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I feel quite bad for all the boys in the back that has bled for this organization over the years. It was an uphill battle just to get RVD the title and now someone with little pro experience walks in and wins within his first 6 months. Sad day. How does Matt Hardy or Sheldon Benjamin or even Carlito feel about this? Pretty terrible probably. I feel bad for them. This is a strange move. I assume Sheamus wont hold the title very long, but still a bad message sent to the boys in the back.
 
So the general feel is that everyone seems to be happy about Cena dropping the title, but not many like the idea that he dropped it to Sheamus in particular... I agree with this.

The argument that everyone wanted change and now we're still bitchin is ridiculous. There's no way this is a rational argument. The change we got is bullshit. Why am I expected to be happy about this? Just because it's some type of change at all that makes it okay? Like this actually makes sense to some people. I really don't get the rationale. Like if you're behind Sheamus then fine. But so so so many other guys deserve that spot instead of him. Like go ahead and ask how many people have ever heard of Sheamus in your daily life. The answer is hardly anyone.


Bottom line is it was stupid and even hurts the title's prestige...At least Kane was over when he won it.
 
I'm just gonna give credit where credit is due and say Wow, the WWE just surprised the hell outta me.

This is what I'm talking about. Nobody thought this guy would win. Some people were putting up a "yeah he's got about a 5% chance to win" earlier.

Finally WWE gives me a real surprise for once.

As for Sheamus, well who knows what kind of champion he'll be?

Give him a chance to prove himself as champion before you jump to conclusions about him because he's new.

Also I'd just like to add, he's getting real heel heat now because so many people think he doesn't deserve the belt
 
Doesn't bother me too much, its nice to see some new blood in the Main Event picture. Sure, its not who I would of picked to be champ but hey, you can't have your cake and eat it too!

Besides belts are props these days anyways, I mean if Vince McMahon, Vince Russo and David Arquette can be champs why not Sheamus, Cena isn't gonna suffer without the belt, the ratings aren't gonna drop too much and frankly they just made a new main eventer tonight, pretty sure thats what the IWC has been bitching for a while now, and most of all, Sheamus could use the belt more than Cena could, personally I think they made the right decision tonight (although I'll admit it would of been nice to see a new guy besides Sheamus to get the nod like Miz or Morrison). For me the only real downside to this is that I'll have to wear shades while I watch raw now.
 
I honestly don't quite know what to make of this title switch. I mean it's great for the people who want to see exciting and fresh, and the people who can't stand to see Cena as champion, but is it really fair to the guys that are established who can't break through the glass ceiling? And people will say that he's not ready, which may be the case. But how is he ever supposed to get ready without going over on some of the big name guys?

Also, people say how Cena is stale, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. The only thing fresh about Cena is his t-shirt, and wristbands, but I think that with this loss (depending on how fast Cena gets it back, IF he gets it back) actually takes Cena down a peg. It may add a fresh perspective depending on how he reacts character-wise. But who knows...things will become more clear after the dust settles in about a week or two.
 
People aren't looking for something different for the sake of something different, they're looking for something GOOD and different

Well, you are expecting WWE to read your mind and push only who you mark out for? The phrase "GOOD" in your statement is based on personal opinion and not on any quality of Sheamus or McIntyre. Both men went through their matches tonight looking as best as they could in the situation they were in. Both men delivered, what more can you ask for from a match?

And shock value does not automatically mean it's good. By that rationale, Hornswoggle winning the WWE title would be a shock and also good?

Not true. Hornswoggle winning the title is like giving it to David Arquette again. This is a silly argument and I think you know that. We don't even know what the long term plan is, so it may be better that it's these two who win rather than the guys you want to see win.

John Cena ISN'T going to be on Raw on 1/4, this has been confirmed. It's a big night, Raw will want its champion. And who knows what the road to WM in spring is planned to look like. Maybe Cena is being set up for something else. Who knows, the point is that the only information I get from your post is that you don't like Sheamus by the principles of your own personal preferences, not for any legitimate reason.

It's amazing that these other wrestlers don't do something about it.

Actually, from what I gather most don't care who is holding the titles. That's for the fans to care about. What they care about is doing their job, and not pissing and fighting amongst each other over who gets treated better. At the end of the day, they are all in it for the company, not for themselves.

Is there any question wHHHo there is to blame for this

Nope. It was the same guy who hand picked two other guys a few years back. Randy & Dave. Whatever happened to those guys? Honestly, if you haven't gotten over the fact that HHH has somebody's ear when it comes to new talent you should probably stop watching WWE. But it's not like he's hand picked a ton of crap for McMahon. I'd say his track record is pretty darn good so far.
 
Needless to say, Sheamus winning is assuredly surprising. I don't think anyone thought he'd win the title this early in his career; he moved to RAW merely a few months ago and already has the most important title.

As far as how long I think he'll hold it, I'm unsure. It could be really short, or really long. I don't believe it's going to be the latter, though, WWE is getting unpredictable and could give him a long reign. I subscribe to the short reign theory because he's relatively new, isn't as over as others, and will likely not help ratings.

This has the makings of a fairly short, transitional reign, however, due to WWE's recent unpredictability, Sheamus' title reign could be long.
 
Guys, let's not go over the top on this.

Lose ratings? Are you kidding me? WWE is not going to lose ratings on the road to the rumble. The Royal Rumble is a perfect PPV to give the new champ because the championships are secondary at the rumble. More importantly, it gets the belt off Cena so he is freed up from his belt to feud with Taker. My prediction is that this is a stepping stone. I guarantee you guys that the only reason that Sheamus won the title is so HHH could take it at the Rumble and face HBK for it at WM.

Now about the backstage situation, what are they going to do about it? They can whine and moan and complain but does anyone actually think that will amount to anything? No it won't. John Morrison knows that WWE is pushing him and has a lot of faith in him. Matt hardy? What is he going to do? Leave? I highly doubt it. Carlito? Does it even matter? When was the last time he did anything remotely interesting? The only person who can seriously claim beef is Christian, but he's had the ECW title for almost all of the year and has Edge in his corner. Guys, no superstar that has potential is going to do a darn thing. Was it a bit mean? Yeah, so what?

I don't like how Sheamus is a transitional champion but I would rather see this than Cena vs HHH at the Rumble again. At least we get fresh Main Events and Fresh feuds for another month or so, so enjoy it while you get it.

Remember, at this time, all roads lead to WM. Everything WWE does from here on out is going towards WM
 
I watched the PPV with a couple of my friends. After Cena crashed through the table and the bell was rung, we all looked at each other like, "WTF!?" It was surprising, but refreshing at the same time. I think having the company's top title this early in his career will do wonders for Sheamus down the road.

A thought also dawned on me as the Orton-Kingston match was taking place. Orton is now a WWE Championship contender, since Cena does not have the belt anymore. I imagine Randy Orton will somehow work his way back into the title picture and challenge Sheamus for the belt somewhere down the road, unless Cena wins it back first.
 
WWE really surprised me with this one, as I had predicted earlier that Sheamus would ultimately NOT get the title because of it being too early in his career. To their credit, they went full steam ahead with it. They should be congratulated.

Unpredictability is one of the most valuable parts of pro wrestling in this day and age with wrestling. And WWE delivered.

I think Sheamus will hold the title at least until January 4th, because WWE will likely be looking for a big title match as well as a change that night, to compete with TNA Impact. They may do something beforehand, but this is the best move WWE could have made. They have people talking.
 
As I'm sure many others do, I have mixed feelings on this...

Does he deserve it? No, not nearly as much as some other guys in the back(Carlito is a big one, but I personally don't agree with a lot they have done with his character lately), this has been pointed out. But Was his match tonight against Cena really that bad? IMO, No. I thought it was actually a well put together match and I've seen others say as well, he did a pretty good job tonight. Did he sell the moves, taking a beating, and barely coming out on top? Yes, and I'm certain I saw the marks from him too.

The way he won makes this believable. Weather you say you wanted to see someone new, and didn't care as long as the strap was off Cena, or you would rather see Cena than Sheamus, everyone has to realize one thing. Nothing the WWE, Vince, the writers, or even HHH(:suspic:)... can do will please every single fan, that is just unreasonable to even think.

We may have a WWE Championship match on Raw tonight, maybe Cena will be champ again, and people will complain about that. Maybe this won't happen. Maybe we'll end up with a new Champ soon that has never held a major title. I'm always up for new stuff, and giving anyone an opportunity to prove themselves.

So this situation is this, we have a new WWE Champion. I for one am all for giving a new guy an opportunity. I am willing to sit back for this ride, and see what the WWE can do with this, weather it was a botch(Cena going through the table) or not, they could really go places with this. I say, for me, I'm going to give this new comer the opportunity to prove himself. The ppv was less than 3 hours ago, maybe after tomorrow night I'll think things differently, but as of now, lets see what happens on Raw.

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A thought also dawned on me as the Orton-Kingston match was taking place. Orton is now a WWE Championship contender, since Cena does not have the belt anymore. I imagine Randy Orton will somehow work his way back into the title picture and challenge Sheamus for the belt somewhere down the road, unless Cena wins it back first.

Thinking even more into this quote in itself, do you guys think, with the character that Orton is, the WWE is not gonna let Orton make sure Cena doesn't get the title back? I would only expect that Orton would make sure Cena doesn't beat Sheamus in a rematch, Cena not having the belt opens a door for Orton, one I imagine he doesn't want gone...
 
Ok I don't post that much, but felt this was a good time to. I read a lot of these things, and I am amazed that people bitch piss whine and moan, that WWE need new main events new guys at the top. They finally give you what you want in Sheamus and all you do is bitch some more. Believe it or not HHH is not the one writing, booking or paying the stars or head of the creative team. And unlike a lot of the "superstars" we see now he actually spent time on the independent scene. You can't have it both ways either we keep seeing cena vs orton then orton vs hhh then cena vs hhh or all three at once. Or we can sit back enjoy the fresh blood at the top and hope more new guys get a chance.



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I find it very odd that they decided to put the title on Sheamus, especially so quickly. Personally I'd have chosen many other over him. It's good to see them moving in a supposed new direction by elevating some fresh new faces but I really have to question the thinking behind this one.

A while back it was reported that McMahon was a big fan of Sheamus and I have to think that politics and personal preference had something to do with this. I don't think Sheamus has a great look though I will admit he at least looks different physically being unappealingly pasty white with red hair. I also do not buy him as a monster...beating Jaime Noble and randoms on ECW isn't all that impressive. I also don't by him as a number one competitor. Sure he got it by winning the battle royal but before that who did he beat? It just seems so strange that this is the guy they would want to elevate, at this time, and in this manner.

I don't think he's terrible but I do question the decision here. Time will tell.
 
Ok I don't post that much, but felt this was a good time to. I read a lot of these things, and I am amazed that people bitch piss whine and moan, that WWE need new main events new guys at the top. They finally give you what you want in Sheamus and all you do is bitch some more. Believe it or not HHH is not the one writing, booking or paying the stars or head of the creative team. And unlike a lot of the "superstars" we see now he actually spent time on the independent scene. You can't have it both ways either we keep seeing cena vs orton then orton vs hhh then cena vs hhh or all three at once. Or we can sit back enjoy the fresh blood at the top and hope more new guys get a chance.



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Thats where you are wrong. NOBODY wanted Sheamus as world champ. Especially when we still hardly know who the fuck he is. There are plenty of more over and more established wrestlers than Sheamus who I'm sure nobody would have had a problem winning the title instead of Sheamus.

Just because its a "new change" doesn't make it a GOOD change.
 
Wow, some outrageous stuff going on in this thread

"Like go ahead and ask how many people have ever heard of Sheamus in your daily life. The answer is hardly anyone."

Yup, almost no one will know, kinda similar to how pretty much no one I can ask in my daily life will know who: Kofi Kingston, Shelton Benjamin, Jack Swagger, John Morrison(don't you mean Jim Morrison?). Wrestling is not huge the way it was 10 years ago. Even the new Main-Eventers like John Cena and Randy Orton aren't THAT well known.

"At least Kane was over when he won it."

Pretty much no one outside of the Main-Event is over nowadays, back then EVERYONE was over.

"It's amazing that these other wrestlers don't do something about it."

That type of comment really amuses me, like you all do realize that Sheamus is probably friends with more people than HHH right, just because he's friends with him doesn't mean the rest of the locker room hates him. He is not a rookie, he's just a rookie to the WWE, he's been wrestling for 7 years and probably made himself a bunch of friends in FCW that are probably really supportive of someone like him getting the title since it opens up more opportunities and gives them hope.

"I wonder how Shelton Benjamin/Matt Hardy must feel about this"

Like they are no where near the Main-Event title anyway, their problem is not Sheamus, its Vince.

"ETC ETC ETC was way more deserving."

I have grown to hate the word DESERVE and all of its incarnations. Anytime I see it used I basically think of it this way "ETC is way more deserving than Sheamus" = "ETC is way more the guy I wanted to be in this spot than Sheamus".

The IWC is SO shortsighted, its been 2 hours and Sheamus is already the Fingerpoke of Doom. Ratings will never be the same, wrestlers are going to defect to TNA, blah blah blah. Sheamus being champ does not change the Raw roster, all the same Superstars will still be there and if his reign actually is a collosal failure the title will be off of him by The Royal Rumble and it'll be back to business as usual. In fact no matter what, I'll bet the status quo will be back to normal at the latest by Elimination Chamber. The only way I'd ever see something problematic with Sheamus run is if he actually made it to Wrestlemania.

Also I think its high time that we just accept that HHH is a McMahon for all intents and purposes and accept him as a Wrestler/Booker. Its been done before HHH it'll be done long after he's gone. As long as he's not completely hogging the top of the card and the title I don't care, every champ in the history of the business has had someone with a lot of stroke pulling for them in the back. The whole business is built on politics.
 
Thats where you are wrong. NOBODY wanted Sheamus as world champ. Especially when we still hardly know who the fuck he is. There are plenty of more over and more established wrestlers than Sheamus who I'm sure nobody would have had a problem winning the title instead of Sheamus.

Just because its a "new change" doesn't make it a GOOD change.

Actually, several people in this thread said they were happy Sheamus was given the Championship. I am one of those people. And I want him as the WWE Champion because it is finally someone new to get into the Main Event, other than the Cena/Orton/Triple H trifecta rotation.

Maybe we don't know a lot about Sheamus yet. As far as I'm concerned, now you have a reason to tune into Raw and find out, though.
 
Although I don't think Sheamus should have gotten the title yet, I'm glad actually. I call it the "lesnar push" Both Brock and Sheamus came, and won the WWE championship with like 5 or 6 months of their debut. Sheamus might become even better like Brock, and might become one of the hottest things in wrestling. The biggest thing that pisses me off about this, is that it's HHH's friend, and I think that is 85% of the reason this happened so early in his career.
 
I don't get it; everyone shits on Sheamus simply because he impressed the right people. It would be no different at any other job. Do good work, show good potential, get noticed. Give the guy time to drop the ball before you start crying. This draws attention and creates buzz at a time when TNA is hoping to be the word on people's lips. This is the best play they could have made.
 
I didn't see the PPV. So, I can't comment on how the match went.

Shock, awe, bewilderment, and maybe even a little bit of glee went through my mind when I read the play by play results on WrestleZone. I'm not so much happy that they gave the title to Cena. And I'm a little mixed on Sheamus being the one that got the title. But what I am happy about is that unpredictability has returned to WWE. I agree with most people. I had Sheamus LOSING this match because it's John Cena. The thought would have been Cena going on through to Mania to defend his championship.

It still wouldn't shock me to see Cena regain the title in a couple weeks. After all, he's already stated on TV that he would invoke his return match clause immediately after the PPV. This opens up a lot of possible roads for WWE. I don't think Sheamus will come anywhere near a WrestleMania WWE Championship match... at least one on one. So, who's going to come after the WWE Championship in the next few weeks other than Cena? You have to know Orton will do everything he can now to get back the title, and Kofi will do anything to stop him. Smells like a Fatal 4 Way at Royal Rumble to me.

What does Sheamus do for Raw as WWE Champion? Other than putting Mark Cuban through a table, not much. He's not going to bring anybody into wrestling with his charming personality. In fact, Sheamus reminds me of the red head that everyone in school called a freak or "ginger." Only now, he's bulked up and coming after you for revenge. That pretty much explains that character. His days as WWE Champion will be limited. He'll probably be lucky to hold on to it past tomorrow night, let alone the Royal Rumble.

Long term, this really doesn't do a damn thing except add another statistic and some legitimacy to the Sheamus character. Former WWE Champion is a pretty good stat to have. Short term, it adds a sense of unpredictability to the title scene. Plus, SOME young superstars are being given opportunities to rise to the occasion lately. Sheamus has his now. Let's see how he handles his 15 minutes of fame.
 
Eh, I'm kinda iffy on this. The way the match ended, it looked to me like Cena just fell through the table, and we all know you only win once you physically put your opponent through the table. I mean, even King pointed out that he thought that Cena fell through the table. On the other hand, like some people said "it could have been a botch" and Sheamus really is the champ. I'm really on the fence about the legitimacy of this, and am just gonna sit back and see what creative does with it. However, even though I do like Sheamus, if this title reign is real then I agree that its too fast. They could've at least had him go over some of the mid-card talent.
 
Ok, so wwe decides to put the belt on someone young, someone new, someone who isn't cena, hhh, or orton and it amazes me that all these people who bitch about new blood being in the main event are now pissed that sheamus has the belt. Wtf? I've been suspicious that some of you posters just bitch for the sake of bitching and now i know it's true. Maybe if Morrisson somehow weaseled his way into that match and won everyone would be happy since he's the iwc's golden boy, or maybe that piece of shit shelton benjamin. Seriously, it would take the fucking rock and austin making full time comebacks to make some of you happy.

Maybe we need to just sit back and watch what creative has planned for this. Did anyone see kofi being in line for the push he's recieved recently, no. And, if you say you did, you're full of shit. Sheamus is pretty good in the ring and not too bad on the mic. Yeah, he's green and it's probably too soon for him to carry the main title on the A show. But maybe this guy will be given a the chance to run with it, and hopefully he shines. This shit about McIntyre and Sheamus being HHH's boys and that's the only reason they won tonight is ridiculous. Both of these guys are talented as fuck. I'd be willing to bet that without the internet, most of you would like their work and see them as future stars. But, since they're associated with Trips, or because he thinks they have it, everybody dismisses these two. Vince is about money. Period. If they didn't have a plan with this, well, I'd be shocked. It isn't fucking TNA where they just book crazy shit to book it. I think this is setting up something big for the jan. 4th raw. Just enjoy new stars being made. That's what most of you bitch all the time about, yet when it happens, you say it's too fast. Or, he's not the one you want. If the iwc had it's way, we'd be watching evan bourne and shelton benjamin for the world title each ppv. Maybe a triple threat with chavo? Wouldn't that be exciting.

All in all, this is a shocker. I am also very intrigued to see where they go with this. I hope cena doesn't win it back monday night. It may happen. While i'd be disapointed if that were to occur, it's probably likely. Maybe not though. It just never seems to amaze me that some of you bitch about one thing, and when it happens and someone new has the belt, you all bitch about that too. And really, sheamus isn't too bad of a worker. The guys got a ton of potential. Is he my favorite? No. Do i wish someone else had the belt? Yes. But that doesn't mean this is a stupid decision. This guys gonna be a star. So, maybe now you can all throw a bitch fit about how sheamus has the belt. Have fun bitching. That's all some of you do. Assholes.
 
Wow.. The hate people have for Cena is clouding ALL your logic..

If this was ANY other champion other than Cena, then people would be spamming up a STORM about how ONCE AGAIN a muscle head gets the title. But because it's Cena, people are jumping on the wagon. BULLSHIT.

There are a TON of NEW, YOUNG, and PROVEN talent that deserves that title. Sheamus hasn't proved ANYTHING other than some mic skills, and that's it. Have we SEEN more than 5 matches from this guy? The WWE title is given to someone who is ready to carry the company on his back.

So Sheamus has shown more credibility of being a champ then Christian, Miz, Carlito, DIBIASE, and MVP? That's just a HANDFULL of people to just name off.

And because he's HHH's workout buddy, he gets the title?? I'm sorry, this is a disgrace to the WWE championship. Oh and btw, before anyone talks shit about Cena, at least Cena drops the title to anyone the company says, unlike some that bitch, complain, and moan about their spot.

I'm sorry, but finding this out, made me absolutely cringe. This is bullshit.
 
Ok, so wwe decides to put the belt on someone young, someone new, someone who isn't cena, hhh, or orton and it amazes me that all these people who bitch about new blood being in the main event are now pissed that sheamus has the belt. Wtf? I've been suspicious that some of you posters just bitch for the sake of bitching and now i know it's true. Maybe if Morrisson somehow weaseled his way into that match and won everyone would be happy since he's the iwc's golden boy, or maybe that piece of shit shelton benjamin. Seriously, it would take the fucking rock and austin making full time comebacks to make some of you happy.

Maybe we need to just sit back and watch what creative has planned for this. Did anyone see kofi being in line for the push he's recieved recently, no. And, if you say you did, you're full of shit. Sheamus is pretty good in the ring and not too bad on the mic. Yeah, he's green and it's probably too soon for him to carry the main title on the A show. But maybe this guy will be given a the chance to run with it, and hopefully he shines. This shit about McIntyre and Sheamus being HHH's boys and that's the only reason they won tonight is ridiculous. Both of these guys are talented as fuck. I'd be willing to bet that without the internet, most of you would like their work and see them as future stars. But, since they're associated with Trips, or because he thinks they have it, everybody dismisses these two. Vince is about money. Period. If they didn't have a plan with this, well, I'd be shocked. It isn't fucking TNA where they just book crazy shit to book it. I think this is setting up something big for the jan. 4th raw. Just enjoy new stars being made. That's what most of you bitch all the time about, yet when it happens, you say it's too fast. Or, he's not the one you want. If the iwc had it's way, we'd be watching evan bourne and shelton benjamin for the world title each ppv. Maybe a triple threat with chavo? Wouldn't that be exciting.

All in all, this is a shocker. I am also very intrigued to see where they go with this. I hope cena doesn't win it back monday night. It may happen. While i'd be disapointed if that were to occur, it's probably likely. Maybe not though. It just never seems to amaze me that some of you bitch about one thing, and when it happens and someone new has the belt, you all bitch about that too. And really, sheamus isn't too bad of a worker. The guys got a ton of potential. Is he my favorite? No. Do i wish someone else had the belt? Yes. But that doesn't mean this is a stupid decision. This guys gonna be a star. So, maybe now you can all throw a bitch fit about how sheamus has the belt. Have fun bitching. That's all some of you do. Assholes.


Talented as FUCK? What are you watching?

I too agree that people bitch for no reason anymore.. But what are you watching to think he's talented as fuck?

Let's just say he IS that talented... Well, the lets SEE it before we give this guy the BIGGEST REWARD IN ALL PRO WRESTLING.

Brock Lesnar, who's talented as fuck, at least SHOWED he was a menace to the WWE. Let Sheamus show what he's about and then have him fight Cena.

I would COMPLETELY backk you up, if this thread was 6 months for now, and that Sheamus actually PROVED himself.

And the reason people associate it with HHH because the SAME SHIT happens when it involves HHH.. You are involved with him, you succeed. Just accept it.
 
I'm all for the "sit back & see where creative goes" approach. I think it would be pointless to make this a Kane-like reign. Shemus' win kinda reminds me of when Orton beat Benoit for the belt. It was a surprise and many thought Benoit would regain the belt in the rematch the next night. Didn't happen. WWE could go that route with Shemus.

I hope this doesn't turn into something similar to CM Punk's pathetic reigns. I think the fact that Shemus hasn't beaten anybody worthwhile before this win makes for a great storyline in that now the locker room will be gunning for him thinking that his win is a fluke only to find out that he can kick ass in the ring. That would help build his credibility as a champ especially if he can get wins over the mid and top of the card. Imagine what a win over Orton or HHH would do for his legitimacy.

WWE has to have something positive in mind for him otherwise this move would merely seem desperate. I'm not a fan of such early pushes because of the negative end results that we've seen in the past, but let's give Shemus a chance to sink or swim. He may be a pleasant surprise.
 
I think we're gonna see a WWE title match on RAW either tomorrow night or on the 28th with Sheamus going over Cena again. Then i think on January 4th we get Orton vs. Sheamus for the title and RKO getting the belt back leading to a Orton vs. Sheamus vs. Cena triple threat at the Rumble,for the record i don't see any of these 3 walking into WM with the gold.But all speculating aside i am so happy to see Cena drop the belt to another first time champ although it might not be deserved.
 
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