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I thought it was funny how Cena was pretty calm the whole time his Dad got beat up. I would've at least flipped out and tripped to get the cuffs off throughout the match to at least make it look believable. Cena is a bad actor...
 
he did Try to get loose you must not have ben watching the match.....when they cme back from commercial break he was practically swinging on the damn rope trying to get loose.. yes i agree that someone could have gotten him loose but you have to think Johnathon Coachman is not going to let that happen he wants to see cena suffer....But He did KINDA get loose and randy orton ran out of the ring like a scared little girl..ANd i loved it when cody rodes came out to try and help..SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Really bad to watch? There really hasn't been too much that is entertaining on the show. They did a ton of build up over the past few monthes for the vince's son angle and they turned it into a joke. The skits aren't funny, the whole thing is just unentertaining. The Triple H messing with Vince promos are getting stale, and have been going on forever.

I am a huge Cena fan and think he has done an awesome job as champ, but it is really time to do something new with him. People harp on Cena for not being able to wrestle, but hey Orton is not much better.

What honestly is the point of a tag team division in the WWE? They had one tag team that was truly over and they broke them up (the hardyz) and they had a team that was starting to get a reaction and they fired them (cryme tyme).

It is just getting lame to watch, I am a die hard wrestling fan and just want it to turn around.
 
Shelton should have won, Triple H should get off T.V. forever, so should Orton, and Cena should drop the title to Carlito to start up a nice long feud between them again.
 
Is it even possible to compare cena and orton's wrestling skills? Cena proved last night he only has 4 moves. Orton actually has talent and doesnt look like a robot when he's doing his moves.
 
Why did HHH bury the Tag-Team division? Was it because the match between London and Kendrick was better than HHH vs Carlito, and HHH's ego couldn't handle it?
 
Why did HHH bury the Tag-Team division? Was it because the match between London and Kendrick was better than HHH vs Carlito, and HHH's ego couldn't handle it?

I was wondering that too because when I saw it I thought it meant a Triple H heel turn but instead he just pedigreed London and Kendrick for no reason. pointless
 
This was a horrible episode of raw. The IC match was the only good thing. I dont see how a wrestling fan could have enjoyed any of the hornswoggle, mcmahon, or HHH. The Vince Son angle is horrible and the whole show Jim Ross was putting over Cade and Murdoch as "the best team in the wwe" only to be beat by 1 man.
What does that say about everyone in the division when the best team can't beat one guy?
HHH never makes it look like Carlito has a chance, beats the best team by himself, and destroys "the monster" Umaga. He and Cena have become superman and RAW is worst than ever.
For the WWE wrestling is dead but entertainment will live on forever.
 
Thought the episodes continue to be pretty poor besides the IC match.. Finally some time for Shelton B but the face once again fights back and wins in two moves. Getting a little stale.

Where has all the wrestling gone for raw?? Liek wwenba said- it's "entertainment" now.. Quoted becase it's not entertaining a lot of us but leaving us disappointed

Bright spot on raw: The crowd as Raw closed out- http://youtube.com/watch?v=SRRJC_xJ1gc
 
I agree with most, good I.C match, but I never believed Shelton would actually win. Still, those two are who the title should be focused around, with umaga, carlito and soon cody rhodes involved as well. The hornswoggle thing was ridiculous, I still don't understand why they did it this way. If this is the end of the storyline, it's ridiculous, but if it's buying time until kennedy comes back, it's still stupid. I'd have prefered them to announce it at No Mercy and kept us guessing until then. He wouldn't have been on TV for a while so it would've thrown everyone off a bit. As for Cena and Orton, last night wasn't the worst, it was the same scenario that's happened before, not great, but tolerable. Cena wrestles the way a lot main event guys wrestle, with punches and spot moves. Austin, Rock, Goldberg, Hogan all did the same. Now and then you'll get a HBK or a Bret Hart with a lot of technical skill, but it's never that often. If they put HHH and Kennedy in the main event for the title, and had cena and orton as a grudge match, lower down the card, i'd be perfectly content with this.
 
As much as I like HHH, I really don't want to see him as champion again just yet-yes he is great and he is a great performer, but it just seems like everytime someone new gets the title (as I'm sure Randy will) HHH usually gets the first shot-it's kind of predictable-although I know it's probably not going to happen, let's see Jeff Hardy in a main event-I really think something between him and Randy would be a good storyline, although I'm not exactly sure how it would start or develop. But since that probably won't happen, why not have Michaels go for a run at the title? I don't think he gets enough shots as of lately (granted he's been out on injury for a while and the DX thing was going on) so it would be nice to see him in a main event.

As far as Kennedy in a maint event, I just don't see it yet-I like the guy I really do, but I think one of the main reasons I like him is because he has good mic skills, but his in ring moves, aren't the greatest. I find myself more excited when he is on the mic and not giving 100% to watching his match.
 
As far as I remember though, it's been about 2 years since HHH was in the title picture, and as he's been winning so much, it's unrealistic to keep him away from it any longer. I think most peoples feelings on kennedy are the same, he has a lot of fans, but isn't quite at the top yet. It's for this reason that I think wrestlemania may involve cena, HHH and kennedy in the main event, with orton vs michaels elsewhere on the card. I wouldn't rule out jeff as a world champ, but not on Raw. On smackdown potentially, yes. The champion on raw is essentially the main draw to the company, and I can't see jeff doing that. At a later date I think Jeff will head to smackdown or ECW and be a star there though.
 
NOTE: No spoilers were read and never will be.

Although it is still early, I want to make my review now, 30 minutes into the show.

They had a show. Just like in movies or TV series', if you don't capture my attention within 15 minutes then you don't have it. Period!

On a lighter side of things, I will admit that I have been somewhat distracted, as today, September 21st, 2007 is my 6th Anniversary of being married to the same wonderful lady. And I am pleased and amused that Teddy Long's and Crystal wedding is happening on the same day, regardless of how it is played out on screen.

Thank you and good-night.

LOL, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, ,lol, lol, ,lol, OMFG!!!

NEVER does a wedding come off without a hitch in wrestling. This probably wouldn't have been as funny if it didn't happen to be my actual anniversary. As if the Godfather wasn't enough, Teddy with a heart attack was great. It just goes to prove what I said when I got married...we should have gotten a fishing license instead. It's only good for one year and if you don't like like you caught you can through it back.

But, let me be serious. This was billed as the season premier? Why? What did they show me in quality of maches to make me want to watch for the remainder of the season? Absolutely NOTHING!

I did see a potential return to the ring of JBL in what would probably be a one off match. Other than that...NOTHING! PLEASE, WWE, come up with something fast before I lose total faith.
 
Great Episode...Had some quality wrestling with the Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Noble match and the MVP/MATT HARDY tag match (best storyline in ALL OF WRESTLING)...all storylines were advanced smoothly enough...the Ying Yang twins didnt do a bad job, kept things rolling. Jagged Edge did their job and sang their butts off..great job by them. The crowd was SO LIVE, that definetly helped...McMahon didnt take over the show..so thats ALWAYS a plus.

The Wedding...even though it stopped several times, was, hil-freakin-arious!!
The Return of the YEAR! Godfatha! The male superstars going backstage with him was great.

The FINALE of it all, was pretty overly dramatic, but what would you expect. Im sure some people will also have a problem with the storyline of a heart attack, with all the WWE deaths, and thats warranted i suppose. But it didnt bother me much.

This season premiere..which..im sure surprised many, cause i didnt even know it was the season premiere, was better than the past, what? 10 ppvs?
 
didn't get to catch most of SD tonight, but did see part of the wedding where the Godfather led most of the guys out, then saw Hornswoggle practically climb in Kristal's dress, followed closely by Coach. At that point, I was laughing my rear off.

Then for Teddy to have a "heart attack" right as he was supposed to say I do was the icing on the cake. Tell you what though, Kristal sure can scream like a banshee can't she? :eek:
 
didn't get to catch most of SD tonight, but did see part of the wedding where the Godfather led most of the guys out, then saw Hornswoggle practically climb in Kristal's dress, followed closely by Coach. At that point, I was laughing my rear off.

I liked that part but my favorite part was Hornswaggle giving the coach noogies and when Elijah Burke was dancing to th Godfathers music. that was a really good segment on a decent smackdown would have preffered to see Mysterio and Finlay wrestle but we got good matches out of Jimmy wang Yang and Jamie Noble along with MVP and Matt Hardy overall a solid smackdown defenitely looking forward to next week
 
I thought this smackdown was solid. Wang Yang and Noble had a solid performance from two of the best cw on SD. Also seeing Moore play mind games with Noble was kind of funny with the green hat sitting down in the stands or what ever. The MVP and Hardy feud has been interesting and i like how it is being built up. IMO its great. that was a pretty solid tag match between the two teams. Having Hornswoggle give coach a noogie or what ever it is was funny. Also the chasing around the ring leading ot vince and the Coach chasing after him was pretty funny. I also liked how he arrived and stuck a phone book under him so he could see. That was alright. The return of the Godfather was actually funny because he dragged like all the people with him to the back and seeing the superstars dance to the music was funny, like Burke, and Hardy.

Now the bad seeing Batista in the ring with Henry was pretty terrible and then the attack by Khali made it even worse. I was upset that Rey didnt wrestle Finlay but things move on. I was kind of shocked about the heart attack thing. I knew there was going to be a hitch but a heart attack, it showed how bad an actor Kristal was because she was a little to over dramatic.:whatthe:

Overall it was a pretty solid smackdown but wasnt to bright of a season premiere. But cnat complain to much i do look forward into seeing how they play into the Long heart attack angle. Seeing the godfather come was cool :worship: but yes i do look forward into tuning into Smackdown to see where they go with some of the angle, especially the JBL one with Rey and Finlay.
 
The only reason I tuned into SmackDown! was for the wedding, because I heard Krystal was going to trip while walking up the stairs......god how I laughed my ass off.

And what was up with that idiot from the Ying Yang Twins? HAAAAAA!! Swear to god, you think he was trying to create a new "What?" phenominon.
 
Um....the guy from the Ying Yang twins who did the HAAAAA thing, has been doing that pretty much their whole careers..its nothing new..especially to that ATL crowd..which is where they're from.

My girl Kristal was great...she can drama cry her ass off. And i love how she kept going from sad to angry at all the interuptions
 
I don't really care what anyone says, the entire Hornswoggle and the bastard son angle is entertaining. Just because they're pushing someone considered to be "under-sized" doesn't mean he's that bad of a choice, even though I would like to see a more serious angle with Mr. Kennedy seeing he is my favorite wrestler. Back in the day when comedy angles were more accepted back in the late 90's and why not in 2007? Look at skits like Triple H and Vince McMahon from this Monday night that were pissing hilarious.

I admit, I was highly disappointed with Hornswoggle being named the bastard son, but I'd be a liar to claim that it's not giving me some good laughs.
 
Honestly to sum everything up this RAW pretty much was terrible. There were no good matches. The Hornswoggle segments werent even funny this week. I was happy to see Holly back because i thought he was done. His arm was pretty taped but he didnt look that rusty. I wish the Tag match with the Rednecks and Londrick was going to be better but i was disappointed. The highlanders? Come on, atleast londrick gets a reaction. the cena and orton angle was boring and everyone knew he wasnt going to drop the title, THANK GOD. But all in all this was one of the worst raws in a long time, i cant wait for the suspended stars to return because the WWE needs a vast improvement to keep the fan base around.

The best thing was basically seeing Simmons in action and a returning Holly. Everything else was terrible.
 
Honestly to sum everything up this RAW pretty much was terrible. There was no good matches.
I disagree whole-heartedly.

This episode of Raw was very solid. I missed the first twenty minutes. But, Hardy/Candice vs. Beth/Shelton was a very fun tag-team match, and Holly vs. Rhodes was a good solid match. The Triple H match was decent, if dumb. The ending segment with Cena/Coach/Hornswoggle was very well done, and the Randy Orton promo tonight was the best one I've ever seen him do.

Tonight's Raw was very solid.
 
Monday Night Raw: Sept. 24th, 2007 Review:

Opening Segment: Mr. McMahon giving Coach the power to strip John Cena of the Championship was what Raw was centered around, the whole night. All in all, that made the over-all feeling a bust, as there was a 97% chance that it'd never happen. Randy Orton's "suspension" got people seriously questioning whether or not Orton may of been on that list & finally got his suspension, but later was revealed it was only for a night - it was also revealed that, personally, it was due to him getting married. Nice plug for the returning suspended Superstars next week. And finally, the Hornswoggle/son storyline.. I have NO clue where this was going, but overall apparently it got Melina some air time (which was over due) & an apparent Women's Championship match?

Matches: The RETURN of Hardcore Holly made me extremely happy. I never, ever thought I'd be happy to see a mid-carder return, but I have tremendous respect for this man, & with all he's went through, I'm happy to see him back. Apparently Cody Rhodes has been taken under his wing, as I see more of these two in the future.

London/Kendrick v. Cade/Murdoch: Its one thing to cut their in-ring time short, its a complete other to not even give either team an entrance. This match was basically a set-up to turn the High-Landers, heel? Or at best, tweeners. And for what.. a Highlander/Londrick match-up next week with the winners facing the Rednecks. I clearly see an Unforgiven rematch at No Mercy, as the Highlanders are most likely a few steps away from being the next names on the "released" list.

Steel Cage: Triple H. v. Carlito/Mr. McMahon: What could've been a half-way decent steel cage match, was turned into what looked like a botched finish. I'm not even sure if Mr. McMahon was suppose to win, as it looked like he slipped down the cage, caught himself, then realized there would be no real way to explain why Triple H. could've came up & over to catch him, so he looks up, laughs & drops to victory. Again, Carlito/HHH could've been golden, but it never had the ability to be, with McMahon in as the 3rd wheel.

Santino Marella v. Ron Simmons: Another great return, took long enough for it to happen. (I actually caught a squash match on wwe.com/heat this last weekend where Simmons destroyed a no-name) My only question here is simply put.. why is Santino not yet gone? I do love his promos, I do.. but wrestling wise, if he has talent, they sure aren't allowing him to show it. And I understand Maria's character is that of a ditz, but how much longer is she going to continue coming out with Santino? All this is doing is actually hurting her. I literally had a moment of thought, where I could've seen Maria turning heel & helping Santino, but if that EVER happens.. it'd only kill Maria's character completely off.. as a heel turn to "manage" a loser is NOT a good way to go, staying in the back doing interviews gets her bigger pops.

Main Event: Jeff Hardy/Candice Michelle v. Shelton Benjamin/Beth Pheonix: So the hometown girl received a slightly silent pop. The only thing the crowd seems to have truly popped for, was her being announced from there.. not actually for her though. I'm not a fan of how Candice looks, but I've tried to be a fan of her wrestling skills coming along quite nicely, however.. I can no longer fight the fact that the crowds just aren't getting into her matches.. & she's not doing anything to change that. Jeff Hardy/Shelton Benjamin deserve the main event spot, but not in this way. This match was quickly done to make way for a crap ending to an overall middle rated show. Beth gets the win over the Women's Champion, setting up a nice return (most likely) at the p.p.v.

Segments: I'm curious to see how Coach & William Regal will act once he returns next Monday. I'm almost wondering if they're setting up a Regal exit from W.W.E., but I can't see it. Melina was littered throughout this entire show & I can't complain about that. The shower scene deserves a nice pervert pop, & I'll agree with MadMetal in saying I was highly disappointed when Hornswoggle did turn out to be the bastard son (for now) but it does make me laugh, which I'm sure I felt it would all along.

Triple H./Mr. McMahon next Monday is definately a sleeper match in knowing it'll be where Triple H. gets destroyed.. haha no, not by McMahon either. Of course, by the returning Umaga.

Matrix type promo toward the end of Raw, did anyone else see it? Clearly a couple did, as it's already a thread of its own. SO, is this the new look return of Y2J, Chris Jericho? I highly think it is.. & I for one, am thrilled.. hopefully it won't be a let-down.

Raw Ending: So, the entire build-up was surrounded by John Cena being "stripped" of the Championship. And to be honest, I was pissed at the beginning of the show when they even announced it being a "big issue." In my personal opinion, they told Cena if he touched them, he WOULD be stripped.. he touched them, yet he remains Champion.. not because of Hornswoggle, either.. because W.W.E. doesn't ever have plans on stripping their golden boy like that.

Fact is, this was probably the BEST way to get the Championship off him, & still make him seem unbeatable. It'd be a Goldberg/WCW, RVD/ECW way of screwing him over, & it'd work.. but W.W.E. has never been one for great ideas, especially lately. Sadly, if they would've stripped him.. they could've set up a one night tournament at No Mercy, or Cyber Sunday & it'd draw huge interest. AND, it'd continue to keep John Cena IN the Championship picture, but without the Championship, for once.

All in all.. it was pre-predictable to see Hornswoggle be the reason Cena kept his Championship. (Well, when they announced "Mr. McMahon" said he could keep it -- as the 'real' Mr. McMahon never would've done that) To be honest, the finish I seen happening was Cena locking in the S.T.F.U. & forcing Coach to tell the crowd he'll allow Cena to keep his Championship.. but either way, the Golden Boy is still Champion.. & in all honesty, noone expected him not to be.

Overall Thoughts: Nicely put together, matches were solid for a change.. even with the lack of depth currently on their roster. Hardcore Holly's return got the best pop of the night, from me. Ron Simmons was probably 3rd, only to the Melina segments. (yeah, pervert - I'm male) Hated the drag along for no reason on the Cena Championship strip.. just do it already, otherwise, quit teasing us. I'd give this Raw a 5/10 rating, simply because of the matches..
 
Beginning Segment: Your standard Coach promo, good explanation for Randy being out of action at the moment (honeymoons aren't they sweet). I'm enjoying the Hornswoggle McMahon angle, and hey anytime it gets my girl Melina on TV, I'm happy!! I thought Melina and Hornswoggle were hilarious together.

Hardcore Holly vs Cody Rhodes- Whoooooooo great to see Hardcore Holly back!! I missed him, and it's great to see he battled through all of his problems. I am looking forward to their feud together. Cody could definitely benefit from it more than a feud with Divari (probably spelled that wrong).

Triple H vs Carlito/McMahon- Oy the most boring steel cage match I've seen so far. I tuned out half way through, and by the time Triple H got to pedigreeing Carlito, I was checking out which DS girl got eliminated. Okay I'm being a little bit harsh, it wasn't all that bad of a match, I just think it didn't live up to its potential.

Londrick vs Cade and Murdoch- I was really looking forward to seeing the L/K vs C/M feud go a bit further, but now it looks like they're adding Highlanders to the mix. Finally, they've been rotting on Heat since forever. The ending of the match was pretty cool, I will never get tired of seeing Sliced Bread (or whatever the name of the move is).

Santino Marella vs Ron Simmons- Great to see Ron back in action! Santino might not be showing all of his wrestling talent at the moment, but he did just come off a shoulder injury. I enjoy watching Santino (and booing him), and the match was fun to see.

Jeff Hardy & Candice Michelle vs Shelton Benjamin vs Beth Phoenix- Of course I completely loved this match. Candice did a nice hurrucunrana, and Beth just picking up Candice and slamming her down onto her knee looked sick, as did her suplex at the end. I'm loving how they're pushing this feud. I don't understand how people are saying that the crowd was dead for this? Huh? Clean out your ears people!! Candice got a great reaction from the crowd, and was everyone else looking away when the whole crowd got up to see her do poetry in motion? It seems like people are just trying to find a way to insult Candice. She's always trying to pump up the crowd, imo, in the match, before the match, etc. And when did crowd reaction to a divas match matter so much to people? Sure it's great to see it, but not a given.

Ending Segment/Match: All I can say is thank the good lord they didn't strip Cena of the title!! We did not need that at the moment, especially with this whole Orton/Cena feud going on. Nice little segment, and always love seeing Coach through a table. The little "Hornswoggle" moment at the end made me laugh.

Overall Rating- 7.5/10. Decent show, and they mangaged to build up many different feuds, even with one participant (Orton) not there.

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anyone else notice how cean got hurt? he liek did somthing to his shuolder and it explains the sloppy ending to the match, him and kennedy were talking alot and then the sudden ending. Not to mention wen randy came out, he was gonig to throw cena into the steps until cena said somthing and orton ended up just hitting cena with the steps in the head instead. Dunno how serious the injury is
 

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