Triple H: an absolute pseudo-legend in pro wrestling?

[Creepy Old Man]

Okay, Bret took it too far, but I agreed with him when he said Triple H has never turned in anything great. I never found Triple H compelling, from his stiff, unathletic in-ring performances to his passive-aggressive, fourth-wall-breaking promos. Simply put, I've never been a fan.

There's also the slight problem that Trips has never been organically over. He wasn't over in WCW. He wasn't over in the WWF. He buddied up to the Kliq, which enabled him to start DX with Shawn. He rode Shawn's coatttails until HBK had to retire, then he rode the New Age Outlaws', who were the far more over act (so was Chyna, to be honest). Trips then weaselled his way into Stephanie (a cold, calculated move, rather than "love", IMO as Trips was involved in the pitching of the relationship angle) and was allied with her on screen. He was then battered down our throats so hard it became more than a tad nauseating.

I refuse to believe that by the time he became involved with Stephanie, he didn't have serious creative sway (he was heavily involved in the Montreal Screwjob all the way back in 1997). Trips was allied with Austin. Then Flair. Then Michaels again. Then Stephanie again. He was never organically over, but associations with key people, 13 world titles, and relentless WWE hyperbole (Ric Flair and Jim Ross even went so far as to call him the GOAT on occasion) made casual fans perceive him as a legend. In 2015, he sits second to Vince. Great, callous, manipulative work from a man who was decidedly OK at his job. Everyone plays politics, sure, but Trips' career was built solely on it, IMO. Again, stressing: IMO. No need to get aggressive because my entirely subjective opinion doesn't tally with your entirely subjective opinion.

So, is Triple H a genuine legend in your eyes, or not?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I don't see how an unbiased person can argue otherwise.


13 time world champ


THE main storyline and champion during WWE's most prosperous year ever (up until then)

One of the main players of the AE

Groundbreaker in the AE itself

leader of two of the most prolific factions in WWE history

High profile if not outright main event matches on ten wrestlemanias.

To say he calculated going after Steph as a carreer move is laughable haterade drunkeneness at best. Going after Vince's daughter had about a 95% chance of utter carreer destruction. It was ridiculously stupid, to the point were being idiotic-level in love with someone could push you to pursue it.

 

[Creepy Old Man]

Interesting that you had to throw in self-booked titles and factions (again, association) to make your point. He broke ground riding Michaels's coattails. Since you've implied that I'm a hater, I'll flip things and suggest that you're one of the many who've been successfully manipulated into believing that this glaring pseudo-legend is actually a legend.

 

[Wald]

What did Cornette say about him again? He's the guy who works with the top guy or something like that and that's fine because it's a very good spot.

That's how I feel about Triple H. He's a fantastic heel and is a genuine main eventer but for a while there he seemed determined to make people believe that he was/is on the same level as the likes of Hogan, Rock and Austin and he just never was. He was the guy who worked with a Hogan, Rock or Austin and that's okay, it is a very good spot and you do have to be immensely talented to be that guy.

I saw an interview with Jericho years ago where he said he viewed the top guys of the modern era as belonging in four separate categories.

Category A was Hogan, Rock and Austin. Those three just stand out from everyone else because of who they are and what they've done. I don't think that can be argued?

Category B was the best of the rest and it was a pretty short list too. Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Randy Savage and Sting are who I remember him saying. Guys who held their companies on their backs for a sustained period of time and who were great in the ring.

Category C was the list of world champions who were great in the ring and did loads of business but who were never the main man. If I remember right he had himself, Undertaker, Edge, Triple H, Ultimate Warrior, Mick Foley, Eddie Guerrero, DDP and Goldberg. Probably missing one or two from there but you get the idea.

Category D were guys like Kane, Lex Luger, Big Show, Scott Steiner, Booker and people like that. Upper midcard guys who got in to the main event picture every now and then.

I'd go along with that to be honest, though I'd probably knock Jericho and DDP down category four, but the reasoning behind it is sound.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

The flaw with that 4 category argument is that you can't compare guys from different eras that way... it's harsh to lower Jericho on his "performance" because when he had titles it was 2 different eras completely with different expectations. His reign in 2008 and feud with Shawn was absolutely carrying the company, it was given to him because he was so hot with the fans at that time... does 2001 detract? Not really, it was a transitional, post buyout phase, he was a WCW Talent holding the belt at a time when WCW was being incorporated... he wasn't there to "carry the company" in the same way. The cynical view would be he was there to show the WCW talent they could be pushed if they adapted quickly as he did.

Trips is an interesting case and I can agree with the Pseudo-Legend tag to a point, he has never really had that one "killer" feud that put him over the top and the closest he got to Rock/Hogan level was that reign in 2002, that ended with a loss to Hogan quickly... if he was THAT important, it wouldn't have happened that way.

But where he does earn points is that he has always pushed the envelope of what Vince is prepared to accept. Be it the MSG curtain call and taking his punishment, to DX to marrying the bosses daughter in spite of Vince, to now being the guy pushing for Wrestling in a company dominated by Vince's antiquated Sports Entertainment concept. He's a guy who has always had his finger on the pulse and been a step and a half ahead of the curve since signing that one year deal instead of a two with WCW.

In history, if you stick strictly to the above, then he is ironically a B+ player... cos so many guys not included in the list are there... Dusty, Harley, Superstar, Backlund he IS that level, so if the others are, so is he... Flair is an A by the way...

 

[Jack-Hammer]

In my opinion, the only way Triple H couldn't be thought of as a legend is because they're biased against the guy. To me, he absurdity level of this ranks pretty close to the idea that John Cena can't wrestle. Just like that absurd argument, nigh innumerable holes can be poked into this one with sheer common sense. I know some people dislike the guy personally, for whatever reason, and some just aren't fans of the guy as a wrestler, but that doesn't relegate him to non-legendary status in the grand scheme of things.

For years, there's been this conspiracy theory, one that's been debunked time & time again by simple application of logic & common sense, that Triple H has only been as successful as he's become because of his relationship with Stephanie McMahon. Despite the numerous holes poked into said theory, some continue to desperately cling to it. Triple H was a politician backstage but being a backstage politician and getting undeserved pushes don't just automatically go hand in hand. Even if he was given opportunities due to nepotism, it would be producing results and helping to generate a lot of revenue that would ultimately keep him there. Connections can only take you so far; being well connected can get your foot in the door, but then you have to be able to produce and that requires talent. If Trips didn't have it, he'd have flopped.

 

[OYDK]

No, come on man... as others said, the only way that somebody can consider HHH a pseudo-legend is if they're biased. And there's nothing I hate more than a fan who bases there professional opinion off of their personal feelings. HHH is a 13 TIME WORLD CHAMPION. 13 TIMES. 3rd most ALL TIME. I could stop talking and prove my argument with those 3 sentences but now you've got me heated so buckle up.

Okay, Bret took it too far, but I agreed with him when he said Triple H has never turned in anything great. I never found Triple H compelling, from his stiff, unathletic in-ring performances to his passive-aggressive, fourth-wall-breaking promos. Simply put, I've never been a fan.

It's fine if you never found HHH compelling... quite honestly, I never found new era Shawn Michaels that compelling... but for me to say that he's not a real legend would be almost blasphemous. That's what you're doing here. You're taking your obvious personal disdain towards HHH, and trying to convince yourself (and others) that he really sucked, which is ridiculous.

As for in-ring ability and promo skills.... there were VERY few who could cut as good a promo and wrestle as good a match as HHH at his hottest. Only guys like Austin, Rock, Savage, Angle, Michaels, and the like fit into that category... All class A legends if you haven't noticed. Again, you can convince yourself that HHH was "unathletic and stiff" and all that, but you're fooling yourself... HHH can still go in the ring today which can't be said for a lot of others his age.

There's also the slight problem that Trips has never been organically over. He wasn't over in WCW. He wasn't over in the WWF. He buddied up to the Kliq, which enabled him to start DX with Shawn. He rode Shawn's coatttails until HBK had to retire, then he rode the New Age Outlaws', who were the far more over act (so was Chyna, to be honest). Trips then weaselled his way into Stephanie (a cold, calculated move, rather than "love", IMO as Trips was involved in the pitching of the relationship angle) and was allied with her on screen. He was then battered down our throats so hard it became more than a tad nauseating.

So many inaccuracies here. First of all, it was Nash, Hall, Michaels, and Waltman who "recruited" HHH after learning he didn't drink and do drugs (desginated driver YAY). They took him in, not the other way around. I can actually understand your coat tails argument in regards to Shawn. I don't agree with it but I can accept it... but than you go into delusional territory again and state he piggybacked off the NAO. Now there's not a bigger NAO mark out there than me, but HHH was the only guy in that group who was truly over. NAO were over as a team no doubt, and X-Pac is X-Pac, but it was obvious who the standout was and who was carrying the load. Y'know cus he was the guy cutting all the promos and being featured in all the big programs and getting the louder cheers...

I've heard the Steph argument from so many HHH detractors it's starting to make me sick. Hey bud, would YOU marry a woman and have 3 kids with her just to move up in life... So why the fuck would a normal guy like HHH do that? Give me a break... if you actually believe this crap I feel bad for your deluded mind.

No need to get aggressive because my entirely subjective opinion doesn't tally with your entirely subjective opinion.

Don't write a bunch of BS and than not expect some backlash from passionate fans. I do look forward to your rebuttal though.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

So, is Triple H a genuine legend in your eyes, or not?

Yes and no

You can argue that he was never top player like Hogan, Austin or Rock or even Cena now. You can also argue that he politicked his way much. But you cant argue that he was good(because he was and is) and that he would probably be big without all of that. So:

One of the greatest of all time like he and WWE maybe look at him: Meh
Guy who is little behind that: Yes

 

[ilapierre]

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[ilapierre]

JackHammer: The 'theory' of Triple H being a mediocre wrestler has absolutely not been debunked by fanboys like yourself. As the OP stated, just because 'you' believe Triple H is amazing that in itself does not make it so. And just because you 'believe' the relationship to Stephanie in his career ascension has been debunked DOES NOT mean it has been. You carry yourself around here like you are the 'all knowing voice of reason' when you're most likely just a WWETriple H PR guy. Every single one of your posts I read has a Triple H promotion in it. I find it really annoying as I've always seen him as a tier 3 guy. WWE tries so hard to make Triple H bigger than anyone in history. He seriously has had more exposure than anyone ever and it's unwarranted. Just Monday night Triple H was front and center for the first full hour of the show. Yawwwn. Then Hollywood Helmsley was back later in a segment that had less to do with pushing Sting and more to do with building Trips heel legacy. It's sick. Triple H flat out sucks. He cannot push himself and book himself without it being called out! He's always been the vanilla guy to hang with the colourful and charismatic. Shawn Nash Hall Steph Flair..they were the draws. They were the true heels people paid to see. The dream match right now is Taker vs Sting. It has to happen now if at all. Instead we get the overrated, third tier heel vs Sting. In a feud all about solidifying Triple H's legacy. It's all about manipulating perception. Making that wife beating liar as big as Harley Race or Superstar Graham. Please. Remember how he attached himself to Brock after his UFC run. Immortal Trips is last man to pin the Beast. For what reason? Cronyism. Nepotism. Whatever it is you want to call it, it had EVERYTHING to do with Levesque's political maneuvering. EVERYTHING. Debunk that. What other reason to devalue the former ultimate fighting champ and BEAST who would go on to do the unthinkable: End Takers WM streak. But f'n Tripls had just beat him! Oh and don't get me started on Punk and why he left. Remember Punk's year long title run? Trips got a clean pin, for absolutely no apparent reason, just before the run. Just to remind everyone during the reign who was still better than Punk. The same old man who beat the former UFC champ. That pointless 'pin' almost detailed Punk's run. How many world titles too many did Trips win again?? 15 LOL For what reason??? LOL No reason!! Trips as immortal and Trips as 15 time champ is outrageous. It would NEVER have happened if WWE had any real competition over the past 15 years. Undebunkable Jack Hammer..Not a conspiracy theory. Never has been. And never will be.

 

[King Patrick Star]

In my own list, Triple H is a Top 10 favorite SuperStar of mine. On my list, he’s somewhere between 7 and 10. Politics did play a huge part in it, and that may be why I’m such a fan. Hard work and dedication is great, but add a great political game and you have the total package. He is the King of Kings and in a few years, he will be the King of the WWE. He transitioned very well from jobber to mid-carder to main eventer to authority figure. He was a major player and is now a major coach. He should change his nickname from “The Game” to “The Business”, cause he always does what’s best for business. I’d consider myself a Paul Levesque guy. ShopWWE needs to make those shirts!!

 

[Mustang Sally]

Triple H is a genuine legend, mostly for the body of work he's put in over the years. He's wrestled, wrestled, and wrestled some more. He's put people over even while compiling his own career benchmarks. He's fought in so many important matches that I defy anyone to try and list them.

It's easy to let these factors slip by when talking about his association with Stephanie, his closeness to top management and other things that distract from what he's done in the ring. But I prefer to think of him on Raw wrestling five matches in one night because of an edict tossed out by Vince McMahon. This was at a time he was already "in" with his future father-in-law and didn't have to work as hard as he did.

But, working hard is what he always did, and when the company needs him to, he still occasionally does. Could he script himself to win every one of those matches? Sure he could, he's got the corporate power......but he loses as much as he wins, no?

As a wrestler, he's a certified legend by length of service and willingness to legitimately do what's best for business. So many of my most memorable moments in pro wrestling involved him.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Interesting that you had to throw in self-booked titles and factions (again, association) to make your point. He broke ground riding Michaels's coattails. Since you've implied that I'm a hater, I'll flip things and suggest that you're one of the many who've been successfully manipulated into believing that this glaring pseudo-legend is actually a legend.

Did he book himself to be one of the highest drawing champions of all time? To have ten plus absolute stone cold classic matches?

Riding Micheals coattails? They were 100% co-dependant, anyone involved in the business at the time, associated with WWE currently or not, as outright said that. Please.

 

[Blade]

He was one of the best all-rounders we've ever seen, and he has practically untouchable credentials. People like to bitch and complain that he slept his way to the top, which is moronic, as he was already a top guy by the time he hooked up with Steph, and Vince was far more likely to punish him for banging his daughter than rewarding him. Or he's somehow not a legend because he played third fiddle to Austin and the Rock, even though anyone not named Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair would've ended playing third fiddle to Austin and Rock if they were put in that era.

The fact is, he's a great wrestler, has done everything there is to do, and he continues to cement his legacy as one of the best minds in the business by booking NXT to perfection. My only complaint about Triple H is that he stuck around a touch too long for my tastes, with almost ten years between his first and his last title runs.

 

[Pérez84]

Today, with the word "legend" used to define people like Hacksaw Jim Duggan, it's impossible to not consider Triple H as a true legend. Yes, he is. Also he is one of the most recognized figures in pro wrestling since the 90s.

Is Trips one of the greatest legends of all time? No, absolutely not.

 

[LBGetBack]

Nope. HHH in 2000-01 was legitimately great. Now granted, he got SO MANY opportunities and an incredible push. Most guys don't get chances like that. But he took advantage. He was a great heel and a great wrestler.

He had many great matches between 2002-2005 as well. I really haven't cared much about him as a wrestler from 2006-on. But 2000-05, he was the real deal.

 

[FightOwensFight]

To all the nuts saying no, it is really very simple. People like myself, NorCal, JH, Sally, and others (even though they in no way need me arguing for them) go with what is in front of us, not insane conspiracy theories. We look at his body of work (13 time Champ) as proof. You say that he married Steph, has stayed with her for years, has a number of adorable little children, all to get him his spot. If I am not mistaken, HHH was set to win the KOTR the year Austin went all Austin 3:16, but it was yanked because of the MSG Kliq stuff. This was well before he was with Steph. How do you explain that? He was clearly very highly thought of, which is again backed up by the fact they didn't just kick him to the curb after the "incident".

You are obviously free to think what you want (and by your little disclaimer about not attacking your subjective opinion you knew full well it was going to get the reaction it has) but the issue many have with that line of thinking is you base it, almost solely, off a pretty crazy, completely unfounded theory.

 

[tommo1898]

I'm not going to claim his relationship never helped him at all, but the guy is a legit legend no doubt about it. He wouldn't have had all those title reigns if he wasn't over. He was loved as a face and despised as a heel and has been involved in some of my most memorable storylines and matches during the attitude era. The acid test is fan reaction, you could in theory play politics to get to the top, but you can't make the fans care about you. The company did good business when triple h held the belt and he has always gotten a strong reaction from the crowd and has done this over a long period of time. It's a matter of personal preference whether or not you like the guy but it comes across as pretty biased to say he's not a legend as you only have to look at the career he had to see he is

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

Triple H is not just a legend, he's one of the best wrestling has ever seen. First, let's check the facts:

1) 13-time World Champion
2) part of two of the best stables the bussiness has ever seen, D-X and Evolution.
3) major player during the attitude era
4) carried the company from 2002-2005
5) 2000's best heel
6) voted as the best wrestler of the decade
7) main-evented 3 Wrestlemanias in a row. The only people who have done this are Hogan & Cena
8) has main-evented/co-main-evented a total of 11 Wrestlemanias (16-22, 24,25,27-29), second-best behind Hogan in numbers
9) gave back to the bussiness by putting over stars like Cena, Batista, Orton and Daniel Bryan

Yes, he was part of the Kliq. But let's not forget that he took all the punsishment by himself back in 1996 after the MSG incident, which also cost him that year's King of the Ring (Austin won and the Austin 3:16 was born). Yes, it's being said that he (is still maybe) a major backstage politics master, but so was Austin, HBK and Hogan. Almost every guy that wants to stay on top is. Triple H was also a major player before he married Steph.

Triple H, might not be a ring-technician or a high-flying menace or a mat-to-mat wrestler, but the guy knows how to tell a story inside and outside the ring, knows how to wrestle, knows how to talk, knows how to sell. He's that damn good. Watch his matches against HBK, watches his matches against Taker and Austin, watch his matches against The Rock and Lesnar. Damn good matches.

However, outside the ring, he might come off as a complete hypocrite only caring about his big nose, but as long as he delivers inside the ring, I couldn't care less about backstage politics. So, yeah, he's a legend.

 

[DCLXVI]

I would say Trips is cemented as a legendary wrestler. He's "The Game". Of course he politicked. But the truth is he's a good overall wrestler, can brawl, sell, has delivered the goods on multiple occasions and is now spearheading NXT which is one of the best wrestling companies in the world already... all the old timers say Triple H didn't party and kept his eyes on the prize. I think getting with Steph could have potentially ruined him, but it probably did help him... if he didn't have the skills to pay the bills he would not have been able to capitalize on that.

 

[capnwillie]

Calling Triple H a pseudo-legend is dumb. Did he play the political games? Sure he did. Pretty much every single successful wrestler in history has used politics to their benefit. The list is tremendously long: Hogan, Flair, Rhodes, Race, Austin, Rocky, HBK, Nash. Even Bruno and Lou Thesz were known to throw their weight and their names around. It's not because they were necessarily assholes and didn't want anyone to succeed, it had a lot more to do with protecting their reputations/legacies/characters. It makes sense, especially when you're anywhere near the top spot.

Did he marry into the company? Obviously. So what. I'm not going to judge anyone based on their relationship choices. Total non-issue if you ask me. He and Steph seem to have a solid relationship, anyway. Good for them.

Mediocre wrestler is a matter of opinion and perception. I'll admit he's not a technical wonder by any means, but he's always been mostly a no-nonsense brawler and I don't care what anyone says, in terms of ring psychology the man is a genius. He understands build-up, structure and pay-off, whether it's a one-off match or a best of seven series. Bret Hart might give him a 4/10 but then again, Bret can be a real bitch sometimes. Nobody should take everything he says as gospel. We're talking about a guy who actually thought he could leave the company without dropping the title FFS, which is a total dick move. You could be God, but if you're leaving a wrestling company, you'd better believe they'll have you drop their title to Satan.

13-time world champ. In terms of storyline and characterizaton, that's bonafide legendary. Surrounding circumstances do not matter. List off some of the names he was involved in championship feuds with and there are plenty of names that only help to cement that legend status. Austin, Rocky, Taker, Foley, Angle... just to name a few.

I think a lot of people have a hard time comprehending reality. He was a fantastic heel and so a lot of people probably just have some residual hate for the guy because -HEY- he was great at making people hate him. He's always been especially good at playing marks like a fiddle and blurring the lines between Triple H the character and Paul Levesque the person. Yet another reason calling him a pseudo-legend is nothing short of clownshoesery.

I could continue but it's pretty pointless. Go on hating him and accusing him of "burying" other talent (when he actually put a LOT of guys over who deserved it... WHEN they deserved it.) He's a great fall guy, and I'm sure he's making giving a shit about anyone's opinion a priority over being on-screen figurehead to the biggest promotion in the world and heading up awesome NXT programs, etc etc...

 

[blindman]

If you don't think Triple H a true legend you would have to make cases for why people like Rock, Stone cold, HBK, etc... aren't legends.

good luck with that cause like it or not Triple H done everything you can do and out lasted hundreds of people.

 

[ColeMc]

He's not Flair, Hogan or SC but who is? Cena maybe, but he'll have to finish his career first to encapsulate his impact on the wrestling world. If you have to be as legendary as those guys to be considered a legend then the Hall of Fame would be very empty right now.

Triple H has had some great matches, a career that's spanned 3 decades, part of two of the best stables in the entirety of wrestling and titles galore. Also main evented WM is it four times now? He has moved on now and reinvented his role like he has done many times rather than trying to push himself as the main event until even he could see how ridiculous it was. Okay, he has too much screen time these days as the COO but he can still carry a mic with the best of them.

He's a legend, guarenteed HoF and will be the best inductee of that year by a clear margin.

 

[Aquaman6686]

He's not Flair, Hogan or SC but who is? Cena maybe, but he'll have to finish his career first to encapsulate his impact on the wrestling world. If you have to be as legendary as those guys to be considered a legend then the Hall of Fame would be very empty right now.

Triple H has had some great matches, a career that's spanned 3 decades, part of two of the best stables in the entirety of wrestling and titles galore. Also main evented WM is it four times now? He has moved on now and reinvented his role like he has done many times rather than trying to push himself as the main event until even he could see how ridiculous it was. Okay, he has too much screen time these days as the COO but he can still carry a mic with the best of them.

He's a legend, guarenteed HoF and will be the best inductee of that year by a clear margin.

Triple H has main evented 13 WrestleManias and headlined 6 of them.

As to the topic, Triple H is a legend. Period. No argument can be made against him, at least none made of fact and logic. He's one of the best of all time and has put on some of the greatest matches in wrestling history. I'd say he's easily in the Top 10 of all time, and it should be noted that Triple H was the only guy to be "THE" man in WWE and be a heel at the time.

 

[FarFromFine]

JackHammer: The 'theory' of Triple H being a mediocre wrestler has absolutely not been debunked by fanboys like yourself. As the OP stated, just because 'you' believe Triple H is amazing that in itself does not make it so. And just because you 'believe' the relationship to Stephanie in his career ascension has been debunked DOES NOT mean it has been. You carry yourself around here like you are the 'all knowing voice of reason' when you're most likely just a WWETriple H PR guy. Every single one of your posts I read has a Triple H promotion in it. I find it really annoying as I've always seen him as a tier 3 guy. WWE tries so hard to make Triple H bigger than anyone in history. He seriously has had more exposure than anyone ever and it's unwarranted. Just Monday night Triple H was front and center for the first full hour of the show. Yawwwn. Then Hollywood Helmsley was back later in a segment that had less to do with pushing Sting and more to do with building Trips heel legacy. It's sick. Triple H flat out sucks. He cannot push himself and book himself without it being called out! He's always been the vanilla guy to hang with the colourful and charismatic. Shawn Nash Hall Steph Flair..they were the draws. They were the true heels people paid to see. The dream match right now is Taker vs Sting. It has to happen now if at all. Instead we get the overrated, third tier heel vs Sting. In a feud all about solidifying Triple H's legacy. It's all about manipulating perception. Making that wife beating liar as big as Harley Race or Superstar Graham. Please. Remember how he attached himself to Brock after his UFC run. Immortal Trips is last man to pin the Beast. For what reason? Cronyism. Nepotism. Whatever it is you want to call it, it had EVERYTHING to do with Levesque's political maneuvering. EVERYTHING. Debunk that. What other reason to devalue the former ultimate fighting champ and BEAST who would go on to do the unthinkable: End Takers WM streak. But f'n Tripls had just beat him! Oh and don't get me started on Punk and why he left. Remember Punk's year long title run? Trips got a clean pin, for absolutely no apparent reason, just before the run. Just to remind everyone during the reign who was still better than Punk. The same old man who beat the former UFC champ. That pointless 'pin' almost detailed Punk's run. How many world titles too many did Trips win again?? 15 LOL For what reason??? LOL No reason!! Trips as immortal and Trips as 15 time champ is outrageous. It would NEVER have happened if WWE had any real competition over the past 15 years. Undebunkable Jack Hammer..Not a conspiracy theory. Never has been. And never will be.

How is this post not getting any love?

HHH as a character has been like Cena for me. I've enjoyed programs of his, but only because of his opponent. HHH promo's would be channel changers if he wasn't always in the most important segments (because he puts himself there now and because his wife would get him put there in the past).

I would love to see how anyone can justify the clean wins over Lesnar and Punk as being anything more than Trips wanting to put himself over, even though he was only a part timer himself and a "legend" already so in no need of the rub.