Raw Champions Discussion Thread

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

The Animal lost his title, that he strived so long to reclaim in 8 days..............

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH BITCH!

There is a God.

There was something odd about having a title change at Unforgiven followed a week later by a Steel Cage title match, and then have the exact same thing happen again the following month. I did hope that WWE would pull a swerve and put the belt back on Jericho, but thought that it would be the least likely outcome for this match.

I momentarily became the Cheshire cat once i read the results just now.

That's 2 Jericho title swerves that i stand up and give a round of applause to. I just hope and prey that he gets past Cena as well. The only thing worse than another Batista title reign for me is another Super-Cena title reign.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

No idea what in the shit is going on here. Why switch it back to Jeritron??? No idea. my only possible explanation for the scenario we have seen unfold over the last few weeks, is possibly they saw that Batista's ONE WEEK as champ did fuck all for the ratings, and decided to go ahead with a Cena-Jeritron match for the PPV, when they may have had different plans for Cena if Batista had caused a ratings boost. Truly all I can think of for this. either way, I cant see Jericho holding it past Survivor Series, as they will most likely go with their proven draw in Cena.

Still love the Honky Meter, and Glamarella. Both are elevating their prospective titles, and there was even a battle royal for a number 1 contender spot for next week to get a shot at Santino.

What the fuck?? Kofi and Punk?? tag champs?? really??? Ugh. JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE. they stop usuing real teams again. Alas. No idea what they are doing besides havig Punk and Kofi in a holding pattern in a feeble attempt to make them still seem relevant. as if the tag titles do THAT...

 

[Dead Kennedy]

World Heavyweight Champion: Chris Jericho

Okay, so now I have no idea what's happening here. Another week-long reign for Batista? Not that I'm complaining in the slightest, mind you, but what the hell are they trying to do here? Okay, so by now it's fairly obvious that this is only setting Jericho up for a future job 'n drop to Cena but they should have just skipped the Batista title change and maintain his reign up until Survivor Series.

Either way, I'm glad to see one of Raw's top workers getting his GODDAMN TORCH BACK to quote JBL. If it is only for a short while. Ah well.

World Tag Team Champions: CM Punk & Kofi Kingston

Yeah, this I was not very happy about. It seems like the Priceless 2nd Generation Stable is constantly getting their momentum killed whenever they start getting somewhere. First it was Batista and Cena, now this. Not that I mind, Punk and Kofi are both exceptional workers but this doesn't help Priceless at all. Seems to me like they're trying to kill the 2nd Generation Stable. Sucks, but I'd actually much rather see Ted DiBiase, the Priceless MVP try his hand in singles action as Priceless didn't work out as well as it could have.

Either way, ONCE THEY ACTUALLY START TEAMING TOGETHER this could be a good reign. At least Punk will get the chance to run with a title more within his jurisdiction and skill level and Kofi gets another well-deserved title reign. They're a pretty good team, but I would greatly prefer that Priceless didn't get their noses rubbed in it every single time. That does not a great stable make.

 

[mcflyboy]

Personally, I think it was good that the title switched back to jericho, for the simple fact that no one saw it coming. Everyone expected batista to retain, a sentiment which is echoed by reading through this thread. It's about time that WWE do something completely unexpected.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It might have surprised some people, even most people. But it was pointless. It didn't achieve a thing. It doesn't make Jericho look better because he won the title back. It makes him look weak because he lost it, and it did the same to Batista. Both will recover. But it doesn't help the prestige of the title.

If WWE wanted to surprise fans, then they could have Cody Rhodes win the title instead.

 

[a7xoff]

Not for nothing, but what was the point in having Jericho win back the title? I mean seriously he lost it to Batista just to win it back 8 days later. It did not make Jericho look any better, nor did it help Batista. If anything it made Batista look weak since he just beat Jericho 8 days later. I was not surprised that they gave the title back to Jericho, but I was surprised that they gave it to Batista in the first place. I mean what was the point in that? I'm guessing that Cena will take the title at Survivor Series have a rematch at the Rumble, and I'm going to go with either Batista wins the Rumble, or a SD! guy wins it. Either way, Batista vs Cena 2 at Mania

 

[scsu01]

Women's Champion Beth Phoenix

Since Melina just returned to action this past weekend down in FCW, I really feel and hope the WWE will wait for her and start back the feud she had during the summer with Beth. Kelly Kelly is not a credible contender at this point. Sure, she got some lucky wins, but no one is going to realistically believe she will beat Beth without major distraction. At this point, in reality, only Mickie and Melina on the face roster can credibly beat Beth with no help. Candice is just now getting back to being where she was a year ago, but the WWE jacked her up and she came back with alot of ring rust. The match Mickie and Beth had this past Monday was ridiculous and not even close to the good matches they've had before. I hope Gail will go to SD because they need all the help they can get. Alot of people are waiting for Melina, who was fortunate to have a good face turn going until she got injured. I think she and Beth can have a nice long feud between them. Beth should just stick with Glamarella for now.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I am so glad that Cena is champ again. Unlike many of yall, I actually WANT to see what the world heavyweight title would look like if it spun. That's my opinion, if you don't like it we can agree to disagree. That aside, I look forward to another great reign with Cena on top. He is the best they have right now (and arguably my favorite), maybe now Raw won't suck anymore. Let's hope so.

 

[The Undercover Man]

I am also of the minority that is glad Cena is champion, i like the guy. He's a hard worker and clearly cares about what he does in the WWE, whether its entertaining fans or representing WWE in a charity appearance. John Cena deserves all the plaudits, he truly is a great man and is a good champion. Some haters may say he's boring but he makes money, has plenty of fans...and the list could go on. Hopefully cena will make RAW a bit more exciting instead of seeing Batista or Jericho with the mic for 20 minutes at a time. I think this title reign by Cena will be a alot better then on previous occasions.

I wonder who Cena can feud with, i bet it will be either Batista or Jericho but i hope we see someone else in the title picture, someone fresh, someone funny....Hows about Santino Marella?....

 

[CCS]

World Heavyweight Champion : John Cena I'm exhited about his upcoming reign , But im disappointed that Jericho's reign ended so fast. Cena will have a great reign as world champion....again. Hopefully he wont have another 15 months reign but i gurantee at least a 5 month reign. He should have some good feuds along the way too. Overall i think he's the best option to be World champion right now.


Intercontinental Champion : William Regal I'm realy not too interested in his reign. He usualy bores me in the ring and was only realy good when he was GM. I would have rather seen Santino still be champ , But i can live with Regal. Hopefully he'll drop the belt soon to Rey Mysterio or Cody Rhodes. But untill then i'll be bored to death by his matches.


World Tag Team Champions : CM Punk and Kofi Kingston This team is destined to be broken up. They'll lose the titles to some random team on Raw and i wont care. They woulda been better off with Cryme Tyme as the champions. I forsee Miz and Morrison bieng the champs before wrestlemania.

 

[Shocky]

World Heavyweight Champion: Thank You John Cena, now do something with it please. The Raw Main Event scene is stacked, well once you get rid of the deadweight in HBK, JBL, Kane and Mysterio it would be even better. Batista and Orton right now are going to have a solid feud over the eventual #1 contendership. I'm of the opinion that I don't really mind either Orton or Batista vs. Cena at Mania. No to the Triple Threat, they aren't needed and take away from Mania matches. Preferably I would rather see Cena vs. Orton, as I believe that these two are the future of the company, not Dave.

IC Title: Still disapointed that Regal is the IC champion. I just don't understand this move. You ahve a heel midcard champion over on Smackdown that is essentially the same character. Santino brought tangable hatred to his reign by cheating and weasling his way out of every fight possible, now it's on the verge of going down the dumper again.

Tag Titles: Kingston and Punk are a good team. Plus, what do you have to lose by keeping the titles on these guys. Now I would have loved to have seen Priceless hold the titles much longer, but I'm fine with it. The belts stay off of Cryme Tyme, who still have yet to impress in their return to the company.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

World Champ: John Cena. This obviously had to happen. The ratings have been tanking a while and Cena is the biggest name in the company so if anyone should be able to boost the ratings it is him. Cena on top is the safest bet for the WWE and makes the most sense. I think he may have a feud with Jericho for a while just as a hold over until he feuds with Orton & Batista. I'm glad Cena is champ, as long as he doesn't become "superman" again.

IC Title: William Regal: While I'm still upset that Santino isn't champion, I think Regal will make a decent champion. People shouldn't forget that before he was suspended Regal was one off the most hated guys on Raw. He was getting massive amounts of heel heat so if he keeps it up he could do good things with the belt. I just hope he has some good feuds, possibly with Punk, Kofi, or even DLo. If the WWE allows regal mic time he should be able to make the IC title look legit(just like Santino did).

 

[DetectiveZelix]

First off, Mysterio fan, nice sig.

Raw Champions

World Heaveyweight Champion:
John Cena

I am not surprised that they gave him the belt but very upset seeing as how there was no natural build and IMO Batista won the contenders match so cena wasnt suppose to be contender. I think Cena as champ will bring higher ratings cus the majority of the WWE fanbase likes cena, which are mostly children and women, so thats that. As far as his championship quality, he's definently championship material as he proved during his fued with edge but as of now i would hope for a tough road for Cena seeing as how i still dont think hes one of the big dogs I want to see impressive matches out of him with him being more impressive i have yet to see that, maybe once against bobby lashely or rather twice against great Khali but if hes gonna be champion he should be consistent.


Intercontinental Chamoion:
William Regal

Very deserving as he is a veteran of the game and has a unique wrestling ability and style, but hasnt been defending it as of late, I'd like to see him bring prestige to the title by defending it often and hopefully retaining it


Tag Team Champions:
CM Punk and Kofi Kingston

Two of WWE's most talented and unique wrestlers in this modern day fit well as a team and deserve the titles they hold, now all they need are more fitting opponents


Womens Champion:
Beth Phoenix

Impressive as she is, I want to see her defend the belt more and build rivalries I havent seen a good rivalry for the womes title since Lita and trish left, but I think in time we will learn why Beth Phienix deserves the womens championship, though Melina may be close to taking it

 

[RBH]

I for one am actually happy that Cena is the champ again. He has not held it in a year. I just hope the title reign does not last a year. I did not really like Trips long reign either. I do not believe faces should have long title runs. It even seems like Cena has more fans, much way more fans now. I think this John Cena is gonna be a great champ and hopefully get the ratings out of the jam. Chris Jericho has been champ twice in the last month. Imagine if Jericho wins again, that would be totally unpredictable. Still, I believe a solid title reign is like 3-6 months. Because 3-4 months is usually a solid feud. They need to start builiding the feud for the title at Mania now.

Beth Phoenix is a good women's champ. I am interested to see if they really are waiting on Melina to come back and then make the womens division interesting again with the Melina-Beth feud. Those two work well together and you know Melina would be face again. Maybe she can team with Batista (since he did screw her literally once before lol).

 

[a7xoff]

World Heavyweight Champion: John Cena
For the first time I can actually say that Cena winning the title did not piss me off at all. I was just a little let down that there was no real element of surprise, right from the get go you could tell that somehow he would win it. The match was decent outside of Cena basically being dominated in the neck only to put mass strain on it himself. Now that stuff is in the past so what to look forward too? As expected Jericho won the number one contendership. If last nights Raw was any indication, I expect a no holds barred match or something like that.

Cena as champ right now could be a step in the right direction for WWE. Everyone knows that the guy sells, so why not give him the belt and see what happens. Mania is not all that far off and one can only assume that we'll be seeing Cena vs Batista for the title which should be one Hell of a main event.

 

[Edgeheadfan]

John Cena- Well let just clear one thing up people the title cena is holding has no value or History I mean it was basically made because back in 2002 they had so many main eventers that they couldn't have them all go after the WWE title so saying that Cena destroy the history of this title is kinda of pointless since it has none.

William Regal- See this is how the IC champ should be strong powerfull and not jobbing to the fans needs

CM Punk and Kofi Kingston- It make sense Hopefully they hold them for a year that would be great

Beth Phoenix- The best thing to ever happen to this title since mickie james came along my only problem is she going to drop the title to a clone of Trish and that the last thing we need is a other Trish Stratus

 

[Y 2 Jake]

John Cena- Well let just clear one thing up people the title cena is holding has no value or History I mean it was basically made because back in 2002 they had so many main eventers that they couldn't have them all go after the WWE title so saying that Cena destroy the history of this title is kinda of pointless since it has none.

Well it does have history, 6 years of it.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/history

Yeah, I'm right. It totally has a history. Not as intresting as the WWE Championship. But a history none the less.

William Regal- See this is how the IC champ should be strong powerfull and not jobbing to the fans needs

Just jobbing to CM Punk in 10 seconds.

CM Punk and Kofi Kingston- It make sense Hopefully they hold them for a year that would be great

They could hold the titles for a whole year, but without a tag division it won't make any difference.

The team is likely to break up anyway once Punk get's the IC title.

Beth Phoenix- The best thing to ever happen to this title since mickie james came along my only problem is she going to drop the title to a clone of Trish and that the last thing we need is a other Trish Stratus

The only female on the roster than can be described as a Trish Stratus clone is probably Mickie James. Can the other females on Raw really be clones if they have different colour hair? Or whisper it, a different race?

Anyway the best thing to happen to the Women's Title was Santino.

 

[Kyphael]

John Cena: No obstacles left to overcome. We all know any heel he faces between now and Backlash he will overcome with probable ease. Why? None of the heels he faces from now until then, whether it's Orton, whether it's Jericho, whether it's JBL, are ever smart enough to learn anything from their past encounters. They know they can't hang toe-to-toe with Cena, so instead of the doing the logical thing and forming a stable to outnumber Cena and beat the shit out of him, they continue to chase him one on one. How much sense does that make? "Oh hey, I know you just beat my ass one on one last night, even though you just came back and I'm at the top of my game, beating top contenders left and right. You must be incinvislble, so like the smart heel I am, I'll continue to chase after you and the title by myself, instead of brainwashing some young, impressionable heels backstage to help me beat your ass and soften you up." WWE creative have no idea how to tell GOOD stories anymore.

William Regal: The guy is a veteran and this is only his second title reign? REALLY? Even guys like Santino Marella, Goldust and Val Venis who never have and never will go further have more. Not saying Regal will ever go further either, but still. Anyway, he could be a good champion, if written well, but he won't be and the title will still be meaningless during his title reign and the title reign of whoever he drops it to because no one does anything different anymore.

Beth Phoenix: The champions are only as strong as their contenders. Beth has none so she's a paper champion. Melina returned, but I'm not sure even she can be built up into a viable contender, unless she does something along the lines of breaking Jillian Hall's jaw (kayfabe) or put Katie Lea in the hospital (both obvious lackeys under Phoenix.)

Tag champs? What tag champs? THERE'S NO FUCKING DIVISION! Gone are even the less glorious days of The Bashams and La Resistance. There are no tag teams on RAW anymore. What Punk and Kofi carry around is just a prop; a shell of what it once was, it has history but no meaning anymore.

 

[DetectiveZelix]

I think both of you make interesting points, Kyphael you are a bit brusque, but blunt and y 2Jake seem to kind of sugarcote was is already there, as for the contenders forming a stable, I say no, because that makes for less intersting storylines, besides the way wwe seels cena he'd peobably kick all of their asses in one

 

[Kyphael]

I must disagree; stables can make for very good storylines. Just look at some of the impacts they've had on wrestling shows throughout the decades. Four Horsemen? Heenan's Family in the Rock'n Wrestling era? The nWo over ad WCW and DX over at the WWF during the Monday Night Wars? The McMahon/Helmsley regime of 2000? Arguably the best year ever in wrestling in terms of story-telling. Crash TV at its best, you never knew what to expect. When a facion becomes so vast and powerful, a protagonist (that's Hogan or The Rock) or even an anti-hero (Austin) must rise up and fight an uphill battle, all while garnering support from the fans. When there is a title on the line, even better because it's the hero's reward at the of a long, arduous journey and the fans (spectators) will be behind the hero that much more after he finally gets that brass ring (Hardy anyone?)

This is basic story-telling 101. It's what we're made of; why we read books, or watch movies. Want, needs, obstacle and action. That's what a good story needs and what wrestling is lacking. Cena wanted the title and he feels he needs it because he wants to represent the fans. The obstacle was Jericho, Cena acted to rise up and defy Jericho, but he got the title with relative ease. There was no struggle and now Cena coasts on a victory; even beating Jericho to a pulp to make matters worse the following night, deminishing any sort of threat Jericho still posed. If the antagonist no longer poses a threat and there is no other threat for Cena in the foreseeable future due to the predictability of the WWE and its creative team. When the hero is coasting, so are we. We lose interest in the hero, become bored, which explains why the "Cena sucks" chants begin after Cena appears unstoppable. Cena himself sort of becomes an antagonist when he's portrayed as invincible, as if he's holding the title hostage, so the fans turn on him, wanting someone else to rise up and defeat him because we thrive on that conflict. Even conflict, not uneven battles.

Unless creative does something drastic in terms of a challenge for Cena in the upcoming weeks, he'll get start getting jeered out of the building so fast, it'll make his belt spin.

 

[DetectiveZelix]

While I must agree mwith everything you said about cena because i feel I am in the same boat with you on that subject, Stabkes are great like evolution and four horsemen and so fourth but what I was doing was trying to imagine all of cenas contenders as you said forming a stable to overpower himif thats what you meant, that doesnt fly well with me, i mean when evolution did it was was okay mainly because there were so many top heel faces in the biz that could support the face being targeted by the heel stable vs. Now it seems Cena is a loner, there are ppl that would tag with him like cryme tyme, kofi kingston in such but theyre all midcarders while cena is a mian eventer and top player i want to call him overdone goody 2 shoes hero that will get booed byt he very ppl he fights for because the fans are looking for more of an "I dont care" austin type.

But anyways before I go off on a tangeant about cena my orgional argument was theres so one to fight the battle with cena and the heel stable will most likely either dominate wwek after week like evolution and become boring or superman will kick all of their asses and make the group look weak which always happens with cena (anyone remember coach teaming with umaga, johnny nitro and vince, while kevin federline was at the announce table, cena dominated all of them and still kicked K-feds ass that night with no help, all by himself) which made umaga look like paper, nitro look like paper and the devious vince mcmahon look like nothing and cena still enough energy to F U Kfed...i dont know but tooo me thats an example of the latter.

If you can give me a scenario in which the idea of say Orton, Y2j, and Batista who all want cena's title form a stable and go after cena would work, I'd like to see it, because I cant picture it working out well entertainment wise. im not trying to fight with u I just want you to show me how it would work, perhaps give me some ideas

 

[The Undercover Man]

John Cena: On RAW last week he looked as if he was literatly "spoilin' for a fight", He took apart Jericho at the end and and looked as if the old Cena was back. Some that does'nt take no crap and some that respects the fans and his supporters. I like him as champion, he brings a breath of fresh air in my opinion. Ok, he did have a ridiculously long reign a few years back and admittedly that was broing but this reign,i can see lasting a few months and not being so lacklustre. i disliked the announcement that Cena and Jericho were going to face off at Armageddon just hours after Cena won the belt, it does'nt seem right that he has to defend the belt in a few weeks time. Cena tells excellent stories in his promos and he also knows how to "WOW" the crowd by doing moves at a certain time during a match.

Kofi Kingston and CM Punk: These two tag champions just don't see credible together, the seem as if they have just been pushed together and not "molded" as a Tag team. The arguement could be that Kingston and Punk are good friends after the Randy Orton headpunt, to Punk at No Mercy and Kingston trying to help out. To me its a poor combination of a tag team, there is no difference between the two. There is no brute force and its just a horrible tag team. This is worse then the Colon's situation on Smackdown

 

[Kyphael]

While I do agree that Kofi and Punk is a bad pairing, I have to disagree on the Colons. They are real brothers, unlike some of the brother pairings WWE has made over the years that weren't really brothers. The Colons remind me of Los Guerreros, (I know they weren't brothers but they were family) which gives them potential. Like Eddie, Carlito is charismatic and great in the ring, while Primo is more down to Chavo's level. Nevertheless, two young, exciting hispanic wrestlers who can go nowhere but up.

 

[RBH]

Kofi and CM Punk are tag champs brought together by a common enemies so it makes perfect sense for them to be tag champs. Tag teams do not have to be buddies from the start...many of the best tag teams were formed out of 2 people with a common enemy and a common goal. I believe that these guys are doing a decent job holding their own as tag team champs.

Beth Phoenix is a good womens champ. She holds the title with great value and makes the belt look better and makes the division look a little stronger, with Melina being back, it just made the title even more valuable as you know she is going to want to go right after it. She is a good champ right now.

 

[klunderbunker]

Cena as WHC is a massive upgrade from Batista and Jericho passing it back and forth. They put on some ok matches, but at the end of the day the feud had run its course and Jericho was out of people to fight for it. Cena has an all new lineup of feuds now, and should have a decent title reign.

Beth as Women's champion is just what the name says: she's the champion, which means very little. She's keeping it warm for Melina, and her reign will get old in three months, and she'll pass it onto probably Mickie or Jillian. That's the problem with that belt: no one stands out.

Regal as IC champion doesn't do much for me as it's pretty clear that he'll lose it after a short feud with the winner of the tournament. Regal winning was a nice break from Santino's reign of awfulness, and since Regal can almost always put on a good to more than good match, whomever he faces will get a good match/feud going for the belt.

CM and Kofi are about as worthless as tag champions as you can get. It's a waste of both of their talents to have them stuck with each other defending the belts once a month. The tag titles on Raw have been like this for a long time though, as the competition simply isn't there for a good division.