "I fell, I was taken out cuz i couldnt perform". . . . how the hell could somone beat you if you werent allowed to continue running??? It doesnt make sense does it

 

[karazmatic]

Guys it was on WWE.com the day after mainia. . . He was taken out of the match. . its like this. . . this analogie maybe stupid but bear with me. . you are running in a race to the finish will (lets say 2 other people). . .you fall and break your face on the ground. . . you get taken out of the race. . . the two other runners get to the finish line. . . would u be comfortable with them saying that you came in last place? Hell no. . you would pull the whole "I fell, I was taken out cuz i couldnt perform". . . . how the hell could somone beat you if you werent allowed to continue running??? It doesnt make sense does it

yea i no where you are coming from but...... if you didn't win you lost. yes i would of said i fell over and that but only if i was first by like 5 meters. if i was only just coming first ) or wasn't first at all) i wouldn't of said it. faCTS are facts if you didn't come first you didn't win!

 

[jeffatude]

yea i totally agree with karazmatic. lets see. for all the people that say edge is still 5-0 at mania, does that mean that the hardyz are still undefeated at mania considering thta jeff or matt has never been pinned or gave up. jeff also got taken out of the match at mania, does that mean he didn't loose. the same goes with dudleys they never got pinned or gave up, so does that mean there undefeated? heck no has karazmatic said if you didn't win you lost!!!

 

[darroncullen]

From this page at WWE.com

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/history/wrestlemania23/matches/391618421/results/
Dropping more than 20 feet down, the force of Jeff’s fall actually broke the ladder beneath Edge in half, practically destroying both men. Neither Jeff nor the Rated-R Superstar — who before this match had gone 5-0 at WrestleMania, and 3-0 in WrestleMania ladder-related matches — would be able to continue following the carnage; in fact, Edge would immediately be stretchered out by medics. His condition currently remains unknown.

Triple H and Bobby Lashley were defeated in an elimination tag team match and were therefore still undefeated in singles competition. I remember them advertising Undertaker as undefeated while Warrior was beating him in house shows up and down the country. At the end of the day Kennedy beat seven other men to win the match. One winner, seven losers. Same as Benoit beating HBK & HHH. Same as HHH beating Foley, Show and Rock. They all lost. The dudleys and hardys lost a triple threat ladder match and both teams got a loss in the column. Edge can count victories in ladder matches (tag or other) as part of his streak and therefore can count this loss in a ladder match too.