Bernkastel
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Uh, no. You missed the point entirely. In no way does that demonstrate that Rock was a bigger draw.
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Uh, no. You missed the point entirely. In no way does that demonstrate that Rock was a bigger draw.
BestSportsEntertainer
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You do realize that would still be part-time Rock? Not that it matters.
WrestleMania 28 had a lower buyrate because it was much less predictable. HHH vs. Taker inside a Cell and ONCE in a Lifetime.
WrestleMania 29 was too obvious. There was no way Cena would go 0-2 against Rock, and there was no way Lesnar would retire HHH.
Or maybe people didn't want to see two rematches in Lesnar vs HHH and Cena vs Rock. HHH vs Punk and Lesnar vs Rock would've drawn way more, but nope Cena just HAD to get his win back when his legacy was already established.
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Great.... We have two kids who obviously don't know enough about how wrestling works trying to tell the rest of us what we should like or dislike. The point is, Cena draws. Weather you two pieces of shit like it or not, Cena draws MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!
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You do realize that period is the longest stretch WWE had The Rock so it is the closest thing we have to "knowing" how strong of a full time draw he would be post Attitude Era?
You mean HHH/Taker III, an undercard repeat of a match.
If you are seriously trying to tell me you or more than a few others thought Rock would beat Cena at WM 28, I am calling you a liar. That result was shocking.
I'm not sure how in one post you can sing the hypothetical praises of full time Rock, HHH, and Lesnar and then in this post point out how poorly they drew for WM 29.
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Seriously, this is ridiculous, I don't even like Cena and you guys are so foolish, you make me defend him. Face facts, he is in the position he is in because he makes Vince money.
BTW, Crocker - do you think you are a better poster than BSE? Because you would be wrong. He is better than you.
You're really bad at reading comprehension aren't you? I have stated several times that Cena is the biggest FULL-TIME draw, but he is NOT the biggest draw OVERALL.
Why are you calling Rock "full time"? He was never full time for the past 5 years.. Wrestlemania 29 he was not working a "full time" schedule.. he only showed up on 3 Raw's on the road to Wresltmania 29 I believe.. he showed up even more on Wrestlemania 28. I remember very clearly that the buildup for WM 28 Rock vs Cena was much better because Rock showed up more. So Rock was never "full time" like you think he is. That's probably why WM 29 buyrate was lower, because Rock didn't show up as much, matchups were predictable, and buildup was worse
I know Cena's a huge draw, nobody is denying that, but you're literally trying to say he's the biggest draw of all time, and that simply isn't true. Rock and Lesnar are way bigger draws.
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BSE can not read either but that is not one of the reason's BSE is a better poster than you.
No counter argument = I am right and you are wrong
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By stating that BSE is better than you, I am countering everything you have ever stated as being wrong or obnoxious or pointless. You last post was all three.
Bernkastel
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No they aren't.
Rock is but one position ahead of Cena. The list was done to normalize between hot and cold periods in the industry, celebrates longevity, and gives precedence to those that completely carried the industry.
You know, I've been on vacation for the last couple of weeks and I guess while on vacation, you tend to lose track of your sense of time. But I could have sworn today was Friday, August 7.
BestSportsEntertainer
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Ok, you seem to believe Cena is the greater draw. Perhaps he is. I don't know.
What about his crowd reactions though? He's hated by a LOT of fans. You can't deny that.
What about his crowd reactions though? He's hated by a LOT of fans. You can't deny that.
You said it yourself, that list celebrates LONGETIVITY, considering Rock has been with the company a lot less than Cena, and is still above Cena says a lot.. Brock would've been a lot higher on the list if he didn't quit early. That still doesn't prove that Cena is the biggest draw of all time. He's a big draw, but not the BIGGEST
Also why are we arguing so much about drawing power? We know you like Cena, but using his merchandise sales and numbers doesn't prove that he's entertaining... listen to his crowd reactions, half the crowd boos him because they're sick of his character.. the reason he sells so much is because children beg their parents to buy merchandise, which creates a lot of revenue. On the other hand, the older fans don't spend money on the product. They're smart enough to stream PPVS, not spend money on unnecessary stuff, etc..
So yes, Cena is a massive draw due to most of his fanbase being kids, but that doesn't mean he's entertaining to most of the audience. People who appeal to kid usually make more money because they are more willing to spend their parents hard earned money on unnecessary things
Also why are we arguing so much about drawing power? We know you like Cena, but using his merchandise sales and numbers doesn't prove that he's entertaining... listen to his crowd reactions, half the crowd boos him because they're sick of his character.. the reason he sells so much is because children beg their parents to buy merchandise, which creates a lot of revenue. On the other hand, the older fans don't spend money on the product. They're smart enough to stream PPVS, not spend money on unnecessary stuff, etc..
So yes, Cena is a massive draw due to most of his fanbase being kids, but that doesn't mean he's entertaining to most of the audience. People who appeal to kid usually make more money because they are more willing to spend their parents hard earned money on unnecessary things
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When did anyone deny that? I don't think it is 50% but there are clearly a decent number of fans that hate him, others that don't hate him but like booing him or chanting "Cena sucks", others that can't be bothered and enough that love him to the point where it hasn't made any financial sense to change his booking.
But in the end crowd reactions don't pay the bills. Money pays the bills.
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And maybe thats why he hasnt changed his character, because the PAYING audience likes his character or is indifferent to it.
You are honestly a ******, every thread I see you in it seems you are crying about Cena. I hope Cena wins at Summerslam has Sheamus cash in on him then Cena uses his rematch clause, wins that as well and goes on and breaks Bruno's record just so I can sit here and watch you explode. You are a fucking embarrassment and one of the reasons why people are ashamed to admit that they are fans of wrestling. KY
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Sheesh man, calm down. Ok, let's break this down.
60% of the audience likes his character. That's great, but what about the other 40% of the audience that hate Cena? Sure, Cena brings in the money, but what if instead of trying to make Cena look so strong, instead WWE pulled the trigger on the up-and-comers? Have Owens pin Cena clean for the US Title. That establishes Owens as someone who is a different, unique, and talented mega star. Owens has the mic skills, charisma, personality, character, in-ring skills, and everything it takes to be a main eventer. In the end, he's just yet another guy who couldn't beat Cena. Why? Because WWE wants to keep Cena looking strong. He could lose 100 matches in a row, not that he should, and still look strong because he's John Cena.
To thrive in any business or company, you have to evolve and do something different. Cena has had the same character for 10+ years and almost never looks weak. He's portrayed as an underdog, but everyone knows he's invincible. It's just extremely stale at this point. He needs to change at least a little.
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Where are all of these bullshit statistics coming from? 60% like Cena? Half the crowd boos him? Most men dislike Cena? Where do you guys get your sources?
Here's an idea. Maybe those people booing Cena do it for the same reason they did it in 2007- because it was "cool" and it makes them feel like they're fitting in? Hell I've been to a live show and chanted "Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks" because shockingly enough chanting anything in an arena is fun. You feel like you're part of the show, and you are. If people are booing Cena it doesn't necessarily mean they dislike Cena.
Merchandise sales and attendance records are a better way to calculate whether or not the majority like Cena. They do.
Here's an idea. Maybe those people booing Cena do it for the same reason they did it in 2007- because it was "cool" and it makes them feel like they're fitting in? Hell I've been to a live show and chanted "Let's Go Cena/Cena Sucks" because shockingly enough chanting anything in an arena is fun. You feel like you're part of the show, and you are. If people are booing Cena it doesn't necessarily mean they dislike Cena.
Merchandise sales and attendance records are a better way to calculate whether or not the majority like Cena. They do.
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