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im glad cena lost the title. i dont care if it was hornswoggle who beat him. wwe needs to SWITCH....THINGS....UP! this is the opening the up n coming talent needed. i can only hope cena doesnt win the title back at the next ppv. if sheamus beats cena in a return match than thatll leave a HUGE opening for a new star to step up and main event with sheamus. this is a new day. lets embrace it dammit!
 
While there is probably an outcry of tears from the children and cheers from the adolescent males and adults, I think that Sheamus's title win last night is a breath of fresh air for the WWE. It brings back some more unpredictability and really sets the pace for the newer influx of superstars. Now, the audience will portray future world title matches with new contenders as being a match that can always go etiher way.

I was really hoping this outcome to become a reality last night. As a matter of fact, something inside of me never really dismissed Sheamus's win as a possibility. However, I must admit that I was a little shocked last night. Vince hasn't been known to take many gambles as of late, but I think it one could pay off. Sheamus has the look of a champion, and even if his reign is short-term, it should make a nice mark for his future. Hell, look at CM Punk's first reign. It was short and a tad disappointing but it really set the tone for the CM Punk that we see on television today.

Congrats to Sheamus. This is a good thing for the WWE, especially for its future.
 
i think its dumb to give it to him already! he hasn't done shit in the company and he's wwe champ already? come on!

i see things already happening orton gonna come out and say "he wants the title bc cena no longer champ blah blah". then cena is gonna want his rematch...blah blah... if any new talent should of won it should of been jomo but hopefully him losing the IC title, the wwe will start to build him up for mania maybe at a world title shot!

sheamus as champ will go no longer then EC bc if the wwe wants a draw for mania it wont happen with sheamus going in there as there wwe champion.
 
If they had given him time to prove himself, it would have been the same kind of push that they always build for guys, and it would play into that eternal "WWE never changes, too predictable" argument. This was the alternative, just push him there.

love that they went the other way. like it or not but they need to do something different because for the first time in years, they will have real competition. Not that TNA poses a huge threat, but it signals possible change in the industry and as we saw last time, that led to WWF and the Attitude Era.

What will shemus bring? could be more of the same, but at least I am hopefull that for a small sliver of time there could be some creativity and difference in WWE
 
Good for Sheamus and McIntire. Here's the problem...both their reigns won't last long because Cena and Morrison are bigger draws as title holders. Look for Cena and Morrison to exercise rematch clauses soon and regain their titles. Sheamus and McIntire are good, but it's too soon to put titles on them. Let's give them another year or so and then do it.
 
What happened was a denigration for the WWE Title. How many years does it take to become WWE Champ? Just ask Cena, Jeff Hardy, JBL... The "CelticWarrior" hasn't even proved anything. This makes titles like the IC worthless, because now it seems that any newcomer can become Heavyweight Champ in 2 months since their debut...

I know that RAW has not seen so many new faces around... but I would have standed for The Miz feuding with Cena for the WWE Championship... but Sheamus?? Come on...
 
I watched TLC over here on sky box office and have to say im suprised that sheamus won and now i can see 2 possible scenario's on whats gonna happen in regards to sheamus' title run.

1. He will lose it tonight on raw a-la-kane-98.

2. Cena will turn heel and win it back either at the Royal Rumble or at RAW event before then but like most wwe storylines they would save a massive heel turn for a ppv.

I didn't like the undertaker vs Batista match restarting the way it did, why not just have mean mark just win clean to begin with rather than restarting the match then winning.
 
We've put the strap on Sheamus for change's sake. Why does everyone think "change" is necessarily good? Change is only good if it makes sense and improves your situation. If my life sucks, and I die, that's change. Am I better off? No, I'm dead.

This is the bottom-line when it comes to Sheamus' push: he has gotten ZERO fan reaction during this it. He has no heat; he is not over. It will be interesting to see if that changes on RAW tonight. My guess is it won't.

We pushed Steph's boy Rob Conway to ZERO fan reaction. We pushed Vince's monster Snitsky to ZERO fan reaction. We are now pushing HHH's little buddy to the moon with ZERO fan reaction. It's insulting to me that the McMahons keep saying, "We know better than you what you want." Doesn't exactly make me want to buy their product, you know? I guess it's not their fault that ratings and buyrates are down, huh? It's us "dumb" fans.

So where do we go from here? Sheamus retains because you want your champion on the January 4th head-to-head? Let's see, Sheamus or Hogan? Boy, that's a tough and compelling choice for viewers! Or, we can't have that, so we make him a "Kane" champion and put the belt back on Cena tonight? Then, it's not change, it's more of the same. And who besides Cena facing Sheamus would generate ratings on Jan. 4th? Cena won't be there. MVP? Kofi? No time for a build up; why would fans care? Because the McMahons tell them to? Insulting...

It's just a damn shame the MNF match-up doesn't interest me tonight. Maybe I'll read a book and save the electricity it costs to power my tv...I just don't care about Sheamus, Cena, Dx, JeriShow and the whole lot of them.
 
Good for Sheamus and McIntire. Here's the problem...both their reigns won't last long because Cena and Morrison are bigger draws as title holders. Look for Cena and Morrison to exercise rematch clauses soon and regain their titles. Sheamus and McIntire are good, but it's too soon to put titles on them. Let's give them another year or so and then do it.

The problem is, WWE doesn't have a year to build up new guys for the main-event scene. Edge may be out for a good while, and if he reinjures it could be career ending. Batista and Taker are going to need to retire soon, as neither are healthy enough to make long term champions. HBK can't hold the title because of his health, he wouldn't be able to work the schedule. HHH could be around for a good few more years so long as he doesn't have another big injury. Big Show isn't a good choice for champion, he's solid on the mic, but he just doesn't have the gas to be world champion. Fact is, WWE needs to push new stars now, or end up with no credible main eventers down the road. Sheamus and McIntyre are solid in the ring, and have mic skills better than Morrison, Batista, and Swagger, so they were logical pushes. Sheamus was the only one that really looked like he could actually put Cena down in my opinion.
 
We've put the strap on Sheamus for change's sake. Why does everyone think "change" is necessarily good? Change is only good if it makes sense and improves your situation. If my life sucks, and I die, that's change. Am I better off? No, I'm dead.

This is the bottom-line when it comes to Sheamus' push: he has gotten ZERO fan reaction during this it. He has no heat; he is not over. It will be interesting to see if that changes on RAW tonight. My guess is it won't.

We pushed Steph's boy Rob Conway to ZERO fan reaction. We pushed Vince's monster Snitsky to ZERO fan reaction. We are now pushing HHH's little buddy to the moon with ZERO fan reaction. It's insulting to me that the McMahons keep saying, "We know better than you what you want." Doesn't exactly make me want to buy their product, you know? I guess it's not their fault that ratings and buyrates are down, huh? It's us "dumb" fans.

So where do we go from here? Sheamus retains because you want your champion on the January 4th head-to-head? Let's see, Sheamus or Hogan? Boy, that's a tough and compelling choice for viewers! Or, we can't have that, so we make him a "Kane" champion and put the belt back on Cena tonight? Then, it's not change, it's more of the same. And who besides Cena facing Sheamus would generate ratings on Jan. 4th? Cena won't be there. MVP? Kofi? No time for a build up; why would fans care? Because the McMahons tell them to? Insulting...

It's just a damn shame the MNF match-up doesn't interest me tonight. Maybe I'll read a book and save the electricity it costs to power my tv...I just don't care about Sheamus, Cena, Dx, JeriShow and the whole lot of them.

I don't think Cena is going to be there on the 4th so it doesn't make a difference whether he is the champion or Sheamus is. It's basically going to hinge on who is the guest host. Sheamus winning was something new and different and it's not like he's going to have a Cena title reign.
 
is it just me, or did it look like Sheamus was supposed to go through the table set up outside of the ring?? I mean, the shock of the announcers, cena, and Sheamus...PLUS they were trying to cover up with it looked like Cena pushed himself on the table....if you are able to watch a reply of the match, notice how the table is set up right where Sheamus fell from the top rope to the ground, I believe they were suppose to fall through the tables at the same time, causing a draw, Cena keeps title, and Sheamus is still undefeated since his debut on Raw....thus causing Sheamus to go to the Royal Rumble...win it, and face Cena at Mania, defeating him and becoming new WWE Champion at Mania....ultimately that would boost him more as a superstar then this victory has....i know the end here was just a thought, but it actually would make a good storyline if i do say so myself...tell me what you guys think...
 
We've put the strap on Sheamus for change's sake. Why does everyone think "change" is necessarily good? Change is only good if it makes sense and improves your situation. If my life sucks, and I die, that's change. Am I better off? No, I'm dead.

This is the bottom-line when it comes to Sheamus' push: he has gotten ZERO fan reaction during this it. He has no heat; he is not over. It will be interesting to see if that changes on RAW tonight. My guess is it won't.

We pushed Steph's boy Rob Conway to ZERO fan reaction. We pushed Vince's monster Snitsky to ZERO fan reaction. We are now pushing HHH's little buddy to the moon with ZERO fan reaction. It's insulting to me that the McMahons keep saying, "We know better than you what you want." Doesn't exactly make me want to buy their product, you know? I guess it's not their fault that ratings and buyrates are down, huh? It's us "dumb" fans.

So where do we go from here? Sheamus retains because you want your champion on the January 4th head-to-head? Let's see, Sheamus or Hogan? Boy, that's a tough and compelling choice for viewers! Or, we can't have that, so we make him a "Kane" champion and put the belt back on Cena tonight? Then, it's not change, it's more of the same. And who besides Cena facing Sheamus would generate ratings on Jan. 4th? Cena won't be there. MVP? Kofi? No time for a build up; why would fans care? Because the McMahons tell them to? Insulting...

It's just a damn shame the MNF match-up doesn't interest me tonight. Maybe I'll read a book and save the electricity it costs to power my tv...I just don't care about Sheamus, Cena, Dx, JeriShow and the whole lot of them.

1. He is garnering heat, he got a pretty good amount last night.
2. He has the backing of an entire country, The Irish are pretty hard behind this guy, and the fact he is the first Irish Champ is a huge deal.
3. WWE Buyrates are down because they are feeding the same fueds and matches over and over again. If anything, people will tune in to see Sheamus lose the title, or what Cena will do. And it's not so much Sheamus or Hogan, it's WWE or TNA, Raw which pulls consistant 3-4 cable ratings, or Impact, which pulls ratings similar to ECW and Superstars. Choices Choices.
4. Honestly, if you don't like it turn it off.
 
Well, shock doesn't really cover this. Although thinking about it, this is a good thing. Cena and Sheamus will now be working a program together, much more than they would have if Cena had beaten him. Cena will desperately want the belt back, and that'll mean the matches will be better. There'll be that element of wanting something back - Cena didn't want to lose the title. And Sheamus won't want to now that he's tasted Championship gold. This has also set up Cena's Rumble win - he can hardly be involved and fight himself can he? Whether Sheamus will still be the champion then remains to be seen. I'm quite excited to see what happens with him now. He's got the biggest chance he could have asked for, and I really hope he proves his doubters wrong.
 
First off congratulatons go out to Sheamus for capturing his first championship in the WWE. Now onto my thoughts, this is a very interesting spin that the creative team has placed on the WWE championship picture. With sheamus as the WWE Champ now, that means Randy Orton can once again challenge for the title. With his win last night at TLC I forsee a 3 Way or 4 Way dance for the title between Sheamus, Cena Orton and maybe Kofi. Only time will tell and I'll be interested to see where this goes from here.
 
2 Things come to my mind.

First, didn't Cena say he'd use his rematch clause immediately if he lost? What happened to that?

Secondly, i think that this was the best time to try someone new as the champion. Effectively the PPV year is over for WWE, and doesn't start again until the end of next month. 8 weeks from now is the Royal Rumble. Wrestling fans will tune into the Rumble to see who's going to Mania, even if the only other match on the card is Hornswoggle v Vickie G in a 2 hour Iron Man Submission match. So they've got 8 weeks to test Sheamus as the champion, and if Raw starts to bomb, they'll have plenty of time to take the belt off of him and still be able to build a half decent fued BEFORE the fisrt PPV of 2010. On average, the writers have 3 weeks to build a title fued for a PPV. Right now they have 2 1/2 times that amount of time to work with, so i personally feel that this was the best time to vigorously shake up Raw's ME scene. I probably wouldn't have gone with Sheamus, but i've liked his mic work and enjoyed his match last night, so i'm personally willing to give him a chance.

mrc050562 said:
We are now pushing HHH's little buddy to the moon with ZERO fan reaction.

Were you watching the match with the mute on? I'm pretty sure there was plenty of booing directed at Sheamus, and even a 'Let's go Sheamus' chant last night.

aac405 said:
is it just me, or did it look like Sheamus was supposed to go through the table set up outside of the ring?? I mean, the shock of the announcers, cena, and Sheamus...PLUS they were trying to cover up with it looked like Cena pushed himself on the table....

Seemed more like King said he fell off, and Striker said he was 'nudged' off, not Cena pushed himself off. Regardless, ref's decision is final (on Raw anyway)

aac405 said:
if you are able to watch a reply of the match, notice how the table is set up right where Sheamus fell from the top rope to the ground, I believe they were suppose to fall through the tables at the same time, causing a draw

Except Cena would have hit the table first, having less distance to fall, so no. Plus Sheamus didn't land near the table, he hit the floor and continued to roll closer to it. If he was supposed to go through the table, he would have.

aac405 said:
Cena keeps title, and Sheamus is still undefeated since his debut on Raw....thus causing Sheamus to go to the Royal Rumble...win it, and face Cena at Mania, defeating him and becoming new WWE Champion at Mania....ultimately that would boost him more as a superstar then this victory has

But who'd want to watch Cena v Sheamus at WM? ME'ers don't wrestle rookies at WM.

aac405 said:
i know the end here was just a thought, but it actually would make a good storyline if i do say so myself...tell me what you guys think

Cena should have his rematch tonight and lose due to a Carlito run-in, so that they can have a fued and maybe Carlito can get some kind of half decent rub for a change. That'd be a better story than your suggestion.
 
What happened was a denigration for the WWE Title. How many years does it take to become WWE Champ? Just ask Cena, Jeff Hardy, JBL... The "CelticWarrior" hasn't even proved anything. This makes titles like the IC worthless, because now it seems that any newcomer can become Heavyweight Champ in 2 months since their debut...

Because the title never recovered from Brock Lesnar winning it so quickly. Oh, what's that you say? Brock Lesnar was different because it was what YOU wanted to see? Well, so sorry, but your theory about the belt being denigrated is weak. The belt will be just fine.

I know that RAW has not seen so many new faces around... but I would have standed for The Miz feuding with Cena for the WWE Championship... but Sheamus?? Come on...

Not like Miz and Cena feuded in the beginning of the Summer. And you know, it's not like Cena pretty much buried The Miz during that angle. So you'd rather have a guy take on the champ who already showed this year that he wasn't ready to hang with Cena. Great eye for booking there, buddy.

i think its dumb to give it to him already! he hasn't done shit in the company and he's wwe champ already? come on!

... if any new talent should of won it should of been jomo but hopefully him losing the IC title, the wwe will start to build him up for mania maybe at a world title shot!

Freeze right there. See, you haven't really come up with ANY reason why Sheamus should not be champ. All you've done is whine about the fact that he is, and then whine that your boys didn't win instead.

sheamus as champ will go no longer then EC bc if the wwe wants a draw for mania it wont happen with sheamus going in there as there wwe champion.

This I kind of agree with, but you state it like it's such a bad thing. Like we've never had "transitional" champions before. It didn't kill the industry then, it won't kill it now. Of course Sheamus isn't holding the title until Wrestlemania. What about other "transitional" champions of the past? Does this mean that Mankind's first title win was a travesty because it was "transitional"?

We've put the strap on Sheamus for change's sake. Why does everyone think "change" is necessarily good? Change is only good if it makes sense and improves your situation. If my life sucks, and I die, that's change. Am I better off? No, I'm dead.

This is just like the "If change is good, the why not make Hornswoggle WWE Champ" argument I heard earlier, and it's just as wrong. You don't actually make any really similarities between the two (Sheamus as champ and your life sucking). If your life was stale, boring, and predictable, and you went and did something like get a mohawk to change it up, your life would probably be less stale and boring to people who are watching it. Does it mean you should keep the mohawk? No, but it was the shock that got people talking that made your life suck less.

This is the bottom-line when it comes to Sheamus' push: he has gotten ZERO fan reaction during this it. He has no heat; he is not over. It will be interesting to see if that changes on RAW tonight. My guess is it won't.

Actually, aside from his first two Raws as #1 Contender, he's been getting decent enough heat. I expect to change tonight as MOST EVERYONE EXPECTED HIM TO LOSE. Did you see all those crying kids last night? They won't be quiet about that tonight. Sheamus is not the biggest heel in WWE, but that's not what he is supposed to be either. He'll bring the heat, you'll see.

We pushed Steph's boy Rob Conway to ZERO fan reaction. We pushed Vince's monster Snitsky to ZERO fan reaction. We are now pushing HHH's little buddy to the moon with ZERO fan reaction. It's insulting to me that the McMahons keep saying, "We know better than you what you want." Doesn't exactly make me want to buy their product, you know? I guess it's not their fault that ratings and buyrates are down, huh? It's us "dumb" fans.

Sheamus has been performing for 7 years, the last 3 of which have been in WWE. So forgive the guy for making friends. I'm sure Steph and Vince and Paul have all gotten their friends over in the past, but you act like Sheamus is a card carrying member of the Kliq. There is more to his push than just the Triple H rumors. If that's all it took to become champ, Sean Waltman would have been WWE Champion 8 times by now.

And like I stated a second ago, Sheamus DOES get reactions. He's gotten a huge one out off all these IWC nerds who used to shit on Cena, and are now mad that he lost. And look at people like our LordSidious. Just before the PPV he still talking about how he couldn't care less about the product, and afterwards he's got a bit of excitement in his posts about the PPV. We all like to think we've figured out McMahon and WWE Creative, but moments like this make even the most grizzled of us mark out.

So where do we go from here? Sheamus retains because you want your champion on the January 4th head-to-head? Let's see, Sheamus or Hogan? Boy, that's a tough and compelling choice for viewers! Or, we can't have that, so we make him a "Kane" champion and put the belt back on Cena tonight? Then, it's not change, it's more of the same. And who besides Cena facing Sheamus would generate ratings on Jan. 4th? Cena won't be there. MVP? Kofi? No time for a build up; why would fans care? Because the McMahons tell them to? Insulting...

1: Did McMahon know about the TNA situation months ago when they put Sheamus on this path? I don't think so, buddy (nice try).

2: Sheamus or Hogan? Sheamus. No contest.

3: Yes, giving the belt back to Cena tonight is more of the same. Except for that whole part about "when the fuck was the last time you saw a world title change on Raw?". Yeah, that's some more change for you to suck on.

4: 1/4 is just under a month from now. I don't know about you, but I think that's plenty time to build up a Sheamus vs *insert face here* for 1/4/10. WWE spends less time building up PPV's anyway.

It's just a damn shame the MNF match-up doesn't interest me tonight. Maybe I'll read a book and save the electricity it costs to power my tv...I just don't care about Sheamus, Cena, Dx, JeriShow and the whole lot of them.

If that's the way you feel about it, go for it. I'm still lost at how DX and Jerishow ended up on your post when the topic is Sheamus. This leads me to believe that your issue is less with Sheamus and more about your favorite guys not getting over. But don't confuse the fact that you obviously have previous issues with the WWE and McMahon with the theory that Sheamus as champ is the end of the world. If you want to stop watching, stop watching; we tell WWE what we like and don't like by choosing to or not to watch. However, I'm willing to bet that you will still be watching Raw tonight like everyone else.
 
Is it stunningly fast to see a new guy win the WWE title? Yes. The IC title is a little less, because it's been won that fast before, as has the US title (hell, Carlito won it his first night). But I like it, I like how they are telling the story, of an upstart coming in, and taking the WWE by storm. How often have we seen guys come in, get pushed to the moon, yet nothing happens with it? They set up a storyline, to give a young guy who they even mentioned wouldn't have otherwise gotten this title opportunity, and they sold it.

But for as much as some people are crying that this is what you get for kissing HHH's ass, which I don't buy because working out with a guy doesn't = brown nosing, and I'm sure there have been plenty of HHH "buddies", I think ultimately this Sheamus push was strictly done to help make Cena fresh again. I mean, Cena cut promos on Sheamus that were borderline 'who the hell are you to challenge me?', and then comes in and loses his title. They showed shots of kids in his shirts all sad, and him just in a deep depression. I liked him taking a piece of the table, and putting it away in his pocket. I think this storlyine reeks of a Rocky-Clubber Lang, where the champion gets knocked off by the upstart, and has to go back to the drawing board to take him down. Now whether that happens at the Rumble, or Wrestlemania, we'll see. Personally, I'd love it if Cena got his rematch at the Rumble, and although fought well, still lost. Then let's say he wins at EC, and it's for the WWE title shot at WM. He and Sheamus go back and forth the next couple of weeks, and then he recaptures the title, and redeems himself and his fans.

Oh, and since that question has come up as well, I don't believe Sheamus was supposed to go through a table on the outside, because he actually bent his leg to catch himself on the ropes. Plus, that table out there was the one he flipped out of the ring before eating Cena's finisher, so it's not like they had it set up for it. Add to that, and the bell rang, and Sheamus' music started right up, prepared to go.
 
When my cousin told me Sheamus won the title last night, I just kept asking, 'are you sure?" Ugh.

LOL, at some of the IWC rationalizing this move because we all wanted 'someone different', someone other than Cena or Orton or HHH with the belt on Raw. So we should be nice little fans and not complain because that would be hypocrisy. Uh huh. It's not hypocrisy to have logical expectations and expect things to progress, but in way that makes sense. Sheamus winning the WWE title right now doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, that's true that the WWE needs to start pushing their young stars cause a core group of main-eventers are moving up in age and will most likely be gone or regulated to 'special attraction' status in the next 5-8 years.

But Sheamus' push right now seems quite unbelievable to me. And not unbelievable in a 'Wow, this is exciting and new' kind of way, but in a 'why should i watch this guy, im changing the channel' kind of way.

Having him debut on Raw via-squashing Jaime Noble was already quite lame, but at least you got the sense they were building the guy up for a mid-card feud so the audience on Raw could get familiar with him. Then, he's thrown into this title run, with honestly not alot of heat on him and we're supposedly to take him seriously?

Why? Because he's a monster? Yeah I guess, but he looks and acts green ( even if he's got years experience ) and shouldn't get the privilege of leapfrogging the rest of the Raw mid-card cause he's a 'monster'.

And yes, I said he doesn't get alot of heat. Which might not be entirely his fault, but more of a symptom of push being too fast and his character not setting in with the crowd.
I didn't see the ppv last night, so perhaps he produced a decent reaction from the crowd by taking the title off of their beloved Cena, but from what I've seen on Raw, and the few times I saw him on ECW, the guy isn't drawing much reaction from the crowd at all.

To me, the only logical reason to push someone sooner than expected is when their demonstrating a command of character and in-ring performance that's drawing so much heat from the crowd, that it demands a push, meaning it would be crazy and short-sighted not to do it. I don't think, at this point, Sheamus has done this, so what's the point of putting the world title on him? To shock people? If shocking people is enough to make for a good angle to them, then they need to move Christian to Raw and 'shockingly' put the title on him. Or Morrison, or even Ted.

I know this is the WWE's way of to caving to the demands of new blood in the title picture, did they really have to do it with Sheamus? I'm not saying the guy has no talent and can't put on a decent match or anything, but REALLY?
With MVP, Kofi, Ted, Swagger, and ever the frickin' Miz available for a title push, they go with Sheamus? And don't give me the 'but their busy in other feuds' excuse. If the WWE REALLY wanted to pick one of these others guys, they could rewrite their storyines in that direction. But they didn't. Sheamus was chosen OVER them, and I'm curious why.

I normally don't like going here, but this reeks of HHH's politicking. Sheamus is randomly moved to Raw without the draft involved ( from what I remember), placed on a 'who can stop him' warpath, wins the breakthrough battle royal with more believable contenders in the match and then beats SuperCena on the first match-up? All in less than 3 months (?) With reports that he and HHH are buddies...1+1=2, I suppose.

I hope the WWE has some long term plans for the guy, cause hotshotting this him into a title reign might not be the best for him overall. I doubt he's going to hold the title for a long time. What are the going to do with him afterwards? It's wait and see I guess. If Sheamus proves himself to be entertaining and better in the ring than he's shown so far, good for him. Cause so far, I'm not digging him.
 
To me, the only logical reason to push someone sooner than expected is when their demonstrating a command of character and in-ring performance that's drawing so much heat from the crowd, that it demands a push, meaning it would be crazy and short-sighted not to do it

Which to me is the EXACT OPPOSITE of "sooner than expected". That is when one is expected to take the step up.

I'm guessing here that what a lot of us who are excited and/or happy about this is that if you remove Sheamus and McIntyre from the equation, what you are still left with if new stars being given real opportunity. It's in their hands now whether they sink or swim; no one in the IWC can defend them if they drop the ball. What's exciting is that this is NOT what WWE traditionally does, this is a good NEW trend, and that is a VERY GOOD THING. The only reason you are upset is that it's not stars YOU feel should be champ, and you are able to link it to more "Triple H is teh Devil" whining. Being Triple H's friend may get you a good contract, or a decent push. It may get you a great entrance. It doesn't get you the belt in 3 months on Raw; that's what you get when there is some sort of plan for you, and people only plan for you when you impress them. Sheamus didn't have to prove himself to us to get the title shot; he had to prove himself to the company (which they obviously feel he did). NOW is Sheamus' time to prove to us why he deserves the title. Either you care enough to watch or you don't.
 
Which to me is the EXACT OPPOSITE of "sooner than expected". That is when one is expected to take the step up.

I'm guessing here that what a lot of us who are excited and/or happy about this is that if you remove Sheamus and McIntyre from the equation, what you are still left with if new stars being given real opportunity. It's in their hands now whether they sink or swim; no one in the IWC can defend them if they drop the ball. What's exciting is that this is NOT what WWE traditionally does, this is a good NEW trend, and that is a VERY GOOD THING. The only reason you are upset is that it's not stars YOU feel should be champ, and you are able to link it to more "Triple H is teh Devil" whining. Being Triple H's friend may get you a good contract, or a decent push. It may get you a great entrance. It doesn't get you the belt in 3 months on Raw; that's what you get when there is some sort of plan for you, and people only plan for you when you impress them. Sheamus didn't have to prove himself to us to get the title shot; he had to prove himself to the company (which they obviously feel he did). NOW is Sheamus' time to prove to us why he deserves the title. Either you care enough to watch or you don't.

I guess one person's whining is another person's constructive criticism.
First of all, I think you mistook what I said.
What I meant be someone being so over, they demand a push sooner than expected, I meant how some guys just get over with the crowd so well, that not running with it at the time, whether it's what was planned or not, would be irresponsible, a la SCSA right after his Austin 3:16 promo.
My point in saying that was alluding the obvious fact that Sheamus isn't nearly that over, so what's with the main even push?

Also, I see there's a difference in philosophy between us. You see, I think you should prove you deserve the title BEFORE you get it.
You apparently think you should get it and then prove your worthy of keeping it.
If that's how you roll, then fine. I don't think that way.

I prefer the prolonged sense of drama in building someone up for more than 3 months, putting them through a gauntlet of feuds of matches help develop their character and in-ring psychology, perhaps with a mid-card title win or two and then placing them in a main even feud.
I don't prefer this because I'm a stark traditionalist. I prefer this because I think it works. And isn't that the point of all these storylines and feuds and drama. That they succeed?
Yes, Sheamus winning was shocking, but why is that enough? Is that how bad the WWE has gotten, that as long as it's something 'shocking' were supposed to give them a standing ovation cause it's different?

You also seem to think that there's some intrinsic correlation between things being "good" and being "different".
Good things can be different. Different things can be good. They don't always go together dude, and I happen to think that this is a case.
Yes, I'd rather see some other up-and-coming star with the title before Sheamus.

Sue me.

I don't hate Sheamus, I just think it's too early in his time on Raw and his character development to be given the title over Kofi or MVP and some of these others guys who are still waiting around for a real title shot are. Some might disagree, and that's fine.

And I trust me, I don't sit around thinking about how every thing I don't like about the WWE is HHH's fault, because it's obviously not. That's not how I operate.
HHH isn't a favorite of mine, but I don't hate him either.
However, I'm not so blind to believe that every gets what they deserve because they deserve it, and that backstage politics have nothing to do with certain people getting better treatment in the company.

Just like anything else, you can choose to believe that HHH being high on Sheamus because their friends has something to do with the title push and win.
I choose to believe it.
Don't patronize me by acting like this idea of HHH possibily having something to do Sheamus' push is crazy and only HHH haters would come up with it.
Is it really so hard to believe that he would pull rank backstage and want Sheamus, in particular, to win the title because he's obviously gotten creative power and has an investment in who gets pushed on-screen? I think it's a logical theory to assume, but you know what. Even if HHH isn't involved with this, I wouldn't have liked the idea of Sheamus winning right now.

And, BTW, since the reason the WWE can sustain itself as a company is because they have fans who watch the programs and buy the merchandise and gt to the shows, I was under the impression that the wrestlers had to not only impress the people backstage, but also in the crowd.

He may have impressed the right people backstage, but I'm in the crowd, and as of right now, I don't see what they must be seeing the put the title on him so quickly in his Raw career. And I'm not impressed. I get that this is an experiment in new blood, but I thought that there were better options available.

If the guy proves himself with some great matches, some good promos and drawing him own heat from the crowd ( as in people boo him cause they hate him and not because he's the guy who beat Cena ), then that's great. As of right now, I'm just not as optimistic as you. But that's ok, you're obviously the fan the WWE is hoping for and I'm, let's just say, I'm not.
 
I think Cena should use his rematch clause at the Royal Rumble or WWE set it up for Sheamus vs. Cena Part 2 at the Royal Rumble. Have Sheamus of course win and retian the title. Now they can have a filler match inbetween were the title will not be on the line and Cena wins to make his thing with Sheamus even. Then Sheamus can defend the title again successfully at the Elimination Chambers PPV in Feb, eliminating Cena to win the match. That would be the end of Cena vs. Sheamus and we could get a new feud. Sheamus vs. Kingston in the main event at WM 26. By then hopefully Kofi's feud with Orton would get them over. Cena can have a short feud with Taker resulting in a match at WM 26.
 
LOL. Holy Hell, I want to hear the people that bash me for bashing Triple H and giving his pals the rub come in here and defend this. Really, the new kid that does weight lifting with Triple H managed to win the WWE title? No Way, who didn't see that one coming. Oh, and there's no way in hell that Shawn Michaels Protege Drew McIntyre could win the iC title, oh wait.

Face it guys, it's more backstage bullshit. It's not about talent, it's about who you know, and it pays to be pals with the guy boinking the bosses daughter. I pretty much submit irrefutable evidence at this point. So come on in Triple H apologist, please explain how this doesn't have him written all over it.
 
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LOL. Holy Hell, I want to hear the people that bash me for bashing Triple H and giving his pals the rub come in here and defend this. Really, the new kid that does weight lifting with Triple H managed to win the WWE title? No Way, who didn't see that one coming. Oh, and there's no way in hell that Shawn Michaels Protege Drew McIntyre could win the iC title, oh wait.

Face it guys, it's more backstage bullshit. It's not about talent, it's about who you know, and it pays to be pals with the guy boinking the bosses daughter. I pretty much submit irrefutable evidence at this point. So come on in Triple H apologist, please explain how this doesn't have him written all over it.

Doesn't Vince have the final say-so though? You can't blame this all on HHH because if Vince didn't want him as champion, then he wouldn't have won the match. I don't mind Sheamus winning as he's going to become a transitional champion. This may scream "one day reign" but that would be a bad way to go because of past experience (Kane).

It's obvious that Morrison is going to get a main event push and that is why McIntyre won. I don't see why you would have a problem with McIntyre beating Morrison. I would have rather Sheamus win a midcard title before champion but I'm curious to see what will happen on RAW tonight.
 
LOL. Holy Hell, I want to hear the people that bash me for bashing Triple H and giving his pals the rub come in here and defend this. Really, the new kid that does weight lifting with Triple H managed to win the WWE title? No Way, who didn't see that one coming. Oh, and there's no way in hell that Shawn Michaels Protege Drew McIntyre could win the iC title, oh wait.

Face it guys, it's more backstage bullshit. It's not about talent, it's about who you know, and it pays to be pals with the guy boinking the bosses daughter. I pretty much submit irrefutable evidence at this point. So come on in Triple H apologist, please explain how this doesn't have him written all over it.

This is exactly what modern heel heat is. People believe there's a conspiracy against the "good wrestlers" so that the "wrestlers no one likes" (also known as a heel) get too much backstage pull.

This is why this topic is so popular. He's getting real modern heel heat and tons of it. People HATE the guy for getting the title. People HATE the guy for being new and getting it so easy. All this adds up to heel heat.

Do you realize how hard it is for WWE to make heels that people truly hate?

Well they just made one, and the proof is in the comments.
 
This is exactly what modern heel heat is. People believe there's a conspiracy against the "good wrestlers" so that the "wrestlers no one likes" (also known as a heel) get too much backstage pull.

This is why this topic is so popular. He's getting real modern heel heat and tons of it. People HATE the guy for getting the title. People HATE the guy for being new and getting it so easy. All this adds up to heel heat.

Do you realize how hard it is for WWE to make heels that people truly hate?

Well they just made one, and the proof is in the comments.

I might agree with that, but having just watched the match in which Sheamus won the title...he didn't get a fucking inch of heat out of that crowd when he won. In fact, the exact opposite happened, alot of the crowd in fact began to cheer loudly when he won. After those initial cheers everyone just stood there, stone silent while Sheamus celebrated, no heat whatsoever.

Sheamus still can't get over even after winning a world title from the biggest face in the company. That speaks for this decision by itself.

Looks like we may have a NEW Kliq boys and girls! Triple H, HBK, Sheamus and Drew McIntyre. Funny how every one of them won a title last night...
 
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