[Official] TNA TV Shows Aftermath, Review & Ratings Thread

[Zeven_Zion]

You must have been watching a different TNA than I did because the one I saw was terrible. AJ was on top of the world and putting on great matches week after week. Now, he has a title no one cares about fighting people no one cares about.

Now that you mention it, no I was watching CNA.

AJ was on top of the world? When, in the beginning of 2010? That's the last time I remember AJ being on top of anything. And you're right, the TV Title is insignificant and nobody cares about Pope. Get your stupid ass outta here.

Why is EV 2.0 still here? I thought they were supposed to be gone a long time ago and now RVD is attacking people who might be turning on him. At this rate, all of EV 2.0 may turn on RVD now.

Show me where they said that they're LEAVING after Bound for Glory. Show me. That was just an IWC assumption.

We should have had Kurt go after Jeff because of what Jeff did but we didn't get that. Don't worry. We'll get it two months later.

Kurt went after the PEOPLE who FUCKED HIM OVER. Jarrett was one of them. In case you JUST started watching - Jarrett is a part of Immortal. Whem GenME attacked The Guns they didn't lay out Sabin only.

The biggest issue I have is Immortal. The payoff for this could be great but there are way too many damn people. Who is left to fight them? Anderson is injured, Joe says he's not on either side, and who knows about Angle? So that leaves Pope and RVD. I don't see any winners in this, not even Jeff Hardy.

Anderson is "injured". Dude got his dome fucked up, he didn't break his spine. It's not a serious injury.

Joe NEVER said that he's on EITHER side, he said he's fighting ALONE. Get your facts straight.

Who knows about Angle? Are you a fucking MORON? Angle was the guy who got the shit kicked out of him last week BY Immortal. He was the guy who fucked up Bischoff and Flair's limo. If that means that he's not against them I don't know what is.

Yes, we WERE watching different shows.

 

[The Main Event]

taz said it best in he's twitter , if u don't wanna get entertained then ur not gonna like the show ... like some guys here that think dashing segments of stupid cody rhodes is better than impact !!!!
impact was Awesome last night ! i give u guys an advise here ... saw the show for ur self and enojy every second of it .... not like someguys here that watch every second to find sth to bash TNA with it ! kina like mark madden ? don'cha ?!!

 

[hatehabsforever]

The overall quality, or lack thereof, of TNA iMPACT last night was so poor that to be honest, I couldn't even be bothered to do a match by match or segment by segment detailed analysis of it. In the weeks or even months leading up to BFG, I was watching TNA pretty regularly, and despite its numerous flaws and shortcomings, I was determined to stick it out. After all, "they" were coming, right, and the payoff at BFG would be worth all of the Tylenol I had to take to make it through months of TNA programming. When BFG fizzled and flopped, failing to even attempt to follow through on the hype and hooplah, and instead, went with an obvious "plan B" fallback scenario which has caused me to lose all interest in TNA altogether, I pretty much figured where this was all leading.

Prior to the Road to Bound For Glory, I typically could not make it through an episode of iMPACT. If I didn't fall asleep, I certainly had to change the station. And last night, I was right back there again. I attempted to watch, but by the time I made it to Jarrett, I had had enough and flipped over to the NLCS. For all intents and purposes, I think I am done with TNA Wrestling. After the tremendous letdown of BFG, combined with the follow up to it and the apparent direction we are headed in, that's it for me.

A mole within EV2.0? Is this supposed to make for compelling television? Personally I think every guy on EV2.0 has overstayed their welcomes (some by several years), so any storyline involving any of them will not entice me to watch.

Robbie versus Amazing Red. The only thing amazing here is the amount of flipping he does in the ring for no purpose whatsoever, and the fact that Robbie, after one poor match and several lousy promos. will probably be in line for an X-Division title shot in the near future. Kendrick? Don't know what the hell that was all about.

I won't even bother to go on, quite frankly it's hardly worth it. How anyone could rate this episode as an "A" is beyond me. I would taike the worst episode of RAW in the last decade, and rank it higher than last night's episode of iMPACT.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Now that you mention it, no I was watching CNA.

AJ was on top of the world? When, in the beginning of 2010? That's the last time I remember AJ being on top of anything. And you're right, the TV Title is insignificant and nobody cares about Pope. Get your stupid ass outta here.

No shit, genius. Who has Styles defended the title against? Rob Terry, D'Angelo "Pope of Suck" Dinero? The title meant nothing when it was the Legends Title, it meant nothing when it was the Global Title, and now it means even less. If Styles ever had one good feud for it, then maybe it would be different.

Name me one good thing about Pope. He's average on the mic and in the ring. He's TNA's MVP.

Show me where they said that they're LEAVING after Bound for Glory. Show me. That was just an IWC assumption.

Unless they're going to be the ones to fight Immortal, I don't see any use for them.

Kurt went after the PEOPLE who FUCKED HIM OVER. Jarrett was one of them. In case you JUST started watching - Jarrett is a part of Immortal. Whem GenME attacked The Guns they didn't lay out Sabin only.

You should do stand up.

I remember Jarrett talking about Kurt's ex-wife, Kurt being handcuffed and Jarrett beating the shit out of him. I assumed that Kurt would go after Jarrett especially during the Jeff/Joe segment where Jarrett did the same thing to Joe. Silly me.

Anderson is "injured". Dude got his dome fucked up, he didn't break his spine. It's not a serious injury.

I forgot that I don't like Anderson.

Joe NEVER said that he's on EITHER side, he said he's fighting ALONE. Get your facts straight.

Joe has done so well with fighting people alone in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he joins Immortal. Joe's known for being a turncoat.

Who knows about Angle? Are you a fucking MORON? Angle was the guy who got the shit kicked out of him last week BY Immortal. He was the guy who fucked up Bischoff and Flair's limo. If that means that he's not against them I don't know what is.

Yes, we WERE watching different shows.

So this whole retirement angle is nullified because Angle didn't get pinned? TNA is so vague with storylines and angles it is tough to figure out.

What's going to be next? RVD vs. EV 2.0. If I know TNA, it will happen.

 

[FightOwensFight]

I think my biggest issue with all the stuff TNA is doing is how they are handling Fourtune. Bischoff makes a point on Reaction to say that there is no way that he and Hogan's takeover would have worked without having Fourtune on their side. Yet, nobody in Fourtune seems to be able to win a match on their own. With NEXUS in WWE that is understandable as they are all "rookies", but Fourtune is supposed to be the cream of the crop in TNA. Former World Champ, Tag Champs, X-Division Champ (I think Kazarian held it at one point) and they need to gang up to get the win? I understand showing strength and beating people down but that should be after the match and behind the scenes. It is one thing for the heels to cheat to win (that is why you love to hate them), but I don't remember the Four Horsemen interferring with every match any of their members were in.

Also, they need to have Hardy cut some live promo's. As far as I can tell his stuff on the monitor is all taped (at least that seems to be the assumption) and we know the stuff on Reaction is taped as well. Yes, I understand that Impact! is taped but you know what I mean, live in front of the audience is what is needed.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I think my biggest issue with all the stuff TNA is doing is how they are handling Fourtune. Bischoff makes a point on Reaction to say that there is no way that he and Hogan's takeover would have worked without having Fourtune on their side. Yet, nobody in Fourtune seems to be able to win a match on their own. With NEXUS in WWE that is understandable as they are all "rookies", but Fourtune is supposed to be the cream of the crop in TNA. Former World Champ, Tag Champs, X-Division Champ (I think Kazarian held it at one point) and they need to gang up to get the win? I understand showing strength and beating people down but that should be after the match and behind the scenes. It is one thing for the heels to cheat to win (that is why you love to hate them), but I don't remember the Four Horsemen interferring with every match any of their members were in.

Also, they need to have Hardy cut some live promo's. As far as I can tell his stuff on the monitor is all taped (at least that seems to be the assumption) and we know the stuff on Reaction is taped as well. Yes, I understand that Impact! is taped but you know what I mean, live in front of the audience is what is needed.

Yeah I get where you're coming from. But then, if Fourtune is not a part of Immortal, who will be? How is this group going to seem credible of taking over an ENTIRE company when the only active wrestlers in it are Abyss, JJ and Hardy? What happens then? Turn Fourtune face and absolutely kill Immortal? That's seven guys against three. If they're not heels, they'll be faces.

Joe joining Immortal would make sense only if it happens a month or two from now.

Who else can join Immortal and make it a force to be reckoned with? Noone. Fourtune was the only way to go. TNA's got PLENTY of faces to go against them.

Immortal - JJ, Hardy, Abyss, AJ, Matt Morgan, Doug Williams, Kazarian, Roode, Storm ( hope I didn't miss anybody ). 9 guys.

Faces - Shelley, Sabin, Kendrick, Pope, Joe, Lethal, Shannon Moore, Jesse Neal, Angle, RVD, Anderson 11 guys.

Any nine guys of the faces going up against Immortal will be exciting. The faces are all great, young, athletic guys that can really go. Same goes for Immortal. Immortal has the mic work done, they've got Flair, Bischoff, JJ and Abyss to cut promos for them. Pope, Angle, Anderson and maybe The Guns also have the ability to cut some good promos and stand toe to toe with Immortal on the mic.

Have Immortal torture the TNA roster for a while, piss people off, have a real take over, "injure" someone, do twists, turns, little interesting things, form an anti-Immortal stable, have them go at it. Feuds like this can turn very compelling.

TNA has the guys to do it. People who bitch that TNA has no faces are full of shit. Clearly they do.

 

[snoopy]

No shit, genius. Who has Styles defended the title against? Rob Terry, D'Angelo "Pope of Suck" Dinero? The title meant nothing when it was the Legends Title, it meant nothing when it was the Global Title, and now it means even less. If Styles ever had one good feud for it, then maybe it would be different.

Name me one good thing about Pope. He's average on the mic and in the ring. He's TNA's MVP.







Unless they're going to be the ones to fight Immortal, I don't see any use for them.





You should do stand up.

I remember Jarrett talking about Kurt's ex-wife, Kurt being handcuffed and Jarrett beating the shit out of him. I assumed that Kurt would go after Jarrett especially during the Jeff/Joe segment where Jarrett did the same thing to Joe. Silly me.





I forgot that I don't like Anderson.



Joe has done so well with fighting people alone in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he joins Immortal. Joe's known for being a turncoat.



So this whole retirement angle is nullified because Angle didn't get pinned? TNA is so vague with storylines and angles it is tough to figure out.

What's going to be next? RVD vs. EV 2.0. If I know TNA, it will happen.

So dude your whole dislike for last nights show is based on what TNA might do ? Really? Are you serious? Here's an Idea why don't you wait and see how all these issues you have play out? How about that? Because you obviously don't a crystal ball with you,so don't assume anything just let it play itself out.And judge shows on their own merit! Not what you think is going to happen!

Or what is happening to a non drawing Tna original!

 

[Kcirdor]

I think my biggest issue with all the stuff TNA is doing is how they are handling Fourtune. Bischoff makes a point on Reaction to say that there is no way that he and Hogan's takeover would have worked without having Fourtune on their side. Yet, nobody in Fourtune seems to be able to win a match on their own. With NEXUS in WWE that is understandable as they are all "rookies", but Fourtune is supposed to be the cream of the crop in TNA. Former World Champ, Tag Champs, X-Division Champ (I think Kazarian held it at one point) and they need to gang up to get the win? I understand showing strength and beating people down but that should be after the match and behind the scenes. It is one thing for the heels to cheat to win (that is why you love to hate them), but I don't remember the Four Horsemen interferring with every match any of their members were in.

Also, they need to have Hardy cut some live promo's. As far as I can tell his stuff on the monitor is all taped (at least that seems to be the assumption) and we know the stuff on Reaction is taped as well. Yes, I understand that Impact! is taped but you know what I mean, live in front of the audience is what is needed.

Really? It is a HEEL faction. It is still early. Interfere. Build heat. Make the Faces look stronger. Beat them down. Build Heat...

As for Hardy. Dude why does he need to be in front of the audience when we all know his live mic work is his weakness. I think he is doing fine as a heel right now. Infact I never liked the guy until now. Let him hide in the back.. That is the point. He is building heat by hiding where they can't get to him, and he is attacking them when their backs are turned.

He could come out with Immortal surounding him, but that would just put him in Flair's or Hogan's shadow. Just enjoy the show. You don't have to write for the company.. All you have to do is watch, and be entertained.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

10-22-2010..... booooo
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_44716.shtml

Aaaaaaaaaaand that's why I said what I said last week. Don't pop a boner cuz of a 1.4 rating cuz this might happen. What can I say, I liked the show but TNA paid a dear price for all the yakkin'. Last week's last hour of iMPACT drew like 1.2 so that's where this came from. TNA chopped off the 0.2 with the talkin'. (Sigh...)

Random douche saying that TNA will be out of business by the end of the year in 3...2...

 

[SpecialFNK]

Immortal - JJ, Hardy, Abyss, AJ, Matt Morgan, Doug Williams, Kazarian, Roode, Storm ( hope I didn't miss anybody ). 9 guys.
Faces - Shelley, Sabin, Kendrick, Pope, Joe, Lethal, Shannon Moore, Jesse Neal, Angle, RVD, Anderson 11 guys.

I don't consider Fortune as members of Immortal, it's Fortune AND Immortal. they talked that way last night on ReAction.
as for face guys. Shelley and Sabin are a tag team. maybe they go against Beer Money, but I don't see them as being factors against Immortal. MCMG are a good tag team and maybe it's just me but I don't see them as main event material. same thing goes for Moore/Neal. I've been wondering if Moore would in some way get involved because Hardy was his friend, but even if they have words Shannon Moore just isn't on that level to be involved with Immortal.

I thought Impact was good. not great like the previous week, but still good. you had more wrestling. now it wasn't a lot more and the matches could have been done better, but you had more wrestling. TNA doesn't need to have A LOT of wrestling right now.

the RobbieE/Amazing Red match could have gone on longer. there seem to be a lot of Red fans. some on twitter seemed upset that he lost, but you knew that was going to happen in order to push the Shore. be happy you even saw Red on Impact period.

the part with Kendrick and Foley. what? that was useless.

I understand Pope being mad at Fortune and wanting to call out AJ. would have been done better in the ring rather than a strip club. it's a shame AJ had to get help to beat Pope.

I'm sure fans would have rather seen MCMG in a match, but at least you got to see them backstage fighting with Generation Me. I liked seeing them with Velvet, but I always enjoy seeing Velvet.
I think 3D deserves to get a shot at MCMG. they are one of the best tag teams in the history of wrestling. the crowd loves them. I would prefer if 3D stayed around as a tag team to continue being a great tag team.

I'm not a fan of Jarrett. he had his beat down of Angle last week, but you had to expect he was also going to beat down Joe. you know joe would be pissed because Jarrett walked out on him at the PPV. you should have also known that it would not be Joe beating on Jarrett at this point.

the KO match I guess was nice for those who actually want wrestling from the KO. I liked Tara attacking Mickie after the match. set them up nicely.

even with a bad shoulder Anderson did pretty damn well against Kazarian, even almost winning. you had to know Anderson wasn't going to win and that Fortune would get involved somehow.

you saw a lot of dominance from Immortal, as you should right now. your going to continue seeing dominance from Immortal. fans are going to hate them. it's going to mean more when faces eventually do win.

I think there should have been more wrestling, just to keep those who enjoy wrestling happy and make them want to keep watching going forward.

 

[Kenny Powers]

This week's edition of TNA iMPACT! was back down to its normal number as the show did a 1.16 (1.2) cable rating, with 1,509,000 viewers. That is down from last week's well above normal 1.4 cable rating.

-- This week's edition of TNA ReAction did a 0.68 (0.7) cable rating, with 806,000 viewers.

I'm not really surprised since this was the show after the huge they angle. The numbers haven't dropped that much, but this angle isn't as hot as I thought it would be.

I wasn't a fan of last night's show even though it had more wrestling. Mickie James vs. Sarita was probably the match of the night, which is sad. The only bad thing I see about this angle is that its more about the Immortal group than it is about the other TNA wrestlers. More focus seems to be put on Reaction then it is on Impact.

 

[goodlay]

Last night's show was really lackluster and just mediocre overall. There was more wrestling than last week, but that even still isn't saying much. The wrestling we did get wasn't very good to begin with anyways.

Why is Shore getting pushed so hard? The crowd couldn't care less. All of their promo work is just bombarded by "boring" chants. Good to see one of the best X Division wrestlers got squashed by Robbie E. Not.

I'm fine with the idea of a Street Fight between AJ/Pope, but when you hardly even fight outside the ring/involve weapons and the match hardly lasts 5 minutes, it's hard to give much credit here.

I liked JJ's promo. JJ/Angle is probably the best thing going on in TNA right now. But did Kurt really have to return after one week? Couldn't we at least wait until or after Turning Point? That way you could have JJ come out and brag about how Kurt is gone from TNA and build up more heat.

With everyone and their mother turning heel as of late, RVD is mega paranoid. Also, what happened to EV2? Do they just sit back in the locker room and sulk now that Immortal is running TNA? Another short match with another dusty finish with Sabu inadvertently hitting RVD with a chair.

In what was probably the highlight of the night, Mickie James beat Sarita. This was a solid outing, and it's really nice to see other KO's other than the BP. Not to mention, we got Katie Lea debuting as "Winter". I like the focus on revamping the KO division, hopefully we see the same with the X division.

I couldn't have cared less about Anderson/Kaz. It was just so damn obvious what was going to happen. I do like how Anderson is getting pushed really hard though. Fortune of course interferes and Kaz wins.

See, this is the problem with these types of stables: It just becomes so damn predictable. We know we are going to see frequent run-ins and screwjobs, so it isn't a surprise or exciting whatsoever when we get these kinds of things. Also, getting a clean finish in a match other than a squash or KO match would be nice.

I guess I'm fine with Anderson getting the title shot, but wasn't RVD guaranteed the first shot? I guess all that went out the window when Immortal started running shit. I suppose they are saving RVD/Hardy for later. Anderson as the #1 contender works in the sense that he's beaten up/injured right now, so he's the prime choice for Hardy to defend his title against. But the stipulation in the Ultimate X match was just stupid. Anderson got the title shot because he survived. Why the fuck wouldn't he survive? Did they really expect Ken Anderson to just drop dead in the ring or something?

The big issue here lies in the fact that this whole Immortal angle just really isn't that exciting at all. It all feels like it's been done before, and I know it's going to last for months, which makes it worse. The ratings have already taken a hit, and rightfully so. We just aren't getting the quality of wrestling we come to expect from TNA, and when we do get wrestling, it ends with bullshit dusty finishes and predictable run-ins.

This week's episode was crucial because last week we hardly got any wrestling. TNA really needed a good show to keep the viewers hooked, and they failed. The drop in ratings is very indicative of where this company is going right now.

D- or F+. Either way it was really bad.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The show didn't drop by a staggering margin or anything, but I'm not surprised to see iMPACT! back within its generally normal range. Last week's show popped bigger numbers as people were interested in seeing the fall out for Bound For Glory and who "They" were. As with other major TNA angles & storylines, it fell back into the usual pattern. It gets strong hype and build up, viewership increases significantly for a short period of time as people tune in to see what all the hubbub is, then are either turned off by the hubbub or simply don't care about it and the numbers drop back down.

They might be able to turn it around but I'm not going to be holding my breath on it because, right now, it looks like a case of history repeating itself.

 

[SpecialFNK]

the ratings from this past Impact weren't at the level of the previous week, but the previous week was one of the highest rated Impact ever.
haven't the ratings in 2010 with Hogan/Bischoff/ect been higher than TNA has gotten in the past?

I'd like to see TNA do some things different just to keep people on the edge and not able to think things are too predictable. I remember back in the nWo there were a lot of surprising unexpected things, so hopefully Bischoff/ect can come up with more different things this time.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Not surprising at all the rating IMPACT received. What hook line was their to get you to watch this week from the previous week? None. IMAPACT was horrible, shitty segments with the Knockouts and Eckos and a Ultimate X which was horrible and predictable as FUCK. The best part of the show was the MICKIE JAMES match with Sarita. I wanked 3 times throughout that whole segment staring at Mickey.

TNA apologists unite and try and excuse this rating. Anybody who didn't predict this is a blind and overly hopeful TNA fan.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

the ratings from this past Impact weren't at the level of the previous week, but the previous week was one of the highest rated Impact ever.
haven't the ratings in 2010 with Hogan/Bischoff/ect been higher than TNA has gotten in the past?

As a rule, the answer to that question is no. There have only been 3 times in TNA history in which iMPACT! has drawn a 1.4 or more. I'll grant that all 3 of those times have taken place this year, but they've only been brief and momentary pops in the ratings rather than consistent success and growth. The yearly average for TNA iMPACT! in 2007, 2008 & 2009 were 1.04, 1.06 & 1.14 respectively. In 2010 thus far, the yearly average sits at 1.05. Prior to the Hogan-Bischoff Era, TNA showed at least some growth in those 3 years. The growth was modest I grant, but it was there. There have been several episodes of iMPACT! this year that drew well under a 1.0 in the ratings. Comparatively speaking overall, TNA ratings are lower overall in 2010 than they have been in the past 2 years. It's not a huge decline, but it isn't growth either.

 

[MB1025]

As a rule, the answer to that question is no. There have only been 3 times in TNA history in which iMPACT! has drawn a 1.4 or more. I'll grant that all 3 of those times have taken place this year, but they've only been brief and momentary pops in the ratings rather than consistent success and growth. The yearly average for TNA iMPACT! in 2007, 2008 & 2009 were 1.04, 1.06 & 1.14 respectively. In 2010 thus far, the yearly average sits at 1.05. Prior to the Hogan-Bischoff Era, TNA showed at least some growth in those 3 years. The growth was modest I grant, but it was there. There have been several episodes of iMPACT! this year that drew well under a 1.0 in the ratings. Comparatively speaking overall, TNA ratings are lower overall in 2010 than they have been in the past 2 years. It's not a huge decline, but it isn't growth either.

Of course this factors in the .50's they got when they moved to Mondays. I know you will say something along the lines of well they shouldn't have moved or it was still an episode of Impact, but they tried something new, failed, and moved back to Thursdays. If you average only Thursdays numbers then you will get a better idea of the numbers.

 

[johnbragg]

JackHammer said that the 1.4 from last week was an aberration, and pointed out that Impact's average rating in 2010 is a 1.05.

Of course this factors in the .50's they got when they moved to Mondays. I know you will say something along the lines of well they shouldn't have moved or it was still an episode of Impact, but they tried something new, failed, and moved back to Thursdays. If you average only Thursdays numbers then you will get a better idea of the numbers.

I pulled the numbers from Gerweck.net and put them into Excel, from May 13 (Impact returns to Thursdays) to this Thursday. The 2010 average, excluding the Monday Night Wars period (defined as January 4 to May 6) is a 1.08, less than the 2009 average of 1.14.

I actually just went back and did the average for the year excluding the March 11- May 6 period when Impact was on Mondays. Average? 1.126. Still less than the 2009 average.

If the measuring stick is ratings, the Hogan-Bischoff regime is not doing any better than the old regime. (Regimes? Jarrett was the numero uno until the Kurt and Jeff and Karen and Rhaka Khan soap opera hit the news.)

 

[MB1025]

JackHammer said that the 1.4 from last week was an aberration, and pointed out that Impact's average rating in 2010 is a 1.05.



I pulled the numbers from Gerweck.net and put them into Excel, from May 13 (Impact returns to Thursdays) to this Thursday. The 2010 average, excluding the Monday Night Wars period (defined as January 4 to May 6) is a 1.08, less than the 2009 average of 1.14.

I actually just went back and did the average for the year excluding the March 11- May 6 period when Impact was on Mondays. Average? 1.126. Still less than the 2009 average.

If the measuring stick is ratings, the Hogan-Bischoff regime is not doing any better than the old regime. (Regimes? Jarrett was the numero uno until the Kurt and Jeff and Karen and Rhaka Khan soap opera hit the news.)

Just because the ratings dropped .02 on Thursdays, which is very marginal, that doesn't mean they are not making money. Also the year isn't over yet so why are we comparing right now when that very little margin can be made up.

 

[johnbragg]

Just because the ratings dropped .02 on Thursdays, which is very marginal, that doesn't mean they are not making money. Also the year isn't over yet so why are we comparing right now when that very little margin can be made up.

How are they making any money?

Not on tickets to Impact tapings--still free to Universal Studios tourists.

Not on house shows in front of 400 people in Saginaw, Michigan. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that 400 tickets plus merchandise sold is going to cover building rental and travel expenses).

Not on PPVs, or they wouldn't be shutting down monthly PPV after Final Resolution. (Don't believe me? Find a scheduled date for Genesis.)

On Hogan and Jeff HArdy merchandise? Maybe. But according to their Top Seller lists on the website, the No. 1 seller is usually Don West's Brown Bag Special.

On the money Spike pays for Impact? As far as is public knowledge, Spike is paying the same money this year as last year for Impact.

On the money Spike pays for Reaction? Maybe. This is a new revenue stream, and is getting good-for-Spike ratings. I don't know what it costs to make, or what Spike pays for it.

But nearly one year into the Great Hogan Experiment/TNA Apocalypse, it's hard to make a case that things are going well based on any available numbers. "Comparable to last year" isn't the standard given the increased budget to pay Hogan, Bischoff, Flair, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and RVD. Cutting Sting and Nash will balance some of that. How much? No one outside TNA knows.

 

[Dizzy]

How are they making any money?

Not on tickets to Impact tapings--still free to Universal Studios tourists.

Not on house shows in front of 400 people in Saginaw, Michigan. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that 400 tickets plus merchandise sold is going to cover building rental and travel expenses).

Not on PPVs, or they wouldn't be shutting down monthly PPV after Final Resolution. (Don't believe me? Find a scheduled date for Genesis.)

On Hogan and Jeff HArdy merchandise? Maybe. But according to their Top Seller lists on the website, the No. 1 seller is usually Don West's Brown Bag Special.

On the money Spike pays for Impact? As far as is public knowledge, Spike is paying the same money this year as last year for Impact.

On the money Spike pays for Reaction? Maybe. This is a new revenue stream, and is getting good-for-Spike ratings. I don't know what it costs to make, or what Spike pays for it.

But nearly one year into the Great Hogan Experiment/TNA Apocalypse, it's hard to make a case that things are going well based on any available numbers. "Comparable to last year" isn't the standard given the increased budget to pay Hogan, Bischoff, Flair, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and RVD. Cutting Sting and Nash will balance some of that. How much? No one outside TNA knows.

From 2007 they made 15 million in revenue. Last year they were at 80 million. This is all with 1.2 million viewers the last 3 years.

-They draw about 850 in small areas that WWE does not go too which is about the maximum in those facilities.

-Bigger cities they draw about 2,000 or more which is way more than they did the last two years.

-They gain merchandise sales from UK, Canada, India, etc. TNA is seen in 130 countries.

-Jeff Hardy, RVD, Anderson, Hogan are their top merchandise sellers. There is no maybe in that.

- PPV buyrates they obviously make money in. There is no real legit number in buys leaked or anything.

-They offer VIP packs to people who attend PPV events which costs about 100 bucks. So, they found a way to gain money out of the Impact Zone.

-They always sellout during the UK tour which should generate over 20,000 depending on the locations and attendance.

 

[MrHashasheen]

-Jeff Hardy, RVD, Anderson, Hogan are their top merchandise sellers. There is no maybe in that.

.... I'm pretty sure there is a maybe in that, as he just stated on the website itself, Don West has the top-selling item.

@johnbragg: they don't pay travel expenses for their wrestlers. The Knockouts in particular are heavily under-payed and many of them are forced to wrestle through injuries because they can't pay the bills, or have TNA front them but then take out a part of their check every week until its paid back.

 

[johnbragg]

From 2007 they made 15 million in revenue. Last year they were at 80 million. This is all with 1.2 million viewers the last 3 years.

Because wrestling promoters never lie, I mean, work the media to look good.

-They draw about 850 in small areas that WWE does not go too which is about the maximum in those facilities.

They rarely get near the maximum in a building, anywhere. When they do, as in New York's Keyspan PArk in July and the Manhattan Center in September, it's noteworthy. More often is a half-empty building, like say the Ocean Center for Bound for Glory.

-Bigger cities they draw about 2,000 or more which is way more than they did the last two years.

You have any links to house show reports talking about 2000 or more in attendance? Besides Keyspan Park, Brooklyn NY, July 2010?

-They gain merchandise sales from UK, Canada, India, etc. TNA is seen in 130 countries

Number that we have no access to, except through the window of the TNA website, which usually has Don West's Bag of Leftover DVDs and Tshirts as their biggest seller.

- PPV buyrates they obviously make money in. There is no real legit number in buys leaked or anything.

How do you know? And if they don't have one in January, will you admit that you were wrong about this? This is not a company that keeps quiet about successes. If PPV buyrates were good, @TNADixie would be telling us about it.

-They always sellout during the UK tour which should generate over 20,000 depending on the locations and attendance.

Didn't they sell out the 2009 UK shows, too? Were they in bigger venues or more cities in 2010?

 

[harrythem]

From 2007 they made 15 million in revenue. Last year they were at 80 million. This is all with 1.2 million viewers the last 3 years.

And where are the facts to back up these numbers? If anything TNA seems to have, especially since Hogan & co came in, been cutting costs. A smart thing to do, but I can't see anywhere that says they've made a profit.

They draw about 850 in small areas that WWE does not go too which is about the maximum in those facilities.

But with the roster and the fan-base they have, why go to such small, dingy, second rate places? They're better then that and so is their talent. It's not like cities suffer from TNA over-exposure!

-Bigger cities they draw about 2,000 or more which is way more than they did the last two years.

In a lot of places they can draw up to 6,000 fans. Yet at others, in similar sized cities, they don't announce attendance at all. There's no consistency with the numbers.

-They gain merchandise sales from UK, Canada, India, etc. TNA is seen in 130 countries.-Jeff Hardy, RVD, Anderson, Hogan are their top merchandise sellers. There is no maybe in that.

This is the area I can see TNA making any profit from. They have some top names that have some top items for sale, although I must admit, in the UK, we seem to get the outdated shit, but that's another moan for another time.

- PPV buyrates they obviously make money in. There is no real legit number in buys leaked or anything.

But you're stating their revenue for the last two years without any concrete facts to back it up? You can't pick and choose which areas you go with. I still go with the notion that TNA doesn't do well on the PPV buy front as, let's face it, Dixie likes to shout from the roofs about anything that TNA achieves and, if the PPV's were doing that well, she'd have let people know the numbers.

-They offer VIP packs to people who attend PPV events which costs about 100 bucks. So, they found a way to gain money out of the Impact Zone.

If that's true then that's a genius idea by them and I applaud it.

-They always sellout during the UK tour which should generate over 20,000 depending on the locations and attendance.

That's actually false. I was at the Wembley Arena show in 2009 and it was a sell-out. I went to the show there this year and there was a rather large number of empty seats. I can only put that down to people not being impressed with the product on TV as the show itself, like the year before, was absolutely brilliant. So, yeah, not even remotely true that they sell-out their UK tour, although they always run out of the VIP packages (the gits)

 

[Dizzy]

.... I'm pretty sure there is a maybe in that, as he just stated on the website itself, Don West has the top-selling item.

I'm pretty sure you do realize the website is not going to tell you who draws right? I'm talking wrestlers who sell merchandise not just a t-shirt or a DVD.

@johnbragg: they don't pay travel expenses for their wrestlers. The Knockouts in particular are heavily under-payed and many of them are forced to wrestle through injuries because they can't pay the bills, or have TNA front them but then take out a part of their check every week until its paid back.

What the fuck are you talking about?

And where are the facts to back up these numbers? If anything TNA seems to have, especially since Hogan & co came in, been cutting costs. A smart thing to do, but I can't see anywhere that says they've made a profit.




But with the roster and the fan-base they have, why go to such small, dingy, second rate places? They're better then that and so is their talent. It's not like cities suffer from TNA over-exposure!




In a lot of places they can draw up to 6,000 fans. Yet at others, in similar sized cities, they don't announce attendance at all. There's no consistency with the numbers.



This is the area I can see TNA making any profit from. They have some top names that have some top items for sale, although I must admit, in the UK, we seem to get the outdated shit, but that's another moan for another time.



But you're stating their revenue for the last two years without any concrete facts to back it up? You can't pick and choose which areas you go with. I still go with the notion that TNA doesn't do well on the PPV buy front as, let's face it, Dixie likes to shout from the roofs about anything that TNA achieves and, if the PPV's were doing that well, she'd have let people know the numbers.

She said it herself. She sated the number last year during her state of TNA address to fans. Now, all of a sudden she's lying lol.

Go google it yourself, people. It was posted here as well.

In a lot of places they can draw up to 6,000 fans. Yet at others, in similar sized cities, they don't announce attendance at all. There's no consistency with the numbers.

TNA does not announce attendance numbers. Dirtsheets sites do that, blame them for no consistency.